Originally posted by BIGnewb:

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http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=239488

bluray is raping hddvd everywhere.only hd-dvd and microsoft d*ck riders talk on afterdawn.go get a life you xbots.bluray is clearly a better console.

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Do you have a girlfriend because if you do we all now she is not a d*ckrider.

OK so BLUE RAY is outselling HD you say, ok then is that ACTUAL MOVIES SOLD or are those the 2 free w/console purchase in store and +5 free by mail are they speaking of =7 total movies ?

I doubt its actually cash sold, rememebr alot of places are giving like 2 for 1 or get x amount of movies free when u buy this or rebate that. I say they are adding just the rebated free movies.
So they need to stop squewing those million sold #'s, and get thier $H!T straight. Saying you sold ALOT means more then 1 but tells me nothing in mass & actuall quantities.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Movies are not going to be the only factor that play into the format race

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- With high def (of both formats combined) @ less than 4% of total retail movie disc sales it means your typical big claims about a percentage or ratio lead for Blu-ray right now mean nothing.

It's way too early to be making the kind of claims the Blu-ray side have indulged in (all year).

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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how little people over look PC & laptops.Just talking movies isn't look at the big picture.

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- There's a great reason for that.

They've sold so few & they're so expensive hardly anyone is buying them.
PC burners right now have zero impact on this.

(but if you want to imply that HD DVD backed by all except 1 of the major PC/Laptop/Notepad manufacturers (Asus, Acer, Toshiba & HP......only Dell has yet to come on board) may add some weight then I agree.
But you just wanted to twist the truth & pretend everyone had gone Blu-ray's way, again, didn't you nextgen?)

Originally posted by saltynuts:

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Do you have a girlfriend because if you do we all now she is not a d*ckrider.

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LMAO

this blu ray bitches vs high def whores ranting is becoming REALLY O-L-D

Originally posted by hughjars:

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They hitched the format to the Playstation brand, that was always going to sell several million.

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So now Sony is wrong for doing their jobs and selling a product with strategy?

Not that I'm jumping on any Blu-ray bandwagon but you make it like Sony is the scurge of the Earth and everything they do is wrong. They are just selling a product here. Every time you post you make yourself out to be someone who can never accept that their choice may not be the same as others, so you attempt to justify why your choice is better with stats and numbers and predictions.

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Originally posted by hughjars:

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They hitched the format to the Playstation brand, that was always going to sell several million.

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So now Sony is wrong for doing their jobs and selling a product with strategy?

Not that I'm jumping on any Blu-ray bandwagon but you make it like Sony is the scurge of the Earth and everything they do is wrong. They are just selling a product here. Every time you post you make yourself out to be someone who can never accept that their choice may not be the same as others, so you attempt to justify why your choice is better with stats and numbers and predictions.

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I agree.


To tavek,

Both camps have giving away movies with the purchase of the dvd player on many of occasions. I think thats the main problem people focus only on one side of the story which leads to all these pointless arguments. Most of yall arguing like yall created these formats or are in the marketing dept for these companies lol. No matter what these sites with all the figures they come up with post nobody will know who the winner is until its announced publically and not just on your favorite sites.

we have a winner..
the euro's are picking blu ray.. that means HD will win

Originally posted by sciascia:

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So now Sony is wrong for doing their jobs and selling a product with strategy?

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- Er, nothing. (and just where did I ever say different?)

The issue is the conclusions drawn from that and the constant slamming HD DVD by the Blu-ray crowd on the back of numbers that are not at all 'straight'.

They're doing a really cr@ppy job.

You can instantly tell from the way they have little or nothing positive (that is accurate & true) about their own format & rely on slamming the other so often.

In those circumstances it's only fair to point out the lies & spin.

Originally posted by sciascia:

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you make it like Sony is the scurge of the Earth and everything they do is wrong.

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- Er no.

I like to give the other side to the Blu-ray fairy-tales and point out the truth of what is going on compared to their obvious propaganda.
I'm the scourge of their idiotic, condescending & patronising lies.
That's all.

Although a company that thinks nothing of secretly & illegally inserting software into your computer is IMO at the very least one to watch very closely and expose any & all their lies.

You might not care about being treated like that and believe that they are trustworthy but I do care and I don't like being treated that way.

Originally posted by sciascia:

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They are just selling a product here.

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- Sadly that is not 'just' all they do.

