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UK government to adopt 'three strikes' Internet piracy bill

28 October 2009 13:50 by Andre "DVDBack23" Yoskowitz | 34 comments

UK government to adopt 'three strikes' Internet piracy bill Lord Mandelson has announced this week that the UK will in fact be adopting the highly controversial 'three strikes' Internet piracy law, disconnecting multiple time offenders from the Internet while levying heavy fines.

The government added that first time offenders will likely be given a warning, then have their bandwidth restricted after a second offense. Third strike means being disconnected from the Internet, or at least "considered" for disconnection given the crime.

The law will come into effect April 2010, says the Department for Business, Skills and Innovation. Ofcom will be in charge of monitoring the file-sharing of UK citizens.

UK ISP TalkTalk, a strong critic of the bill, came out swinging after the announcement: "What is being proposed is wrong in principle and won't work in practice. In the event we are instructed to impose extra judicial technical measures we will challenge the instruction in the courts."

When asked about the material losses for ISPs given disconnection from the Internet for their subscribers, Mandelson added: "I have no expectation of mass suspensions. People will receive two notifications and if it reaches the point [of cutting them off] they will have the opportunity to appeal."

Another staunch critic of the plan, the Internet Service Providers' Association believes that copyright holders should be in charge of all costs related to the system, and that ISPs should be reimbursed for all lost customers.

"This approach is consistent with the principle of beneficiary pays and would serve to incentivise rightsholders to develop new business models and ensure an effective and efficient use of notifications and targeted legal action,"
says the ISPA.

The Open Rights Group says the DarkNet is coming: "Even MI5 disagree with Mr Mandelson - they are convinced we will see a rise of a 'Dark Net' of infringers. Nobody at C&binet from an online music service, as opposed to an old media company, thought that peer-to-peer [file-sharing] was a threat to their businesses. Yet Mandelson seems determined to push forward with his plans for 'three strikes' - threatening to punish people extremely harshly, threatening their education, businesses and livelihoods for a relatively minor financial misdemeanour," says Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group.

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    KillerBug (Senior Member) 29 October 2009 3:13 Send private message to this user   
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    I agree I think the ISP's will be hurting and ill vote republican as well if Obama passes this law. I don't think that will happen though.
    Why would you do that? The republicans and the democrats are both slaves of the media industry (as well as other big corporations). If you want a change, vote for a third party. Your candidate probably won't win, but at least when the government messes everything up, you can say "I didn't vote for that guy".
    sj512 (Junior Member) 29 October 2009 5:39 Send private message to this user   
    del

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 30 October 2009 5:44

    siber (Member) 29 October 2009 7:39 Send private message to this user   
    sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
    EvilDeeds (Junior Member) 29 October 2009 8:38 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by siber:
    sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
    I think he/she is saying that should this actually happen, then he/she will be downgrading his 50mb line (using Virgin Media I guess, since they are the only 50mb supplier here at the minute) to a 10mb line, which is the lowest line Virgin Media do.

    Of course, without any grammar, punctuation or a coherent message, it's really up to interpretation!! :)
    Aarkan (Newbie) 29 October 2009 9:08 Send private message to this user   
    I wonder how long it'll take for people to start getting into trouble because wifi leeches are pirating things over their open connections. . .
    nethy (Junior Member) 29 October 2009 9:21 Send private message to this user   
    maybe nobody has told Mr Meddlesome that there are many people in the UK that arent citizens (employers of the government), check it out on www.tpuc.org and I for one am not. Furthermore this statute only applys to persons and as I also not a person (although I have one) it doesnt affect me. Comments after you have researched it folks.
    Devilment (Newbie) 29 October 2009 9:21 Send private message to this user   
    Has Mandy had another champagne lunch with David Geffen? I wonder how much Mandy's being paid by Geffen to introduce this Bill. Not so much cash-for-honours now, as cash-for-laws.
    Alec2 (Newbie) 29 October 2009 9:46 Send private message to this user   
    Good old UK - It takes forever to decide on something, and when they do as usual they go way over the top. In the UK due to everything being over taxed and over priced just about everyone has looked for a way to save money, downloading a torrent file or more is one of them. Do you ban the lot, I don't think so.
    tooms (Newbie) 29 October 2009 10:19 Send private message to this user   
    Quote:
    Quote:
    I agree I think the ISP's will be hurting and ill vote republican as well if Obama passes this law. I don't think that will happen though.
    Why would you do that? The republicans and the democrats are both slaves of the media industry (as well as other big corporations). If you want a change, vote for a third party. Your candidate probably won't win, but at least when the government messes everything up, you can say "I didn't vote for that guy".
    The only way to break the 2 party system is to vote for a third party. My choice would be Libertarian, but it's up to you.
    fgamer (Member) 29 October 2009 18:18 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by siber:
    sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
    No need for him to explain because if he did try to explain any further, it wouldn't be understandable. So it's not your stupidity because he never finished first grade!
    david94 (Member) 29 October 2009 19:32 Send private message to this user   
    if they are cracking down on piracy and pirates,
    we need to crack down on them. HARD
    82Eazy82 (Newbie) 30 October 2009 2:18 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by david94:
    if they are cracking down on piracy and pirates,
    we need to crack down on them. HARD
    .....settle down, masked avenger....
    sj512 (Junior Member) 30 October 2009 6:01 Send private message to this user   
    Quote:
    Originally posted by siber:
    sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
    I think he/she is saying that should this actually happen, then he/she will be downgrading his 50mb line (using Virgin Media I guess, since they are the only 50mb supplier here at the minute) to a 10mb line, which is the lowest line Virgin Media do.

