Exactly what I'm saying. Some people are just fucked up in the head.

Man, if you can't figure right from wrong, left or right, you got some problems.

"And you´re saying it´s not Ok to be homosexual?"
'And you´re saying it´s not Ok to kill?'
'And you´re saying it´s not Ok to steal?'
'And you´re saying it´s not Ok to lie?'

Where does it end then?

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Ofcourse I´m not saying it´s alright to lie, steal or kill. But you´re talking like homosexuality is equal to murdering someone, whereas I´m OK with gay people.
But I guess opinions differ on this matter quite alot. I also think dRD would prefer us not using the site´s boards for this type of discussion, this place is about technology and other related topics.

No, no, you are getting me wrong, I know about 8 homosexualsand are cool with them all, I just know it's not right and they've even told me how confused they were, but that's besides the point.

Fact of the matter is, if someone wants to filter what they watch, this is an alternative to not watching at all. I don't know who told you that "fuck" and sex have to be seen to understand a flick; unless it's a porno.

The media companies don't care to understand half the filth they put out, if you didn't notice. It's all about the money, and anyway they can get it.

"when applied, filters will filter out... nudity, violence..." yadi yadi "... or anything else that could disturb a clean, good citizens"

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There ain't nothin' wrong with this.

Democracy in America has failed if you can sue someone over your own stupidity, or because you just disagree, or someone does better than you.

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IMHO, the age-old idea of "media is responsible of how our little Joe behaves" is bullshit. The only, and I mean only, responsibility is with the parents and how they bring their kids up with the real life -- most of the kids nowadays are OK and sensible and can think with their own brains -- even though they consume the same media the other kids do. It is the values that families teach to their kids and how do they do it and how much they feel that they're accepted within their family whatever their ideas and thoughts are. (I'm a father of one, hopefully I can avoid making the mistakes in future :-)

And yes, I side Ghostdog -- although totally non-relevant sidekick in this discussion -- in that homosexuality is not "chosen mistake" or "problem", but simply something that someone is. I accept gay marriages, gay adoption and gay priests, I have absolutely nothing against them or anyone else -- discriminating against gay people or thinking that they have "some problem" is like discriminating against people who like to have sex on kitchen table, not in the bedroom -- it's simply their choice and what they are, no one can be "taught" to be a gay, you either are or not. But anyway, everybody has their own opinions, this is just mine.

But stupid invention anyway, IMHO, you make rge decisions to rent/buy the movie when you see its cover, read the reviews and check the PG-13/R ratings -- if people would make educated choices, there wouldn't be any need to develop a DVD player that holds people's hands and tells them "ohhhhh, this is scary, shut your eyes NOW!".

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Certain films rely on curse-words and the likes to create the apropriate atmosphere, if you filter out these things it becomes a different movie - or atleast a different experince.

If people have a problem with curse-words and violence, they shouldn´t watch the films or TV-shows which contain material like this.
Why would people need a filtration-device for nudity and violence? If they have a problem with it, why do they want to view films that contain such material?

One last question: Why do you think homosexuality is wrong? Is it a religious thing?

"the age-old idea of "media is responsible of how our little Joe behaves" is bullshit."

Ummmm, obviously not.

"Those poor americans that have to watch all that terrible content, maybe they should get off the couch and turn off their TV. That is cheaper and alot easier than buying a DVD-player that auto-censurs stuff."

It's all about choice, this choice does not hurt any company or industry AT ALL!


"If people have a problem with curse-words and violence, they shouldn´t watch the films or TV-shows which contain material like this."

OMFG Have you guys ever seen edited movies on a regular cable channel??? Hello? This shit's been around and used for years, just not on DVD, It's the same fuckin' thing, just different format.

If people decide to put HOTSAUCE on thier McDonalds HAMBURGER, this is wrong and they should be sued for taking what they buy and fitting it to their wants or needs? STFU

America is based on a different democratic system than Europe obviously if you believe such a simple choice should be restricted, or maybe you just don't get the damn point.

"Why do you think homosexuality is wrong? Is it a religious thing?"

Loving another man for me is not wrong. Loving another man sexually, intimately? Why don't you think this is wrong?????

If man and man weren't meant to have children or women and women, why would you support them having children and spreading homosexuality?

So in your eyes, it's ok to be bisexual, transexual, homosexual, fuck dogs, what ever gets you off, huh???

Disgusting filth.

And no I'm not religious, I have studied different religions and have found the best religion is morality.

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Indeed, many movies are full of violence (verbal, physical..) and this is not normal. Violence has nothing to do with being a happy person. Unfortunately MONEY are more important to some people (the "big fish") than HAPPINESS. They do have a problem!

About sanitizing those movies: Those affected persons are really happy?.. if they get angry only for hearing "f*"? They do have a problem, too. :)

> IMHO, the age-old idea of "media is
> responsible of how our little Joe behaves"
> is bullshit

If Joe has a strong personality, indeed, Joe remains Joe.

