I've said it before and I'll say it again...........


BOTH FORMATS ARE DEFINITIVELY HERE TO STAY FOR GOOD PEOPLE!!! Get ready to buy either 1. a blu-ray AND HD-DVD player or 2. a dual format player.

I don't see any way possible how HD-DVD could win this format "war".It's supported by basically one company. It takes triple layer discs to compete with a dual layer. It has few good exclusives. They're outsold every week. There are far more BR players in homes. I could go on and on with just this basic stuff. I've even noticed that every store I've been to(Wal-Marts, Targets, Futureshops, Best Buys, ect.) have a much larger selection of Blu-Ray titles and few HD-DVD titles.

The only thing going for them is lower production costs, but that's made up for by Blu-ray selling more and more titles.

Originally posted by vinny13:

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I don't see any way possible how HD-DVD could win this format "war".It's supported by basically one company. It takes triple layer discs to compete with a dual layer. It has few good exclusives. They're outsold every week. There are far more BR players in homes. I could go on and on with just this basic stuff. I've even noticed that every store I've been to(Wal-Marts, Targets, Futureshops, Best Buys, ect.) have a much larger selection of Blu-Ray titles and few HD-DVD titles.

The only thing going for them is lower production costs, but that's made up for by Blu-ray selling more and more titles.

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Bingo ! my friend, i have notice that best buy has put out a notice to all BB store to increase there BD section maybe they know something that we don't.While HD-DVD section don't even cover a half.

Ya around here they have their own Blu-Ray display stands with little TVs talking about it and it also has just a few HD-DVDs on them because they had nowhere else to put them. The ratio in these stores are like 6:1.

Whatever!, Blu-ray is technologically superior to HD-DVD but they're both extremely COMPARABLE to the practical implementation of the end-user. The end-user wouldn't and shouldn't give a sh*t as long as the format has a large capacity, displays HD in 1080 and is supported for a long time. IF the end-user DOES CARE then they're just being a pain in the ass and looking to pick a fight and bitch about something............which is really nothing.

There are only about 60-70 more titles on Blu-ray than on HD-DVD and both formats have awesome movies. Granted, the selection on one may appeal to the masses a bit more, but this just goes without saying. HD-DVD is much more aggressive in it's marketing campaign and as I said ..............BOTH FORMATS ARE HERE TO STAY BOYS AND GIRLS!!!!

This is not a re-creation of the VHS/BETA issue. Similar but not the same. Now it's effortless to make a hardware player play both formats and thus an easy solution is totally tangible, in fact, PRACTICAL.

Oh........and that whole list is laughably stupid, just like the list creator is I'm sure.

Top 10 reasons to buy HD-DVD??

Gimme an F'en break. None on that list give a reason to buy HD-DVD over Blu-ray so what's the F'en point of making that list. That name should be changed to "Top 10 reasons to go HD" ....................DUMBASS!

Blah Blah Blah....!!! Here we go with idiots arguing on the net again. Point blank CDs are CDs, DVDs are DVDs, etc. I don't give a crap about the format war. As far as I'm concerned you 2 are arguing about a bunch of nothing. Let me put my point across plain and simple.....whether its dvd, hd dvd, or blu ray it's the same movie. Even the old movies remade into the new formats are the same damn movie. Is HD technology for movies a waste of time...yes (in my opinion). It's like watching porn on regular DVD and then watching it in HD..... I can care less about the freckles on her hooters....the point is that it's still a damn recognizable pair of big hooters that turn me on. You guys are arguing like you could recognize a bad boob job in hd or blu ray. My God!!!!

Dave Vaughn leaked the Nielsen numbers again this time at HD digest:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=31587&page=77

For the week ending December 30, 2007:

BluRay - 61
HD DVD - 39

For the third week in a row it's 61:39 in favor of BluRay. That makes it a 2007 sweep for BluRay.

What surprised me is that even with the first 2 spots on the weekly Top 5 PLUS the big amazon HD DVD BOGO PLUS the Best Buy 3 for 2 deal, HD DVD couldn't muster a win.

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Top 5:

The Kingdom
The Bourne Ultimatum
POTC 3
Simpsons Movie
Rush Hour 3

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I guess Dave was correct in suggesting that amazon doesn't move as much HDM numbers as B&M stores thus the limited effect of the BOGO.

Added:

At a later post Dave gave out the week's numbers for HP5 and PE.

Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix
Blu - 58
HD - 42

Planet Earth
Blu - 56
HD - 44

Originally posted by juankerr:

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For the week ending December 30, 2007:

BluRay - 61
HD DVD - 39

For the third week in a row it's 61:39 in favor of BluRay. That makes it a 2007 sweep for BluRay.

