LMAO

Hilarious to see the infantile & lame personal attacks when you can't challenge the facts kiddies.

Get back to your game consoles.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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LMAO

Hilarious to see the infantile & lame personal attacks when you can't challenge the facts kiddies.

Get back to your game consoles.

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Face it HDDVD is dying. Why do you think the players are so cheap? Er, because nobody wants them (cost and demand). I mean come on if blu ray players were a little cheaper the sales would be double that of what they are now and they wouldn't be able to keep the players on the shelves. Not to mention Blockbuster going Blu Rray exclusive that alone is going to kill HDDVD and now target is leaning toward blu ray. Come on Hugh wake up, you sound like a broken record.

Originally posted by saltynuts:

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good old standard DVD for me,way cheaper bigger selection.can find them used dirt cheap anywhere.

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I'm with this guy. All you need is an upconvert dvd player and you are set. Hit up the 5$ bin at wally world or some used Dvds.

I'll wait 2 years when this so called 'war' is over, I dont want to bend over this early.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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Face it HDDVD is dying.

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- Hilarious.
You should be on the stage.

That's some weird idea of "dying" you have there.

They have the most movie content, the highest - and btw rapidly growing - stand-alone sales and a proper complete & final spec.

.....and compared to what?
A format almost wholly reliant on a kiddies game console?
A format not even at the final stage of it's spec (even 'profile 1.1' - if it ever arrives as hardware and software - isn't the supposed finish)?
A format with less available, exclusive & potential content?
A format with an entry-level price-point equal to the high end of HD DVD?
Some "dying" that is. lol

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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Why do you think the players are so cheap?

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- Firstly because the technology is so much closer to the existing SD DVD tech & did not requite the multi-billions $ Blu-ray has needed in new plant + R&D.

Secondly now that Blu-ray has failed to knock HD DVD out of the game HD DVD is enjoying SoC developments which cut prices rapidly along with multi-million production which ensure economies of scale reduce prices further and further.

The next big drop will be when the Chinese CH-DVD production ramps up (it is identical to HD DVD except for a logo on the case and firmware).
Wait and see, $150 entry-level this X-mas and $100 entry level HD DVD by Easter.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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because nobody wants them (cost and demand).

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- LMAO.

Yeah, the Toshiba players are all selling very well but you reckon "nobody wants them".

You need to face up to the fact that Blu-ray's very poor showing is only because they piggybacked on a game console bound to sell multi-millions (even if it is a flop in it's own market).

10 - 20 times the number of players holding a 60:40 lead is not something I'd be shouting about.

.....and if the other guy is supposed to be "dead" or "dying" how much more pathetic does that make Blu-ray's position in this, hmmmmm?

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I mean come on if blu ray players were a little cheaper the sales would be double that of what they are now and they wouldn't be able to keep the players on the shelves.

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- You seem to be blind to the fact that it's part of the intent behind Blu-ray to see a return to the kinds of profit margins the CE corporations 'enjoyed' when SD DVD 1st appeared.

That's partly how come they are still so expensive with precious little sign of any one of them dropping below $400.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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Not to mention Blockbuster going Blu Rray exclusive that alone is going to kill HDDVD

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- Yeah except they didn't, did they?

They still stock HD DVD in several hundred stores and it is still available on-line from them (and Blockbuster is part of the Viacom/Paramount group......I wouldn't hold out too much hope on that remaining the case)

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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now target is leaning toward blu ray.

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- LMAO

"Target" have done nothing of the sort.
All they did was sell some end caps to Sony.
Standard business practice, it doesn't mean 'they' feel anything either way.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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Come on Hugh wake up, you sound like a broken record.

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- No, just challenging the idiotic BS each time it rears it's ugly head is all.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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HD DVD has more exclusive movie content, by far......over 1/3 more in fact.

Then add those same 70 titles to the total number of titles available to HD DVD and
remove the 30 Paramount movies Blu-ray no longer has and the 3 Dreamworks titles
and we are left with -

Blu-ray available content = 311

HD DVD available content = 393.

