How did you manage a triple post lol. Ok i wont say much about this thread but its always the story over and over so, my view is they are dumping their stock on this player and thats the fact of the matter. People love a bargain even if its not something thats going to hold much value later.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right

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Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.

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@ sk8flawzz

mostly all sony's blu-ray releases pre november 2007 were in mpeg2.

@nextgen

both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2. mpeg2 is being used as there is little point in transferring a none HD film to the new formats and saving them mega bucks in the process for a re-branded dvd!

both formats suck and are pointless, because of HDCP you have to invest in all new equipment or your picture and sound are blocked.

ppl just, stick to up-scaling dvd's until the studios force the Hi-Def uptake by not releasing titles to dvd then just download them if HDCP is still being used, but seems the MPAA pulled ranks to quash HD-DvD because of it having less DRM and no region coding, i wouldn't hold your breath on the anti consumer DRM still being use, if sony, disney and fox have anything to do with it expect pay per viewing and a whole host more anti consumer hoops to jump through to watch your media.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....

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@ ZippyDSM

i did say pre november 2007 but you are incorrect as this inferior codec is still in use, and it should have NEVER been used for any Hi-Def releases, also to correct you blu-ray has an extra level of DRM called BD+ that gives the studios the right to run any code on our hardware to combat piracy this is not on HD-DvD and never will be used on HD-DvD discs, and this is also the reason Fox held back releasing films until this Blu-Ray only anti consumer DRM was finalised.

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http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=311
Me, Myself & Irene (Blu-ray)

20th Century Fox | 2000 | 116 mins | Rated R | Feb 05, 2008

Video
Video codec: MPEG-2
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1

Subtitles
English SDH, English, French, Spanish

Disc
25GB Blu-ray Disc

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cache/browser glitch?

I left a browser reload plug in running once....oy spamed out 10 comments in another forum LOL.

More news, "Sonic's Scenarist now Blu-ray, digital distribution format only"

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/30/son...on-format-only/

Regardless if hardware sales jumpup before the dude at the morgue
declares that the dead body ain't really gonna sit back up
and talk again, software developers are jumping overboard also.

Aside from future use for data storage format, I don't care;
just want the one to survive that has the largest storage capacity.

Originally posted by ken9771:

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More news, "Sonic's Scenarist now Blu-ray, digital distribution format only"

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/30/son...on-format-only/

Regardless if hardware sales jumpup before the dude at the morgue
declares that the dead body ain't really gonna sit back up
and talk again, software developers are jumping overboard also.

Aside from future use for data storage format, I don't care;
just want the one to survive that has the largest storage capacity.

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the diffrance is a measly 25GB if BR can make the 3 layer discs stable.

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the diffrance is a measly 25GB if BR can make the 3 layer discs stable

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Somewhere on net I saw a figure of 200 Gb possible for BR.

The higher capacity, will always be more than HD-DVD
because the data layers are closer to the surface,
that's why the protective coating is used on the BR media.

Regardless, which ever survives the step up in capacity between
regular DVBD's and either of these will be ok for now.

I see that that 200 GB figure was old news back in 2005 at this site.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-r...ion-s-division/

I could not copy the table so that it would display properly.

At that time they were saying thst the Theoretical limit for
Blu was 200 Gb and that the Theoretical limit for HD-DVD was 60 GB.

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“Both camps face really strong competition from standard DVD up-converting models, which inexpensively render [consumers’] massive DVD libraries well on their TVs,”

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that's the real format war. neither hd format will have a real foothold until they can conquer the current standard.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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...how much replay value do dvds have. you spend say 12 bucks on average which a guess at saying their 20 bucks new and then some people are 5 dolalr bin dvd hunters...

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i've never paid more than $7.50US for a single dvd movie. consider both that i've never bought the upgraded extra disc edition and that i didn't start actually buying dvd's until around '05 or so (too expensive.) keep in mind that's around the same time blockbuster and such places managed to stopped renting vhs. it's no coincidence that it was also around '04 that everyone i knew finally started buying dvd players.
3-4 years ago dvd finally took a definitive hold over the market.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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...the best advice give it till 011 before you buy in other wise you are just wasting your money.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Globe08
the point is you don't know your point is....
race has lil todo with it, BR just managed to get thier product out and make the deals to mkae it a mianstream format, HD DVD didnot accomplish this thus is aloss least so far.

Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....

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if you say so, if that makes you feel more educated about spending more for the same product than so be it im not in a position to tell you how to save money or anything of that nature. did sony do a better pr job??of course they used it to market their "game console" so right off the bat a millions knew of it.its ignorant to approach it in the way you do.better is better no marketing scheme will convince me other wise. the smart way to approach an item such as this is to wait til the price comes down if your not going to pick the cheaper equal comes down. its a product attemptimg to become the standard so prices will and have already dropped. No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway.only the newer movies attain 1080p quality IMO that is anyway. gooday sir.


and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt but for the mass public they dont take the time to search or evaluate the best price. which is part of the point i so painstakingly was trying to make to zippy is that us consumers are all sheep. even going to the point of defending the big wigs over themselves...

Originally posted by Globe08:

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No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway...and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt...

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i'll give you that it's possible i'm in the minority, but to me it's no bargain. that's just all a single dvd movie is worth. if i can buy a movie that won five oscars for $7.50 (one of my favorites too,) then i'm not paying any more than that for any movie.

that, however, isn't my point. i was pretty much agreeing with you that it's far too expensive for the average consumer to adopt this new tech. also that the industry started the hype and the releases way too soon; considering how, as i said, dvd's just took over about 4 years ago.

also, i said the same thing. "hd didn't exist in 1991!! how the hell is terminator 2 on blu-ray!?!!?!!!!1one"

Originally posted by snowlock:

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway...and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt...

