Sooo very true! :^)

I may be wrong, but I don't think the DIVX players that were out actually used the 'divx compression' that is now so famous! I believe the technology was pretty much the same specs as DVD. There were many problems with the DIVX systems from the beginning. They offered movies for $4.99 and required you to activate it on your player (which had to be connected to a phone line). Once activated, it gave you 48 hours to watch it and then deactivated it. They gave you an option to "permanently" activate it for an additional $14.99, which brings the movie to the $20 price range (equivelant to the price of a dvd). NOW, this all sounds well and good, but here's where the problems began. A disc that was "permanently" activated was only activated on THAT particular player. If you took it to a player in another room, or to a friend's house, it wouldn't work. On top of that, I believe more titles were 'full screen' as opposed to widescreen. To add insult to injury, when they killed this format, they also killed the ability to play those discs that were 'permanently' activated, as the players had to have connection to that service in order to keep them active.

Of course with HDDVD and BluRay, it is a much more level playing field. If BluRay was the only one out there, of coure I'd adopt it eventually (but would wait for the prices to come down dramatically).

With that said... I just came from Best Buy a few minutes ago and bought my 2nd HD-DVD player. I picked up the A3 unit for 199.99 PLUS 9 FREE MOVIES!!! So, I spent a total of $300 this weekend and bought TWO players and 14 movies! For those that don't know, the A3 comes with "300" and the "BOURNE IDENTITY" in the box, plus the 5 FREE mail in movies. BEST BUY is also throwing in ANY 2 regular movies in their store (I picked up BATMAN BEGINS and TRANSFORMERS). Not a bad deal if you ask me!!

--Rick

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Sooo very true! :^)

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HDVD dosent have that many holes in its boat, and at the most sony only has 3 or 4 more at the end of the day the one to bring the players and discs to the consumer at the cheaper price generally wins.

neither BR or Hdvd are sinking yet and sony has a good 5-8 months to do a real price match before the market sweeps them to shore and right now it looks bad for BR.

That's were we disagree, I believe they BOTH will be around for some time and since BD has a bigger market potential it won't be going away even if HD gets a jump on them. HD compresses their audio for a reason, BD doesn't, and doesn’t need to especially when they go to several layers. In the long run both HD & BD will be going away as they are working on more dense formats as we speak but for now expect to see both of these formats around for a decade or so.

I know all of the cheapsters want HD but cheap doesn't make it better, at least in this case, BD isn't really that much more and as they get the MFG cost down they will be very closely priced but you'll get a lot more with BD.

RickWJ324, that is a great deal way to go, you should be able to enjoy that for some time and getting 14 movies too, wow!

MrMovie... I also believe that both will be around for some time! Which is a shame, because I'd really like to see a clear winner soon, which would mean ALL studios supporting one format!! Even though I'm in the HD-DVD camp right now, doesn't mean I'm anti-BluRay. I just went with a hunch and the price is right! I haven't bought a single HD-DVD movie yet, but the 14 free movies I got with the players was too good a deal to pass up. If HD-DVD loses, I won't cry about it. I'll still have two decent players that were very cheap to me and I'll be able to play my 2500+ dvd's that I have on these players and upconvert them to 1080i.
It would really be interesting to see what would happen if ALL studios made ALL movies available on both formats. Who do you think would be winning right now? :)
--Rick

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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That's were we disagree, I believe they BOTH will be around for some time and since BD has a bigger market potential it won't be going away even if HD gets a jump on them. HD compresses their audio for a reason, BD doesn't, and doesn’t need to especially when they go to several layers. In the long run both HD & BD will be going away as they are working on more dense formats as we speak but for now expect to see both of these formats around for a decade or so.

I know all of the cheapsters want HD but cheap doesn't make it better, at least in this case, BD isn't really that much more and as they get the MFG cost down they will be very closely priced but you'll get a lot more with BD.

RickWJ324, that is a great deal way to go, you should be able to enjoy that for some time and getting 14 movies too, wow!

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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That's were we disagree, I believe they BOTH will be around for some time and since BD has a bigger market potential it won't be going away even if HD gets a jump on them. HD compresses their audio for a reason, BD doesn't, and doesn’t need to especially when they go to several layers. In the long run both HD & BD will be going away as they are working on more dense formats as we speak but for now expect to see both of these formats around for a decade or so.

