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RIAA takes on the entire Usenet network

16 October 2007 22:24 by Rich "vurbal" Fiscus | 44 comments

RIAA takes on the entire Usenet network The RIAA is suing North Dakota based Usenet.com, Inc., claiming the company "enables and encourages its customers to reproduce and distribute millions of infringing copies of Plaintiff's valuable copyrighted sound recordings."

The key to the RIAA argument seems to be the encouraging aspect more than anything else. In order to show liability on the part of the operator of the Usenet message board network, lawyers must establish not just that copyrighted content can and has been shared on Usenet, but also that Usenet.com encouraged this behavior.

Usenet.com's website clearly states that they don't monitor any identifying information about who uploads, downloads, or posts anything on the network of message boards, which the RIAA apparently plans to argue is an invitation to do illegal things.

"They started by going after Napster, Aimster, Grokster, and after that they said, 'We're gonna go after individuals to see if we (can) get into the psyche of people that peer-to-peer file sharing is wrong,'" says Washington, D.C.-based copyright attorney Ross Dannenberg. "Now it has come full circle. Throughout this cycle, (Usenet) newsgroups have been ignored."

He suggests that they may use DMCA's Safe Harbor provision as a defense. It shields service providers from liability for their customers' infringement as long as they comply with Takedown Requests from content owners. YouTube is already testing this defense, but is in a slightly different position since YouTube's product is their website, whereas Usenet.com's product is actually a connection to a network of message boards.

Since Usenet.com's policy against monitoring makes it if not impossible, at least impractical to locate individuals uploading infringing content, a victory in this case would be a loud statement to Usenet posters, many of whom feel they're out of the RIAA's reach because of the network's anonymity.

Source: Wired News

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    craftyzan (Member) 18 October 2007 2:18 Send private message to this user   
    Then everyone will go out war driving with smart phones and thumb drives....The internet's not confined to computers anymore. A thumb drive can hold a lot of songs and can fit in the most UNUSUAL places...
    simpsim1 (Member) 18 October 2007 6:26 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by craftyzan:
    Then everyone will go out war driving with smart phones and thumb drives....The internet's not confined to computers anymore. A thumb drive can hold a lot of songs and can fit in the most UNUSUAL places...

    So that's where the phrase "Having your thumb stuck up your a**" comes from LOL!!
    dufas (Member) 19 October 2007 13:24 Send private message to this user   
    I wonder if when the RIAA and the MPAA get all the download portals shutdown, shouting that they have won to anyone who will listen and their gross profits do not rise, who are they going to blame for their assumed losses then???

    It wouldn't surprise me that they would try to have the tax payers foot the bill to fill the profit that they think they should have....

    Maybe we could mount a class action suit against the studios for false advertisement and distributing junk.....

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19 October 2007 13:26

    pippincp (Member) 19 October 2007 15:13 Send private message to this user   
    Perhaps the problem is that Usenext CHARGES for the service.

    I'll stick to my PRIVATE trackers!!!
    buccaneer (Newbie) 19 October 2007 15:19 Send private message to this user   
    Next we wont be allowed to switch our machines on cause its illegal to think of downloading anything geeeez how would the worlds learning centres cope mmmmmm ah yes and what about all the businesses that are involved in the internet .....they will have to go after mr M$ because he brought these operating systems in that help you to do illegal things!!
    13sniff (Newbie) 19 October 2007 15:33 Send private message to this user   
    ok everybody listen up.the way to the riaa heart is thru its wallet.quit buying their products....... period. we dont need it
    icepir8 (Newbie) 19 October 2007 15:50 Send private message to this user   
    Only in America.

    You have the right to be as much of an ass as everyone will let yo be. And guess what enough people are letting them. What our response should be we won't buy any songs protected by RIAA BS. Money talks and they are trying to grab as much as they can. So if for period of time no one bought any songs that the RIAA was enforcing copyrights on we could make a point in dollars and cents. That is the only message they will hear.
    gbswales (Newbie) 19 October 2007 16:49 Send private message to this user   
    How do you get to talk to RIAA?
    I just checked out the website - no email address, no enquiry form and no discussion board. Seems like they are not interested in getting opinions from anyone using a computer! Admittedly there is one telephone number but I am not about to start phoning them from the UK

    Seriously organisations like this and businesses are completely out of touch with what consumers want - one wonders what they pay all their marketing experts for? The cant even have the intelligence to see that posting their precious copyrighted film clips on U-tube is in fact a bundle of free publicity for them. They want to delivery everything through slick professional interfaces which frankly are just not fun!

