My ISP is BrightHouse, RoadRunner.

Hey Vinnie13 (and others) Whilst you await the return of DEMONOID, try www.totalchaos.me.uk for your UK TV stuff not got the food stuff but a lot of the UK stuff Demonoid had.

They do have support btw!

The Pirate Bay and Filesharers Backed by Swedish Politicians

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In recent years, the Swedish Green Party, which holds 19 seats in parliament, has taken a clear stance on filesharing. Following the raid on The Pirate Bay in 2006, the party board released a memo entitled “Free the files!” in which they suggested to fully legalize non-commercial filesharing.

When asked about the purpose of the memo in 2006, party spokesperson Peter Eriksson said: “Our aim is to make laws in line with the new technologies. The other option is to pretend that you can go on like you always have, although it’s practically impossible. Reality has changed.”

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American dominated capitalism/globalisation is going to end, you cannot dictate to the world your own agenda, you are not world law. your countries ignorance and/or exploitation of the rest of the planet will end and you will receive your just deserts 3fold.

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Harhar. Do What you want cause a pirate is free, you are pirate!Yarhar!

Fuck the copyright-wing. :)
They can't close the internet, hahahaha!

If they want people to shell out more money for their crap, they should either lower the prices, or make better stuff.

I had a whole thing about how this isn't the USA's fault, looks like I was wrong : http://torrentfreak.com/sweden-threatene...-the-piratebay/

Still, if I wanna pirate the entire world, there's nothing short of jailtime to stop me from doing it. Legal or not.

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Democratic, statutory rights and freedoms don't apply to downloading other peoples work for free. I dislike the RIAA, MPAA etc but this isn't about defending any rights. You don't have and never did have any rights to download content from the tpb. I don't care if you do download from there, I download from there myself but I never considered myself having a right to do it legally

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THAT ISN'T THE POINT!!! If they can get one site blocked then it is a small step to blocking any other that the state or it's business funders disagree with.. FFS when will you stupid f****** people open your eyes and see the bigger picture here? This isn't about piracy (though you retarded "wah wah they are stealing" num f****** keep banging on about it) It's about freedom to make adult choices about what information you make available, and choose to access..

NOT ALL THE CONTENT ON TBP IS PIRATE YANKEE IMPERIALIST BORING FILMS AND DRIVEL RAP MUSIC.. THERE IS A LOT OF FREE LICENSED LEGAL STUFF THERE TOO.. If you want to keep whining on and on about rights to steal go ahead.. BUT.. if you want to support those who would restrict my rights to free digital (or any other form) of information then you should move to China or North Korea and find out what it is like when those freedoms have been taken away!

That is what this is all about, not anything really to do with a few people stealing some crappy films..

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First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

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Pastor Martin Niemöller

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Angry much, varnull.

Now do you feel better.

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Democratic, statutory rights and freedoms don't apply to downloading other peoples work for free. I dislike the RIAA, MPAA etc but this isn't about defending any rights. You don't have and never did have any rights to download content from the tpb. I don't care if you do download from there, I download from there myself but I never considered myself having a right to do it legally

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THAT ISN'T THE POINT!!! If they can get one site blocked then it is a small step to blocking any other that the state or it's business funders disagree with.. FFS when will you stupid f****** people open your eyes and see the bigger picture here? This isn't about piracy (though you retarded "wah wah they are stealing" num f****** keep banging on about it) It's about freedom to make adult choices about what information you make available, and choose to access..

NOT ALL THE CONTENT ON TBP IS PIRATE YANKEE IMPERIALIST BORING FILMS AND DRIVEL RAP MUSIC.. THERE IS A LOT OF FREE LICENSED LEGAL STUFF THERE TOO.. If you want to keep whining on and on about rights to steal go ahead.. BUT.. if you want to support those who would restrict my rights to free digital (or any other form) of information then you should move to China or North Korea and find out what it is like when those freedoms have been taken away!

That is what this is all about, not anything really to do with a few people stealing some crappy films..

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First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

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Pastor Martin Niemöller

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Well if that's how you fell then there's always legaltorrents.com to get your non yankee capitalist, imperialist, DRM free, on the house, public source, no license material!

Also, there's plenty of organizations in Europe who are against file sharing of copyright material..it's not just the US.

Which country you from Varnull?

Still haven't seen the real issue eh?

It's not about sharing/copyright or any of that crap.. It's about freedom of choice. It is up to my morality whether I chose to steal or not.. In an open democracy that is my choice regardless of what any government tries to say.. Unfortunately to commit crimes or not is a right we all have.

