The US is in a sad state right now. They are killing us with these bogus laws they are passing under the table.

These kinds of laws do exactly the opposite of what they are intended to do. If people are already breaking the law in the eyes of these fools, people will just take the next step and use file sharing. Is the theory then, if you want music on a mp3 player you have to buy that as well?

its just the mpaa and riaa looking for federal backing, this way they will get government funding and tougher punishments for copyright infringments.

this is nuts thats what we get for screwed up politicians
Net Nuetrality For LIFE

they should shootthis down 10000 miles from us borders

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If there is one thing I couldn't agree MORE with, it's what 'vert' said......

"First they are alienating the entire world against them. Get the hell out of Iraq. Secondly, they want to impose their laws on the rest of the world. George Bush is leading America into what could be a third world war."

I respect opinions but this is not an opinion.....it's a fact. And if you are a political enthusiast that is SO BLIND and SO DIE HARD "Republican" and Pro-Bush then it's time we (America) start stoning people again, beginning with the aforementioned. I lost a bunch of friends when Bush was up for re-election because they were soooooo blind and sooooo Republican-bound that they didn't care what the President stood for............so long as they were Repubs. and I shunned them for voting for him. Now everyone I know that voted again for him is regretting it. How can people say that's what the system is all about? It's the GD BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB!!! Dem. or Rep. or Independent. Generally looking towards the lesser of the two evils. I am frankly scared to live in the country and if the opportunity presented itself, I'd move to England, Australia or CANADA (with a frakkin' stronger dollar for the first time in like 93 years!!!) in a heartbeat. I love what this country was founded on ............ I hate what this country has become.

heh. i break the law everyday. i speed on the way to work. i run an average of 5 stop signs a day. i shoot guns inside city limits. i dont wear a seat belt. i drink and drive. i smoke inside a no smoking zone. and you think that i give a rats 4$$ about some bill telling me not to do it. ill do it anyway cause i know there are only so many law Enforcer's in this world and if everybody does it there wont be any law enforcer to stop me now will there.

logic is logic. the states are playing children games that have zero logic. (the states of america>> bang bang your dead). (average american with logic>> i am but no high speed projectile hit me ow well 30 more gigs of music to go)

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will dramatically advance the cause of protecting U.S. innovation, technological invention and creativity.

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What they are passing will do no such thing. It will further hinder and stifle new innovation, invention and creativity. Furthermore, it will deplete their pocketbook, I gurantee sales will not rise with any of these bogus laws in place. People cannot buy what they cannot afford, it's as simple as that.

What it will do is exactly what it's meant to:
1) It will remove liability from the RIAA or whoever is currently prosecuting because even if you're proven innocent, good luck trying to win a case against the federal government.
2) If they actually criminalize it on a personal level, it means that there will be alot of fines handed out in addition to any liability to the RIAA/etc.
In some form this is going to likely pass sooner or later, there is too much lobbiest money for it not to.
And to think, America is no thought of as a free country(atleast by those inside it who won't believe anything but what is on the idiot box.)

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...comments made earlier this year by [...] Jeff Zucker that the creation of such an agency is critical to the well being of the country's economy.

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This sentence would be more accurate like this:

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...comments made earlier this year by [...] Jeff Zucker that the creation of such an agency is critical to the well being of Jeff Zucker and the rest of his kind.

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Originally posted by paragon32:

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What it will do is exactly what it's meant to:
1) It will remove liability from the RIAA or whoever is currently prosecuting because even if you're proven innocent, good luck trying to win a case against the federal government.
2) If they actually criminalize it on a personal level, it means that there will be alot of fines handed out in addition to any liability to the RIAA/etc.
In some form this is going to likely pass sooner or later, there is too much lobbiest money for it not to.
And to think, America is no thought of as a free country(atleast by those inside it who won't believe anything but what is on the idiot box.)

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And increase prison overcrowding. Everybody and their frggin' grannies will be in jail. And I mean the friggin' grannies too.........."Eh sonny......what's that sonny........you caught me downloadin' a pirated copy of Mary Poppins????"