HD DVD also has more available content, by far

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Cmon how can HD-DVD have the most Exclsive content when they have only 2 studio's that do exclusive movies for them.Universal & Paramount which really not exclusive bacause some Dream work titles

Then, just last month came news that the very first Spielberg high-def title -- a 30th anniversary edition of 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' -- would be released on Blu-ray, not HD DVD. (That release is due November 13, day and date with the standard-def DVD edition.)

Finally, yesterday's stunner of a Paramount/DreamWorks HD DVD exclusivity press release included a conspicuous one line carve-out, stating that Spielberg's DreamWorks films would be exempt from the terms of the HD DVD exclusivity arrangement, opening the door to the possible future release of more recent Spielberg blockbusters on Blu-ray.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/878

Some much for Exclsive deal

Let's take a look at the much hyped More exclusive than Blu-Ray.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/reviews_hd.html

HD-DVD has countless rehash of Movie's that are already own by people. If you own the SD version why buy the HD version? Universal has been a major help too HD-DVD...LMAO.Out of 393 HD-DVD exclusive movie on that list Half of them are rehashed version & only 4 movie that are exclusive from Paramount(Lets not forget they was Format Neutral).Why buy a HD-DVD When i can use my DVD upscaler & save money on titles i already own.You sound just like Toshiba aways twisting numbers...lol

i still think blu-ray wont loose format war... only for hd-dvd that is possible. Ps3 like it or not is blu-rays stronghold. Having blu-ray makes every ps3 owner possible blu-ray movie buyer. Even if no standalone players are sold, there is still big market for those disks. So blu-ray has pretty solid ground. Price seems to be the only thing keeping hd-dvd alive. For non-tech nerd i would see grate benefit with grater storage size... for example recording hd content to disk... when you see how mutch that takes spaces you will think even those 200gb disks arent enought =)... only reason why media industry would´t want to take bluray is because they dont like 50gb of piratet content in one disk/layer idea =)

prices pioneer blu-ray 210€ (bluray read, dvd+/-rw, cd-rw)
toshiba xbox hd-dvd 170€ hd-dvd read only
prize differense isnt so big anymore if you think about the benefit of having old standard burner =).

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Cmon how can HD-DVD have the most Exclsive content when they have only 2 studio's that do exclusive movies for them.

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- Stop pretending you don't get this.

I gave you the links which prove my point.

Thanks to the international distribution & publishing deals over 70 of those supposedly 'exclusive' Blu-ray movies aren't around the world.....and with HD DVD being region free everytime that's something all HD DVD owners can enjoy without worry.

Lots of other companies are not tied to Blu-ray - for instance Fox uses a company called Highlight Video as a distributor in Germany which is an HD DVD outlet.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Finally, yesterday's stunner of a Paramount/DreamWorks HD DVD exclusivity press release included a conspicuous one line carve-out, stating that Spielberg's DreamWorks films would be exempt from the terms of the HD DVD exclusivity arrangement, opening the door to the possible future release of more recent Spielberg blockbusters on Blu-ray.

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- Wow, a single Spielberg movie is coming out on BD, well, that proves it eh?

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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If you own the SD version why buy the HD version?

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- It seems as if every PS3 owner is asking themselves just that!

LMAO

Typical.
You can't dispute the facts from the web sites I gave so you are left trying to run down the quality of the content available.

......cos of course movie content that's aimed at the PS3 demographic has got to be so much better, eh?

Tough luck nextgen76, you failed to disprove a thing.

HD DVD offers the most available, exclusive and potential content compared with Blu-ray

Originally posted by oappi:

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i still think blu-ray wont loose format war... only for hd-dvd that is possible.

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- Naaa, Blu-ray has hobbled itself by being far too reliant on those PS3s.
HD DVD will take the wider (and much bigger) adult a/v market.

Originally posted by oappi:

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Ps3 like it or not is blu-rays stronghold.

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- .....and also it's biggest weakness.
The demographic is too narrow and they simply aren't buying enough Blu-ray movies.

You can't get away from the fact that they have between 10 - 20 times the number of players but have only managed a 60:40 lead.

.....and it'll be a long time until they sell another 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 million.

Originally posted by oappi:

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Having blu-ray makes every ps3 owner possible blu-ray movie buyer.

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- .....and yet as we can see from the laughable attachment rates the overwhelming majority of them resolutely are not interested.