I know all of the cheapsters want HD but cheap doesn't make it better, at least in this case, BD isn't really that much more and as they get the MFG cost down they will be very closely priced but you'll get a lot more with BD.

RickWJ324, that is a great deal way to go, you should be able to enjoy that for some time and getting 14 movies too, wow!

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oh trust me I wont be surprised if this drags past 010.

In order for sony to gain ground here they need to do soemthign drastic in a few months, they don't they will start waning and it might be to late then, its still 2+ years before anythign is done but it looks really bad for BR right now.

RickWJ324, I understand your plight but the two formats will be no more difference then +/- DVD formats. With combo drives already out there who cares what format it is as long as you get what you want as cheap as you can. Having both formats has caused such a competition that the prices are coming down quick and even DVD format are going to 3 layers now to compete, which Zippy misrepresented in another post.

Zippy if you read in that other post you'll see its not just Sony that makes BD devices and I really don't agree with your doom and gloom views, but don't get me wrong I like you and normally agree with you so please don't take this or my other post too personally. You're a great guy and offer a lot of good knowledge to this forum plus some pretty good common sense.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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RickWJ324, I understand your plight but the two formats will be no more difference then +/- DVD formats. With combo drives already out there who cares what format it is as long as you get what you want as cheap as you can. Having both formats has caused such a competition that the prices are coming down quick and even DVD format are going to 3 layers now to compete, which Zippy misrepresented in another post.

Zippy if you read in that other post you'll see its not just Sony that makes BD devices and I really don't agree with your doom and gloom views, but don't get me wrong I like you and normally agree with you so please don't take this or my other post too personally. You're a great guy and offer a lot of good knowledge to this forum plus some pretty good common sense.

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Sony is heading the BR movement one could say its more their baby than anyone else's, but besides that you can't ignore the damage being done to BR this holiday season, will be be over in a year, doubtful, sony will have to lead BR to cheaper players and prices in order to to gain market share without that they will only start to linger.

This move by HDVD will give them a better share of the Hdef market for a while and it will last until BR counters it and that can only be done with better deals and lower prices.

For the lay man price comes before everythign thus why it needs to be cheap.

Third generation BD’s will be around $300 soon which will support 50GB discs. This will be in time for Christmas so I’ve read. Unfortunately our economy is not the best so this may still be too high for the average person especially when you can get a third generation HD for $170, so I think your right HD will have the leverage this holiday season. And with the average person not aware of the difference between HD and BD they will most probably buy the cheaper unit.

If people are going to spend big money on anything it will be HDTV’s, not players at least at first.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Third generation BD’s will be around $300 soon which will support 50GB discs. This will be in time for Christmas so I’ve read. Unfortunately our economy is not the best so this may still be too high for the average person especially when you can get a third generation HD for $170, so I think your right HD will have the leverage this holiday season. And with the average person not aware of the difference between HD and BD they will most probably buy the cheaper unit.

If people are going to spend big money on anything it will be HDTV’s, not players at least at first.

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Frankly there is no difference in BR and HDVD not with the 51GB single sided discs that are so very close to market end any real difference in the formats not to mention by the time they hit the market they will be as much or cheaper than the BR50 GB discs, so size dose not matter as much as price and if HDVD remains the lower priced format for acouple years they win.

BR is nice but it can not beat a cheaper "like" alternative, not if its 60% or less the price, I wait for what BR dose next, lets hope they don't cock it up with some retarded off the wall moeny scheme from sony yes men......

Frankly there is a difference a couple of them. A BD disc can hold 25GB/layer where as HD’s typical size is 15GB/layer or possibly 17GB/layer on a 3 layer disc. So at best case for HD, BD retains 1.47x more capacity which to me makes size matter. However this isn’t the only significant difference BD is capable of high bitrates which translates to sharper picture and sound quality. Now you can compare 3 layer discs to 2 layer discs and say that is a fare comparison but I would beg to differ, it’s not the same, apples to apples BD is better! On the fare side it does carry more DRM garbage since it also incorporates BD+ and BD-ROM Mark.

Technical specifications
The current specification version for HD DVD-ROM and HD DVD-Rewritable is version 1.0. The specification for HD DVD-R is currently at 0.9; the HD DVD-RAM specification is not yet finalized.

Disc structure
HD DVD-ROM has a single-layer capacity of 15 GB, a dual-layer capacity of 30 GB, and a 51 GB single-sided triple-layer disc (which uses slightly bigger 17 GB layers), approved in September 2007 by the DVD Forum. Toshiba has claimed that all existing and future players should be compatible with the triple layer.

