Warner Bros. goes Blu-ray

yea it looked obvious that if the studios didnt back HD DVD then Blu Ray would get the upper hand since sony has alot of studios in its pocket. Not a big fan of sony but if they can think of the consumer now since they are gettin more support then maybe they might get more fans or ppl to adopt to blu ray.

Well Well Well....WE HAVE A WINNER :)

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Warner also announced they DID NOT receive a payoff to support Blu-Ray exclusively. So we can avoid that rumor and argument here hopefully.
I hope Sony and the whole DRM thing doesn't plague us now or in the future.

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Could this latest move be the beginning of the end for HD DVD?

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Ah. The joys of this industry. It's like a book with a lot of plot twists!

Not lookin good for HD-DVD. Good job Blu-ray.

This was just announced as well
Warner: New Line, HBO Not Covered By Blu-ray Announcement

interesting to see if this happens
Originally Posted by BozsterHD View Post

I wonder what would happen if

1. Toshiba lowers A3s across the board to $99 now
2. Universal, Paramount and Dreamworks release HEAVY number of titles in 2008 with half of 2008 still being filled with Warner titles.
3. Xbox 360 gets integrated HD DVD drive
4. Xbox 360 add-on goes for $99 too.
5. Marketing initiatives increase to really kick in in 2008 from HD DVD Group


I still think that HD DVD can come back from this and get Warner to rebound. I'm pretty sure Warner didn't sign an iron clad contract with Blu-Ray. They probably left an exit clause in case HD DVD comes back with strong hardware sales.

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Warner also announced they DID NOT receive a payoff to support Blu-Ray exclusively. So we can avoid that rumor and argument here hopefully.
I hope Sony and the whole DRM thing doesn't plague us now or in the future.

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Warner also announced they DID NOT receive a payoff to support Blu-Ray exclusively. So we can avoid that rumor and argument here hopefully.
I hope Sony and the whole DRM thing doesn't plague us now or in the future.

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meh they can hid money and deals easily also the data regarding "sales" is quite sad there is no "demand" for BR, the reason its selling somewhat better is do to a glut of players being in market.

But still DVD will be viable until Paramount or Universal jumps to BR, 08 is looking hot what will win cheap players or BR with more titles on it.


It would be nice if sony sold off more stuff to win the format war and prop up the PS3 more, kinda remove the ogres teeth and club but he can still smash you :P

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sk8flawzz
BR still has some issues with java I think if anyone is waiting to go Hdef they should bide this year with a DVD up converter,BR needs some polishing to be worth the 200-300 for a solidly built player,plus some coding issues might popup still.

As for the PS3 sony is a bit insane with its SKUs truthfully theres no teling what they will do but hopefully they planed ahead with this(unlike BWC) and made the BR spec mandible through firmware.

I kinda wish they would relase a PS3 with ahrdware BWC and a 4X BR drive..now theres soemthing I would consider paying 600 for now that BR has lost some of its dead weight.

and ya last post off topic if you want to jade at my jelloly comments do it through PMs or make a new thread I am always up for making a fool of myself ^^

An 18mth deal for $450 million is what I've seen quoted as the pay-off, $70 million more than HD DVD offered.

This isn't good news for HD DVD, no doubt.

But it isn't over.
There may well be other moves at CES 2008 which favour HD DVD
(the rumour is of perhaps 2 Blu-ray exclusive studios going neutral).

But if Blu-ray does 'win' (at least as far as the Blu-ray v HD DVD battles goes) the the sad truth is that the consumer will lose out.

If HD DVD really does fade to a small element of the high def market then Blu-ray has no incentive to seriously cut prices, drop their DRM, to finalise the specs properly or to reduce movie prices to anything even approaching current DVD prices.

My own bet would be that in that case the wider public really will just shrug and continue to ignore optical disc high def preferring instead HD TV DVR/PVRs, 'ordinary' DVD and downloads.

It's perfectly possible that Blu-ray could well have end up with some sort of a win against HD DVD but having lost the chance to become the next DVD.

One of many of your quotes. Seems what you say and hear have little cred.


Wow, I've seen some lame claims in this 'debate' but that little list has to be one of the most laughable.

We're now just a few days away from the start of the end of all this.

Even Sony et al are winding down the rhetoric - and that ought to be indication enough that they know there is bad news coming for them.

Note the Fox senior exec who said after CES 2008 there would be one high def format.

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Note that even tho he is a Fox exec he does not go on to claim that single format would be Blu-ray.

That ought to be hint enough of some of the surprises we have in store during CES 2008 & in the 1st half of 2008 (some deals will not 'go live' until later in the year).

Tough luck Blu-ray/PS3 fans, it's HD DVD that is firmly coming through now.
The decisions have been made and the deals done and it's not looking good for Blu-ray
(no matter how much you want to whine about the retail movie disc sales situation during 2007).

I'm really looking forward to discussing the CES news when it breaks!

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An 18mth deal for $450 million is what I've seen quoted as the pay-off, $70 million more than HD DVD offered.

This isn't good news for HD DVD, no doubt.

But it isn't over.
There may well be other moves at CES 2008 which favour HD DVD
(the rumour is of perhaps 2 Blu-ray exclusive studios going neutral).

But if Blu-ray does 'win' (at least as far as the Blu-ray v HD DVD battles goes) the the sad truth is that the consumer will lose out.

If HD DVD really does fade to a small element of the high def market then Blu-ray has no incentive to seriously cut prices, drop their DRM, to finalise the specs properly or to reduce movie prices to anything even approaching current DVD prices.

My own bet would be that in that case the wider public really will just shrug and continue to ignore optical disc high def preferring instead HD TV DVR/PVRs, 'ordinary' DVD and downloads.

It's perfectly possible that Blu-ray could well have end up with some sort of a win against HD DVD but having lost the chance to become the next DVD.

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Such pointless and wasteful format wars are capitalism at its most pathological. All they do is drive up costs and limit choices for consumers... some of who will end up with huge investments in a market loser. The notion that such competition is healthy is bizarre. Take the Beta vs VHS war. One had a better picture the other longer run time. No matter who won, neither had the best ideas of both design teams. When only the inferior compete, only the inferior can win.

And remember Reagan's attempt to let the market decide a format for AM-stereo? Broadcasters didn't want to invest if they were not sure listeners could decode their signal... and consumers didn't want to invest if their radio could not get all the stereo AM stations. In this case AM-stereo pretty much died though there were some lame attempts in the mid-90's to reintroduce it.

