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France approves controversial 'three strikes law'

15 September 2009 14:43 by Andre "DVDBack23" Yoskowitz | 30 comments

France's lower house has today approved the extremely controversial "three-strikes" law for Internet pirates, giving authorities the power to disconnect multiple time offenders from the Internet completely.

The media industry has been behind the bill in the UK, France and other nations for some time now, but strong criticism, from groups who claim the bill will threaten our civil liberties, has kept it as just a bill for over a year now.

The French Culture Ministry has said they expect about 1000 French Internet users to be kicked offline, every day, if the bill becomes law. Besides being disconnected, pirates also face a fine as high as euro 300,000 (about $440,000 USD).

Unknowing parents whose kids use the family computer to download unauthorized content are also subject to the law, which will have the family's Internet cut off for a month along with a euro 3,750 fine.

The National Assembly voted to pass the bill with a final tally of 285-225 in favor.

Culture Minister Frederic Mitterrand added: "Artists will remember that we at last had the courage to break with the laissez-faire approach and protect their rights from people who want to turn the net into their libertarian utopia."

Enforcement of the law still remains utterly questionable, with lawmakers and the media industry still working out the methods.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how they can expect us to purchase the music legally, if 1000 possible customers are kicked off the Internet everyday.

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Josipher (Junior Member) 15 September 2009 16:58
*Quote:* This Sucks first of all and second this is infringement upon our liberties *Quote:* Welcome to the NWO (New World Order) Part 1. Coming to your country soon ! If you work with pc's online in your job...i guess you will loose your job if your not allowed to use the internet. Sounds like governments are going to feel the pain as well. Less tax dollars. This is going to be rough for the whole country And what about those that don't know some of these things are happening in their own homes (Guess its time to leach off the neighbors)<<<< {JOKING LOL) u might have been joking but sadly it will be very true there will be no stopping pirates nd some i assure u wud go as far as buyin a wifi usb adapter and simply leech their neighbours net,causin theyre net to be squaky clean. god im glad im not french atm [ + quote]
GryphB (Junior Member) 15 September 2009 19:21
Blah, sucks for them. [ + quote]
ivymike (Member) 15 September 2009 20:13
This is the legacy of Bushco. George Bush helped Nick Sarcozy steal the presidential election in France as well as the election in Mexico. Nick Sarcozy isn't even French. [ + quote]
Mysttic (Junior Member) 15 September 2009 20:59
I just want to know what contengency plans are in place to protect their ISPs? After all, 1000 users kicked off line every day, who is gonna take the most hit? A) Public B) Music Industry C) ISP =The public? No. The Record Companies, no they already took the hit, and chances are even if they kick people off line they still ain't gonna buy the music. How about the ISPs? For those that picked choice 3, you are a winner; with 1000 consumers being kicked off, they are paying the gov't fines not the ISPs who will lose thousands if not hundred of thousands per year by this law. If that happens, how are they gonna keep the communication lines open? This would be the down fall of ISPs in their area and eventually the gov't is going to have to face a decision, keep the law or keep the net. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 15 September 2009 21:17
they shot this down once already...it will be shot down again.... [ + quote]
windsong (Junior Member) 15 September 2009 22:30
*Originally posted by ivymike:* This is the legacy of Bushco. George Bush helped Nick Sarcozy steal the presidential election in France as well as the election in Mexico. Nick Sarcozy isn't even French. Er..yes. All BUSH's fault! BWahahahaha! [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 15 September 2009 22:33
*Quote:* *Originally posted by ivymike:* This is the legacy of Bushco. George Bush helped Nick Sarcozy steal the presidential election in France as well as the election in Mexico. Nick Sarcozy isn't even French. Er..yes. All BUSH's fault! BWahahahaha! Well he let the organized media fascists have their way.....and so did clinton so meh. [ + quote]
KillerBug (Senior Member) 15 September 2009 23:33