Follow the money trail folks. You buy a cd/dvd from said media company, company in turns "buys" politician, company "asks" politiciains to help "save their dying business model" by creating another government dept. that will be paid for buy taxpayers to jail said taxpayers when they break the "new" "laws" that will ocming next.


hmmmm..... makes you wonder where all the common sense in the world has gone... gone with the wind... ooops guess I'll be sued for using something that was trademarked over a half century ago!

in the the year 2008 govt will approve how much we foulness removed, i am tired of this crap foulness removed

ali2007,

I'm tired of editing posts of foul mouthed kiddies.

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6. No foul language, insults, personal attacks or otherwise rude messages.

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heh. i break the law everyday. i speed on the way to work. i run an average of 5 stop signs a day. i shoot guns inside city limits. i dont wear a seat belt. i drink and drive.

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I hope your kidding.

Unfutunatly Not, to drink and drive is not bad it when your drunk that it becomes a hazard

I love how "with bipartisan support" was mentioned to try to stem the political onslaught of "anti-bush/anti-dem" comments... only to end in failure. It was in the very first sentence, and it still went over people's heads.

NO DOUBT!!!............if you're not kidding then watch out for my arse on the road. I'm a auto-vigilante. Drive like that around me and I'll run you off the road and make it look like an accident covering my own ass. ;) I like to think of myself as a 'lesson teacher'.

"foul - mouthed kiddies".............I don't understand, they get away with it ALL THE TIME, yet I said one measly word once and was banned. Be nice and fair Mr. Moderator and of course, Happy Holidays.

Off topic here but drinking one, then two then three then four drinks is how it works before getting on the road. Regular peeps can't be trusted with that decision making (except those like me). Germany has "no tolerance" law. 0 drinks pal. Catching a 'buzz' is no good either............unless you're one of the many damn fools who somehow delude themselves into thinking they drive better under the influence. Shame!

Again off topic, But DRX88, you don;t have to be drunk to kill someone or mame them. Your luck will run out my friend.
It will be too late for remorse and tears then.

They are just a bunch of greedy bastards. They already make more money that God, and all they want is more money and more power. It's worse than a heroin addiction. I hope that at some point the technology becomes so advanced that the works of everyday people will be of such a high quality that these big media studios and record companies will be just a humorous memory.

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Again off topic, But DRX88, you don;t have to be drunk to kill someone or mame them. Your luck will run out my friend.
It will be too late for remorse and tears then.

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Mhm i only mentioned it because its gonna be like that for ever. if they make it illeagle to sell or even own a copy you go to jail. its all the nonsence the authorities are being pulled for why is it required that 4 cops be at a fire when there not needed its nonsense.

there are drugs passing by but there to busy paying attention to all this nonsence...

If you follow the news you will notice the government agencies are increasingly supporting the Entertainment Industry...an EXCELLENT source for election funds! Does the FCC protect the consumers, or allow monopolistic radio air wave buying. Does the Dept. Of Justice side with consumers or the Industry? The Industry is the new and most powerful 4th Branch of US Government. Western Digital makes a market testing DRM HD. ISP's install NSA snooping hardware. ALL traffic can be read on the internet by 7 level packet sniffers. Control the means of communication and you control the population. I doubt the USA would fall if ALL the Entertainment Industry went bankrupt (Which it surely is not!) But the Industry needs funds to replace what it lost to PIRATING politicians of their profit base. Get out the foil caps and cover your ass! 'Cause I'll probably be sniffed out and targeted now! lol!

I'd like to know the names of the politicians involved who support this bill.

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'The Office of the United States Intellectual Property Enforcement Representative in the Executive Office of the President' (the law enforcement center of the Federal Government)

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That is one long name for a crap part of the U.S law system no offense but couldn't they think of something shorter. :)

At the rate we are going, pretty soon, taking a shit on the Sabbath will be against the law.

The US government preaches about the benefits of new technologies but bristles when it's not their liking.

Loyalty to the country always; Loyalty to the government when it deserves it.