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Actually it's 54 weeks straight for BD including the last 2 weeks of 2006

Originally posted by juankerr:

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What surprised me is that even with the first 2 spots on the weekly Top 5 PLUS the big amazon HD DVD BOGO PLUS the Best Buy 3 for 2 deal, HD DVD couldn't muster a win.

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I have a couple of theories:

1. The catalog titles on BluRay are selling extremely well. This negates the strong 1st week sales of The Kingdom and 2nd/3rd week sales of Bourne Ultimatum.

2. A lot of people got PS3's or BD standalones for Christmas and the new PS3 owners are using them to watch BD movies.

I also agree with Dave's theory that amazon's numbers, even with their BOGO's, may not be large enough to sway the Neilsen's. It'll be interesting to see the catalog sales numbers in the next issue of HMM.

Interesting theories, eatsushi.

Dave also leaked the Top 20 overall bestsellers:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=31587&page=93

1. 300 Blu-ray
2. TRANSFORMERS HD-DVD
3. POTC AT WORLDS END Blu-ray
4. CASINO ROYALE Blu-ray
5. PLANET EARTH HD DVD
6. BOURNE ULTIMATUM HD DVD
7. 300 HD DVD
8. SPIDER MAN 3 Blu-ray
9. PLANET EARTH Blu-ray
10. RATATOUILLE Blu-ray
11. POTC DEAD MANS CHEST Blu-ray
12. DEPARTED Blu-ray
13. HARRY POTTER ORDER OF THE PHOENIX Blu-ray
14. POTC BLACK PEARL Blu-ray
15. LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD Blu-ray
16. BATMAN BEGINS HD-DVD
17. APOCALYPTO Blu-ray
18. HP ORDER OF THE PHOENIX HD DVD
19. FF2 RISE OF SILVER SURFER Blu-ray
20. SIMPSONS MOVIE Blu-ray


Only six of the top 20 are HD DVD - 3 exclusive and 3 dual format.

This proves that Hughjars logic makes no sense.

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According to Reuters Warner is going BluRay exclusive:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080104/tc_n...QnU3yRg_k2s0NUE

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"The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers," Warner Bros Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said in a statement.

Warner said it would continue releasing in the HD DVD format until the end of May, although those releases would follow the standard DVD and Blu-ray releases.

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Ummmmmmm...................a "sweep" as you said 'juankerr' means NOTHING SOLD FOR HD-DVD. Just like a world series 'sweep' means one team wins all. Those numbers are meaningless regarding whether or not one stays or goes. They are both substantial numbers..............too substantial to have one go away.

Besides HD-DVD has not made one single ad that I have ever seen. No commercials no paper ads. Blu-ray has heavily done so and of course they are selling more. It's to be expected by anyone that doesn't have their head up their arse. Fortunately those who do KNOW WHO YOU ARE. They are both here to stay and everyone better get the idea in their head that dual format players or having two players is going to be a necessity.

"Sweep" my ass....................PUTO!

"Sweep" means 52 weeks for BluRay - zero for HD DVD.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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According to Reuters Warner is going BluRay exclusive:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080104/tc_n...QnU3yRg_k2s0NUE

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"The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers," Warner Bros Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said in a statement.

Warner said it would continue releasing in the HD DVD format until the end of May, although those releases would follow the standard DVD and Blu-ray releases.

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Here's the article from HD Digest:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/W..._Exclusive/1325

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Breaking: Warner Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 04:01 PM ET

It's official: Warner has announced it will drop its support of the HD DVD format, and will begin releasing its next-gen titles on Blu-ray exclusively.

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Originally posted by tester22:

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"Sweep" my ass....................PUTO!

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No need for personal attacks.

The Nielsen numbers are released weekly. BluRay won each and every week in 2007 plus the last 2 weeks of 2006.

"Sweep" is the correct term.

This is crap and I will find out EXACTLY what's up with those trumped up 'lists' that you all keep posting. First, NOT A DAMN website has properly or accurately sited Nielsen's supposed "list of high def. DVD sales" and seconds, none of you generally site either. So until someone can actually show ON NIELSEN'S SITE AS TO THE SALES OF ONE VS. ANOTHER, then PIPE THE F' DOWN. I have sent an email and put a call into the director of marketing for Nielsen's Videoscan department and we will truly find out. In the meantime, that BS list that 'juankerr' dropped like a stinking load doesn't seem to be the same as what's on Nielsen's site which are shown as "DVD sales" in general.