A 51 GB triple-layer preliminary spec has been approved. However, no movies are currently scheduled for this disc type.

As of October 30, 2007, 327 HD DVD titles have been released in the USA.[1] As of September 15, 2007, 133 HD DVD titles have been released in Japan, while 21 titles pending to be released.[2]

The primary rival to Blu-ray Disc is HD DVD. At the moment, Blu-ray Disc has the advantage in maximum disc capacity with 50 GB, over HD DVD's 30 GB. However, in September 2007 the DVD Forum approved the triple-layer, single-sided 51 GB HD DVD-ROM in a preliminary specification. It is unknown at this time whether the final specification will be compatible with current players. or when it will be released. As of September 2007 40% of Blu-ray titles use the 50 GB disc and 60% use the 25 GB disc while almost all HD DVD movies are in the 30 GB dual layer format.

HD DVD-R and HD DVD-RW has a single-layer capacity of 15 GB, a dual-layer capacity of 30 GB. The HD DVD-RAM has a single-layer capacity of 20 GB. Like the original DVD format, the data layer of an HD DVD disc is 0.6 mm below the surface physically protecting the data layer from damage. The numerical aperture of the optical pick-up head is 0.65, compared with 0.6 for DVD. All HD DVD players are backward compatible with DVD and CD.

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Physical size      Single layer capacity        Dual layer capacity 

12 cm                 single sided 15 GB                 30 GB 

12 cm                 double sided 30 GB                 60 GB 

 8 cm                 single sided 4.7 GB                9.4 GB 

 8 cm                 double sided 9.4 GB                18.8 GB



Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s and so on….



Maximum bitrate           BD          HD            DVD

Raw data transfer   53.95 Mbit/s   36.55 Mbit/s   11.08 Mbit/s

Audio+Video         48.0 Mbit/s    30.24 Mbit/s   10.08 Mbit/s

Video               40.0 Mbit/s    29.4 Mbit/s    9.8 Mbit/s

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Here is an interesting artical which suggests HD will be gaining some ground in the so called battle.

October 26, 2007
HD-DVD expected to close the gap on Blu-ray

Blu-ray DVD titles outsold rival HD-DVD titles by almost 2-to-1 in the first nine months of the year, but analysts expect additional HD-DVD support and new hit releases to "transform" the high-definition DVD battle score in the fourth quarter.

Home Media Research, a division of Home Media Magazine, said on Tuesday total U.S. sales of Blu-ray discs, using a Sony-backed technology, totaled 2.6 million units from January 1 through September 30, versus 1.4 million HD-DVD discs sold.

HD-DVD was developed by Toshiba. It is backed by Microsoft as well as film studios like Time Warner's TWX.N Warner Bros.

The division in Hollywood grew deeper in August when Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG signed exclusivity deals to distribute their next-generation discs on HD-DVD format for the next 18 months.

Gerry Kaufhold, analyst with In-Stat research firm, believes newly released HD-DVD titles with new advanced web-enabled features, such as Paramount's Transformers, will help the HD-DVD camp in the fourth quarter.

Paramount Home Video said that Transformers had the biggest debut of any high-definition titles, selling over 100,000 HD-DVDs on October 16, its first day of release.

Tom Adams, president of Adams Media Research, also said the 18-month period of exclusivity for HD-DVDs by Paramount and DreamWorks should strengthen HD-DVD's hand this quarter.

"This definitely smooths out the edge that Blu-ray had in exclusive titles and it very much strengthens HD-DVD's hand in the fourth quarter," he said, but still expects Blu-ray will lead for the year overall.

Adams predicts that for 2007 overall, consumers will spend $US186 million purchasing Blu-ray discs, versus $US91 million for HD-DVD.

Walt Disney, Sony, News Corp's 20th Century Fox, and Lions Gate Entertainment are exclusively in the Blu-ray camp.

Hollywood and electronics manufacturers had hoped new high-definition DVDs, with better picture quality and more capacity would revive the slowing $US24 billion home DVD market.

But like the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, the DVD standards war has slowed adoption and created customer confusion. It has also raised the likelihood it will be years before next-generation players become standard equipment.