PS. Long live gay people. There are more women for us! ;-)

Hey if anyone wants to censor an R movie and make it 2 mins long it is their perogative, why not let the person choose and not have Hollywood decide how we watch the movie!! For once i would like to be the boss at my house with the movie i bought not Hollywood.

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If man and man weren't meant to have children or women and women, why would you support them having children and spreading homosexuality?

So in your eyes, it's ok to be bisexual, transexual, homosexual, fuck dogs, what ever gets you off, huh???

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I believe that two (or how many anyone wishes to have) adult people can and should do whatever they wish to do with their lives and bodies as long as all parties participating are doing it willingly and people not related to their sexuality don't get harmed in any way. So, yes. I accept bisexuality, s/m (providing that no one is doing it unwillingly), heterosexuality, homosexuality and all other ranges of sexuality. I oppose animal and child molesting, since animals can't make decisions to have sex with other species and children can't make clear decisions when they aren't sexually or mentally mature enough.

And the claim to "spread homosexuality" shows your lack of understanding and lack of information. Homosexuality as well as all major sexual decisions in life are determined when you born -- you can act something that you aren't, but that's just like being a heterosexual and living in homosexual relationship -- or vice versa.

I don't know what the fuck your are missing about this damn article...

"I believe that two (or how many anyone wishes to have) adult people can and should do whatever they wish to do with their lives"

WTF about the way they want to watch movies????????????????????????

You crack me up man.

"Homosexuality as well as all major sexual decisions in life are determined when you born"

WTF, So when has anyone been born into homosexuality?????

You don't know that you like spaghetti when you are born, or your favorite football team.

It's a choice, not a chromosome.

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You kinda pushed the discussion off-topic at first point. But the arguing over this is plain stupid, totally different opinions on things, so there can't be a real conversation over the issue anyway. So, let's drop the whole issue.

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What do my eyes see, has dRD finally implemented markup?

I have a feeling that I pretty much agree with EQ on the original topic, still we debate.

As for the discussion about homosexuality - I could just reply to this: "Loving another man for me is not wrong. Loving another man sexually, intimately? Why don't you think this is wrong?????
If man and man weren't meant to have children or women and women, why would you support them having children and spreading homosexuality?
So in your eyes, it's ok to be bisexual, transexual, homosexual, fuck dogs, what ever gets you off, huh???", but i would just be saying the same things as dRD, since that is exactly how I feel.

How about a FAQ about the markup-launguage, dRD?
Some boards have different kind of implementations, and it would be cool to now which tags you could use.

Hey Admins and mods, maybe we could use this sort of software for 'cleaning up' some of these posts!

Paul.

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This product seems to make sense since some moves just throw in obecenities to get an R rating, which all together just unnecessary and a marketing tactic. If a person wants to watch a movie without having to listen to a character spew obcenities, why not let them? It's not like they're going to take away the obcenities for those who want to hear them. Makes perfect sense to me.

I for one agree fully with the makers of that sanitzer, the F.. word is and will always remain offending. Even if the movie depicts lowlife who [mis]uses the word, it is still not a reason to blare it out aloud. If this means that Eddy Murphy for one would be obiterated, well, he is pretty vulgar as it is (i.e. the Nutty Professor et al) so good riddance.
If these "curses" are your thing, pity for you, but PLEASE allow other people who are apparently more civilized watch their movies in all dignity and without having to endure this. Everybody agrees that Steven Spielberg is a great cineast, count the curses in his movies, you probably have more fingers. Will Smith raps and even has an Emmy award WITHOUT the use of these, it is possible but it demands thinking and thus brains, something what some seem to lack, evidence many of these postings. Bottom line, if you do not want to be offended why not allow these people the option to sanitze it, does it hurt all the ones who probably do not even know the real meaning of the f... word, I do not think so.

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Liberals, and conservatives; atheism, and religion, it all boils down to our upbringing, our conditioning, our influences, and experiences. This has shaped your mind set, which in return has crafted your being into all the biases which you currently have. Concerning who is right and who is wrong,...This should not be considered, because right to one is always wrong to another. So cling to your ideals and look for others who share them. We all know what is right and what is wrong; unfortunately what is right is typically the unpopular way, being straight and narrow. The easy way of the world is natural, and carnal, one filled with good intentions, but no works.

Well said MPAA, for most the easy way it the way to go, no disciplin, no self respect.

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Seems more as if it's a simple choice of wether or not someone might want to watch a movie without having to listen to obcenities for any number of reasons. For example, wether or not they're offended by adult language, they may want to not expose others or children who may be within ear shot. Another example might be a movie that, aside from some adult language, might be considered acceptable for minors or the general public where obcenities are unwanted or unncessary to enjoy a movie, yet otherwise is acceptable for viewing. Many movies are able to be viewed and enjoyed by many on television networks because of such techniques that otherwise would not be able to be brought to public viewing because of this. There really is no down side to this service. If a person wants to view a movie with obcenties, simply don't use the service - end of story for them.