Finland now joins the ranks of countries like Iran and Canada and China where websites are blocked for political reasons. They say "piracy" but it is all part of a deeper movement to restrict our freedoms in the name of control. Next it will be access to opposition political sites, or western critical sites, or anti globalisation sites, or even your grannies crossstitch patterns because the content is deemed "unsuitable"

This filesharing BS is just an excuse to restrict freedom of information. It's only the tip of the iceberg.. and hell yeah.. I'm angry!!

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Still haven't seen the real issue eh?

It's not about sharing/copyright or any of that crap.. It's about freedom of choice.

Finland now joins the ranks of countries like Iran and Canada and China where websites are blocked for political reasons.

This filesharing BS is just an excuse to restrict freedom of information. It's only the tip of the iceberg.. and hell yeah.. I'm angry!!

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I do see your point but they are blocking it because the vast majority of stuff on there is copyright! Yes there is some legal stuff but it is a small amount in comparison. It's not about freedom of information, it's about protecting intellectual property. Why would they want to restrict information? If thats the case then all the porn sites wouldnt be around.

I'm sure there's people in Finland who produce stuff that is copyright and don't like seeing it distributed for free. You are not going to lose all your free downloads.

I don't understand why you are so angry if all you download from TPD is stuff that is non-license.

You can't compare it to China and Iran. In those places if you criticize the governments you are jailed or shot!

Anyway I don't agree with the TPD being shutdown either, I think it sux! But i don't agree with your belief that it's because they want to restrict freedom of information. They want to restrict copyright material being freely available. You should understand that my Finnish friend!

Why I'm here, God only knows. :) First off, varnull is not Finnish, I'll let them divulge their home of origin. lol.

Anyway I think the issue is NOT the case at hand but the BIGGER picture of controlling everything we do like in those communist countries mentioned. I to some degree feel the same way but entering into a political conversation here is futile and NOT allowed.

Basically our rights (doesn't matter your country of origin) are being attacked and therefore possibly threatened more than we actually realize.

Hope that makes some sense, I've been sick for over a week now. ;)

....gm

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Then they should look at making copyright material more easily and fairly available.. That has nothing to do with TPB. I am a member and the terms and conditions say that it is illegal to share copyrighted material..
Removing my free choice to make an adult decision doesn't either make me more or less law abiding, all it does is provoke a response of big brother and probably illegal state censorship.

Prohibition has never solved a illegality issue, it just pushes the illegal behaviour into the hands of the real criminals who profit from it.

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Prohibition has never solved a illegality issue, it just pushes the illegal behaviour into the hands of the real criminals who profit from it.

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That's so true. L@@K at gun control, alcohol in the early 1900's (in the states), movie industry (it's happening now....money bandits they are), what's next??

....gm

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varnull Give it up you wont win this one. eh

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varnull Give it up you wont win this one. eh

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I think that's the point!! NOBODY is gonna win except for a few DEEP pockets!! I'll leave you people to it. Have fun........

....gm

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Then they should look at making copyright material more easily and fairly available.. That has nothing to do with TPB. I am a member and the terms and conditions say that it is illegal to share copyrighted material..
Removing my free choice to make an adult decision doesn't either make me more or less law abiding, all it does is provoke a response of big brother and probably illegal state censorship.

Prohibition has never solved a illegality issue, it just pushes the illegal behaviour into the hands of the real criminals who profit from it.

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Having 'Pirate' in the name doesn't help them. They also profit from ads on the site and I know they have made big $$$ (we are talking in the hundreds of thousands).

Anyway, if they close it down another one takes its place. It's the old Napster scenario played out again and again. Napster goes down ,kazaa, winmx, bearshare, limewire etc take over. Suprnova dies - TPB, Demonoid, Mininova replace it.

My suggestion to you is don't worry so much, you'll still get your pr0n fix no matter what happens :P

I am a US citizen, served in the military over 20 years, and this is just more government control. This country along with others are allowing their governments to take away peoples freedom. It has been said earlier that what goes on with these download sites having copyright material on their sites may be illegal, but it is still the individual who makes the decision to download, not the site. Government has no reason to control them or block them or anything else. This should not be done but here goes, I put a bullet in a firearm, I have the firearm in my house, a piece of crap breaks into my house or comes thru the unlocked backdoor while I am going out the front door to feed my chickens. The piece of crap "steals" the gun, he goes and shows it to his buds on the street, this moron knows nothing about firearms except what he learns playing video games, he points it at his bud and pulls the trigger and then the crap hits the fan and goes everywhere. Who is at fault for spreading the bud's crap?
Oh by the way if it were not for TPB and some other places, and if it were not for the kind people who make it possible for me to try fully functioning software that I usually end up buying, I would not have some of my software, or books that I own now, and if anybody read my previous post about OpenDNS and TPB, it took a little time but I am able to go to TPB again.
Oh by the way, I don't have any chickens.I also agree it is about money both for business and government, and the little bit the artist, author, writer, actual devloper may see and possibly receive if he/she is watching the corrupt individuals that run governmeny and certain businesses.