BTW did you know that even Sony's own research shows the majority of PS3 owners don't have an HD TV?
So why on earth would they be wanting to buy BD movies for?

Originally posted by oappi:

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Even if no standalone players are sold, there is still big market for those disks.

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- Which is how it's going to finish up.
Blu-ray will be PS3's version of the PSP's UMD.
A market of several million still worth selling to but effectively going nowhere and ultimately dead.

Originally posted by oappi:

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So blu-ray has pretty solid ground.

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- No, you're joking.

Originally posted by oappi:

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Price seems to be the only thing keeping hd-dvd alive. [/quopte]

- .....and content and a fixed and settled spec and a proper range of players and accelerating sales.

Not much eh?

LMAO

Originally posted by oappi:

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For non-tech nerd i would see grate benefit with grater storage size... for example recording hd content to disk... when you see how mutch that takes spaces you will think even those 200gb disks arent enought

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- 50gb is your lot (er I mean 45gb).
There won't be any 100gb or 200gb discs (if the movie studios aren't going to use them in millions then the costs will never fall enough to make them affordable on the street.
Wake up.
They can barely get 50gb (ooops that's really approx 45gb) to work and at an affordable price.

Originally posted by oappi:

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only reason why media industry would´t want to take bluray is because they dont like 50gb of piratet content in one disk/layer idea

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- .....and of course Blu-ray stand-alones like the S300 won't let you play BD -R or BD -RE.

Originally posted by oappi:

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prices pioneer blu-ray 210€ (bluray read, dvd+/-rw, cd-rw)
toshiba xbox hd-dvd 170€ hd-dvd read only
prize differense isnt so big anymore if you think about the benefit of having old standard burner =).

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- Those are ROM prices.

Blu-ray burners are all over the $500 level......and the media is as expensive as can be too.
HDDs are the most cost-effective way to back anything up atm.

Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other. Oh ya just got Transformers on HD-DVD today. Nice to have the best PQ/AQ high-def disk to date.

Why an idiot would defend Blu-ray or HD-DVD, let alone buy one is beyond me. Who cares which one holds more per disc, or is technically superiour? They both push exessive amounts of DRM on us, the consumers. HDCP compliance, BD+, and so on.
Its all a big joke.

Originally posted by club42:

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Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other.

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- Watch out for Walmart stocking their own brand of $149 HD DVD player for this X-mas.

I don't think anyone expected them to immediatley take all of the HDDVDs out to their parking lot and set them on fire. I mean I'm sure they do have a few from before they became blu ray exclusive, duh.


Oh check this out Hugh:

The release of Sony's Blu-ray-enabled PlayStation 3 games console was also a factor in the decision, said Blockbuster senior vice president of merchandising Matthew Smith. Smith's comments comes after Microsoft conceded that the Xbox 360 games console may eventually support Blu-ray.

Here is the link:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/12942/1085/

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Originally posted by club42:

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Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other.

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- Watch out for Walmart stocking their own brand of $149 HD DVD player for this X-mas.

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90% of the items Walmart carries are crap anyway. At least target doesn't make manufactures alter their products like walmart.

Originally posted by subpopz:

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Why an idiot would defend Blu-ray or HD-DVD, let alone buy one is beyond me. Who cares which one holds more per disc, or is technically superiour? They both push exessive amounts of DRM on us, the consumers. HDCP compliance, BD+, and so on.
Its all a big joke.

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Companies like slysoft have already cracked the drm on blu ray and hddvd. So whats the problem? Its not like standard DVD's don't have the same problem.

lol, who cares about blockbuster. they'll be going out of business soon enough.
more interested on who'll come out on top during the Christmas Holiday season

Originally posted by jimmer:

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lol, who cares about blockbuster. they'll be going out of business soon enough.
more interested on who'll come out on top during the Christmas Holiday season

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Oh I don't know they only have over 1400 US stores. So I don't think they'll be closing up shop anytime soon.

I can say that after owning a ps3 and an HD DVD , i say that HD DVD is much better , here are some reasons : 1 ) Cheaper players , 2)more exclusice content ( Yes there are a lot who likes speacial features) 3) After watching Happy Feet on both Blu ray and HD DVD version....HD DVD is better . In the long run doesnt matter who wins but i believe that HD DVD is the best format .