    Their business pratices belong to the 20th century not the 21st - cant they understand that we the CONSUMERS have been saying to them enough is enough. Paying fair prices for something is one thing, allowing large companies to completely control what we can and cannot watch or listen to is another. They are for example sitting on mountains of unreleased or catalogue withdrawn material - waiting presumably for the opportunity to turn it into a pile of cash, and if that moment never comes - tough shit we arent allowed to hear it.

    If I had my way copyright would be limited to 10 years after which everything would be in the public domain.
    ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 19 October 2007 17:21 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by pippincp:
    Perhaps the problem is that Usenext CHARGES for the service.

    I'll stick to my PRIVATE trackers!!!

    that require "donations".
    pippincp (Member) 19 October 2007 17:50 Send private message to this user   
    Quote:
    Originally posted by pippincp:
    Perhaps the problem is that Usenext CHARGES for the service.

    I'll stick to my PRIVATE trackers!!!

    that require "donations".
    If I wish to donate-that's up to me!
    fonzbear (Newbie) 19 October 2007 19:41 Send private message to this user   
    EVERYONE needs to start COMPLETLY boycotting the RIAA, MPAA, and the ENTIRE entertainment industry!!! that includes major sports as well!!!
    svtstang (AfterDawn Addict) 19 October 2007 19:44 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by pippincp:
    Perhaps the problem is that Usenext CHARGES for the service.

    I'll stick to my PRIVATE trackers!!!
    Sorry to break the news....but most trackers are P2L (pay to leach).



    entilzah (Newbie) 19 October 2007 21:12 Send private message to this user   
    lets do it the old fashion way get out your vynal and put it onto tape and then pass it onto a friend
    AUDIOMIND (Junior Member) 19 October 2007 22:10 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by fonzbear:
    EVERYONE needs to start COMPLETLY boycotting the RIAA, MPAA, and the ENTIRE entertainment industry!!! that includes major sports as well!!!
    http://www.riaaradar.com/


    http://www.abreakapart.com - A community where DJs, producers, mixers and fans can unite and share their inspirations, music, production techniques, graphic and web design principles, together with their social ideals.

    "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.......I like a little rebellion now and then."
    rto180 (Newbie) 20 October 2007 6:11 Send private message to this user   
    Some of these user net and the rest of the user net Groups should go after these (#$%^&) through legal terms, just like these come after us. I believe that you should fight (fire with fire) and I think that all of us think alone the same lines. A portion of our moneys that have been spent for the use of this service, should be spent hiring the best that money can buy and go after this (IRAA) and do something that could open the corruption within that organization. You see, an Organization the size of this (IRAA) that is being paid by the record industries is only going to get bigger and bigger; you must CUT the F$%^ head off and use some of the service money that we contribute for this user net service to work…
    rto180 (Newbie) 20 October 2007 6:24 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by rto180:
    Some of these user net and the rest of the user net Groups should go after these (#$%^&) through legal terms, just like these come after us. I believe that you should fight (fire with fire) and I think that all of us think alone the same lines. A portion of our moneys that have been spent for the use of this service, should be spent hiring the best that money can buy and go after this (IRAA) and do something that could open the corruption within that organization. You see, an Organization the size of this (IRAA) that is being paid by the record industries is only going to get bigger and bigger; you must CUT the F$%^ head off and use some of the service money that we contribute for this user net service to work…
    We can all cry but in the end it’s up to the service providers that WE support their service and they should take the battle to the front. Without our contribution they would be out of business: its lawyer on a feeding frenzy, capitalizing on all this bull shit, and until this all changes this is ruining of someone’s life or worse (Imprisonment)
    malh (Newbie) 20 October 2007 12:33 Send private message to this user   
    I am glad to be in the UK. We do it the old way, leg it with CDs\DVDs songs films software the lot. Not likely to be nicked that way. Why don't you do it like that. You can also copy by soldering a pair of wires to the speakers on your Radio TV DVD player and copy all music, the seakers can't pass any data to bock it. You can also get a electronic guy to wire the TV for films. What now RIAA????
    fonzbear (Newbie) 20 October 2007 19:34 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by AUDIOMIND:
    Originally posted by fonzbear:
    EVERYONE needs to start COMPLETLY boycotting the RIAA, MPAA, and the ENTIRE entertainment industry!!! that includes major sports as well!!!
    http://www.riaaradar.com/