"...simply don't use the service" I reckon censorship will be a compulsory feature for all DVD players in a couple of years if these people succeed. I'm sure people who are offended by "the F word" or "Nudity" wouldn't be interested in such movies.

In my opinion there's too many fuckers whant to ban certain things in my country (Australia) and other countries. They caused Baise-Moi to be bannned over here even though it was legally impossible for anyone under 18 to see it.

I'm with the Hollywood big fish(for once)

Message to the easily offended:
Don't watch, you probably won't like the story line.
Messages to parents:
Educate your kids about the real world.
Disney have harmed my little sister(7).
South Park is educational (You were probably told otherwise).

Kids:
Play outside with your friends, it's good for you.

Let's put things back in perspective. It is just to avoid compulsory censorship and allow "some people" who think that the real world consists of guys F..ing it away, which it may come to a surprise to them is NOT the case. I am 54 and NEVER use nor used these words nor does anybody in my "entourage." It is not because the story line is situated in the "sewer" and depicts low life's that we have to see and hear everything, it can very well be suggested.
If these devices are banned it is an infringement of the always increasing control of the authorities over us, those same authorities who would very well ban all movies with that obcene language, what would be better, having the choice to wander in the sewer, if that is your fancy, or a mandatory ban . . . It boils all down in fact to this: personal choice and freedom, please let us have it (I for one would not shed a tear if all those movies were banned, yet, I accept that it is a choice, so do the same and do not force your fancy on other people, thanks

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"I'm sure people who are offended by "the F word" or "Nudity" wouldn't be interested in such movies. "

I'm not offended by nudity or the "F" word, but it is easy to tell how many curse words were thrown in to make it a 17 and over flick. (Casino's one of my favorite movies ever!) I can understand that without a few of the words the storyline will still be understood 100%.

"South Park is educational (You were probably told otherwise)."

Ummm, I get a kick out of South Park, and if you think it's educational, get a head check.

Just because it let's you in on obscene words, actions, objects, etc. at a young age, then you can ask yourself...

Blink 182: "What's my age again???"

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We have a saying: "Gentleman is a two-part word, to be the former it takes the latter." For those who are not so good in English: "Gentelman contains two words being Gentle and Man, it takes a Man to be Gentle. . ."

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EQ2003, I've noticed that most Southpark episodes have a moral to them which applicable in real life.

Storyline understood 100%? Yes, but will that scene still have the influence?(If the censorship software doesn't remove it completely, which in my opion is most likely to happen)

"Yes, but will that scene still have the influence?"

What do you mean by influence?

Are you saying you can't read someone's lips? Or substituted words like "screw" you aren't understood the same way? As I see it, profanity is somewhat slang for 'lamer' terms.

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I agree with substituting soemthing like "fuck" to something like "screw". But beeped out words, or removed sound is really frustrating for me. Besides, I'm sure censorship software couldn't change what the actor is saying without the support of the hollywood big fish.

IMHO the Hollywood uproar is more a knee-jerk reaction against anything that might be construed as a "moral" stand on the subject than a true stand for "artistic freedom".

I also believe that the media is both a reflection as well as a shaper of society, and that it has been more a shaper than most would want to admit. I believe that much of what is portrayed as "real life" in the media got to be so commonplace simply because we constantly see/hear it in the media. "You are what you eat" so to speak.

Yes, real life has bad stuff in it, but you don't have to wallow in that. Is there no higher level to aspire to?

I hear language coming from 6 year olds that I had never even heard of until I was twice that age and I don't see any positive in that at all. Yes I will try to shield my kids from "reality" until such time as they are mature enought to understand and make their own decisions.

Many times I have seen talented comedians who can be "clean" and yet hysterical but when they have the freedom to do so will use language that is offensive to me. I don't see the need for it except for shock value. If you want to say , "Well, this is just portraying real life", fine, but real life doesn't HAVE to be filled with the "F" word in every sentence does it? This is one reason we make use of a gadget called "TV Guardian" which filters out certain words based on the closed captioning in the program.

CASE IN POINT: Stuart Little

We rented this movie recently and were surprised to find the TV Guardian edited out some of the street cats dialogue. This is a movie for KIDS, for goodness sake! Is there ANYONE out there who would argue that Stuart Little is a movie aimed at ADULTS ONLY?? I agree the movie was very loosely based on the book (basically the idea of a family raising a mouse as a son) but still this is a movie aimed at children.

The hells and damns that the street cats used were ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY to the story. And don't tell me that "Well, these were rough characters so that language was necessary for realism" COME ON, REALISM!! THESE ARE TALKING CATS AND MICE!!

I am NOT talking about showing "Hannibal" to my 4 year old. I am talking about movies where other than having a few instances of inappropriate language would be good movies to share with my kids.

I see no reason why anyone shouldn't have the freedom to limit their exposure to some of this language that has absolutely no impact on an otherwise good story.