The better way is to force industry to cooperate on a common standard right from the start... one that incorporates the best ideas in the industry... and let them figure out the royalties.

Hardware and software will be standardized so no one is afraid of making an investment. Prices will be cheaper and movie selection better at store since they don't have to carry duplicate titles.

Glass, dont make me lose faith in humanity by spreading the dumb! You may as well have just said "OH MAN VHS IS GOIN DOWN ANYDAY NOW! WOOT BETA FTW!" The writing is on the wall. Of course nothing is sure, but to hear this news and say "HDDVD is gonna trounce them based on a little bit of speculation where you must read between the lines, on tuesday, with red socks on, while holding a brick of cheese, singing "baby got back", and rubbing your stomach." If nobody sees it but you, we, as society, deem you insane. You're insane dude.

seagrave
Is that not how captilisim works?
Both sides hording their abilities to out do the other on the market one wins one falls, this is the way of life.

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Glass, dont make me lose faith in humanity by spreading the dumb! You may as well have just said "OH MAN VHS IS GOIN DOWN ANYDAY NOW! WOOT BETA FTW!" The writing is on the wall. Of course nothing is sure, but to hear this news and say "HDDVD is gonna trounce them based on a little bit of speculation where you must read between the lines, on tuesday, with red socks on, while holding a brick of cheese, singing "baby got back", and rubbing your stomach." If nobody sees it but you, we, as society, deem you insane. You're insane dude.

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here's what killed hd-dvd.....PIRATES

Blu-Ray's biggest rival is DVD.
Blu-Ray will have to drop prices of disks to near DVD levels to get consumers interested.However,people can buy DVD's from around the world and can back them up/transfer them to their mobile players if they wish.In that respect,Blu-Ray is 10 steps behind DVD and will be indefinitely.

Seagrave- go to school, take economics. Everything you just said defys all rational thought.

I make bikes, you make bikes. Because we COMPETE I have to sell for less to make sure I can eat tonight. You make yours better so people buy yours so you can eat. Now both bikes are getting better and cheaper due to competition.

Same thing as the players and discs. Discs are made due to profit perspective, loss today maybe but great profit later. Thats called "risk vs reward". Now the discs will only be made where companies think they will make the most profit. If a company pays them more to make the discs only for their player you factor that in as profit. So discs are being made and support is adequate enough to not need any sort of government intervention.

What you just said breaks down to socialism and or communism. Read the post on China that happened today. That is the result of the slippery slide of the government or some committee making your choices for you. One company makes all the money and prices at whatever they want and the customer has to pay it out.

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An 18mth deal for $450 million is what I've seen quoted as the pay-off, $70 million more than HD DVD offered.

This isn't good news for HD DVD, no doubt.

But it isn't over.
There may well be other moves at CES 2008 which favour HD DVD
(the rumour is of perhaps 2 Blu-ray exclusive studios going neutral).

But if Blu-ray does 'win' (at least as far as the Blu-ray v HD DVD battles goes) the the sad truth is that the consumer will lose out.

If HD DVD really does fade to a small element of the high def market then Blu-ray has no incentive to seriously cut prices, drop their DRM, to finalise the specs properly or to reduce movie prices to anything even approaching current DVD prices.

My own bet would be that in that case the wider public really will just shrug and continue to ignore optical disc high def preferring instead HD TV DVR/PVRs, 'ordinary' DVD and downloads.

It's perfectly possible that Blu-ray could well have end up with some sort of a win against HD DVD but having lost the chance to become the next DVD.

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An 18mth deal for $450 million is what I've seen quoted as the pay-off, $70 million more than HD DVD offered.

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Ludikhris
is it good for the goverment to saction monopolies via regulation and nurture it via tuning a blind eye since it gets plenty of kickback by fees from it, or have things alway been like that?

the goverment should be hands off unless price gouging goes on and even then they should put pressure on the corporations not "regulate" it.....

Everybody wait. Hug says it aint over. Business as usual. Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here. This is just a 12 inch flesh woond to the throat.

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Everybody wait. Hug says it aint over. Business as usual. Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here. This is just a 12 inch flesh woond to the throat.

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50>30 why is so hard to understand

it doens't mather if movies are only 25 probably in a couple of years they will be 35 and that's when every blu-ray user will say i told u so!

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Everybody wait. Hug says it aint over. Business as usual. Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here. This is just a 12 inch flesh woond to the throat.

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50>30 why is so hard to understand

it doens't mather if movies are only 25 probably in a couple of years they will be 35 and that's when every blu-ray user will say i told u so!

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50>30 why is so hard to understand

it doens't mather if movies are only 25 probably in a couple of years they will be 35 and that's when every blu-ray user will say i told u so!

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An 18mth deal for $450 million is what I've seen quoted as the pay-off, $70 million more than HD DVD offered.

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But it isn't over.
There may well be other moves at CES 2008 which favour HD DVD
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where's hughjars?lmao.i thought there was gonna be a HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT AT CES FOR HD-DVD.lol its over.blu-ray wins then ps3 wins because of blu-ray integrated player.lmao suckers who bought hd-dvd players.

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There may well be other moves at CES 2008 which favour HD DVD
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CES HD DVD Event canceled due to Warner announcement

I just received an email from the HD DVD Promotion Group stating that the CES 2008 HD DVD press event has been canceled. The recent Blu-ray exclusive announcement from Warner is cited as the reason for the event being canceled. You can find the full text of the notice below.

Notice of CES Press Conference Cancellation by North American HD DVD Promotion Group


“Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD’s commitment to quality and affordability – a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format.

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There may well be other moves at CES 2008 which favour HD DVD
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This is highly doubtful since the HD DVD Promotion Group has just officially cancelled their 2-hour CES Press event at the Wynn.

http://wesleytech.com/ces-hd-dvd-event-c...nouncement/483/

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CES HD DVD Event canceled due to Warner announcement

I just received an email from the HD DVD Promotion Group stating that the CES 2008 HD DVD press event has been canceled. The recent Blu-ray exclusive announcement from Warner is cited as the reason for the event being canceled. You can find the full text of the notice below.

Notice of CES Press Conference Cancellation by North American HD DVD Promotion Group


“Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD’s commitment to quality and affordability – a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format.

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@Ludikhris
Enough with the personal attacks.
It really boggles my mind why these news articles on the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD get so heated so let's take it down a notch and be civil.

