@lynchGOP
Knock off - if you can't post w/o the insults then don't post - very simple. Knock the back to back posts too - post padded.

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So this has securom, but you get unlimited activations? I just don't see what the problem is with this.

Now there's still traces of securom left on your pc after you uninstall this game, but to be honest, I really don't give a crap. It's not gonna affect the lack of stability that already exists in windows.

nonething really new hear you knew they would try add some kind of drm to it and honestly i played this game on xbox360 and hated it it wasn't as good as older GTA games that where on ps2 i didn't like controls etc

I really do not understand why they need the rootkit part of it make it a normal install that checks for the black listed programs and if or part of it is not installed then the game wont work there is no need to to make this thing a nightmare.

These companies are trying to shape the market into a dead end, where only their word (ultimate profit) goes.

I never comment on how poor demos are as they are free, I usualy can tell how poor games are but play the demo to pass time. If we comment on how poor these demos are, they'll blame the fact we tried it before purchase. They'll then go back to scamming us, no try before you by and no refunds.

It's been stated before that many companies (namely EA) prefer the console market (closed (per say hardware), all systems are more or less the same hardware/software, easier to develop (should mean less patches, but meh!!).

But most of all due to hardware restrictions no serials, so now they have more control. There are several rumours about how these companies will force us into purchasing new game only and destroy rentals/pre owned. Personally I think they're still fighting a losing battle.

By just pirating the game you are still supporting them, because now they have statistics which they can employ to pursue there evil plans to get additional plans that would restrict us even more. The best solution would be to boycott them completely and not use there games.

If they have to place these measures, then they don't even the respect of me touching there infested games.

I miss the simple days of buying a game, ripping it, shelving it for safe keeping and playing with a crack or virtual drive. Uh oh....did I just incriminate myself? What's the statute of limitations on this stuff? I'd better burn my copy of Sands of Time and make sure the retail box is on my shelf for all to see.

They have every right to choose this type of DRM, but I have every right to not want any part of it. I really hate when people are called thieves just for complaining about DRM. As a consumer, I have a hard time supporting a company that sells me something, but then tells me that I can't do whatever I want with it without becoming a "thief". Unfortunately, they all do nowadays. So my poison is console gaming anyways. I'm sick of what the industry has done to PC gaming. Honest consumers are just casualties of a never-ending, up-hill, losing battle with release groups. But, hey, one can argue that DRM is good for the economy. For every dev that loses a job due to "piracy", a DRM lackey is hired.

Grand Theft Auto IV is cracked on demonoid and piratebay, 100% working.......so much for SecuROM. Pirates will always win.

i WILL always try a product before i spend my money on it.
if i like the product, i WILL buy it.
really all that has changed is.. some products that i like and would like to buy, now contain things that are not very friendly to my environment. i can get them with that bad part removed, so its common sense that im going to get it without the bad stuff.
the people that make the bad part of the product know this and will continue to make more bad stuff because it makes them more and more money .
furthermore it forces more people to consoles and away from the thing all establishments fear. the uncontrollable internet. they get you on consoles your back in your boxes limited to what they allow you to see.
call me thief all you like, i call you oppressor!

Originally posted by binkie7:

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@lynchGOP
Knock off - if you can't post w/o the insults then don't post - very simple. Knock the back to back posts too - post padded.

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You asked not to repeat post and to quit with insults and so it was done and then you ban anyway...........Tell me..........where is the sense in that?? Why bother "asking" when you're just going to ban regardless?

Besides the "insults" were minor and subtle and were directed to those who rampantly steal and leach off society. Seeing that Afterdawn used to be a pirating site and only technically isn't anymore is because of Finnish law (which is not understood since your servers are in L.A. California) I guess belittleing those who rampantly steal and justify their doing so is condoned by Afterdawn. My attacks only are directed to those that leach off society and never contribute back. Does Afterdawn honestly support theivery and unconditional, rampant stealing and then the meritless justification of it so much that you ban people who MILDLY get on other people's backs??? Please clarify and hopefully you will defend yourself and your site.

lynchGOP

Leech from society now? The people "US" pay for everything there is no leeching when in the end you are the grease that the gears of society runs on and it runs on us all, we buy something and in part keep the momentum going...what a foolish and ignorant statement you have made.