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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Companies like slysoft have already cracked the drm on blu ray and hddvd. So whats the problem? Its not like standard DVD's don't have the same problem.

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- Why do you guys always have to lie or be so badly informed.

AACS has been cracked.

But Blu-ray also has a unique load of DRM all of it's own called BD+ which, together with the hardware based watermarking Blu-ray uses, has not been cracked
(or avoided).

Haha the public likes Blu-Ray better then HD-DVD! It's like teasing a 4 year-old.

No body wants to take the time to research a machine that plays movies. So, when these people decide to buy either or, they'll buy what sounds cooler, looks nicer, or even more expensive because some people think the higher the cost, the better the quality or something. They might not even know what could possibly be better about something that's more expensive even though they were all made for 1 purpose, which is to play HD movies. As long as they do that, they're happy.

"What will he pull out of his ass next?"

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Originally posted by banshee07:

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i thin k i have this figured out.... ***removed***

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enjoy a holiday on me...

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LOCOENG, you and binkie7 have gone to work quick. Keep up the good work.

Originally posted by vinny13:

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No body wants to take the time to research a machine that plays movies.

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- Uh huh.

That's why we have umteen technically focused sites like this one. eh?

But you reckon it's not really worth the bother researching your kit & that ignorance is best, eh?
Now that is the kind of talk I'd expect from a 4 year old.

"sounds cooler", ffs you guys deserve to be ripped off repeatedly with over-priced inferior goods.

Jayzuss wept.

Thank God you're the minority.

Originally posted by subpopz:

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Why an idiot would defend Blu-ray or HD-DVD, let alone buy one is beyond me. Who cares which one holds more per disc, or is technically superiour? They both push exessive amounts of DRM on us, the consumers. HDCP compliance, BD+, and so on.
Its all a big joke.

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AMEN BROTHER this guy said a mouth full.50gigs for a movie come now dont blow smoke up our ass with this kong size load of BS,maybe 50gigs for video games but movies,no way in hell,30gigs is also a bit much.but if they work on the price and get the average joe onboard with this crap then maybe they may stand a chance.guys this will come down to the average joe who buys movies every other week from his paycheck not the super tech savy who will steal the shit anyway.

Originally posted by club42:

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Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other.

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- Yeah and sometimes they make a choice to go 'one format' (or sell things like 'end caps' - as Target has done) and then later reverse the decision.

Like has happened in Australia.

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Sony and Blu-ray have lost their exclusivity in JBHi-Fi stores with the announcement that effective from November, the major retailer will start selling HD DVD players and content.

The big winner is Toshiba, with JB Hi-Fi Marketing Director Scott Browning conceding that it was the exclusive Paramount content deal with HD DVD that swung him over to the HD DVD format.

Back in February this year at the launch of the Blu-ray Disc Working Group, Browning said that JB Hi-Fi would only sell Blu-ray hardware and software because of the strength of the format.

But in an interview with SmartHouse today Browning said, "We have come to the conclusion that cutting the consumer out of a HD DVD opportunity was not right, as content is critical and the move by Paramount to support HD DVD exclusively influenced our decision.

In addition, Toshiba is a strong brand and we are currently selling their computer products, and will next year be selling their LCD TVs."

He added, "The dropping of the entry-level price to a HD DVD player late last week by Toshiba was not a key part of our decision. We are focused on 1080p and the HD DVD offering from Toshiba will complement our existing customer offering.
Toshiba have done a great job in expanding their CE range and we look forward to working with their team."

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http://www.smarthouse.com.au/HD/HD_DVD/J8T5Q8M5

And after reading the whole thing, my opinion is still the same. I'm going to wait until the stupid war is over or until LG releases a $150 dual format player. I recently bought a $150 excellent UpConverting DVD player that is DiVX capable and has a USB port which I use to plug an external HD full of content. Standard DVD and DiVX look just great.

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Face it HDDVD is dying

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With Transformers HD-DVD now has the highest 1st day and 1st week sales of any high def release to date. Far from dead.

Well at least they have focused on their target :P