*Quote:* *Quote:* *Originally posted by ivymike:* This is the legacy of Bushco. George Bush helped Nick Sarcozy steal the presidential election in France as well as the election in Mexico. Nick Sarcozy isn't even French. Er..yes. All BUSH's fault! BWahahahaha! Well he let the organized media fascists have their way.....and so did clinton so meh. And so does Obama. They don't care about the public, only their campaign contributions. Standard US Presidency Procedure: 1.) Spend 3 years going against the populous and breaking every promise you made durring your campain. 2.) Spend a year going around talking about what a great job you have done for the previous 3 years when you did nothing well. 3.) Spend 4 years going against the populous and breaking every promise you made durring your campains. 4.) Retire in style off of the "Gifts" you recieved from corporations while in office, or soon after leaving office. BTW...can't we think of something better than NWO? I mean, it is printed on our money...so it isn't exactly new, is it? [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 15 September 2009 23:36
*Quote:* *Quote:* *Quote:* *Originally posted by ivymike:* This is the legacy of Bushco. George Bush helped Nick Sarcozy steal the presidential election in France as well as the election in Mexico. Nick Sarcozy isn't even French. Er..yes. All BUSH's fault! BWahahahaha! Well he let the organized media fascists have their way.....and so did clinton so meh. And so does Obama. They don't care about the public, only their campaign contributions. Standard US Presidency Procedure: 1.) Spend 3 years going against the populous and breaking every promise you made durring your campain. 2.) Spend a year going around talking about what a great job you have done for the previous 3 years when you did nothing well. 3.) Spend 4 years going against the populous and breaking every promise you made durring your campains. 4.) Retire in style off of the "Gifts" you recieved from corporations while in office, or soon after leaving office. BTW...can't we think of something better than NWO? I mean, it is printed on our money...so it isn't exactly new, is it? That goes without saying, as long as companies can lobby in any kind of way they will always turn men into retards or in this case statesmen into politicians. [ + quote]
RusSnajp (Newbie) 16 September 2009 6:00
Sarcozy is the new New World Order follower taking position in France New World Order want power , domination , control. When sales are bad everyone points at piracy. When they are good , they wipe their asses with dollar bills. They want online censorship and this will happen sooner or later. Obama has the right to shut down online from all the country , this will happen when there will be extensive conspiracy and controversial news on the web corrupted US government don't want us citizen to see. [ + quote]
RusSnajp (Newbie) 16 September 2009 6:15
*Originally posted by RusSnajp:* Sarcozy is the new New World Order follower taking position in France New World Order want power , domination , control. When sales are bad everyone points at piracy. When they are good , they wipe their asses with dollar bills. They want online censorship and this will happen sooner or later. Obama has the right to shut down online from all the US and soon NAU , this will happen when there will be extensive conspiracy and controversial news on the web corrupted US government don't want american citizen to see. [ + quote]
tleewade (Newbie) 16 September 2009 9:12
*Originally posted by RusSnajp:* Sarcozy is the new New World Order follower taking position in France New World Order want power , domination , control. When sales are bad everyone points at piracy. When they are good , they wipe their asses with dollar bills. They want online censorship and this will happen sooner or later. Obama has the right to shut down online from all the country , this will happen when there will be extensive conspiracy and controversial news on the web corrupted US government don't want us citizen to see. sounds like a republican. [ + quote]
DVDBack23 (Staff Member) 16 September 2009 12:05
First and only warning...keep this on topic and not about some bullshit NWO conspiracy or there will be bans. [ + quote]
capcarrot (Newbie) 16 September 2009 12:21
Hmmm...wonder how they'll apply this moronic law to internet cafe's and wifi access point providers? Even with net nannies on board, people will proxy their way through to where they want to be. Sure, it'd be slow, but possible... Maybe this is the end of public internet access in France? v. sad indeed. Way to demonstrate exactly how to regress an entire society back to dial-up days... [ + quote]
mrp73 (Newbie) 16 September 2009 12:43
*Originally posted by DVDBack23:* First and only warning...keep this on topic and not about some bullshit NWO conspiracy or there will be bans. First of all I rarely find the need to reply to topics. YOU need to learn what the job of a moderator is. A moderator's job is to make sure that things are run properly. It is NOT your job to throw your weight around telling people that the NWO is as you put it a "bullshit conspiracy" and basically saying that those that feel different than you about the NWO risk being banned. As a moderator you just did the unforgivable. You threw your opinion in and said that if someone's opinion differs then you will ban them. The NWO comments are very much in line with what this story is about and is NOT going off topic. As a moderator I expect you to have opinions but using them to threaten people that oppose them is shameful. If I get banned for this then I will lose complete respect for this site as it has been my #1 site for tech news for ages and while I do love reading all the comments I rarely feel this compelled to respond until now. [ + quote]