1 -- The Simpsons Movie TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX HOME ENT 12-18-2007
2 1 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WARNER HOME VIDEO 12-11-2007
3 2 Bourne Ultimatum UNIVERSAL HOME ENTERTAINMENT 12-11-2007
4 4 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 12-04-2007
5 3 High School Musical 2 DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 12-11-2007
6 5 Superbad SONY PICTURES HOME ENTT 12-04-2007
7 -- Underdog DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 12-18-2007
8 8 Ratatouille DISNEY/BUENA VISTA HOME VIDEO 11-06-2007
9 7 Planet Earth - The Complete Collection WARNER HOME VIDEO 04-24-2007
10 -- Halloween GENIUS PRODUCTS INC 12-18-2007

The DVD sales you listed are regular DVD sales - not high-def media (HD DVD or BluRay). For up to date Nielsen numbers for HD DVD and BluRay subscribe to Home Media Magazine or get their weekly digital edition:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/

OR watch the weekly numbers as leaked by Dave Vaughn at avsforums or highdefdigest.com.

The problem is they may not mean that much in a few months now that Warner has announced BluRay exclusivity.

And that's BS too...........sweep in one year???????????? Why don't you just sway the facts to favour you all the time like...........in the past 60 minutes, 100 days or 4 full moons ago. Sweep applies to the ENTIRE FRAKKIN' TIME. Up until the end of 2006 or early 2007 (when BD started actually advertising, HD-DVD was doing better and quite well overall. They are BOTH HERE TO STAY and those that honestly believe that if one wins.........then the other will fold and revamp their manufacturing line. ppfffttt. Some people really are twits and good thing they generally don't go into business for themselves.

Ask yourselves this..........If you were President or CEO or inventor of HD-DVD, at 35-40% the sales of a competitor..........would you fold? Yeah....right.......good thing that those who actually say "yes" aren't running Apple, who by the way only has ABOUT 10% of the market.

Originally posted by eatsushi:

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The DVD sales you listed are regular DVD sales - not high-def media (HD DVD or BluRay). For up to date Nielsen numbers for HD DVD and BluRay subscribe to Home Media Magazine or get their weekly digital edition:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/

OR watch the weekly numbers as leaked by Dave Vaughn at avsforums or highdefdigest.com.

The problem is they may not mean that much in a few months now that Warner has announced BluRay exclusivity.

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Just as I stated in my last comment so READ UP!!! You have proved nothing except that you can't read accurately.

Highdefdigest can't even site the supposed 'figures' from Nielsen and they are by no means a "proven reputable and accurate and indisputable" website. He is a regular guy who has a site for his supposed findings.

I'm not saying one way or another, just saying that there's no documentation from Nielsen.

I'm only saying they're both here to stay.

For the record........I am well aware that BD is outselling HD-DVD but the figures are fudged.

They arn't both here to stay because they are 2 very different formats even though they produce the same outcome. It's not like DVD-R and DVD+R... I still don't know what the difference is between the 2.

That's why they're both here to stay. Paramount presently only backs HD-DVD and others could change too. Blu-ray requires a complete revamp of the existing manuf'g lines of DVD stamping and therefore that is why some will not go that route.

Here's the official announcement from Warner:

http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/...1700383,00.html

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In response to consumer demand, Warner Bros. Entertainment will release its high-definition DVD titles exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format beginning later this year, it was announced today by Barry Meyer, Chairman & CEO, Warner Bros. and Kevin Tsujihara, President, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.

"Warner Bros.' move to exclusively release in the Blu-ray disc format is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," said Meyer. "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers."

Warner Home Video will continue to release its titles in standard DVD format and Blu-ray. After a short window following their standard DVD and Blu-ray releases, all new titles will continue to be released in HD DVD until the end of May 2008.

"Warner Bros. has produced in both high-definition formats in an effort to provide consumer choice, foster mainstream adoption and drive down hardware prices," said Jeff Bewkes, President and Chief Executive Officer, Time Warner Inc., the parent company of Warner Bros. Entertainment. "Today's decision by Warner Bros. to distribute in a single format comes at the right time and is the best decision both for consumers and Time Warner."

"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."

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Originally posted by tester22:

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That's why they're both here to stay. Paramount presently only backs HD-DVD and others could change too. Blu-ray requires a complete revamp of the existing manuf'g lines of DVD stamping and therefore that is why some will not go that route.

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Dude just kill it.Its over so lets move on numbers isn't important right now because we have gotten the results.So that proved the numbers wasn't fud as you say.

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@tester22
Knock it off and chill. There is no need for personal attacks. Just because they call it a 'format war' doesn't mean to do so literally.

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Originally posted by binkie7:

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@tester22
Knock it off and chill. There is no need for personal attacks. Just because they call it a 'format war' doesn't mean to do so literally.

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Ya jeez...

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