It's crazy the way people just accept this BS......imagine if Ford never advertised their products in the normal way and went in for this pathetic lying spin and confined almost everything they had to say to outright lies and distortion focused almost entirely on what was wrong (in their eyes) with their main competitor.

The simply truth is that no-one would not put up with that and I don't see why anyone should put up with this high def disc 'war' BS.

Originally posted by sciascia:

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Every time you post you make yourself out to be someone who can never accept that their choice may not be the same as others, so you attempt to justify why your choice is better with stats and numbers and predictions.

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- No.

What I try and do is show the Blu-ray propaganda up for the spin & distortion it is.

Of course people can make their free choices (how the hell could I stop anyone from doing that?).

But I want to see people making informed choices based on the whole truth of the matter, not the usual Blu-ray propaganda, spin & lies.

That's all.....and I don't believe that is hard for any fair-minded person to see.

So what does that make you then, huh?

.....and in a market of several hundred million sales annually what sort of moron declares victory after selling a mere 1 million in over a year?
(or expects 'us' to be such morons as to just swallow that without any critical thought, huh?)

Like I said, lying, condescending & patronising.

I hope both Blue Ray & HD-DVD formats get thier fingers burnt for not setteling this war of formats ages ago as I think consumers are better off going the hard-drive rout for storing & watching video content. Nowadays you can get a 500 gb external hard-drive which plugs straight into a usb port - if the pc or ;aptop is connected to your tv or large lcd screen then your made - none of this worrying what dvd disc format to buy & then all the extra expense as to what machine to buy to run the discs. No I think the war has lingered on far too much now and all the investment they have put into each of the formats the said companies are going to be left with egg on their faces as the portable hard-drive is the way to go. Even SD cards & usb sticks are getting much more storage on them 4gb and upwards.

I just bought a Toshiba HD-A3 and I'm loving it! I got it for $159 at Amazon along with 10 free movies. True, they picked the movies mostly but hey, 10 free ones so why not, and of course I added my first choice, Planet Earth.

I finally made the decision to go HD-DVD because of price mainly. The picture and sound quality is stunning to say the least but I'm sure Blu-ray is too. The problem is the two standards and what it is causing.

Each camp is coming in with their own titles like Blu-ray with Spiderman. I really don't like that but what can I do? The br folks are losing money to me because of their titles that only play on br.

As far as I am concerned and what I've put together with all the research I have done concerning the two formats is this:
Neither format will "win" and we will forever have two. That means that if we want the "other" sides movies we will have to buy their drive or just not get them on high def. It seems like the companies are making a big mistake in only bringing some movies out in "their" format as it restricts sales only to their brand. Their theory is that will force people to ultimately declare a winner but don't believe it.

There have been far too many sales by both to ever have a winner. If a winner was declared, the losing side's owners would scream that there weren't any movies to buy and they would be right. That would be a huge loss to the studios to say the least. Besides, before any winner could be announced, a new "format" will emerge to replace both and when that happens, let's hope it's just "one" format!

I love HD DVD, and what ever I cant buy on HD dvd cause its on BLUE RAY I just grab off news groups any way, so IM a winner all the way and Blue ray looses! HA , everything I learned on this site has allowed me to utilize technology and make my own HD DVDS!

Originally posted by JohnnyG77:

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I just bought a Toshiba HD-A3 and I'm loving it! I got it for $159 at Amazon along with 10 free movies. True, they picked the movies mostly but hey, 10 free ones so why not, and of course I added my first choice, Planet Earth.

I finally made the decision to go HD-DVD because of price mainly. The picture and sound quality is stunning to say the least but I'm sure Blu-ray is too. The problem is the two standards and what it is causing.

Each camp is coming in with their own titles like Blu-ray with Spiderman. I really don't like that but what can I do? The br folks are losing money to me because of their titles that only play on br.

As far as I am concerned and what I've put together with all the research I have done concerning the two formats is this:
Neither format will "win" and we will forever have two. That means that if we want the "other" sides movies we will have to buy their drive or just not get them on high def. It seems like the companies are making a big mistake in only bringing some movies out in "their" format as it restricts sales only to their brand. Their theory is that will force people to ultimately declare a winner but don't believe it.

There have been far too many sales by both to ever have a winner. If a winner was declared, the losing side's owners would scream that there weren't any movies to buy and they would be right. That would be a huge loss to the studios to say the least. Besides, before any winner could be announced, a new "format" will emerge to replace both and when that happens, let's hope it's just "one" format!

