Get used to it. EVERYTHING will be pay per view or play...that is the goal. All formats. The sheep FAR outnumber the people who frequent Afterdawn and other tech sites. I can see the blocking of video out cards in the future...for if ya can see it, ya can capture it. Only the tech elite and pirates have a ghost of a chance. The rest will be blissfully uncaring as they PAY for each game play, song, or vid.

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Word on the street is that EA eventually plans to bring this type of DRM to consoles. Nothing says PROFIT like destroying the second hand market for console games..

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That's a bunch of bull, do you really think they're gonna institute something like this on consoles? Of course not, consoles don't suffer from the type of piracy that PC gaming does. The consoles already have ruthless defenses against piracy, just look at Sony's PS3, it hasn't been cracked yet. And it probably won't in many many years to come if ever. As new generations of consoles release, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo learn from their mistakes from previous consoles and know how to counter it with new technologies.

As long as the console gaming business is thriving and doing as well as it is right now, I don't think they plan on looking at DRM as a solution to the MINOR piracy that happens on consoles, which if used it would probably backfire and hurt them more than it would help them when it comes down to consoles. So I think this piracy epidemic is more of a PC problem. And no, the people doing the little firmware hacks on the 360 aren't nearly a problem as the PC pirates. Enough people aren't mentally capable and or aware with how to go through all the troubles of connecting a 360 to a computer..yada yada yada booting in a special mode etc. Unlike PC pirated games where you just download, install and copy a crack to a folder. So don't expect any DRM on consoles, it aint gonna happen!

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Wow talk about out of touch the PC market is he lesser amrket they are testing the waters as so they can put a lock on new games and damage the 2nd hand market.

Look at warhawk its he first game to sue a account system, it will not be long before a game is locked to a console.

If this DRM goes to consoles and the used game market is done away with, I'll be saying goodbye to video games. I have enough already now to entertain myself. I just won't bother anymore for anything new and pursue other avenues of entertainment. I'm 31 and I've been playing video games for 20 years now. I love them to death, but my playing habits have changed with adulthood/fatherhood and I am more fascinated with the technology and art than anything. So I don't play long hours trying to beat high scores. I guess I'm more of a gaming enthusiast, but a little more than a casual gamer.

If it weren't for my parents getting me an Atari and NES, then I probably wouldn't have every picked up the habit. If the industry wants to survive, then they need parents who are enthusiastic about gaming to pass on the enthusiasm to their kids. The industry has built a huge following and fan base in the past 20+ years. Not only will the video game industry lose me, but possibly my 3 boys, who I will expose to other avenues of entertainment besides video games (yes EA, kids can do other things). Instead of feeding into the hype over the latest Ratchet and Clank, I'll get them excited about something else. And if they are having a hard time thinking of something else due to peer pressure, then they are probably old enough for me to explain to them my views on how the Industry completely turned on their customers and how gaming was destroyed by greed. And if they still don't buy into my principles, then they will have to save their allowance for a new $500+ system and subscription to whatever service and the game rentals and downloadable content. The gaming business model is becoming too complicated and it's straying so far away from the model that I know and grew to love, that I don't even care to continue keeping up anymore.

The difference between my parents and myself is that there wasn't anything to compare to back then. You bought a system for $100+ and you bought your kids a cartridge once in a while, new or used in a bargain bin - end of story. Today, as a parent, I'm experiencing similar obstacles in raising my kids in a see-saw economy, but I've had more exposure to the evolution of the industry than they could ever have possibly imagined in the 80's. And I hope to pass that along to my children.

In the end, I agree with the majority of the commenters in this thread who believe that this would be the nail in the coffin for the industry.

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If this DRM goes to consoles and the used game market is done away with, I'll be saying goodbye to video games. I have enough already now to entertain myself. I just won't bother anymore for anything new and pursue other avenues of entertainment. I'm 31 and I've been playing video games for 20 years now. I love them to death, but my playing habits have changed with adulthood/fatherhood and I am more fascinated with the technology and art than anything. So I don't play long hours trying to beat high scores. I guess I'm more of a gaming enthusiast, but a little more than a casual gamer.