What irritates me is the timing of this announcement. It shows very little concern for your customer's interest to make this decision public just barely over a week after Christmas. How many people got HD DVD players for a present which now has the very real potential to be obsolete? They should have said something before the holiday.

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What irritates me is the timing of this announcement. It shows very little concern for your customer's interest to make this decision public just barely over a week after Christmas. How many people got HD DVD players for a present which now has the very real potential to be obsolete? They should have said something before the holiday.

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I totally agree Redux. I've heard a lot of users saying "I won't buy this because DRM is anticonsumer. The problem is that DRM is pro-dev. So studios will want to develop where the content is more protected. Where the content is the consumers will follow. The very small amount of people that truly care about DRM will be outnumbered by those that buy their media from outlets and use it as intended.

My only concern is I will have to remain with DVDs to get my content from disc to iPod. I won't pay twice. The studios should fix this.

I'm not a HD-DVD nor a Blu-Ray fan/fanboy but have always stated that if all studios supported both formats and drop the prices of stand-alone players then a true winner would emerge a lot quicker than the way the "war" has been fought thus far. Let the people decide which way they want to go instead of the studios deciding for us. It sucks for fans of one format over the other that can't get certain titles that they might want b/c the studio is on the "other camp". Because of this reason I'll gladly stick to regular "old" DVD for now.

When is Bill Gates stepping in? I mean if sony is behind BR with the ps3 BR drive built in why not an Xbox with a HD Dvd drive built in and make some kill, i dont see how having 2 formats is good for competition, it only brings confusion, competition the way i see it is having one format so everybody can enjoy the technology and the common people can buy the hardware making no mistake about it, while the studios kill themselves in order to give us good quality movies, desirable set boxes, trilogies, discs with collectible items, movie memorabilia, studios giving us movies with subtitles and audio track choices, featurettes, interactive stuff, special software, games relative to the movie or whatever, just my 2 cents.

**clear throat** um hughjars told me they were going HD-DVD exclusive, lol, i knew this would happen, another step closer to blu-ray being the winner and the new standard.

Peace

hughjars, i dont hate you nor do i not like you, i respect that you stick up for your chosen format, but i would recommend that you do not post in this thread, it will save alot of flaming and fighting, so for your own sake man, stay out.

Peace man

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hughjars, i dont hate you nor do i not like you, i respect that you stick up for your chosen format, but i would recommend that you do not post in this thread, it will save alot of flaming and fighting, so for your own sake man, stay out.

Peace man

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First thing: Seagrave you have GOT to learn some basic economics. Everything you said shows a breathtaking ignorance of the market economy (that you used the "term" capitalism shows just how lacking your economic education is; the days of the individual "capitalist" passed long ago, before 1800...)

In my opinion, if the format war isn't solved, the entire business model of selling consumers small, plastic discs may become obsolete.

If and when truly high speed 'Net connections become available (say 10MB/s download speed and up), movies will be downloaded either to PC or to a set-top Tivo-like box.

The days of entertainment delivered via objects is on a short road (more or less) to extinction. High speed delivery is the future.

I just bought a Toshiba HD-DVD player (the AD-30 unit) right before Christmas. I had been considering BR, but problems with BD+, as well as the inclusion of Region Coding and problems with the specs led me to go HDDVD.

While I'm disappointed with TimeWarner's decision (guess there'll be no HD-DVD versions of Lord of the Rings, :o( ), I'm glad TimeWarner released the "final" cut, 5-disc Blade Runner set on HD. (the reformatted version looks amazing, it simply pops off the screen).

My Toshiba unit's upconversion is fantastic. SDVDs look a lot better. I admit that I was skeptical about the whole up-conversion thing, but it really does work.

I agree with the one studio exec who remarked that most people aren't going to replace SDVDs with hi-def discs. And he's right. I'm not going to run out and buy every Coen brothers' film on HiDef again. William H. Macy in 1080 (i or p) 600% clearer isn't going to make Fargo any funnier.

I would fret too much HD-DVD owners. Lower cost dual BR/HD units are supposed to be available the middle of this year. Thus, IF BR turns out to be the next "standard" (and I think that conclusion is premature--at best), dual players will ease the transition.

If, however, neither format manages to become the monopoly (perhaps a Coke-Pepsi siutation with a 70-30 market split), that is the best result for the consumer.

I almost bought BR because my daughter wanted a console system, so I was considering the PS3. However, I'm not really a console player (I have $3000 PC I built mostly with gaming in mind) and I've never liked Sony's creation of its own "DRM" (Arccos/Puppetlock) as well as the fiasco with "protected" CD-DAs that turned out to be total garbage.

Redux79 has got it right: the good folks at Slysoft have already defeated AACS (used by both HD & BR) as well as BR's region coding. Hopefully their software will soon be able to play back up copies on stand-alones, without the computer having to be attached to the HDTV (pls...correct me if I'm wrong).

Until the dust settles--if it ever does--on the "format war", those who chose HDDVD are not suckers yet. Toshiba's player is solid, the upconversion feature is 5-star. And many, many movies are available in the format and studios are still releasing titles.

HDDVD is far from dead. BR far from victorious.

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hughjars, i dont hate you nor do i not like you, i respect that you stick up for your chosen format, but i would recommend that you do not post in this thread, it will save alot of flaming and fighting, so for your own sake man, stay out.

Peace man

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Ya wheew... You should pack up and leave town for a while... 'Think some things over :P

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hughjars. This is what you get for talking on and on and on. I stay out of most of these threads because of you. I am happy you havn't decided to join this one. So when are you buying a blu-ray player. I suggest the S300. Mine works awesome. Better start offloading your hddvd's on ebay.

I agree that HD-DVD should not be counted out just yet, but this is a major major victory for the Blu-ray camp. Hopefully for HD-DVD, this doesn't start a domino like chain reaction among the major studios left backing them, or, like someone said before about cashing in your HD-DVDs on ebay, people don't start flooding ebay with sales of their HD-DVDs. I'd say the next three days are critical to HD-DVD's chances of overtaking SD-DVD as the new standard.

i agree with redux, this is all about drm (copy protection). the movie studios have people on the pay roll to come to sites just like this. ive also noticed that toshiba has had a burner and verbatim has had hd media for quite sometime but none are available for sale (here in the states). this makes me go hmmmmm. yes i think big buisness will make up our minds for us. the only way hddvd will stay alive is if they come out with a comparable or better copy protection than bd+.