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You make some very good points. I think what Warner was trying to do with the hybrid of both blu-ray and hd-dvd on 1 disc was a excellent idea. If both sides stop being so stubborn and just merge and use each other to their advantages they will both come out on top and capitalize on all funds from the customers that demand Hi-def.

@Hugh:

Then why don't you do the same for the HD camp? It is not like they are innocent in terms of lies and spreading of false information.

@ Tavek: Amen. There is no point in buying into a new format just yet, eh?

Originally posted by sciascia:

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@Hugh:

Then why don't you do the same for the HD camp? It is not like they are innocent in terms of lies and spreading of false information.

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- Like what?

Cos besides the squabble over stand-alones which as I said I find a pointless argument and either way Blu-ray doesn't come out if looking good

- Count PS3s as Blu-ray players and it shows up their attachment rate for the poor performance it is.

- Don't count PS3s as players and it exposes Blu-ray for the laughably dependent-on-a-kids-game-console format it is.

Exactly what "false information" are you referring to?

I'm sorry i reported something wrong 2 post ago the format War isn't 60-40 Blu-Ray its now 65-35 Blu-Ray.

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Tuesday's announcement accompanied news that Blu-ray discs are now outselling HD DVD in Europe by a nearly 3:1 margin. Citing industry sales data provided by Media Control Gfk International, the BDA said that of the high-def discs bought by consumers so far this year in Europe, 73 percent were Blu-ray, while 27 percent were HD DVD.

Here in the US, year-to-date data through November 18 from Home Media Research also puts Blu-ray ahead of HD DVD, with Blu-ray accounting for 65 percent of high-def disc sales, versus 35 percent for HD DVD.

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Originally posted by sciascia:

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@Hugh:

Then why don't you do the same for the HD camp? It is not like they are innocent in terms of lies and spreading of false information.

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He not going to do that because he has tunnel vision to see both camps are doing the same thing.But he claim he is here to bring truth to misleading info were fact he has don't nothing but boast & twist numbers about HD-DVD & made false claims that this war was over so he really need to censor himself.If i need to i will pull past post about how he made false claims.

He usually admits when he is proven wrong, I'm not trying to attack him like hes a troll or anything.

Nextgen instead of making your pathetic little bitchy side-comments you might try keeping up with the debate.
Still, why change your habits eh?
You can always tell when you have nothing of substance left to come back with, you always start that dreary risible nonsense.

I have to say that it's rather funny seeing the Blu-ray gang trumpeting this (laughable) 'lead'.
I see they are now claiming "nearly" 3:1 in Europe.
Whatever happened to their old claims of 4:1+?

LMAO.

Secondly as I have already said it ought to be patently obvious that it is just ridiculously absurd to be claiming any kind of 'victory' in a retail disc market that sees movie sales of several hundred million when Blu-ray have sold just aa mere 1 million discs in over a year.

Plainly it is far too early for any of that sort of nonsense.....not that it'll stop the Blu-gang with their idiotic claims for one moment.

BTW I have never said 'The war is over' (ie HD DVD or anyone else has now won), actually
(that's precisely the sort of BS the Blu-ray crew have been trying to talk up all year).

I have said that I have reason to believe that HD DVD hardware sales are excellent this Q4/X-mas
(in stark contrast to Sony who have recently been caught out lying about their PS3 sales......in the serious financial press, not some fanboy game console fanzine too btw).

It is public knowledge that the industry is looking closely at what happens this Q4.

I have said that because of these excellent HD DVD sales (and HD DVD's inherent lower costs and higher profitability compared to Blu-ray) that it is my view (and I have been given reason to believe this) that Warner is going to go HD DVD exclusive next year.

I have also said that following the (unique) active vote for 51gb TL HD DVD discs at the DVD Forum
(when normal behaviour, nowadays, is for members of the Blu-ray Disc Association on the DVD Forum to abstain on HD DVD matters),
along with Disney's involvement with Microsoft and high def XBox 360 downloads, that I think it is highly likely that Disney will be going format neutral during 2008.

I also think Lionsgate are going format neutral in 2008 too - they too are linked to Microsoft and their XBox 360 high def downloading.

Unlike some I do not hide the fact that they are my opinions/views.
But they are not merely baseless assertion, there are at least some grounds to consider them plausible possibilities.