If it weren't for my parents getting me an Atari and NES, then I probably wouldn't have every picked up the habit. If the industry wants to survive, then they need parents who are enthusiastic about gaming to pass on the enthusiasm to their kids. The industry has built a huge following and fan base in the past 20+ years. Not only will the video game industry lose me, but possibly my 3 boys, who I will expose to other avenues of entertainment besides video games (yes EA, kids can do other things). Instead of feeding into the hype over the latest Ratchet and Clank, I'll get them excited about something else. And if they are having a hard time thinking of something else due to peer pressure, then they are probably old enough for me to explain to them my views on how the Industry completely turned on their customers and how gaming was destroyed by greed. And if they still don't buy into my principles, then they will have to save their allowance for a new $500+ system and subscription to whatever service and the game rentals and downloadable content. The gaming business model is becoming too complicated and it's straying so far away from the model that I know and grew to love, that I don't even care to continue keeping up anymore.

The difference between my parents and myself is that there wasn't anything to compare to back then. You bought a system for $100+ and you bought your kids a cartridge once in a while, new or used in a bargain bin - end of story. Today, as a parent, I'm experiencing similar obstacles in raising my kids in a see-saw economy, but I've had more exposure to the evolution of the industry than they could ever have possibly imagined in the 80's. And I hope to pass that along to my children.

In the end, I agree with the majority of the commenters in this thread who believe that this would be the nail in the coffin for the industry.

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We are 8 years into videogames moving away from enthusiasts to the mindless masses and the content of the games like hollywood has gone done. I have halved my spending habits on gaming because new games suck are are 30$ over priced. I am just not hot for new games much anymore as they are raped for the lowest common denominator who don;t care about balance,fun and quality in a product they are in it for short term lulz.

With the amrket money markets slowing things are going to get worse and if things keep going in this direction gaming will collapse in 5 years because they can not maintain the cost of shiny.

We can see where this is all going.. with ZERO resale value comments like this (stolen from a not particularly techie site) become more painful to read.

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So did anyone end up getting it? What are your opinions? For anyone who hasn't got it, would you recommend?

A lot of people I know who have got the game seem to express the same thing... good to begin with but then easily got bored.

I did get it, after some debate, and I think I'm experiencing the same feeling. First few parts are interesting but I lose interest after finishing the Tribe stage. Although saying that, the creator is quite fun with all those parts to experiment with creatures/buildings/vehicles etc.

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We can see where this is all going.. with ZERO resale value comments like this (stolen from a not particularly techie site) become more painful to read.

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So did anyone end up getting it? What are your opinions? For anyone who hasn't got it, would you recommend?

A lot of people I know who have got the game seem to express the same thing... good to begin with but then easily got bored.

I did get it, after some debate, and I think I'm experiencing the same feeling. First few parts are interesting but I lose interest after finishing the Tribe stage. Although saying that, the creator is quite fun with all those parts to experiment with creatures/buildings/vehicles etc.

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I think if they move this kind of DRM to a more mainstream setting people will start sueing for the right to resale and will win its happened before it will happen again but while the courts naw on it the companies will get billions in profit.

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Yea Spore is really being blasted on Amazon and rightly so. Even if you change your video card, this counts as one installation. If DRM detects any hardware changes, it assumes you're on a different computer. So 3 installations can be used up very easily.

If i pay 50.00 for software, no one is going to tell me how many times to install it or how many profiles i'm allowed to have.

Any game that has DRM won't go on my computer or in my console.
If all games have them in the future, then i'll take up knitting.

You must admire the creators of securom's buiness nouse.

They create something, tell an idiot what it is supposed to do then sell it to him

Then when the idiot finds out it dosen't work, they call it 2.0 and sell it to the same idiot again

In this day and age there are a lot of idiots out there

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You must admire the creators of securom's buiness nouse.

They create something, tell an idiot what it is supposed to do then sell it to him

Then when the idiot finds out it dosen't work, they call it 2.0 and sell it to the same idiot again

In this day and age there are a lot of idiots out there

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Hey EA I haz thing thing it prevents people from palying ze game....so they will buy more of it!

EA SOLD!!

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If this DRM goes to consoles and the used game market is done away with, I'll be saying goodbye to video games. I have enough already now to entertain myself. I just won't bother anymore for anything new and pursue other avenues of entertainment. I'm 31 and I've been playing video games for 20 years now. I love them to death, but my playing habits have changed with adulthood/fatherhood and I am more fascinated with the technology and art than anything. So I don't play long hours trying to beat high scores. I guess I'm more of a gaming enthusiast, but a little more than a casual gamer.