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i'll give you that it's possible i'm in the minority, but to me it's no bargain. that's just all a single dvd movie is worth. if i can buy a movie that won five oscars for $7.50 (one of my favorites too,) then i'm not paying any more than that for any movie.

that, however, isn't my point. i was pretty much agreeing with you that it's far too expensive for the average consumer to adopt this new tech. also that the industry started the hype and the releases way too soon; considering how, as i said, dvd's just took over about 4 years ago.

also, i said the same thing. "hd didn't exist in 1991!! how the hell is terminator 2 on blu-ray!?!!?!!!!1one"

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Movie film can capture quality even better than HD, most of it is downscaled, due to conversion and stuff. So even if it was filmed in 1991, if they still have the film in good condition, then they can transfer it into a disc and make it in HD.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Originally posted by zippy:

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Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....

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if you say so, if that makes you feel more educated about spending more for the same product than so be it im not in a position to tell you how to save money or anything of that nature. did sony do a better pr job??

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he is wrong as mpeg2 is still in use check out my previous post with the blu-ray site showing mpeg2. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/621636#3757996

and blu-ray has an extra layer of DRM BD+, fox refused to release any titles to HD-DvD and were backing DRM-Ray from the start, as were Disney and Sony, all the PRO DRM anti consumer MPAA members.

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Blu-ray And HD DVD Support Demystified

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One thing to note, though, is that every Blu-ray player on the market now except for ones released in 2008 and the Playstation 3 will near obsolescence later this year when the new Blu-ray Disc Java Profile 1.1 standard becomes commonplace. Because older players were not built for this standard and do not have any way of downloading firmware upgrades, early adopters will not be able to access certain in-movie features in the future. It's possible this could cause a backlash down the road.

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Originally posted by nobrainer:

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both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2.

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It has been proven time and again that MPEG2 encoded titles can look mighty darn good especially if the source or master is in decent shape and the encoder is comfortable with the codec and knows exactly what he's doing.

The Picture Quality scores for these MPEG2 encoded titles are 5 out of 5 or 4.5 out of 5 (Source - highdefdigest.com). They compare favorably to other titles encoded in AVC or VC1 in either format.

Dreamgirls
The Covenant
Big Fish
Black Rain
Catch & Release
Crank
Enemy of the State
A Few Good Men
Flyboys
The Devil Wears Prada
Kingdom of Heaven: The Director's Cut
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Layer Cake
Men of Honor
Pathfinder
Phone Booth
Stealth
Tears of the Sun
Windtalkers

etc.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews_video.html

The Nielsen Videoscan numbers for the week ending January 27, 2008:

BluRay 82%
HD DVD 18%




All Titles in the Top Ten High Def Sellers are BluRay.

This is the third week in a row of 80+ numbers for BluRay including 2 weeks of reduced player prices for HD DVD. Also the third week in a row with all BluRay titles in the Top Ten.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom020308/

Pie Chart on page 1
Top Ten on page 8

New releases for that week:
HD DVD
Channels (Vanguard Cinema)
Method Man: Live from the Sunset Strip (Music Distribution)

Blu-ray
The Game Plan (Disney)
Saw IV (Lionsgate)

Originally posted by BludRayne:

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I am surprised how many people here support blu-ray. I'd say a large number of us are into backing up our discs. BD is more anti-consumer than HD-DVD. I guess you guys also don't value your privacy. Your player needs to be internet connected. Every action you do can be recorded and sent back to the mothership. I refuse to play this game.

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I don't get the Internet-connected reference, but I totally agree with you on DRM. It doesn't matter if BR can store more, when the space is taken up by DRM garbage that prevents you making a backup of the DISC YOU PAID FOR. (This has always been my main objection to BR.) Space will especially be an issue for me if they add this stupid IntelliTrack technology they're plotting and waste space with that.

I will never own or buy a system that requires my set-top player to be connected to the Internet in order to play back retail discs that I have purchased.

If I have to do that, I'll find an alternative HD source/format, or do completely without if need be.

They tried that s**t with the old, original, ancient DIVX scam from Circuit City, and we all know where the original DIVX ended up.

If SONY requires this, they are going to be fending-off a massive public backlash.

Yeah - it's unfortunate, but Blu-Ray is chock-full of DRM. Don't know how we're ever going to totally work our way around it. :-(

A_Klingon

This is the vibe I am getting, they have put lot of protections in it to show the media mafia it can be done but they are unwilling to do it or keep up with it (they sold off BD+ protection after all).

Bascily its a front.


I think the industry has learned that its pointless to work "to hard" on protections since they are broken so quickly, but then again sony is bi polar who knows what they will do next.

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bouncing like a flat basket ball.

So what happen to all thos people who buy the cheap HDDVD players?

Not buying the HDDVD movies?

Why 82 for Blu and only 18 for HDDVD?

The only reason HD DVD player sales have "bounced back" is because i saw a HD DVD player advertised for £200 with 7 free movies.

super you said it a good value people will buy it .low prices and good product will sell. ill buy one .

Yeah, but why invest in something thats going redundant?

Maybe because, as he already stated, he feels its a value and he can do whatever he wants with his money. What more reason does an individual need?

Originally posted by Nephilim:

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Maybe because, as he already stated, he feels its a value and he can do whatever he wants with his money. What more reason does an individual need?

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Nephilim.....as a consumer I believe you have stated the most greatest comment ever!!!! Kudos!!!

This is just a lil spike in their slow demize.

On a side not Vurbal is this the shoretest length article u have written you must have broken a record or something :) just kidding mate keep up the good work :)