creaky (Moderator) 16 September 2009 14:13
*Originally posted by mrp73:* *Originally posted by DVDBack23:* First and only warning...keep this on topic and not about some bullshit NWO conspiracy or there will be bans. First of all I rarely find the need to reply to topics. YOU need to learn what the job of a moderator is. A moderator's job is to make sure that things are run properly. It is NOT your job to throw your weight around telling people that the NWO is as you put it a "bullshit conspiracy" and basically saying that those that feel different than you about the NWO risk being banned. As a moderator you just did the unforgivable. You threw your opinion in and said that if someone's opinion differs then you will ban them. The NWO comments are very much in line with what this story is about and is NOT going off topic. As a moderator I expect you to have opinions but using them to threaten people that oppose them is shameful. If I get banned for this then I will lose complete respect for this site as it has been my #1 site for tech news for ages and while I do love reading all the comments I rarely feel this compelled to respond until now. Erm you need to re-check the title under Andre's username; he's a staff member actually, he's well within his rights to comment. It wasn't, as you put it, because others have a different opinion to him (and i suggest you re-read his reply, he didn't post that). We don't allow political discussions on this site. Period. You'll have to like it or lump it. I have a few opinions of my own on government/politics, however i keep them to myself as this site is not a platform for such views. Now let's get this News item back on track thanks.. Forum Rules ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487 / Xbox softmodding software ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/557450 Main PC ~ Intel C2Q Q6600 (G0 Stepping)/Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3/2GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec 900/Corsair HX 620W Network ~ DD-WRT ~ 2 node WDS/WPA ~ Buffalo WHR-G54S. 3 node WPA2/AES ~ WRT54GS v6 & WRT54G v2 & WRT54G v3.1 (v24 sp2 EKO 12548), plus WRT54G v5 (v24 sp2 EKO 12548) for NDS wifi only [ + quote]
canuckerz (Senior Member) 16 September 2009 14:13
*Quote:* *Originally posted by DVDBack23:* First and only warning...keep this on topic and not about some bullshit NWO conspiracy or there will be bans. First of all I rarely find the need to reply to topics. YOU need to learn what the job of a moderator is. A moderator's job is to make sure that things are run properly. It is NOT your job to throw your weight around telling people that the NWO is as you put it a "bullshit conspiracy" and basically saying that those that feel different than you about the NWO risk being banned. As a moderator you just did the unforgivable. You threw your opinion in and said that if someone's opinion differs then you will ban them. The NWO comments are very much in line with what this story is about and is NOT going off topic. As a moderator I expect you to have opinions but using them to threaten people that oppose them is shameful. If I get banned for this then I will lose complete respect for this site as it has been my #1 site for tech news for ages and while I do love reading all the comments I rarely feel this compelled to respond until now. He is a staff member NOT a moderator for one, and regardless you are a GUEST on their site, they can do whatever the bloody hell they want as they allow you be here on THEIR site. [ + quote]
DVDBack23 (Staff Member) 16 September 2009 15:12
*Quote:* *Originally posted by mrp73:* *Originally posted by DVDBack23:* First and only warning...keep this on topic and not about some bullshit NWO conspiracy or there will be bans. First of all I rarely find the need to reply to topics. YOU need to learn what the job of a moderator is. A moderator's job is to make sure that things are run properly. It is NOT your job to throw your weight around telling people that the NWO is as you put it a "bullshit conspiracy" and basically saying that those that feel different than you about the NWO risk being banned. As a moderator you just did the unforgivable. You threw your opinion in and said that if someone's opinion differs then you will ban them. The NWO comments are very much in line with what this story is about and is NOT going off topic. As a moderator I expect you to have opinions but using them to threaten people that oppose them is shameful. If I get banned for this then I will lose complete respect for this site as it has been my #1 site for tech news for ages and while I do love reading all the comments I rarely feel this compelled to respond until now. Erm you need to re-check the title under Andre's username; he's a staff member actually, he's well within his rights to comment. It wasn't, as you put it, because others have a different opinion to him (and i suggest you re-read his reply, he didn't post that). We don't allow political discussions on this site. Period. You'll have to like it or lump it. I have a few opinions of my own on government/politics, however i keep them to myself as this site is not a platform for such views. Now let's get this News item back on track thanks.. Thank you Creaky, I should have pointed to the rules that specifically state no political discussions, but would have thought most members had read that by now. Half the comments were about Obama or the "NWO", neither of which is mentioned once in the article. As the man said, back on topic now, thanks. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 16 September 2009 15:50