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I don't know how I missed this 'dog fight'. I will put my own two cents in.

This is one huge power struggle. I can't say either side has the moral high ground. It is about rights. Does the music industry have the right to exist? Should they be able to turn the world into a police state in the hope that they can stay in business? This struggle started small but neither side is willing to back down and will continue to escolate until this really does take in the entire world. It will not end until one or both parties are utterly destroyed!

The music industry wants to keep to the good old days. At one time they were 'stealing' songs for flat 10 grand no strings attached. They actually had an opportunity to increase their wealth by selling music over the web at a fair price. Most of the public did not agree with what they concidered fair. The public is presented with a choice pay for low quality music or 'steal' high quality music for free. After a while, buying music might seem like a hastle. It is easier to 'steal' it. Even though 2 years before, you would not have thought twice about buying you favorite artists new ablum when it came out, now you do. That is a great evil.

Japan has a new law that will probably crush current P2P technology in that country. The US anti-terrorizm bill had a clause that the FBI and homeland security had the right to investigate any computer in the US without cause. I am sure eventually they would have taken inventory of all the computers connected to the internet in the US. This was narrowly defeated in the senate. Bush was outraged! The senate was allowing terrorizm to flourish in the US. That is a greater evil.

I fear the out come will be that both sides win. The media mafia will be sucked dry but not before they turn the world into a police state. I am certain they will be sucked dry. They have too much momentum to veer off in a productive course. They have set the stage for their own demize. The bigger question is are you going to allow your government to turn your country into a police state? I think varnull did get it pretty much right even though he is very extream.

I hope you all wrote your senitors to vote against that Bush bill. I doubt that any of you did. If you are not of voting age, the senators will not know that. They only care about your address. You can even write for your neighbors.

Mez its to late for that the Fools have Won. the Goverment now see's them just like they see the Tobaco and oil industry,Money Bags and the goverment will bow to there wim. when RIAA/MPAA says server raid FBI and the local Police forces are there with fully automatic weapons and Choppers and Dogs.



Its sad Really. the only way to stop it now would be nothing short of another Civil War.

Every day there are more and more bills past that will do nothing put cripple America and Her people.

Oh we do not have it bad so far. I say wait till next year! This was too close to an election. Just wait till after the election. I expect to see the US follow in Japan's foot steps.

A civil war/revolution may be in the offing. Not in the next 10 years but maybe in our life times. The whole world will go nuts! People have these insain expectations of the future that it will continue to get better. We are using up our resorces at ever increasing speeds. We are depleting oil fields faster than we are finding new ones. The newer one are much smaller than the ones we are ehausting now. The US average MPG has actually dropped 15% over the last 20 years. If you ask the average bozo why the gas prices are up and the reply is it is a plot against them. The real reason is supply and demand. The world oil supply can not keep up with the demand.

The US is exporting all its jobs and importing in all that it can. Eventually, no one will be able to pay for the imports. That is when the sh1t will hit the fan. Don't get me wrong, I thing the worlds people are entitled to as good a life as the US, CA and some of Europe. The world has a right to be angrey with the US for sucking up all the worlds resorces and poluting the air with greenhouse gasses.

Why do they even bother taking on tpb :)

i dunno. Compatition Mabey. same bussiness diffrent faces.

Just that one ruins your life and the other ruins the DEEPPOCKETS.INC

We must strike back.We must insist that any item included in the time limit of the copyright must be available from the copyright owners.If we want to buy a recording made say 50 years ago,it is not acceptable to be told it is "out of catalog" There are plenty of movies. for instance, made several years ago that are not available from the record companies. But they are available as "pirated ware" Can you imagine a record company making a glass mold for producing one copy of a cd? To sum up any item that is claimed to be copyright must be available at the normal price.I also think by law that the recording artists should get a minimum royalty of 25% on the retail price of every cd by law.

reuven25, good point! What country are you from? The US is 100 brittian just changed their law to 75. In the US patents are only 17 years. The difference is crazy! Copyrights are basicly just an idea inventions require much more effort and resorces to create. However, other companies priofit by shorter patents while only the public would benifit from shorter copyrights.

What you need to be is dilligent and write your elected officials when a bill is up for vote. We just dodged the big one in the US. A narrowly defeted bill would have allowed the US government to hack into your computer and examine or inventory what you have for no reason.