Besides define leech IMO the company's that make low qaulity crap to spam out to the public to gain gross profit to buy laws to further their monopolies so please do a clue please get.

lynchGOP
by advocating the disgusting "patriot act" YOU are the leech! on peoples human rights and freedom of choice!

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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lynchGOP

Leech from society now? The people "US" pay for everything there is no leeching when in the end you are the grease that the gears of society runs on and it runs on us all, we buy something and in part keep the momentum going...what a foolish and ignorant statement you have made.

Besides define leech IMO the company's that make low qaulity crap to spam out to the public to gain gross profit to buy laws to further their monopolies so please do a clue please get.

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That was the most ignorant thing I have heard anyone say ever.........other than Al Gore "Inventing the Internet".

You just justified your stealing everything in every way. First, the "momentum" as you put it is only going to keep going if people in the US pay for stuff. Stealing everything stops the momentum.

Second, justifying your thievery but making the old and meritless statement "low quality crap" is sad. If it's low quality then why bother stealing it?

One question Zippy-the-thief. What was the last GAME and MOVIE you actually PURCHASED and from where and how much? Answer this and perhaps you will have cast a LITTLE doubt in the minds of people that work and contribute like me.

Originally posted by DRokKer:

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lynchGOP
by advocating the disgusting "patriot act" YOU are the leech! on peoples human rights and freedom of choice!

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Sad...........the vast majority of the civilised and law-abiding population will overwhelmingly agree that IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

It doesn't spy on RANDOM people
It doesn't invade RANDOM privacy
It doesn't take away RANDOM rights


However it probably does for people like you although it's only meant for terrorism. Are you concerned that your right to make a decision to terrorize is being infringed upon??? Shame, first statement stands. Good people have nothing to worry about.

I'm done with this............off topic completely.

meh! i wondered how long before he called me a terrorist. As my Grandpa
used to say, you cant educate PORK sonny.

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You just justified your stealing everything in every way. First, the "momentum" as you put it is only going to keep going if people in the US pay for stuff. Stealing everything stops the momentum.

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If one doesn't like the direction the machine is going in, then one will probably not want to help it gain momentum. Whether a consumer decides not to buy it, or pirate and delete it, nobody is getting the $$$ for the game. Then it just becomes a matter of getting punished for not playing by the rules. I believe that the reasoning behind increased security is that everyone is going to pirate. Every form of security has been cracked, yet the gaming industry has survived all these years and still makes profits despite "piracy." DRM is not stopping the "pirates." It never has and it never will. If someone wants the game for free, then will find a way. So what good is DRM? All you are telling the honest consumer who has supported you all these years is "don't even think about it thief-to-be."

Proof is needed that over the past 10 years, piracy has stagnated the game industry. Otherwise it's all based on speculation and individual morals. Lift the facade and it starts to look like right vs left.

Maybe I missed it, but where did Zippy state that he steals everything?

@lynchGOP
Did they let you out for the weekend? If so then the weekend is now finished, so you really should be getting back. Remember anger management club starts at 10am and you already missed the last year, so hurry on now, the bus is coming for you!! toot toot, ah there it is.
Zippy I know its hard but, try not to feed the trolls eh partner, your worth more than that.
Greetz and peace from the P****** of the carribean

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You just justified your stealing everything in every way. First, the "momentum" as you put it is only going to keep going if people in the US pay for stuff. Stealing everything stops the momentum.

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If one doesn't like the direction the machine is going in, then one will probably not want to help it gain momentum. Whether a consumer decides not to buy it, or pirate and delete it, nobody is getting the $$$ for the game. Then it just becomes a matter of getting punished for not playing by the rules. I believe that the reasoning behind increased security is that everyone is going to pirate. Every form of security has been cracked, yet the gaming industry has survived all these years and still makes profits despite "piracy." DRM is not stopping the "pirates." It never has and it never will. If someone wants the game for free, then will find a way. So what good is DRM? All you are telling the honest consumer who has supported you all these years is "don't even think about it thief-to-be."