HD DVD shoud offer 17 free car washes with the buy of one HD DVD, that will get people going...

i cant believe this, my local news channel just advised people not to buy hddvd players. this has got to be a first. if toshiba and microsoft have any brains at all, they will make sure there is a dvd drive that will read bddvd rom (blueray) and burn hddvd, and flood the market with hddvd media, and sell them both dirt cheap. slysoft will take care of the rest.

wow. and i tought i was the only one who flat out disliked hughjars fanatism. in every thread he had to come in and bash the ps3, blu ray or anything not related to hd dvd. im glad im not the only one. im surprise the moderators havent told any of you to stop it. hahaha

Somewere i have read that with Warner Bros Blu-Ray have reached the 75% of the movie industry.
If sony loose that chance to win the format war then sony would be just incapable to win any war at all console/media.

Wow, all the PS3 fanatics stroking each other's ego (wow, what skill guys, you guessed that your preferred game console might be attached to the winning side in this, how impressive).

Enjoy it whle you can.

There's wrong and there's wrong btw.
The truth is I did not lie.
Up until the start of this week I was right.

HD DVD did have it all agreed with Warner......

...... right up until this week and then a certain BD studio (*ox) who were in on the negotiations (whether genuinely or to end up spoiling remains unclear) backed out.
Warner changed their minds (with the assistance of $450-$500million) and here we are.

The hard part now comes for Blu-ray.

What if people stick to HD set-top HD TV boxes, upscaling regular DVD & downloads?

What if the PS3 market (and a small amount of stand-alone & PC burner activity) is all that Blu-ray ever gets?

It's easily possible that this win means nothing in the wider sense.

It's my view that Blu-ray is the worst outcome for the consumer.

Given all the anti-consumer elements involved in BD it's easily possible that the general public continue to steer well clear.

So flame away........but underneath it all you all know that there's plenty of 'right' about what I'm saying.

yeah we read engadget hd too so we know...

Some very interesting quotes from Ron Sanders, president of Warner Home Video:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6517192.html

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"You also can't underestimate the impact of PS3 as a playback device," Sanders said. "The attachment rate may not be very high, and in fact it isn't, but in the aggregate that still adds up to a lot of software sales."

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hughjars, i dont hate you nor do i not like you, i respect that you stick up for your chosen format, but i would recommend that you do not post in this thread, it will save alot of flaming and fighting, so for your own sake man, stay out.

Peace man

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Ya wheew... You should pack up and leave town for a while... 'Think some things over :P

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lol man

Peace

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Upscaling my arse, it will never compete with true HD as theres not enough information on a standard DVD to compete.

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http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6517192.html

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"One of the things you see in the NPD data for this fourth quarter was that even with a $100 premium, BD set-tops outsold HD set-tops in December," said Sanders. "Even with Toshiba having the lower-cost player in the market, software sales remained 2-to-1 in favor of Blu-ray. Our titles were running roughly 60/40 Blu-ray and that didn't change in the fourth quarter even with the price advantage HD had on the hardware side."

"You also can't underestimate the impact of PS3 as a playback device," Sanders said. "The attachment rate may not be very high, and in fact it isn't, but in the aggregate that still adds up to a lot of software sales."

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Attachment rates meant nothing to them.

The Q4 numbers were crucial.

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Oh and hughjars you just lost one ahahaha.

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All those months of promoting got you no where. You dogged everybody that told you what their preference was when it wasnt HD-DVD you had some arrogant comment.

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I never cared about this format war because its truly meaningless. It only means something when you are a retailer or the owner of the format.

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Blu-ray was never intended to be a 'kinda better DVD'.

bluray is definateley much more qaulity than hd dvd

but they surely would be some problems associated with bluray although

cheers for hughjars, the man sticks for his word

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Very true regarding sales of DVD are still massive, alot of people still arent cluded up to the whole HD genre.
Both discs regarding single layer still does not have enough space for true PCM master audio, therefore DDHD and DTSTrue will be thee standard lossless audio codec, which will mean another upgrade to your existing AV reciever.

All in all it will be awhile before HD truely comes to its own.

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Blu-ray was never intended to be a 'kinda better DVD'.

It's specifically intended to stop some of the aspects of DVD that had (in the CE corp's view) taken profit from them.
Blu-ray is not consumer friendly.

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This is VERY true. The entire shift to HD optical discs was "rushed" to stop piracy. The BR and HD camps have clouded our minds with these discs that hold "X" GB of data for HD movies. The promise of new copy protection, and a way to charge MORE MONEY for the same old crap has these studios salivating! Couple that with the "large amount of data" making it more difficult to download BR and HD disc images/movies through the existing backbone of the net. (The theory being it would take longer to download a movie and that alone would discourage a lot of pirates.) Never mind the fact that current DVD9 discs are filled with trailers, director's commentary and other useless filler.

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About Copy Protection etc all this about BD is BS
If HD-DVD was going to be the dominate format, i am sure that some Copy Protection system would apply to HD-DVD too.There is no doubt about that.

Originally posted by SDF_GR:

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About Copy Protection etc all this about BD is BS
If HD-DVD was going to be the dominate format, i am sure that some Copy Protection system would apply to HD-DVD too.There is no doubt about that.

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I haven't committed to either format yet, but if the sony fanboys want DRM crippled devices and discs, let them have it. I have looked at both, and I really can't tell visually which one is a superior format. I think the only real difference is that Sony was more willing to "bribe" studios into using their format. I just wish this ridiculous format war was over so we could just move on.
Does anyone really believe any of these large corporations really have the consumers best interests in mind?

The age really shows on a lot of the immature comments!

If someone would be so kind as to post the official Warner Bros. link which states this Blu-Ray support. I don't believe nonsense announcements from sites other then the real source. I don't watch news so I never heard the announcement, but I have yet to see anything posted on an actual Warner Bros. site.

Why would everyone be happy about this. Lets get one Hi-Def format so there would be no competition thus meaning a standard price for many years. Lets have copy protection shoved in our faces and the false illusion that Blu-Ray is better quality just because of it's larger disc capacity.

Hughjars makes a lot of good points, prefer reading his comments over all the bashful, angry, rude comments that diminish what Afterdawn is all about.

Half you people dissing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray probably don't even have those players or even a good enough TV to notice a difference between Standard and High-Definition so why even have an input, it'll just clog these forums with nonsense and further misinform those who are looking for help or which product to buy.

