it's a dangerous game for both sides...
for every game there is a rule...you obey it or you bend it but you know what might happen to you if you get caught.
and if you get caught and they ban you, they also lose a customer...
if we're talking money,i think they will think twice before they ban you...( depending on what kind of contract you have with your isp).
the more you pay for your service ( tv + tel + internet),the hardest it's going to be for them to lose you as a customer( or should i say your money...).
we're talking around £ 70-80 / month. now you multiply this by a couple of thouthands,and we start talking big loss of money ( even though they could be giants like virgin,etc... a loss is a loss and they don't like to lose money...:)
tricky problem which i hope will never be put into force.

live and let live...

How dare they set themselves up as judge and jury! How will they know who has been downloading illegally unless they snoop on customers` traffic? Sounds dodgy in the extreme to me, as how will they differentiate between legit stuff, such as Linux distributions, personal files, etc. and the shady stuff? This will only serve to alienate both the ISP`s and the poor, impoverished (not)record companies. Surely there are going to be ways around this, such as encryption?

One ISP is fighting back!

One small step for files sharers, one giant leap for the freedom of information from the spying overseers and the still wannabe gatekeepers of our culture/media.

Carphone Warehouse stares down BPI and UK.gov on three strikes

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Carphone Warehouse has called the government's bluff by stating that it will not cooperate with the record industry to clamp down on copyright infringement over peer-to-peer networks.

In a statement today, CEO Charles Dunstone said: "Our position is very clear, we are the conduit* that gives users access to the Internet, we do not control the Internet nor do we control what our users do on the Internet."

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what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?

I've been looking for a way out of my contract with Virgin media since the day I signed it. Their service is dire & they have the cheeck to expect £50 to cancel in the fist year.
This seems like a way of getting out early for free.
Will they send you a mac code along with the terminiation letter ?

I am with Virgin, So is my neighbor about to get a warning when i use his wireless network to download mp3's?

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Why doesn't the train wreck that the UK is do something useful like stopping all the illegal immigrants coming in. You wonder why you have such have high taxes there? All those immigrants get spoon fed with welfare, health care, housing.

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Please be more tolerant. Immigrants are more useful to the country than you might think. A little research of the economics will show you why.

Originally posted by oxosbase:

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what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?

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does anyone know a good ip address blocker?

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I am with Virgin, So is my neighbor about to get a warning when i use his wireless network to download mp3's?

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does your neighbor know that you use his wireless network.

How is this going to work - can't you mask your usage statistics with most torretn software. I use Azureus sometimes you can do it with that?

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what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?

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does anyone know a good ip address blocker?

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Peer Guardian is a excellent IP blocker, which I use along with Kaspersky Internet Security. Peer Guardian is now currently blocking 772,679,600 IPs for me! They have "lists" that you can check of whom you want to block...like "goverment, ads, P2P, spyware..." and this doesn't conflict with Azureus (I use for downloading)...and the best thing...it's free...the bad thing...they are currenly working on a "Vista" version (soon to be out).
Here is a example of some IP's that tried to come through on my system... (who are these guys?!!):
DSL.net, Inc ........................ I don't know you..
Fraunhofer FOKUS CC SatCom .......... Military crap??
PROVIDER ............................ Yea, right.
Beyond The Network America, Inc...... Beyond what?
City of Lebanon ..................... I have never been there!
IDG COMMUNICATIONS VERLAG............ I might know you? No!
Bundesministerium fuer Unterricht und kulturelle ... What the hell!!
Hope this helps... Here is Peer Guardian's website to download...
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
Cheers!

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Originally posted by FreqNasty:

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Why doesn't the train wreck that the UK is do something useful like stopping all the illegal immigrants coming in. You wonder why you have such have high taxes there? All those immigrants get spoon fed with welfare, health care, housing.

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Please be more tolerant. Immigrants are more useful to the country than you might think. A little research of the economics will show you why.

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Yeah.. they come in, get all the free healthcare that we pay for, work for less than the minimum wage cash in hand then vanish off to spend all they have earned back where they come from where things are cheaper..