Proof is needed that over the past 10 years, piracy has stagnated the game industry. Otherwise it's all based on speculation and individual morals. Lift the facade and it starts to look like right vs left.

Maybe I missed it, but where did Zippy state that he steals everything?

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I would say its more due to the emphasis on making money from nothing that corporate loves so much I mean how else can you have a craptacualer app make money if not to sell it to dumber executives...but more so they want to control the nuances of the program the trouble is all they have to do is keep the populace from copying it crackers and the mainstream underground will always be one step ahead of them they are just wasting money on such over the top worthless DRM that only gives someones corporate fck buddy money.

Its not so much about thinking everyone will copy it as it is the precieved losses it entails, if they looked at illicit copies as a part of business and something to not opine over and focus on the anti copy messuers to hassle the clueless average joe copier we all would be better off...well...albeit the DRM providers...


As for stealing everything I value my money so every buck I spend can be equatable to 10 ot 100 bucks for you, I do not have the money ot the time to put with "more for less" or poorly deved highly frustrating 50$ games I just say no more, I spent 80$ on 2 copies of UT3 and Bioshock one for me one for a friend, hell I bought a couple sued games for a friend for Xmas, if FO3 was 30$ I would have bought 2 copies but I'll wait till its priced better try and get it new wholesale on the cheap. Hell this Xmas I just blew 300$ for my comp (new case old one had cooling issues,new mobo old one is acting funny,new CPU fan, zalman all copper FTW, new 3 colored light keyboard)><

Farcry 2 is on my list to get as is Deadspace and I have not even tried it yet....might even tag the newer alone int eh dark game for 10$..I'd so get back into console gaming if they had a full customizable controls... but thats not happening the as the industry is being further pasteurized... oh well I'll stick with PC gaming a few years yet...

Originally posted by joe777:

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@lynchGOP
Did they let you out for the weekend? If so then the weekend is now finished, so you really should be getting back. Remember anger management club starts at 10am and you already missed the last year, so hurry on now, the bus is coming for you!! toot toot, ah there it is.
Zippy I know its hard but, try not to feed the trolls eh partner, your worth more than that.
Greetz and peace from the P****** of the carribean

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Sorry I be half troll myself mate..I can;t help but feed my kind :P

^^^^^ he he he he. You got me there. I surrender (my resignation) :P
No retreat no surrender, as always!!!!!!!

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^^^^^ he he he he. You got me there. I surrender (my resignation) :P
No retreat no surrender, as always!!!!!!!

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I be a incoherent intellectual you can only understand me half of the time and when my truths ring most true...be in fear....for you have become crazy too.

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Originally posted by lynchg0p:

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Sad...........the vast majority of the civilised and law-abiding population will overwhelmingly agree that IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

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Um, yeah, that's what all the fascists say. Sorry, you still can't cavity-search me without probable cause. Piss off.

More seriously, in the US we have this little thing called a "Constitution", which directly limits the power of anyone, public or private, to conduct ANY kind of search, whether of my home or the contents of my PC, to certain very specific cases. This is NOT one of those cases.

Originally posted by lynchg0p:

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It doesn't spy on RANDOM people
It doesn't invade RANDOM privacy
It doesn't take away RANDOM rights

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Oh, really? So, DRM that "phones home" with a listing of the contents of your hard drive is A-OK with you, eh? Fool. That's exactly what Sony's little rootkit did, (among other unsavory acts) and it was ruled ILLEGAL in a lawsuit. SecuROM has been implicated with similar behavior.

Originally posted by lynchg0p:

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However it probably does for people like you although it's only meant for terrorism. Are you concerned that your right to make a decision to terrorize is being infringed upon??? Shame, first statement stands. Good people have nothing to worry about.[/

I'm done with this............off topic completely.