    i like this better: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/
    ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 20 October 2007 20:13 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by malh:
    I am glad to be in the UK. We do it the old way, leg it with CDs\DVDs songs films software the lot. Not likely to be nicked that way. Why don't you do it like that. You can also copy by soldering a pair of wires to the speakers on your Radio TV DVD player and copy all music, the seakers can't pass any data to bock it. You can also get a electronic guy to wire the TV for films. What now RIAA????
    just wait till HDCP speakers, its digitally protected right into the cranium :P

    For all the console/game fanboys out their.
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles...Console-Rundown
    Oh god I can't stop laughing!!!
    malh (Newbie) 21 October 2007 12:34 Send private message to this user   
    "just wait till HDCP speakers, its digitally protected right into the cranium :P"

    Microphone(s) In sound chaber(s) There will always be a way for Pirates. Play the DVD\CD, run it through a "Valve" amplifier, record from that.
    simpsim1 (Member) 21 October 2007 19:48 Send private message to this user   
    For every digital block they put on digital media, ther will always be an analogue solution. For instance, most video can be captured with a half decent screen capture proggy and a fairly fast PC. Audio is just as easy with a simple audio capture program.

    My opinions come with no warranty whatsoever, but are totally open-source, so you can reverse engineer or decompile them as you see fit. All other rights reserved.
    AUDIOMIND (Junior Member) 22 October 2007 19:13 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by fonzbear:
    Originally posted by AUDIOMIND:
    Originally posted by fonzbear:
    EVERYONE needs to start COMPLETLY boycotting the RIAA, MPAA, and the ENTIRE entertainment industry!!! that includes major sports as well!!!
    http://www.riaaradar.com/

    i like this better: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/


    They're essentially the same thing, except with the site I submitted you can take action and actually locate most any CD released the past 10 years or so and see if it was released under any of the RIAA labels, thus avoiding it.
    http://www.riaa.org/aboutus.php?content_selector=aboutus_members

    http://www.abreakapart.com - A community where DJs, producers, mixers and fans can unite and share their inspirations, music, production techniques, graphic and web design principles, together with their social ideals.

    "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.......I like a little rebellion now and then."
    fonzbear (Newbie) 22 October 2007 20:46 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by AUDIOMIND:
    Originally posted by fonzbear:
    Originally posted by AUDIOMIND:
    Originally posted by fonzbear:
    EVERYONE needs to start COMPLETLY boycotting the RIAA, MPAA, and the ENTIRE entertainment industry!!! that includes major sports as well!!!
    http://www.riaaradar.com/

    i like this better: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/


    They're essentially the same thing, except with the site I submitted you can take action and actually locate most any CD released the past 10 years or so and see if it was released under any of the RIAA labels, thus avoiding it.
    http://www.riaa.org/aboutus.php?content_...members

    ah, i see what that link is about now-very nice!
    borhan9 (AfterDawn Addict) 23 October 2007 8:17 Send private message to this user   
    This is going to be a long one i feel :P
    grandma01 (Newbie) 23 October 2007 22:31 Send private message to this user   
    has anyone been attacked for using newsgroups provided by their ISP's? As opposed to using pay usenet sites.
    edisongs (Newbie) 1 November 2007 22:23 Send private message to this user   
    Quit using your ISP for usenet uses! That's what they want you to do. Dedicated usenet servers are one step away from the pseudo-anonymity of ISP. I may be wrong for future use, but protected at least for the present.
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