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Originally posted by spydah:

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Oh and hughjars you just lost one ahahaha.

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Win some, lose some, such is life.

You'll learn.

.....and right up until the start of this week I was right
(as will become clear in time as more of this story comes out......what do you think Toshiba's contract comments are about, hmmmm?).

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All those months of promoting got you no where. You dogged everybody that told you what their preference was when it wasnt HD-DVD you had some arrogant comment.

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I spent some of my time here putting counter-points to the wave of PS3 fanboy Blu-ray exaggeration, lies, ignorance and unjustified slamming of HD DVD.

I put forward my (informed) POV and the facts as I knew them. That's all.

I merely "dogged" those idiots every time they came here to spread their exaggeration, lies, ignorance and unjustified slamming of HD DVD. That's all.

I had every respect for people who honestly held a different POV and respected an honest disagreement in POVs (which does not mean I had to change mine - nor expected others to change theirs necessarily).

I had little or none for the obvious game console fanboy crowd and still do not.

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Originally posted by chubbyInc:

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Half you people dissing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray probably don't even have those players or even a good enough TV to notice a difference between Standard and High-Definition so why even have an input, it'll just clog these forums with nonsense and further misinform those who are looking for help or which product to buy.

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Originally posted by red2tango:

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you're crazy.nobody ever bashed hd-dvd.it was you who always bashed Blu-ray on every single news topic that appeared.

"Blah Blah Blah and Blu-ray players are expensive.HD-DVD Players are $100 dollars so it's obvious they're going to win Blah Blah Blah.

YOU ARE THE FANBOY!

Warner went over to Blu-ray because of its sales. There was no money involved unlike HD-DVD's side (cough cough Microsoft?).

Get a grip and go buy yourself a Blu-ray player.

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Hughjars, I'm on your side. You win some, and lose some. I have always been an HD-DVD fan, and never once did I think that this would end up in their favor. HD-DVD eventually would have been the wiser choice for consumers, but money talks, and Sony paid. This IS a huge blow to the HD community. It is a shame that so many people agreed on how much BR is better than HD-DVD. I guess they are blinded by the expensive, software corrupted players. Screw Sony, PS3, and BR. Never have owned Sony equipment, and never will. Live it up guys. Sony finally wins one. And what a shame it is.

Indeed a sad day for HD DVD, but even so Blu-Ray supporters should be objective and keep in mind that it's you as consumers that will suffer and lose out. If HD DVD really does losses the high def market then Blu-Ray has no incentive to seriously cut prices for their BD players and movies, even adoping a more consumer friendly policy by dropping their DRM such as BD+ and Regional Coding, even to finalise the specs properly that none of their current BD players has.

It's sad that you as consumers failed to recognize that HD DVD offered you a much more consumer friendly scenario than Blu-Ray right from the start, with full specs players even with top grade upscaling SD DVD capabilities at much more accesible prices, movies with no Regional Coding even HD DVD/SD DVD combos, all of this was done to let you know that they were looking out to favour consumers more than movie studio's interests.

If people are irritated with the timing of Warner's announcement, then it's about time you should realize that movie studios have very little concern for your customer's interest (yes, they should had announced this before Christmas) don't allow this to blind you from the fact that Blu-Ray is not consumer-friendly, that has used you as beta testers with unfinished products that eventually will be useless, that it's intent is to cripple your freedom to use and view movies as you wish to, and has only movie studios interests in mind.

DVD sales are down not because people were waiting for a resolution in the HD media war, but rather the lack of appealing titles worth purchasing. In previous years DVD sales were much higher because of the release of blockbuster classic 80s and 90s titles, but know that pretty much everybody owns those movies they wished for on DVD, there are less options to choose from, since only a few of the new releases are worth buying.

When you add to this the overpricing of DVD, HD DVD and Blu-Ray titles, most consumers have avoided double dipping for a ultimate extreme collectors special re-release of a movie they already own, even if that movie is now availible on HD DVD or Blu-Ray... simple as that.

Currently a HD DVD / Blu-Ray edition is priced almost twice than a DVD special edition... we should make it clear that we are all tired of paying DRM overpriced DVD movies, and in order to keep buying from them, we need a significant reduction in price, specially if they want us to support HD DVD and Blu-Ray in the following years.

Nobody is disputing that HD DVD / Blu-Ray offers an improvement in audiovisual quality compared to DVD, but keep in mind that such improvement isn't enough to justify buying the same movies again at even higher prices than we did (and still do) for them in DVD format, specially when you can achieve similar results (not equal) viewing current DVD titles throw upscaling DVD players.

I believe that the best option is if indeed the winner of the HD format war is Blu-Ray, it should work simultaneously with DVD for the next 10+ years, rather than trying to debunk DVD as the dominant vehicle for consumer video. Because billions around the world have at least one DVD player at home, with their own DVD movies and TV series collection, which could go from hundreds to thousands of titles, which you can back them up/transfer them to mobile players if you wish, much quicker and easier than HD DVD / Blu-Ray movies.

The fact is that more than 95% of consumers don't feel the rush to replace their DVD titles to even more overpriced HD DVD / Blu-Ray titles, nor spending thousands of $$$'s to upgrade all their equipment, merely because of an audiovisual improvement, there should be more than that, specially when the movie studios expect us to pay full price again for a movie we already own.

Reducing current retail prices by half and allow consumers to choose either a special DVD edition at $10-15 SRP or an HD DVD / Blu-Ray edition at $20-25 SRP, will appeal consumers to buy more movies than they currently do (even double dipping already own titles) and undeniably stores could offer discount prices to promote higher sales... otherwise it's you as consumers that will suffer and lose out.

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Hughjars, I'm on your side. You win some, and lose some. I have always been an HD-DVD fan, and never once did I think that this would end up in their favor. HD-DVD eventually would have been the wiser choice for consumers, but money talks, and Sony paid. This IS a huge blow to the HD community. It is a shame that so many people agreed on how much BR is better than HD-DVD. I guess they are blinded by the expensive, software corrupted players. Screw Sony, PS3, and BR. Never have owned Sony equipment, and never will. Live it up guys. Sony finally wins one. And what a shame it is.

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The prices of Blu-Ray movies aren't going to go up too much now... I don't know what you guys are thinking. They try to find new ways for cheaper production all the time. As it gets lower and lower prices will drop. Right now as it was in one artical there aren't to many disc companies producing any of these formats because of this stupid "war". Now with these better odds of Blu-Ray being the replacement for DVD within the next 10 years, surely some of these companies will begin to jump on board.