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Say what? Wow, I'm glad you said this in a public forum, so I can prove people like you exist!

SecuROM has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism; it's has EVERYTHING to do with protecting corporate profits. If you disagree with this statement, please enlighten me as to where I can find these gigantic terrorist groups playing GTA IV and Spore. I'm sure Homeland Security will be all ears!

Theft, while illegal, also has nothing directly to do with terrorism, unless it precedes/enables *drum roll* AN ACTUAL ACT OF TERRORISM.

lynchg0p (or whatever username you decide to troll with next), please DON'T stop your wonderful posts. You actually made 5 people in my house laugh themselves into hysterics! I had to convince one of them I didn't post your message myself as a joke; he didn't believe anyone could be such an idiot in real life and still succesfully type.

Finally, many, many people have had issues with SecuROM actually damaging their computer. Yes, actual physical damage; it slams the optical drive's head against the stop repeatedly, potentially eventually misaligning/breaking it. The pirates have no such issue. So, if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about, hm? I guess that makes the user who bought the game wrong..?

Sheep.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Originally posted by lynchg0p:

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Sad...........the vast majority of the civilised and law-abiding population will overwhelmingly agree that IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

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Um, yeah, that's what all the fascists say. Sorry, you still can't cavity-search me without probable cause. Piss off.

More seriously, in the US we have this little thing called a "Constitution", which directly limits the power of anyone, public or private, to conduct ANY kind of search, whether of my home or the contents of my PC, to certain very specific cases. This is NOT one of those cases.

Originally posted by lynchg0p:

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It doesn't spy on RANDOM people
It doesn't invade RANDOM privacy
It doesn't take away RANDOM rights

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Oh, really? So, DRM that "phones home" with a listing of the contents of your hard drive is A-OK with you, eh? Fool. That's exactly what Sony's little rootkit did, (among other unsavory acts) and it was ruled ILLEGAL in a lawsuit. SecuROM has been implicated with similar behavior.

Originally posted by lynchg0p:

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However it probably does for people like you although it's only meant for terrorism. Are you concerned that your right to make a decision to terrorize is being infringed upon??? Shame, first statement stands. Good people have nothing to worry about.[/

I'm done with this............off topic completely.

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Say what? Wow, I'm glad you said this in a public forum, so I can prove people like you exist!

SecuROM has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism; it's has EVERYTHING to do with protecting corporate profits. If you disagree with this statement, please enlighten me as to where I can find these gigantic terrorist groups playing GTA IV and Spore. I'm sure Homeland Security will be all ears!

Theft, while illegal, also has nothing directly to do with terrorism, unless it precedes/enables *drum roll* AN ACTUAL ACT OF TERRORISM.

lynchg0p (or whatever username you decide to troll with next), please DON'T stop your wonderful posts. You actually made 5 people in my house laugh themselves into hysterics! I had to convince one of them I didn't post your message myself as a joke; he didn't believe anyone could be such an idiot in real life and still succesfully type.

Finally, many, many people have had issues with SecuROM actually damaging their computer. Yes, actual physical damage; it slams the optical drive's head against the stop repeatedly, potentially eventually misaligning/breaking it. The pirates have no such issue. So, if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about, hm? I guess that makes the user who bought the game wrong..?

Sheep.

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Unless its a laptop or thumb drive at the border... don't you love it when the media business is able to get government to help them spy on all businesses and persons......

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True enough. The only thing that lets that fly is that it actually is based on very old laws, which have never been used in quite that way before. =/ In other words, unfortunatley, that IS "one of those caes".

I seriously doubt that will continue for long. Either the new administration or direct legal challenges will hose that one pretty soon, considering even big business is dead-set against it.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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True enough. The only thing that lets that fly is that it actually is based on very old laws, which have never been used in quite that way before. =/

I seriously doubt that will continue for long. Either the new administration or direct legal challenges will hose that one pretty soon, considering even big business is dead-set against it.