Since both formats launched in the spring of 2006, an estimated 4.98 million high-definition discs have been sold, including 3.01 million in Blu-ray and 1.97 million in HD-DVD through the end of September, according to Home Media.

One big factor giving Blu-ray an edge has been the popularity of Sony's PlayStation 3 game consoles, which also include a Blu-ray disc drive.

"It's going to be 2008 before the dust will really starts to settle. For now, its like watching a yacht race," said Kaufhold, who expects the standards battle will lead more consumers to dual DVD players such as those made by South Korea's LG Electronics, which supports both Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

Samsung Electronics is expected to market a dual format player later this year, ahead of the holiday shopping season.

Reuters

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Frankly there is a difference a couple of them. A BD disc can hold 25GB/layer where as HD’s typical size is 15GB/layer or possibly 17GB/layer on a 3 layer disc. So at best case for HD, BD retains 1.47x more capacity which to me makes size matter. However this isn’t the only significant difference BD is capable of high bitrates which translates to sharper picture and sound quality. Now you can compare 3 layer discs to 2 layer discs and say that is a fare comparison but I would beg to differ, it’s not the same, apples to apples BD is better! On the fare side it does carry more DRM garbage since it also incorporates BD+ and BD-ROM Mark.

Technical specifications
The current specification version for HD DVD-ROM and HD DVD-Rewritable is version 1.0. The specification for HD DVD-R is currently at 0.9; the HD DVD-RAM specification is not yet finalized.

Disc structure
HD DVD-ROM has a single-layer capacity of 15 GB, a dual-layer capacity of 30 GB, and a 51 GB single-sided triple-layer disc (which uses slightly bigger 17 GB layers), approved in September 2007 by the DVD Forum. Toshiba has claimed that all existing and future players should be compatible with the triple layer.

A 51 GB triple-layer preliminary spec has been approved. However, no movies are currently scheduled for this disc type.

As of October 30, 2007, 327 HD DVD titles have been released in the USA.[1] As of September 15, 2007, 133 HD DVD titles have been released in Japan, while 21 titles pending to be released.[2]

The primary rival to Blu-ray Disc is HD DVD. At the moment, Blu-ray Disc has the advantage in maximum disc capacity with 50 GB, over HD DVD's 30 GB. However, in September 2007 the DVD Forum approved the triple-layer, single-sided 51 GB HD DVD-ROM in a preliminary specification. It is unknown at this time whether the final specification will be compatible with current players. or when it will be released[99] As of September 2007 40% of Blu-ray titles use the 50 GB disc and 60% use the 25 GB disc[100] while almost all HD DVD movies are in the 30 GB dual layer format.

HD DVD-R and HD DVD-RW has a single-layer capacity of 15 GB, a dual-layer capacity of 30 GB. The HD DVD-RAM has a single-layer capacity of 20 GB.[39] Like the original DVD format, the data layer of an HD DVD disc is 0.6 mm below the surface physically protecting the data layer from damage. The numerical aperture of the optical pick-up head is 0.65, compared with 0.6 for DVD. All HD DVD players are backward compatible with DVD and CD.

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Physical size      Single layer capacity        Dual layer capacity 

12 cm                 single sided 15 GB                 30 GB 

12 cm                 double sided 30 GB                 60 GB 

 8 cm                 single sided 4.7 GB                9.4 GB 

 8 cm                 double sided 9.4 GB                18.8 GB



Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s and so on….



Maximum bitrate           BD          HD            DVD

Raw data transfer   53.95 Mbit/s   36.55 Mbit/s   11.08 Mbit/s

Audio+Video         48.0 Mbit/s    30.24 Mbit/s   10.08 Mbit/s

Video               40.0 Mbit/s    29.4 Mbit/s    9.8 Mbit/s

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yes BR is alil faster and has more space per layer but that dose not make up for the price, and the price will decide the winner in the end.

I don't think so I think capacity and speed will be a big factor but you also marketing lies and pigeon holing businesses will enter into the mix. I think when the BlueViolet laser comes down in price, price will no longer be a factor and that will happen. But not only from a movie stance, BD can be used as a backup tool for administrators and even end users amongst other stuff. The market potential in much bigger for BD then HD and your 3 layer disc I believe is a special situation try 7 layers and see if the can still maintain the 17GB capacity and a quality bitrate, I don't think it will happen.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I don't think so I think capacity and speed will be a big factor but you also marketing lies and pigeon holing businesses will enter into the mix. I think when the BlueViolet laser comes down in price, price will no longer be a factor and that will happen. But not only from a movie stance, BD can be used as a backup tool for administrators and even end users amongst other stuff. The market potential in much bigger for BD then HD and your 3 layer disc I believe is a special situation try 7 layers and see if the can still maintain the 17GB capacity and a quality bitrate, I don't think it will happen.