    Of course, without any grammar, punctuation or a coherent message, it's really up to interpretation!! :)

    this is what i meant to say sorry for any confusion and i did finish first grade just
    eiamhere (Junior Member) 30 October 2009 13:48 Send private message to this user   
    nethy, don't follow you mate. I had a look though a few things on that site and found it interesting, don't quite understand what you mean though.
    bogwart16 (Newbie) 30 October 2009 15:41 Send private message to this user   
    Originally posted by windsong:
    Doesnt matter since the mullahs will take over the UK in 20 years anyway, and they will do the same. Guess if you value freedom you should move out of the UK!
    Don't talk like a moron in a sensible thread, and don't post racist crap like this. It's just stupid, and so are you if you believe it.

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 30 October 2009 15:42

    karper (Newbie) 30 October 2009 20:40 Send private message to this user   
    This remember me the matrix movie when Neo needed to hide to hack software undergrounds, now is going to become a pure real life, lets suppose you want a movie that didn't come to your country or a classic hard to find one, which is copyrighted in the respective country, you won't be able to share it to the world and unable to download it, but you cannot even buy it!!!, then you gonna find out the way to share it or download it anyways but has to be totally underground, if you get caught it'll be a legal offense and then u can go to jail, hmm, then ANYONE can go to jail, why? how can u prove you didn't do it? this is an easy way to disapear smart people....remember one little thing: in computer systems everything is posible and really hard to prove that you did or not did something without having an advance computer knowledge and not even, is kinda like the anti-terrorism law.
    To the entertainment industry: is time to thing on lower prices, I like the idea to have a blu-ray show/movies for 5~10dls, think how much everybody can win. (I think is worth to pay 5~10dls that download 5 or 6 gigs for on a blu-ray)
    david94 (Member) 31 October 2009 0:12 Send private message to this user   
    i got an idea!
    store all of your pirated data on a hard drive, cover it up, burry it in the garden and ask ISPs to prove you did it :)
    pspbarry (Newbie) 31 October 2009 4:20 Send private message to this user   
    haven`t you seen this coming? people are so used to downloading for free! films, music, games of all formats ....well now there forcing the isp`s to rat you out or else! i can see why talk talk arnt happy :( Recessions hitting the uk and there tightening there belts, i have been riding the rainbow like the rest of you, but it coming to an end, iam sorry to say.
    xboxdvl2 (Member) 31 October 2009 9:18 Send private message to this user   
    Quote:
    i got an idea!
    store all of your pirated data on a hard drive, cover it up, burry it in the garden and ask ISPs to prove you did it :)

    i know someone whos got a 500GB external harddrive that gets passed around full of movies& updated.
    Personally i think your ISP should have nothing to do with what you do on the internet there job is to provide a connection not to moniter what you use the internet for.technically im a UK citizen even though i live in Australia do these new laws apply to me.If you can download it for free from a website whos got the right to tell you its illegal????

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    david94 (Member) 1 November 2009 7:14 Send private message to this user   
    i totally agree but there is no way they are going to stop monitering us some time soon
    MIKYPLUM (Newbie) 1 November 2009 8:11 Send private message to this user   
    AFTER WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN FRANCE WITH THEIR OWN PRESIDENT, HAVING TWO STRIKE WARNINGS, FOR BREACHING THEIR OWN THREE STRIKES RULE, DOES THAT MEAN ONE MORE STRIKE AND HE WILL GET BANNED, I DONT THINK SO, MONEY TALKS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BREAK THEIR OWN RULING, AFTER ALL POLITICANS ARE ABOVE US MERE MORTALS, AND THE SAME RULING WILL APPLY HERE IN THE UK, OUR GOVERMENT ARE WELL KNON FOR BREAKING THEIR OWN RULES
    david94 (Member) 1 November 2009 8:13 Send private message to this user   
    so what are you saying?
    that we should carry on downloading like we do
    siber (Member) 1 November 2009 11:10 Send private message to this user   
    If you're going to shout, Mikyplum, make sure it makes sense. I love a good rant but I couldn't really figure out what your point was. Politicians are bad, so what's original about that?
    david94 (Member) 1 November 2009 12:07 Send private message to this user   
    ye polititions are bad, thats just one of many things that makes this country ****.thats why im gettin outta here
    ddp (Moderator) 1 November 2009 13:02 Send private message to this user   
    MIKYPLUM, knockoff the caps lock as is referred to as shouting which is a forum rule no no. seems you have been warned at least once before about shouting by another mod in this link. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/802566/4870436
    do it again & you'll get a temp ban or worse.

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 1 November 2009 13:05

    360lifer (Member) 1 November 2009 21:43 Send private message to this user   
    UK, what will they ban next?

    Anyway, first they try to take my guns and now my net? Hells no.


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