*Quote:* *Quote:* *Originally posted by DVDBack23:* First and only warning...keep this on topic and not about some bullshit NWO conspiracy or there will be bans. First of all I rarely find the need to reply to topics. YOU need to learn what the job of a moderator is. A moderator's job is to make sure that things are run properly. It is NOT your job to throw your weight around telling people that the NWO is as you put it a "bullshit conspiracy" and basically saying that those that feel different than you about the NWO risk being banned. As a moderator you just did the unforgivable. You threw your opinion in and said that if someone's opinion differs then you will ban them. The NWO comments are very much in line with what this story is about and is NOT going off topic. As a moderator I expect you to have opinions but using them to threaten people that oppose them is shameful. If I get banned for this then I will lose complete respect for this site as it has been my #1 site for tech news for ages and while I do love reading all the comments I rarely feel this compelled to respond until now. He is a staff member NOT a moderator for one, and regardless you are a GUEST on their site, they can do whatever the bloody hell they want as they allow you be here on THEIR site. Sometimes guests are abused because the powers that be on the site are grade A arse holes tho I can only recall 2 sites to be that pissy out of all the ones I have drooled upon. This site gives you more than enough rope for others to hang you with, when they need to they step in but my lord they don;t moderate nearly as much as other more pansy and frilly sites. [ + quote]
mrp73 (Newbie) 16 September 2009 18:09
How exactly can a site say no political comments when the story is a politically based story? Most any response to a political based story is going to have a politically based opinionated answer. Lastly if no political comments are allowed then I would imagine a response from a staff member giving a political opinion (stating NWO conspiracy bullshit) to back your reason that you will ban someone for political statements is rather hypocritical. I understand now going forward that political comments on a politically based story are not permissible under any circumstances unless of course you are a staff member. My mistake for misunderstanding the one sided rules. It won't happen again. Sorry. [ + quote]
creaky (Moderator) 16 September 2009 18:13
*Originally posted by mrp73:* How exactly can a site say no political comments when the story is a politically based story? Most any response to a political based story is going to have a politically based opinionated answer. Lastly if no political comments are allowed then I would imagine a response from a staff member giving a political opinion (stating NWO conspiracy bullshit) to back your reason that you will ban someone for political statements is rather hypocritical. I understand now going forward that political comments on a politically based story are not permissible under any circumstances unless of course you are a staff member. My mistake for misunderstanding the one sided rules. It won't happen again. Sorry. *Originally posted by creaky who doesn't like wasting time repeating things, especially when there was no ambiguity the first time..:* Now let's get this News item back on track thanks.. Forum Rules ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487 / Xbox softmodding software ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/557450 Main PC ~ Intel C2Q Q6600 (G0 Stepping)/Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3/2GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec 900/Corsair HX 620W Network ~ DD-WRT ~ 2 node WDS/WPA ~ Buffalo WHR-G54S. 3 node WPA2/AES ~ WRT54GS v6 & WRT54G v2 & WRT54G v3.1 (v24 sp2), plus WRT54G v5 (v24 sp2) for NDS wifi only [ + quote] This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 16 September 2009 18:15
DVDBack23 (Staff Member) 16 September 2009 20:20