How is that helping our economy??.. Oh yeah.. Virtually free labour to keep the impoverished workers (like me) meek and quiet.. We have NO RIGHTS left in this country.. It's like being a Tibetan.

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Virgin - 3 strikes and you lose your internet connection.

Tibetan - 3 strikes and you lose consciousness - prolly for good.

Just an effort to remind ppl what the topic is and also bring a lil realistic perspective. ;)

We could copy music/movies the old fashioned way - 'buy' it from a shop, copy it, scratch it and return it claiming 'it's faulty'!

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We could copy music/movies the old fashioned way - 'buy' it from a shop, copy it, scratch it and return it claiming 'it's faulty'!

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that word not work because some shops will know.

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Originally posted by oxosbase:

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what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?

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does anyone know a good ip address blocker?

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Peer Guardian is a excellent IP blocker, which I use along with Kaspersky Internet Security. Peer Guardian is now currently blocking 772,679,600 IPs for me! They have "lists" that you can check of whom you want to block...like "goverment, ads, P2P, spyware..." and this doesn't conflict with Azureus (I use for downloading)...and the best thing...it's free...the bad thing...they are currenly working on a "Vista" version (soon to be out).
Here is a example of some IP's that tried to come through on my system... (who are these guys?!!):
DSL.net, Inc ........................ I don't know you..
Fraunhofer FOKUS CC SatCom .......... Military crap??
PROVIDER ............................ Yea, right.
Beyond The Network America, Inc...... Beyond what?
City of Lebanon ..................... I have never been there!
IDG COMMUNICATIONS VERLAG............ I might know you? No!
Bundesministerium fuer Unterricht und kulturelle ... What the hell!!
Hope this helps... Here is Peer Guardian's website to download...
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
Cheers!

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does anyone know what this Vista" version they are working on?

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what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?

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does anyone know a good ip address blocker?

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A IP blocker isn't going to stop your ISP from watching and following you just sites you visit will be blocked.

You would need to spoof your broadband modem which you can do with certain ones. But that gets tricky to do and you would end up getting someone else kicked off and would have to assimilate someone else’s account.

I can do this with my modem after flashing the BIOS and then spoofing someones account.

Comcast has been doing something like Virgin by shutting down bitorrents but the gov has stepped in and told them it's illegal to do so, it should be for Virgin as well. How do they know if, or if not, your doing something illegal, you may have or have bought the CD of the music you are downloading? They are considering you guilty by assumption, which really isn't new these days unfortunately.

I download a lot of tv shows such as stargate atlantis/24/battlestar galactica/coronation street for the wife etc. I have already paid for these shows through tv license and sky digital. Would these be classed as illegal downloads through virgins eyes or would these be okay. Iam with aol at the moment and would never consider virgin now. gaazzaa

i am currently with virgin ( well ntl until the takeover happend) and wont be for much longer the way there going.

they need to get a grip first they break the contract with sky so we cant watch that anymore and now this WE ARE THERE CUSTOMERS WHO PAY THERE WAGES they should be on our side.

they put this into action they stand to lose millions and i hope they do.

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I download a lot of tv shows such as stargate atlantis/24/battlestar galactica/coronation street for the wife etc. I have already paid for these shows through tv license and sky digital. Would these be classed as illegal downloads through virgins eyes or would these be okay. Iam with aol at the moment and would never consider virgin now. gaazzaa

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Technically, yes, these CAN be classified as "illegal" downloads but very, very rarely are. You'd have to be running a zillion torrents or w/e (or run a site) to even be noticed...

The deal they're talking about above, btw, regards music downloads. While any laws that came from it would likely apply to ANY piracy, currently it's not written law.

and who will police the BPI and the record companies? after all they have been stealing off the British public for years. during this entire saga not one of the greedy basturds in the industry has even considered dropping the prices down to a reasonable level. they cant have their obsurd profit margins decrease now can they.

as a student my flat was broken into, and i had over 500 CD'S stolen. being a skint student, i obviously did not have house insurance. who replaces those albums? near £5000 worth of CD's. i have replaced all those albums via p2p and make no apology for it. the industry would tell me that it was tough sh1t i had my entire music collection stolen witout insurance, well i think that downloading replacements via p2p is their tough sh1t.

i see that the carphone warehouse are not going to implement these ludicrous 3 strikes and your out internet policing. other companies will have to do likewise or they will not be able to compete, ergo it wont work IMO.