I gotta ask ya hughjars are you a HD-DVD rep lol? Because you promote them like thats your companies format. You defend all their wrongs and down play all their short comings as if they arent doing all the same things you proclaim Blu-rays camp is doing.

Well spydah I keep asking for an example of these HD DVD "wrongs" but no-one ever seems to be able to say what they are.

There's a quibble over the standalone numbers.
Big deal.

It's my view the HD DVD side are correct in this, only dedicated HD DVD players are bneing counted by them - how is that not correct?

I already said what I think of the PS3 situation.
Count them all as Blu-ray players or not, I could care less, either way it looks bad on Blu-ray.

- Count PS3s as Blu-ray players and it shows up their attachment rate for the poor performance it is.

- Don't count PS3s as players and it exposes Blu-ray for the laughably dependent-on-a-kids-game-console format it is.

.....and what are these "short-comings" you mention?

Cos whatever way you look at it Blu-ray offers nothing of any consequence that HD DVD does not match or better.

(and no, I don't work for or have any connection to any of the people/companies involved in thsi so-called 'war'.

That one's especially hilarious, simply confronting the usual Blu-ray spin, distortion & BS & saying what is correct and true in this gets you labelled as a company-man. Very Funny.)

How would any lead look bad?

Originally posted by vinny13:

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How would any lead look bad?

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- When you have 10 - 20 times the number of players out there and yet you can only pull a 60:40 lead.

That's really not very impressive.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- When you have 10 - 20 times the number of players out there and yet you can only pull a 60:40 lead.

That's really not very impressive.

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But it's still positive :P

I bought my PS3 as a games console first and foremost to replace my PS2 which replaced my orginal PS. It definitely has a plus to it being it is also a BD player for me, maybe not for everyone but it is a huge plus for ME. Just the other day I was about to buy a 360 and the add-on HDDVD player(packaged with KingKong), but I reneged on myself and put everything back on the shelf, mostly due to cost when added up, how anyone can say the PS3 is overpriced when you have to buy this, buy that and some more to make the 360 the equivalent of the PS3, just makes me shake my head.

I currently have like 67 BD movies (none of which were free promotions given to me) and my collection will continue to expand as long as they keep making movies. Overall it just wasn't worth the coin, my XBOX basically collects dust as a gaming machine, but is used as my DVD player to play my region 1 movies (US model, my PS3 is a Japanese model).

Anyways some people don't buy the PS3 with the intention of ever stepping up to HD movies. Hell most people don't even have a tv to take full advantage of the 1080P playback, yet still own a PS3. I can't see arguing for or against including it in the numbers for BD players sold, because essentially it doesn't matter if there are those people out there that will not use it as a player. Though Hughjars you mention HDDVD and stand-alone players, are these numbers not counting the 360 add-on? Serious question, because to me that is a stand-alone player, especially when it costs more than the bottom-line Toshiba player. Reason I am asking is because nothing is out there like the PS3 for the HDDVD side of the house as an all in one wonder. I still think MS cheated its fanbase or the overall consumer by not installing the drive to begin with and offered up the add-on player instead. I mean if they are so HDDVD gung-ho as they seem to be, why shaft the consumer, because they like Sony are a money-making business and don't actually care about the consumer, but they do care about lining their pockets with said consumer's money. :)

And I'll say again what I said before, people are not wanting to invest in either format for fear of it being the losing format, so what? I want to see HD movies now and not wait for a declared winner if ever there is one in the future. If BD loses which I never see happening really as Sony is a major player in the movie industry and will always support their own format, but if they do, how did I lose as a consumer? It's not like all the movies I purchased and will purchase all of a sudden will disappear because BDs are no longer made. Same could be said for the people that own HDDVD, if it disappears, big deal, you still have your purchase to enjoy for as long as the disc and player lasts. Ohhh wait the bell has begun to rung in my mind, now I see what I was missing on losing, if my player breaks and no longer have one to play all my current titles, I lose in a way. Guess then the dual format players are the ones to acquire for a stand-alone for those not sure which way to leap.

Hug, seams that numbers dont matter when they dont support you. I bet the hd dvd horn would be worn out from all of the totting if the numbers were the other way around. Thats cool that that matches the #'s in the USA for sales % for this week.

To me this is still too early in regards to the format war and we will see both formats out there for at least a few more years yet they will really have to work on the most cost effective format.