*Originally posted by mrp73:* How exactly can a site say no political comments when the story is a politically based story? Most any response to a political based story is going to have a politically based opinionated answer. Lastly if no political comments are allowed then I would imagine a response from a staff member giving a political opinion (stating NWO conspiracy bullshit) to back your reason that you will ban someone for political statements is rather hypocritical. I understand now going forward that political comments on a politically based story are not permissible under any circumstances unless of course you are a staff member. My mistake for misunderstanding the one sided rules. It won't happen again. Sorry. This is my last response here, and my apologies to Creaky for posting after his post. NWO at Wiki It IS a conspiracy theory, just like the "truthers," just like faked Moon landing, and thousands of others. Not everything has a giant backstory. This article can be taken at face value. The media companies, backed by big dollars, refuse to address the fact that their business model of the 80s and 90s is no longer relevant and they will continue to blame piracy for their falling revenues. It's an older generation of executives who most likely go home and pirate music from artists on other labels as well. I fail to see why this issue has to be part of a larger "NWO" scandal. Who will be hurt by this new bill? A member already posted it, it will be the labels and the ISPs. How hard will it hit the ISPs bottom line when 1000 of their subscribers are kicked off every day. I'd say in two months, the effect would be VERY real. As for the labels, how many "pirates" are going to come back online after being disconnected and say "Sure! I want to buy music legally now!" None. Once again, sorry to Creaky for posting after him, but my post is ON TOPIC. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 16 September 2009 20:43
DVDBack23 The Corporate mindset is so short sighted one can call it a war of attrition upon consumers. They make their money off the majority of the masses and with that money influence government to to limit anything that dose gain them a direct profit and by doing so side more of the masses agisnt them untill a land slide happens and they disspaer from exsistance. This is why we need clear hard lines in the sand to protect the masses from undue corporate influence in government and law. [ + quote]
KillerBug (Senior Member) 17 September 2009 1:09
Just becuase wikipedia says that the NWO is a conspiracy theory does not make it so, in fact it cannot be called "A Theory" because there are about a million different versions from different times...many of which were proven to be correct later on. There were people in 1930's germany that had conspiracy theories about the Nazi party trying to take over the world...crazy theory? The fact is that many of these "theories" are later proven true, and that some of the current theories have hard evidence to back their claims. It's true that many of these theories are completely insane or lacking any evidence...but this is not the case for all of them. To simply say 'Bullshit' is a slap in the face of anyone who is capable of thinking for themselves...and it is also proof that you are not capable of thinking for yourself. The story here clearly states that the french government has created a new law to benifit corporations, while hindering the populous, and likely getting many false-positive convictions for that populous. It also states a quote from the Culture Minister of France where he states that he wants to prevent people from reaching "utopia"! If this isn't a political story, I don't know what is. [ + quote]
CTerrian (Newbie) 18 September 2009 10:06
What's the topic again? Oh.. less customers, more bandwith for the rest of us law bidding citizens. XD [ + quote]
Mr-Movies (Member) 18 September 2009 13:24
*Originally posted by ZippyDSM:* DVDBack23 The Corporate mindset is so short sighted one can call it a war of attrition upon consumers. They make their money off the majority of the masses and with that money influence government to to limit anything that dose gain them a direct profit and by doing so side more of the masses agisnt them untill a land slide happens and they disspaer from exsistance. This is why we need clear hard lines in the sand to protect the masses from undue corporate influence in government and law. Right on Zippy, you should check out Penn & Teller Season 7: Episode 3 from this year which is on Taxation without Representation as it covers how big business lobbies our politicians. The strongest companies are communications & entertainment industries in any major country so they tend to pull the strings of our puppet masters, the politicians who amend what was a good constitution. This is why we have the Millennium Act and it is against the law to backup our media or record certain programs on public TV amongst many other things. One problem with what you say is that as long as we have lawyers as politicians there will never be hard lines in anything they do. Of course if it is against the little guy then there are always hard lines. Eventually I think the French will pass this bill as that is how things go. If it doesn�t pass the first time keep pounding and it will eventually pass. As an example not only do I have to wear a seat belt but after the politicians saying I�d never be fined or pulled over for not wearing one now I am, and it is a stiff fine. It took them a decade to do this but they kept on pounding until they got what they wanted. It won�t happen on this subject but people need to get there hair up and speak out as is happening with the US�s so called Health Care Reform plain. If you don�t get the masses against these issues they become law as the money gets its way. Unfortunately most people won�t get involved unless it impacts them directly at the moment. [ + quote]