If it weren't for my parents getting me an Atari and NES, then I probably wouldn't have every picked up the habit. If the industry wants to survive, then they need parents who are enthusiastic about gaming to pass on the enthusiasm to their kids. The industry has built a huge following and fan base in the past 20+ years. Not only will the video game industry lose me, but possibly my 3 boys, who I will expose to other avenues of entertainment besides video games (yes EA, kids can do other things). Instead of feeding into the hype over the latest Ratchet and Clank, I'll get them excited about something else. And if they are having a hard time thinking of something else due to peer pressure, then they are probably old enough for me to explain to them my views on how the Industry completely turned on their customers and how gaming was destroyed by greed. And if they still don't buy into my principles, then they will have to save their allowance for a new $500+ system and subscription to whatever service and the game rentals and downloadable content. The gaming business model is becoming too complicated and it's straying so far away from the model that I know and grew to love, that I don't even care to continue keeping up anymore.

The difference between my parents and myself is that there wasn't anything to compare to back then. You bought a system for $100+ and you bought your kids a cartridge once in a while, new or used in a bargain bin - end of story. Today, as a parent, I'm experiencing similar obstacles in raising my kids in a see-saw economy, but I've had more exposure to the evolution of the industry than they could ever have possibly imagined in the 80's. And I hope to pass that along to my children.

In the end, I agree with the majority of the commenters in this thread who believe that this would be the nail in the coffin for the industry.

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We are 8 years into videogames moving away from enthusiasts to the mindless masses and the content of the games like hollywood has gone done. I have halved my spending habits on gaming because new games suck are are 30$ over priced. I am just not hot for new games much anymore as they are raped for the lowest common denominator who don;t care about balance,fun and quality in a product they are in it for short term lulz.

With the amrket money markets slowing things are going to get worse and if things keep going in this direction gaming will collapse in 5 years because they can not maintain the cost of shiny.

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I agree. My main enjoyment comes from old school emulation (hence my tag). Out of the couple thousand+ PS2 games, there are quite a few gems IMO. Does the number of quality games spread out evenly among the years of the console life? Probably not (subject to opinion), but I happen to have a nice collection that keeps me entertained. As for this gen, things have gotten worse. I own 5 PS3 games (non are FPS's - just not my cup of tea). It's all I thought were worth my time and money. The ones I own, I truly enjoy. There are more I would like to buy, but the cost is too high. I draw the line when fun of this type requires me to develop a financial plan. I fel sorry for the designers and developers who are being forced into this situation. The criminals are the executives who cut costs to maximize profit at the expense of quality. By analyzing charts and graphs, it can be determined that a lower quality product will appeal to more people at a lower cost. They think that game piracy stifles creativity? How about creating an environment of under-achievers in an industry that needs more creativity? I think that is behind what will be the "end" of the industry.

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3 instals should be plnety for you people. Granted, computers crash every now and again but how likely is that to happen with such frequency that you will have used up all of your alotted instalations and have to ask for more? And this excuse about having more than one computer? That's pretty lame. Just play it on the one computer that you use more often and get over it. I will admit that the one profile limit is pretty rediculous but other than that, I think you all are just a bunch of whiney babies who If I were a software company wouldn't want you as customers anyway if this petty crap ticks you off this much. You're so frustrated about not being able to re-instal this and or future games(you don't even own yet)5 thousand times that you're willing to boycott them all together or download the games and risk the health of your computer? That's awfuly sad to me. If this were an issue where this drm affected your PC's performance like that stuff Sony added to their music CD's years ago that really messed up people's PC's then i could see making such an issue out of it. However, I hear no rational point being made other then the one about the 1 profile restriction that I feel is even worth EA's time to bother listening to or take into consideration. All this paranoia you display with these "what if sernarios" are nothing more than justifications for ripping them and others off. If that's ultimately what you want to do then do it and quit griping to them about it. Download it, re-instal it thousands of times or hoever often your computer "crashes", do whatever it takes. Just make sure you are able to keep that game for the rest of your life and when you die maybe it can be burried with you as well. Was that a bit overboard? Well step back and think how absurd you all sound with this protest over a game half you probably don't even own and from looks of it, will never "own" all becuase of some minor ssfaeguards which I don't think are that much of an inconvenience. This is my one and only message on this topic. Respond in what ever fashion you wish. I really coouldn't care less. I'm in the minority and that's perfectly ok with me.