As for stand-alones, same thing applies. I guarentee you that we will be seeing cheaper BR players by next Christmas as some of the cheaper brands like Sanyo and RCA as well as the store brands jump in too.

BD players from the China Group have already been Pre-CES anounced. Competition from all of the BD CE's will lower prices. With HD DVD now gone, only one competing CE has been removed. There is no reason that Tosh cant start making Blu players in the near furture.

Indeed a sad day for HD DVD, but even so Blu-Ray supporters should be objective and keep in mind that it's you as consumers that will suffer and lose out. If HD DVD really does losses the high def market then Blu-Ray has no incentive to seriously cut prices for their BD players and movies, even adoping a more consumer friendly policy by dropping their DRM such as BD+ and Regional Coding, even to finalise the specs properly that none of their current BD players has

as if hd dvd wouldb't be expensive try to look from other side i don't why a single company sony is targetted , i know sony is wrong but every other company is wrong, not only sony

I would like to see the official word on the pay off (if any) sony made to get Warner to jump, and I'm not talking about stupid fanboy claims and unofficial numbers or 'news' articles. Give some cold hard proof of a pay off and the real numbers involved.

Although, even with proof of a pay off, saying so is a moot point, I'm sure nobody has forgotten the $150M Paramount deal.

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I would like to see the official word on the pay off (if any) sony made to get Warner to jump, and I'm not talking about stupid fanboy claims and unofficial numbers or 'news' articles. Give some cold hard proof of a pay off and the real numbers involved.

Although, even with proof of a pay off, saying so is a moot point, I'm sure nobody has forgotten the $150M Paramount deal.

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Originally posted by sciascia:

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I would like to see the official word on the pay off (if any) sony made to get Warner to jump, and I'm not talking about stupid fanboy claims and unofficial numbers or 'news' articles. Give some cold hard proof of a pay off and the real numbers involved.

Although, even with proof of a pay off, saying so is a moot point, I'm sure nobody has forgotten the $150M Paramount deal.

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holy batman!

Originally posted by sciascia:

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I would like to see the official word on the pay off (if any) sony made to get Warner to jump, and I'm not talking about stupid fanboy claims and unofficial numbers or 'news' articles. Give some cold hard proof of a pay off and the real numbers involved.

Although, even with proof of a pay off, saying so is a moot point, I'm sure nobody has forgotten the $150M Paramount deal.

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I think it was 2 billion and a free PS3.

Ebay just went HD DVD exclusive!!!

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I would like to see the official word on the pay off (if any) sony made to get Warner to jump, and I'm not talking about stupid fanboy claims and unofficial numbers or 'news' articles. Give some cold hard proof of a pay off and the real numbers involved.

Although, even with proof of a pay off, saying so is a moot point, I'm sure nobody has forgotten the $150M Paramount deal.

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- $1+ billion split between Fox & Warner.

Of course you won't be seeing "official word"of it anywhere and you won't be seeing it on any results balance sheet either.

(just as there is no actual proof af the Paramount deal to be seen on any balance sheet - which, if anecdotal comment is true, in any event was a deal involving publicity on behalf of; not a direct payment to anyone - these guys can easily hide that sort of thing if they want to, even sums like $1+ billion).

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Originally posted by glasssd:

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Ebay just went HD DVD exclusive!!!

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Originally posted by sciascia:

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I would like to see the official word on the pay off (if any) sony made to get Warner to jump, and I'm not talking about stupid fanboy claims and unofficial numbers or 'news' articles. Give some cold hard proof of a pay off and the real numbers involved.

Although, even with proof of a pay off, saying so is a moot point, I'm sure nobody has forgotten the $150M Paramount deal.

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- $1+ billion split between Fox & Warner.

Of course you won't be seeing "official word"of it anywhere and you won't be seeing it on any results balance sheet either.

(just as there is no actual proof af the Paramount deal to be seen on any balance sheet - which, if anecdotal comment is true, in any event was a deal involving publicity on behalf of; not a direct payment to anyone - these guys can easily hide that sort of thing if they want to, even sums like $1+ billion).

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Ebay just went HD DVD exclusive!!!

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Originally posted by hughjars:

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these guys can easily hide that sort of thing if they want to, even sums like $1+ billion).

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I checked ebay and they still have blu-ray. So what do you mean they gone HDDVD exclusive???

Originally posted by rainofire:

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I checked ebay and they still have blu-ray. So what do you mean they gone HDDVD exclusive???

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New Line is also Going Blu-Ray EXCLUSIVE!!!!

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978...oryid=1009&cs=1
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=808

Following Warner's lead, sister company New Line has confirmed that it will support Blu-ray Disc high def releases exclusively. New Line has previously delayed their day-and-date new releases on HD DVD due to the format's lack of region coding, effectively making titles such as Shoot 'em Up, Hairspray, and Rush Hour 3 exclusive to Blu-ray. Although a 2008 release slate for the studio has not been released, an announcement may be possible at this year's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.


Sorry Hughjars. Burn hddvd Burn.

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New Line is also Going Blu-Ray EXCLUSIVE!!!!

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978...oryid=1009&cs=1
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=808

Following Warner's lead, sister company New Line has confirmed that it will support Blu-ray Disc high def releases exclusively. New Line has previously delayed their day-and-date new releases on HD DVD due to the format's lack of region coding, effectively making titles such as Shoot 'em Up, Hairspray, and Rush Hour 3 exclusive to Blu-ray. Although a 2008 release slate for the studio has not been released, an announcement may be possible at this year's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.


Sorry Hughjars. Burn hddvd Burn.

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Here is everyone's chance to flame me. Universal will go neutral with in this Month. Paramont will Live out their contract for the rest of the year.

Lots of ps3 fanboys LOL.

Here is everyone's chance to flame me. Universal will go neutral with in this Month. Paramont will Live out their contract for the rest of the year.

we need facts not gossip

Is that what you told Hug when he kept talking about the HUGE anouncement at CES from HD DVD. I feel that this would be a Logical decesion.

Blu-ray is on the way to just being another stagnate proprietary game console format with a relatively tiny amount of standalone & PC burner activity tacked on.

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Blu-ray is on the way to just being another stagnate proprietary game console format with a relatively tiny amount of standalone & PC burner activity tacked on.