Again, how about selling music at realistic prices? prices that everyone can afford!

nah! didn't think you would!

and it gets even more interesting:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a9...neutrality.html

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Virgin Media CEO Neil Berkett has attacked the principle of net neutrality, whereby internet service providers do not interfere with or degrade the speed at which content is delivered from websites to consumers, branding it as "b****cks".

Berkett's cable operator ranks as the second largest internet service provider in the UK with approximately 3.6m customers.

In an interview with the Royal Television Society's Television magazine, Berkett said that "this net neutrality thing is a load of b****cks", and revealed that Virgin is already in talks with unnamed content providers about paying to have their content delivered faster than others.

Feeding into the debate between internet service providers and the BBC over iPlayer, Berkett even warned that public service broadcasters who choose not to pay for faster access to Virgin's subscriber base would end up in "bus lanes", effectively having their content delivered to consumers at a lower speed.

Thus far, Ofcom has made little comment on the network neutrality debate. In 2007, long before the current iPlayer discussions, the then Ofcom policy chief Douglas Scott indicated that the regulator planned a "hands off" approach to the issue. Scott has since departed the regulator for Channel 4.

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if you are in the uk and with virgin as an isp now is the time to request your mac code!

a great video highlighting why net neutrality is essential for our culture and why corporations should not dictate to us what we can see and do with Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_3WnJ42kw

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Originally posted by dabs40:

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it's a dangerous game for both sides...
the hardest it's going to be for them to lose you as a customer( or should i say your money...). we're talking around £ 70-80 / month. now you multiply this by a couple of thouthands,and we start talking big loss of money

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Exactly right my friend, it amazes me when I see the Virgin adverts for 4 for £40, I pay nothing less than £80 to £90 per month, so if they lose that sort of volume of paying customers, they wont survive long.. Also as mentioned, personally I think whatever good ideas Virgin had / have are not going according to plan, the service is terrible as compared to when TELEWEST ran the show, slow broadband speeds, and the TV film channels freeze for half a second here and there, not much but annoying when trying to get into a film...

I say stuff them.. Keep doing what we do until,. as they put it send you a warning letter first anyway, so if get one of them stop, if not, don't..

Ziggy

Cory Doctorow, writer, co-editor of Boing Boing, columnist for the UK paper "The Guardian", and tech geek has publicly slammed Virgin for their anti-consumer move to filter the web in their destruction of, freedom of speech.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html

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As a Virgin customer, I'm not paying to see those services that bribe Virgin to reach me, I'm paying to reach the entire web, whichever bits I think are useful, as quickly as Virgin can deliver them.

Theoretically, I'm locked into a Virgin plan for another six months, but as far as I'm concerned, they've just announced that they're violating the agreement by announcing that the services I can reach will be systematically slowed down unless they pay Virgin extra. That means that we're now null and void. I'll be calling to cancel today.

Who's with me?

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I will join cory in his boycott of everything "virgin" until the censorship in the UK has ceased, and in the name of "free speech" would advise you all to get your mac code, lose the mobile ect, until the corporations stop filtering what we can and can't do.

if you are with "virgin" on LLU a great alternative is http://www.bethere.co.uk/ no, filtering, with a fair use of 500gig+ per month(uploads not counted) with speeds upto 24meg.

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ive had a letter and are now paying £25 for 1 meg at certain times of the day due to downloading.. (what i have supposed to have done )but get told to gett 5 meg im supposed to get i can get back but buy a £35 20 meg.. so its not about bandwith its about them making more money

they need to focus on speeds to plans have 100-300LPS plans around 10-20$
add after 5-15GB your speed is halved in the 20-40$
range more speed higher caps.

at 50$+ it should be a premium and you are not caped at 70+ you get 3MBPS or higher speeds, there needs to be some balance and I think this is the best way to do it but if they continue on metered rates and secretive caps government is goign to come in to regulate and we don;t need that...