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Spoken like someone who has a large chunk of stock in Securom. Could this person be more out of touch? He probably believes everything the government tells him as well.

The reason why everyone is so up in arms is because they're taking away our usage right to something we OWN, when we make the purchase. I don't think it could be any simpler.

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the suits don't realize either the conspicuous nature of the PC, if they forced it to one install per buy it would really be no different.

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the suits don't realize either the conspicuous nature of the PC, if they forced it to one install per buy it would really be no different.

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Agreed. There should be no limit of use applied to something you own. Can you imagine if corporations were allowed to apply this business model to other products(products other than software) as well?

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the suits don't realize either the conspicuous nature of the PC, if they forced it to one install per buy it would really be no different.

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Agreed. There should be no limit of use applied to something you own. Can you imagine if corporations were allowed to apply this business model to other products(products other than software) as well?

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Lol like soap? you can barrow it but you only get 20 uses. nah, there is a huge deference between Mechanical, And Virtual Reality,

in the Mechanical World shit breaks or gets used up to the Point of Breaking if your car tire pops guess what tire company gets money.

in the Virtual Reality world, its a place that cannot ever exist it has no Value, except from the mind of it creators intent.

EA's idea's are like a Virtual Reality World they have no value,period.

(A customer is a person that purchases goods that may last the rest of his/her life, a consumer is a person that purchase a temporary object to consume such as apple once consumed it has no value to anyone else)

EA is referring to people as consumers, and games like apples. once that game is consumed it become Garbage.

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Yeah, I realize they're not going to sell you something like soap that only has 20 uses. I was just making the comparison to show how idiotic this business model is. Should I not be able to sell my game on Ebay for a portion of its value, after I'm done with it? I've done it many times with other games. Its ridiculous that it should have no value after 3 installs, or one user account. They're using this "fear" of piracy to F*CK the consumer/customer.

Im agreeing with you, but like i said. when it comes down to it there a big difference in business models, between the mechanical knowledge's of it will break we will just wait for it to happen.

to the grand scheme of MPAA/RIAA/EA that is something ripped out of a fantasy business model Book

i understand the handling of Data Information, is much deferent than that of a Physical Object.

But there doing it all wrong, the old way was fine. there is no real way to stop the exchange of information in anyform. i remember why the PC came into existence, it was a dream to get away from all the Unstandardized stuff. x86 was the dream come true to the PC realm it could allow any code to be passed threw it 100+ different programing languages became one in a single chip.

Want to stop the exchange of information. Stop making PC's Stop publishing books, Don't send your children to school.

Knowledge is Power, DRM is man-made, What takes man years to build billions to invest in, can be destroyed in a matter of seconds with little or no money at all.

@DXR88

I understand what your saying, but in the perfect corporate plan, we rent. They OWN.
Whether its tangible, or intangible products.
I guess I think sometimes people don't think about it that way.
It is my opinion that if we buy something, tangible or intangible, it shouldn't be legal to have its value stripped by the seller, after the purchase.
Where will the lines be drawn, or will they ever be?

Why can't they make a system that can revoke a uninstall and give the token back, it seems like a no brainier to me, since the altertive is cracking it.

of course one could think that they want people to crack it to pirate to force harder restrictions and then whine to government and get government to limit consumer rights even more...of course one would have to be crazy to string along that idea......ahem yes now if you will excuse me I have a date with salty winches and rum on the roof top.

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ahem yes now if you will excuse me I have a date with salty winches and rum on the roof top.

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ahem yes now if you will excuse me I have a date with salty winches and rum on the roof top.

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Lies...all of it!!

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Yes but cheap boose and dancing on the roof with imaginary "friends" still makes mew crazy ^^

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Yes but cheap boose and dancing on the roof with imaginary "friends" still makes mew crazy ^^

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ahem yes now if you will excuse me I have a date with salty winches and rum on the roof top.

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Lies...all of it!!

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Yes but cheap boose and dancing on the roof with imaginary "friends" still makes mew crazy ^^

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HUH? Sure thing?

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Yes because the correct answer for "Where did all the rum go?" is there was no rum to start with ^_~

This thread has officially melted into oblivion.

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Thats a big 10-4 rubber ducky

Mamma Pappa that...

Let's organize and boycott EA and its associates until they get rid of SecuROM & DRM from their software. Take a look at our campaign to locate 15,000 to agree to this here and we'll make sure EA notices.

Thanks!