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Originally posted by HughFart:

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Blu-ray is on the way to just being another stagnate proprietary game console format with a relatively tiny amount of standalone & PC burner activity tacked on.

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Well if Warner Brothers throws it support behind Blu-Ray then we will have a definite winner. They are the biggest movie studio. The only thing i wish they would do and i have been advocating this from day one is that if they could bring both Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats out and bring one player that can play both formats and can charge a little bit higher than a standalone DVD player that only plays one of the two formats.

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Well if Warner Brothers throws it support behind Blu-Ray then we will have a definite winner. They are the biggest movie studio. The only thing i wish they would do and i have been advocating this from day one is that if they could bring both Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats out and bring one player that can play both formats and can charge a little bit higher than a standalone DVD player that only plays one of the two formats.

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Here is everyone's chance to flame me. Universal will go neutral with in this Month. Paramont will Live out their contract for the rest of the year.

we need facts not gossip

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Here is everyone's chance to flame me. Universal will go neutral with in this Month. Paramont will Live out their contract for the rest of the year.

we need facts not gossip

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Insiders have hinted at it, but MSNBC has stated that Universal was asked flat out today about their intentions and they wont make a statement at this time. ?????

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Sony had better watch. They, unlike toshiba,are considered "competition" to warner fox and disney yet entering into an agreement to "limit" competition is a highly illegal maneuver. Just visit the federal trade commission’s website.

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/index.shtml

Toshiba by courting paramount was simply leveling the playing field and they do not own media interests, yet sony is essentially using unfair business practices to eliminate the competition...instead of the proper way by competing with, price, features, and product quality. Then, letting the consumer decide. They're walking a thin line.

Originally posted by lordesq:

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Sony had better watch. They, unlike toshiba,are considered "competition" to warner fox and disney yet entering into an agreement to "limit" competition is a highly illegal maneuver. Just visit the federal trade commission’s website.

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/index.shtml

Toshiba by courting paramount was simply leveling the playing field and they do not own media interests, yet sony is essentially using unfair business practices to eliminate the competition...instead of the proper way by competing with, price, features, and product quality. Then, letting the consumer decide. They're walking a thin line.

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Originally posted by lordesq:

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Sony had better watch. They, unlike toshiba,are considered "competition" to warner fox and disney yet entering into an agreement to "limit" competition is a highly illegal maneuver.

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Well just because warner and or sony may have sheilded themselves from a heavy lawsuit doesn't mean that what they're doing is kosher. I mean what the hell is the BDA association anyway. Its a consortium of electronic companies and movie studios. This is no government body! It means nothing.

But look at it this way. The worst thing that could happen to warner is that they are told to give back the 1/2 billion dollars and forced to make movies for HDDVD. So really how could they turn down what equaits to a spiderman release in the wake of a writers strike and falling profits. Its a no brainer for them to take a slight risk.

As for sony their ps3 sales trail 360 and wii sales and they have everything to loose so for them to try this tactict, as well, is a no brainer. This still doesn't make it legal.

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Here is everyone's chance to flame me. Universal will go neutral with in this Month. Paramont will Live out their contract for the rest of the year.

we need facts not gossip

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Insiders have hinted at it, but MSNBC has stated that Universal was asked flat out today about their intentions and they wont make a statement at this time. ?????

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Sony had better watch. They, unlike toshiba,are considered "competition" to warner fox and disney yet entering into an agreement to "limit" competition is a highly illegal maneuver.

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Warner Home Video sits on the Board of the BluRay Disc Association (BDA). This decision was made by the studio as a member of the BDA.

There may have been incentives involved but you can be sure all parties had teams of lawyers going over the details before Warner made the announcement.

This is probably why Warner is still releasing HD DVD titles until the end of May. I think they have a contract with HD DVD that expires this June.

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Look at it this way: Warner going BluRay exclusive doesn't "limit the competition" as you say.

Sony is not the only CE manufacturer making BluRay players. It has competition from Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, Philips, etc.

Warner Home Video is not the only studio releasing titles. There's competition from Sony, Disney, MGM, Fox, etc.

Plus there's competition from regular DVD, Video On Demand, and Video downloads.

I don't think you're getting me. We're talking about High Definition Disc Distribution. Not downloads, not dvd, not VHS...(thats a little joke). Cellphones and Plain old telephone lines are regulated differently because they are infact different, although they serve similar purposes. We are also not talking about content.

Try this perspective. Since its inseption Bluray and HDDVD have gone down in price from over $1,000 to (right now on amazon for an HDDVD player) $178. The movies have gone from 30 bucks a pop to bogo deals left and right. That's because there has been competition. What sony has done is, realizing that they cannot compete in price, have negotiated with the "competing studios" to sell movies on their format exclusively. This is the very defenition of unfair business practice. I emplore you to read on the Federal Trade Commision's website about competition. If the format war never existed and everybody agreed at the beginning to produce a singular format you would still have players at the $500 or higher level. Do you think bluray players will come down to sub $200 levels now? Not anytime soon! Especially if Sony wants to continue to sell PS3's.

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I don't think you're getting me. We're talking about High Definition Disc Distribution. Not downloads, not dvd, not VHS...(thats a little joke). Cellphones and Plain old telephone lines are regulated differently because they are infact different, although they serve similar purposes. We are also not talking about content.

Try this perspective. Since its inseption Bluray and HDDVD have gone down in price from over $1,000 to (right now on amazon for an HDDVD player) $178. The movies have gone from 30 bucks a pop to bogo deals left and right. That's because there has been competition. What sony has done is, realizing that they cannot compete in price, have negotiated with the "competing studios" to sell movies on their format exclusively. This is the very defenition of unfair business practice. I emplore you to read on the Federal Trade Commision's website about competition. If the format war never existed and everybody agreed at the beginning to produce a singular format you would still have players at the $500 or higher level. Do you think bluray players will come down to sub $200 levels now? Not anytime soon! Especially if Sony wants to continue to sell PS3's.

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What sony has done is, realizing that they cannot compete in price, have negotiated with the "competing studios" to sell movies on their format exclusively.

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This is the very defenition of unfair business practice.

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What sony has done is, realizing that they cannot compete in price, have negotiated with the "competing studios" to sell movies on their format exclusively.

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Actually BluRay was competing very well against HD DVD. BluRay movies have been outselling HD DVD for 54 weeks straight prior to the Warner announcement. (Just look at the Nielsen/Videoscan sales data.) That's even with a disadvantage in player prices. At the Toshiba presentation at CES 2008 yesterday they even acknowledged indirectly that BluRay was also catching up in standalone player sales.