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So? the movie indutry itself is not interested in anything above 50GB and the 100GB BR discs are still lab only and overly fragile for the consumer market, BR dose have the spec but it dosent have what the consumer market needs the most price to cost, if the main players for BR come down 100$ to the 200-300 range by end of next year Hdvd will already be in the 50-150 range price will be a looming issue more than ever.

BR needs to be cheap it might can wade through until it can evenly price match but by then dual players will probably be 300$(by 09/010).

still BR is up for its move lets hope its a grand one.

The Hitachi is 1000GB in capacity you forgot a zero in there, BIG difference. And again I think your speculations are off but at any rate until it happens it's a mode point. The fact is that even though you say price is the issue, it really hasn't been so far as BD has had a better year then HD. But regardless even though I prefer BD and say it's better it is good to see HD picking up the pace. I will buy both personally but for my computer BD will be my burner and I will use a HD-DVDROM for reading HD discs.

Tonight I saw something that will play the biggest factor in all this. I work for a well known retailer and this lady came back for the second time returning a movie that she bought. "It just won't play in my DVD player she said" As I looked at the one she brought back (BlueRay) I was like do you have a BlueRay DVD player? And she game me the deer in the head light look. She had no clue what HD in general was about.

Until the normal consumer gets a clue what this is all about, things will go no where.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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The Hitachi is 1000GB in capacity you forgot a zero in there, BIG difference. And again I think your speculations are off but at any rate until it happens it's a mode point. The fact is that even though you say price is the issue, it really hasn't been so far as BD has had a better year then HD. But regardless even though I prefer BD and say it's better it is good to see HD picking up the pace. I will buy both personally but for my computer BD will be my burner and I will use a HD-DVDROM for reading HD discs.

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and its something the consumer market will never see, making it a moot point.

Well it looks like we just aren't going to agree. I believe our differences are I’m looking at the big picture and your thinking short term. There were people that said we would never break the 640K limit with PC’s years ago and you would never need a bigger drive then 10MB’s, these people were short sited obviously. You say a Terabyte drive will not see the consumer market but you are way off here, it will happen. It will be 5 years or better before it happens, at least, but the time will come and honestly if it they were here now it could be used. I could take an array of them and make a video server, besides the backup tool side of things and again these are only a couple of ways it could be utilized. Like I’ve said prior it isn’t always about cost sometimes other things are the driving force.

I do believe that AOD/DVD Forum is making a good move by dropping their prices to the $100 to $200 range this will capture the eyes of many people over the holiday and their sales should sky rocket, I hope.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Well it looks like we just aren't going to agree. I believe our differences are I’m looking at the big picture and your thinking short term. There were people that said we would never break the 640K limit with PC’s years ago and you would never need a bigger drive then 10MB’s, these people were short sited obviously. You say a Terabyte drive will not see the consumer market but you are way off here, it will happen. It will be 5 years or better before it happens, at least, but the time will come and honestly if it they were here now it could be used. I could take an array of them and make a video server, besides the backup tool side of things and again these are only a couple of ways it could be utilized. Like I’ve said prior it isn’t always about cost sometimes other things are the driving force.

I do believe that AOD/DVD Forum is making a good move by dropping their prices to the $100 to $200 range this will capture the eyes of many people over the holiday and their sales should sky rocket, I hope.

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The only trouble I see is the war will end in less than 5 years with the cheapest being the winner, if BR can fight DVD as HDVD is setting up to do in the next 10 months more power to them but I do not see it happening in 20 months much less 10.

Once the Hdef format prices get in the range of DVD the time needed to satstruate the market quickens and the war will have its victor, the 1TB disc is nice but will take almost 8 years to come down to the price of DVD at which time BR might be a memory, altho with dual player technology it could easily make a come back Mmmmmmm its possible in 8+ years but for he next 3 BR needs to effect lower prices and start fighting DVD directly.

frankly for me the only difference in BR and HDVD is price and price is the key in this if they can not lay a good foundation for the 1TB disc then its all for nought and the only way to do this is start fighting HDVD on price and to a extent DVD.