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I am surprised Big biz security has not taken action on it so that has to show how much of a immutable bureaucracy big biz is.

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Just curious LynchGOP does your definition of "welfare recipient" happen to include Banks and such? :D

And how do you feel about free open-source software, should that be banned?

If Americans have been living on cheap credit for the last 7 years and farming the loans OS, isn't that just stealing/cheating?

Does your concept of "welfare recipient" extend to the free ride America has been getting from all the credit that COMMUNIST China extends to the States? The enormous financial dept that you owe that arguably "terrorist free" autocratic pirate-happy racist nation? Bearing in mind that in the next 20 years that they will no longer need the US economy to help build their own consumer base.

Next you'll be pushing Flat Earth coz that's what's written in the Bible you arrogant simpleton.

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Just curious LynchGOP does your definition of "welfare recipient" happen to include Banks and such? :D

And how do you feel about free open-source software, should that be banned?

If Americans have been living on cheap credit for the last 7 years and farming the loans OS, isn't that just stealing/cheating?

Does your concept of "welfare recipient" extend to the free ride America has been getting from all the credit that COMMUNIST China extends to the States? The enormous financial dept that you owe that arguably "terrorist free" autocratic pirate-happy racist nation? Bearing in mind that in the next 20 years that they will no longer need the US economy to help build their own consumer base.

Next you'll be pushing Flat Earth coz that's what's written in the Bible you arrogant simpleton.

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Rant mode engage...........be wary its over 9000

Oh god yes lets end welfare and toss people out on their ass with modern building codes and tight regulations the"unwashed" masses will gather in forests as so the rich can hunt them...next you will tell me fred and fanny may popped the artificial finical market bubble.......no no no no greed(how can you make milloins off nothing at an accelerated pace and not call it artificial?),lack of oversight and tight regulation(we have soem decent regs but holy sht are they ignored) is what has hurt us the most not charity or lack rules for a small portion of the populace to get into homes you can not blame the workers who are under paid and sick for the captains of industry going on a drinking binge and blowing 10billon on hookers for upper management, now if the workers were part of the union racket that constantly beg and stole to get more wages in a industry thats completely over saturated and in bad need of a overhaul(yes cars) then mabye so...but there again look at what the CEOs and upper management did oh gee look at this we can sell overpriced over sized vehicles ineffeint vehicles that cost alot to maintain...so we can sell more of them down the road..and..SHOCK maintain a short a sighted artificial profit bubble like all corporate run entities who base everythign on what the ECO can make and give to the stock holders.

Yes capitalism is about profit however...if you fail at the corporate level you are reabsorbed into the industry and thos around it when you are a person at ground level you are crushed because you have no where to go and this is without the hand of gov reaching down handing out golden parachutes and pats on the desk to thos failed titans of industry...



A free market is one where compies come and go all the time, thos who seek long term profits and offer a real value to the populace stay in business the rest die of their own accord because they are unsupported, if gov comes in and creates monopolies or bank rolls failed business becuse their fck budies need a loan then all he have is a presudo class of nobility trading guidled property with each other while the populace is ignored.....


The problem with the US is its a sloppy bureaucracy thats creates vague houses of nobility that protects the machine anything you do to remove parts for the lower classes will only damage it further all we can do as a society is make it run more effectively either by destroying it which is a random vague chance the way the racket is setup or start with some basics focus jobs on infrastructure and energy and green energy, get vehicle makers to amke cheap and efficient vehicles as their main line if its over 20K its not cheap and should not be focused on as the majority of the nation can not afford a large costly vehicle,hybrids are a joke at 60K+, we need a better tax system one that focuses on profit as to end the complicated and harsh corporate tax structure and the as vague personal tax system,toss it out focus on a fair tax system where you pay taxes on what you buy IE a merchant tax system you sell it be it a widget or a service you pay tax on your profit from it that right there will halve the IRS one of the biggest bureaucratic messes yet.

Also we should repeal the bans on making your own liqueur and growing pot tax it and let the populace enjoy the wealth of a nation built of its people not the corporate state.

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