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This is the very defenition of unfair business practice.

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Let's say Warner accepted a $500 million offer from HD DVD to drop BluRay then BluRay eventually loses. By your definition this would be a case of "limiting the competition", an unfair business practice, and would therefore be illegal. Am I right?

Actually this was what was about to happen. Warner was ready to side with HD DVD until a last minute deal was struck. There was supposed to be a very big announcement at their CES party last night - which was cancelled BTW. Let's face it, BluRay had the better negotiating team and pulled off a great business deal. HD DVD have no one else to blame but themselves for letting Warner slip through their fingers.

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I don't think so with the number of players BR has out they should have a 3-6 to 1 lead not a pitfall 2 to 1 lead, yes BR is doing alttile better but it the scheme of things its not by much and certainly not enough for a studio to jump formats on "consumer" issues

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I don't think so with the number of players BR has out they should have a 3-6 to 1 lead not a pitfall 2 to 1 lead, yes BR is doing alttile better but it the scheme of things its not by much and certainly not enough for a studio to jump formats on "consumer" issues

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The problem with that argument is that the you conveniently include the PS3 numbers when you talk about software sales ratios or attachment rates then you conveniently remove the PS3 from the picture when you talk about player sales. You can't have it both ways.

The difficulty lies in the fact that no one knows for sure how many use the PS3 to watch BluRay and how much BD movies the PS3 owners buy. The "PS3 effect" is an unknown quantity.

The bottom line is the BluRay side played the game perfectly. They knew when they had to make their moves and caught HD DVD with their pants down. error5 and juankerr are right. Whoever managed to pull this off were geniuses.

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BR has only a 60-70% chance of victory as things are.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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BR has only a 60-70% chance of victory as things are.

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How did you figure that?

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BLUE-RAY THUGH LIFE HOMIES! CRAZY BLUE-RAY FOR LIFE! N WHUT!

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if one or both go BR exclusive 85-90%.

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85 - 90%? You're kidding right?

If one goes BR exclusive the other is sure to follow then it's game over. HD DVD cannot survive without one of the big 6 studios.

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there are also 2ndary markets where HDVD could be viable thus keeping it aloft for years,

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there are also 2ndary markets where HDVD could be viable thus keeping it aloft for years,

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Let's say Warner accepted a $500 million offer from HD DVD to drop BluRay then BluRay eventually loses. By your definition this would be a case of "limiting the competition", an unfair business practice, and would therefore be illegal. Am I right?

Actually this was what was about to happen. Warner was ready to side with HD DVD until a last minute deal was struck. There was supposed to be a very big announcement at their CES party last night - which was cancelled BTW. Let's face it, BluRay had the better negotiating team and pulled off a great business deal. HD DVD have no one else to blame but themselves for letting Warner slip through their fingers.

HD movies on USB thumb drives is the future, who wants a fragile disc anyways.

Scrap the whole Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
Concentrate on USB stick which can vary in sizes (because not all HD movies require 25-50 GBs), gives the same HD quality and will last longer than any crappy disc. Think of the consumers for once.

If any company wants to prevail as leader bring out the HD-USB movie stick!!!

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HD movies on USB thumb drives is the future, who wants a fragile disc anyways.

Scrap the whole Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
Concentrate on USB stick which can vary in sizes (because not all HD movies require 25-50 GBs), gives the same HD quality and will last longer than any crappy disc. Think of the consumers for once.

If any company wants to prevail as leader bring out the HD-USB movie stick!!!

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ooh I don't know about 20yrs. I can download a movie on my 360 in about 40min in 720p hd today. I think in the next couple of years discs will serve as a stepping stone to downloads...although we'll need something to put those discs on...my biggest complaint about the 360 is that the movies are only good for one view or 14 days from download. I want to be able to download an hd movie and then burn it so I can keep it. A combo of a download service with jvc's hd dvd solution would be loads better than the current solutions.

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ooh I don't know about 20yrs. I can download a movie on my 360 in about 40min in 720p hd today. I think in the next couple of years discs will serve as a stepping stone to downloads...although we'll need something to put those discs on...my biggest complaint about the 360 is that the movies are only good for one view or 14 days from download. I want to be able to download an hd movie and then burn it so I can keep it. A combo of a download service with jvc's hd dvd solution would be loads better than the current solutions.

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You think poor people in third world countries with dial up are currently in the market for and hdtv and a high def player???

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You think poor people in third world countries with dial up are currently in the market for and hdtv and a high def player???

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I'm not foolish. I'm not attacking you. Don't attack me. I just think technology is advancing far faster than you give it credit. Think 20yrs back. We're talking 1988! What internet were you surfing in 1988?

Originally posted by lordesq:

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I'm not foolish. I'm not attacking you. Don't attack me. I just think technology is advancing far faster than you give it credit. Think 20yrs back. We're talking 1988! What internet were you surfing in 1988?

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No I don't think disc distribution is going to stop. Certainly I think the way we receive our media is going to change. We used to buy cds. I haven't bought a cd in years. That happened pretty fast too. Also we're talking about premium services. We're not talking about the masses yet. It will be a long time before HDTVs make it into the majority of households...and I don't mean digital set top boxes, I mean 42inch or greater 720p or higher tv sets. These are the people who bought playstations to play movies on and download content on their macs so they can watch movies on their phones. The target for HD for the next five years is not india, china, or Russia; its america, japan and europe. These are the consumers that will pay a premium for enhanced picture quality. Which is what we're talking about. Its not unreasonable to think that their methods of acquiring entertainment will change and change quickly.

Originally posted by lordesq:

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No I don't think disc distribution is going to stop. Certainly I think the way we receive our media is going to change. We used to buy cds. I haven't bought a cd in years. That happened pretty fast too. Also we're talking about premium services. We're not talking about the masses yet. It will be a long time before HDTVs make it into the majority of households...and I don't mean digital set top boxes, I mean 42inch or greater 720p or higher tv sets. These are the people who bought playstations to play movies on and download content on their macs so they can watch movies on their phones. The target for HD for the next five years is not india, china, or Russia; its america, japan and europe. These are the consumers that will pay a premium for enhanced picture quality. Which is what we're talking about. Its not unreasonable to think that their methods of acquiring entertainment will change and change quickly.

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