I see a good year for BR coming they have to counter HDVD and they will do so enough to sustatian their growth however without lowering the player price soon(next 20 months) they will start to lose momentum.

I posted on here yesterday that I received 14 free movies for buying 2 players. Well this morning, Best Buy added yet another freebie disc so I went in today and got the extra disc. So, for $300.00, I bought into the HD DVD format and received the following:

Toshiba A2 player w/ 5 movies
Toshiba A3 player w/ 10 movies!!
Here are the movies I got in store:
1)Batman Begins
2)Superman Returns
3)Transformers
Got these in the A3 box:
4)300
5)Bourne Identity
Mail in titles I picked:
6)The Italian Job
7)Babel
8)Pitch Black
9)The Thing
10)Full Metal Jacket
11)Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
12)The Frighteners
13)Firewall
14)Darkman
15)Troy
The way I see it, the 15 movies would cost more than $300, so basically the 2 players were free! :)

Originally posted by RickWJ324:

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I posted on here yesterday that I received 14 free movies for buying 2 players. Well this morning, Best Buy added yet another freebie disc so I went in today and got the extra disc. So, for $300.00, I bought into the HD DVD format and received the following:

Toshiba A2 player w/ 5 movies
Toshiba A3 player w/ 10 movies!!
Here are the movies I got in store:
1)Batman Begins
2)Superman Returns
3)Transformers
Got these in the A3 box:
4)300
5)Bourne Identity
Mail in titles I picked:
6)The Italian Job
7)Babel
8)Pitch Black
9)The Thing
10)Full Metal Jacket
11)Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
12)The Frighteners
13)Firewall
14)Darkman
15)Troy
The way I see it, the 15 movies would cost more than $300, so basically the 2 players were free! :)

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But why would you do that when you can get a Blu-ray player for $400 with 5 movies! *yes that was sarcasm* :)

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Originally posted by RickWJ324:

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I posted on here yesterday that I received 14 free movies for buying 2 players. Well this morning, Best Buy added yet another freebie disc so I went in today and got the extra disc. So, for $300.00, I bought into the HD DVD format and received the following:

Toshiba A2 player w/ 5 movies
Toshiba A3 player w/ 10 movies!!
Here are the movies I got in store:
1)Batman Begins
2)Superman Returns
3)Transformers
Got these in the A3 box:
4)300
5)Bourne Identity
Mail in titles I picked:
6)The Italian Job
7)Babel
8)Pitch Black
9)The Thing
10)Full Metal Jacket
11)Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
12)The Frighteners
13)Firewall
14)Darkman
15)Troy
The way I see it, the 15 movies would cost more than $300, so basically the 2 players were free! :)

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But why would you do that when you can get a Blu-ray player for $400 with 5 movies! *yes that was sarcasm* :)

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Wow... you are absolutely correct! Do you think I can get my money back? ;)

Originally posted by RickWJ324:

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Originally posted by RickWJ324:

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I posted on here yesterday that I received 14 free movies for buying 2 players. Well this morning, Best Buy added yet another freebie disc so I went in today and got the extra disc. So, for $300.00, I bought into the HD DVD format and received the following:

Toshiba A2 player w/ 5 movies
Toshiba A3 player w/ 10 movies!!
Here are the movies I got in store:
1)Batman Begins
2)Superman Returns
3)Transformers
Got these in the A3 box:
4)300
5)Bourne Identity
Mail in titles I picked:
6)The Italian Job
7)Babel
8)Pitch Black
9)The Thing
10)Full Metal Jacket
11)Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
12)The Frighteners
13)Firewall
14)Darkman
15)Troy
The way I see it, the 15 movies would cost more than $300, so basically the 2 players were free! :)

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But why would you do that when you can get a Blu-ray player for $400 with 5 movies! *yes that was sarcasm* :)

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Wow... you are absolutely correct! Do you think I can get my money back? ;)

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What do u need 2 HD DVD Players for? And they arent free since you got the *free movies. Would you really buy those movies if they weren't *free? It would be cool to sell one of those players on ebay and keep the movies. Ah!

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Originally posted by c1c:

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What do u need 2 HD DVD Players for?

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Ummmmm... because I watch movies in more than one room?!

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It would be cool to sell one of those players on ebay and keep the movies. Ah!

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Lots of people already doing that.

Shame that i am in OZ hey i dont get the offer here...