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321 Studios prepares for the worst

11 July 2003 14:13 by Petteri "dRD" Pyyny | 39 comments

321 Studios prepares for the worst Whether you agree with commercial DVD backup tools or not, it doesn't change the fact that one of the most important American lawsuits related to the controversial DMCA law is currently being fought between Hollywood movie studios and 321 Studios, a maker of DVD backup tools such as DVD X Copy and XPRESS.

Now, according to a ZDNet's interview with 321 Studios, company has prepared mentally for the worst possible outcome as well and told to ZDNet that if they lose their court case -- i.e. court decides that decrypting the copy-protection found on DVDs violates DMCA law -- they will launch a new line of tools that are identical to their existing tools, but don't contain the CSS code cracking part in them.

Company has also apparently teamed up with ULead and now offers, for limited time, four ULead's video editing products free for users who purchase their DVD backup products.

Source: ZDNet UK

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    Oriphus (AfterDawn Addict) 19 July 2003 19:30 Send private message to this user   
    Well, once you have your copy of DVD X Copy, it doesnt really matter what happens in the court case. Just no more updates!!

    Im gonna find you, and im coming to get YOU!

    vudoo (Member) 23 July 2003 13:57 Send private message to this user   
    Your missing the point guys BUY DVD XCOPY even though there are cracks already out for it. When you buy this program you SUPPORT the fight against the MPAA and RIAA. Help them earn enough money to fight this thing to the supreme court. They should not have to stop and WE ALL WIN. Stop the crap and just BUY the program. If your machine crashes and you loose your reg key, just go to the forums on ES5 and ask anyone for the crack. They will be glad to help you. Or better yet just register your activation via phone. They give you a code and no matter what that will work on ANY computer. So you have nothing to LOOSE only to GAIN.

    Oh and by the way the only people who are telling you NOT to buy DVD XCOPY EXPRESS either are the MPAA or just people wanting something for nothing. If you are afraid to buy on line go to BEST BUY and purchase it like I did. PLEASE DO YOUR PART AND BUY THIS PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!

    Voodoohippie
    (Defender of FREE cyberspace)
    dodgeball (Inactive) 23 July 2003 14:04 Send private message to this user   
    I called customer service and they told me that even if the lose the court case, 321 will continue to support and update the product, just without any kind of ripper that reads CSS protected DVD's.

    That doesn't prevent you (or me) from using SmartRipper or DVD Decrypter and then using Xpress to do your backup.

    The whole thing is kinda silly but until the movie magnates figure that out, it will just be one extra little step on us consumers.

    But really, who cares? And like I said before, I bet someone will develop a patch for Xpress that will make it function just like it did before, even if 321 removes the ripper from their products.

    IMHO
    BlkPnthr (Member) 24 July 2003 5:28 Send private message to this user   
    Go 321 Studios....haul tail and fight for our rights. I, like many have spent a small fortune on DVD's and be damned if I am going to let an official of any type tell me that I can't protect my investment. If people use it to copy stuff they didn't purchase, then, that is their give right but, wasn't why the software was created NOR was is advertised or sold as such. I agree, the only way to help 321 Studios is to purchase the product. I too, do not want my money back.

    Keep up the good fight....

    ~ What doesn't kill you will only make you stronger, or just hurt ~
    vudoo (Member) 25 July 2003 17:01 Send private message to this user   
    Heck if they take the ripping stuff out DON'T UPDATE!!! That is all you have to do. However we need to fight the RIAA and MPAA with all our might. These sapinas and law suits are obnoxious.


    Voodoohippie
    DataHavok (Newbie) 26 July 2003 9:37 Send private message to this user   
    Maybe it's time someone counter-sue the
    movie monopoly and demand that they include
    in their 'license' an obligation on their
    part to replace lost, damaged and stolen
    media (including shipping) AT NO COST for
    any product which they have encrypted.

    If I do not 'own' the DVD's I've purchased,
    and if I have been declined the right or
    reasonable ability (legal, readily available
    products) to decrypt and carry out
    preventative maintenance on those items,
    because of course I am simply 'licensing'
    these items, then it should be the
    responsibility of the company licensing the
    product to me, that they insure I have a
    viable, working copy of the product for the
    duration of the license.

    If the law protects their 'right' to
    uninfringed encryption, and since they chose
    to encrypt those items (after all, they
    COULD just release unencrypted product,
    allowing you to make backups), then it
    should be the media/content providers who
    are in violation of that license whenever
    their encrypted product is lost, damaged or
    stolen.

    Media/content providers should not be put in
    a position to profit from the loss, theft,
    destruction or failure of their media. By
    even attempting to eliminate the tools of
    end users to prevent that loss, theft,
    destruction or failure, the media/content
    providers should become responsible for all
    replacement costs, as a term of their
    'license'.

    If they cannot provide this, THEY should be
    considered in violation of license and
    copyright laws. If they take away these
    tools and provide no alternative for media
    replacement THEY should be the ones sued and
    forced out of business.

    Someone should do a study and find out how
    much media (including videotape, cassette
    tapes, vinyl records, 8-track, etc.) is
    lost, damaged, failed or stolen after it is
    'licensed' to the end user. I'm sure the
    loss to end customers is far, far greater
    than the lost sales in movies and music due
    to electronic piracy. Since the
    entertainment monopoly seeks to prevent us
    from backing up the items we've 'licensed'
    it's time they compensate us for that loss.

    --DH
    samintx (Member) 27 July 2003 11:10 Send private message to this user   
    Question: Are the local rental places doing something to copy protect the DVDs since they now are in the special boxes (like the ones they are in when you buy them) which they must purchase specailly for rental because of the lock. They don't use those old clear plastic boxes for rentals anymore here.

    I am curious because I rent movies (Video or dvd) copy and play at MY convenience be it 2:00 a.m. or 12 noon without having to go rent them each time. Then record over the tape or erase the DVD RW.

    However, I rented 3 movies and the 321 program said they copied but my player said "wrong disk" on all three and my computer did not recognize them. When I copied (for my own benefit and convenience) 321 said they burned OK.....so....anyone else had any problems? or is it just me?
    vudoo (Member) 27 July 2003 17:06 Send private message to this user   
    Are you using +RW or -RW? Some players require -RW disks and some can use both. I don't think it is the rentals doing anything different but I know there are new copy protections comming up all the time. If you did not update your DVD Xcopy Express update it it is 1.52 now and it copies alot of stuff. If that don't work you'll have to use DVD decrypter instead. It is FREE but takes longer because you have to READ the image onto your HD then re copy it to the DVD burner. I used it to make a copy of a copy made with DVD Xcopy. However most DVD's are larger then 4.3 GB. Just try to update DVD Xcopy first.

    Voodoohippie
    www.earthstation5.com
    samintx (Member) 28 July 2003 4:25 Send private message to this user   
    I use both - and +R's because my Vaio will write both. It just seemed strange. I have whatever was before 3.0 Xpress installed. I just downloaded 3.0 so I'm going to try one again and see what happens.

    The disk was written because the disk was not recognized as "empty" but "no disk" in both computer and Phillips recorder.

    Anyone tried the new Sony standalone +/- recorder? very high priced 800.00 here.
    samintx (Member) 28 July 2003 14:28 Send private message to this user   
    Is this old news to you experts: I burn +RW DVDs on my Philips unit. If the videos are OK then I burn a DVD-R on my Vaio computer. I was under the impress you were stuck with +R or whatever if the original DVD was burned in that format. Xpress doesn't seem to mind.

    The reason for burning DVD-Rs is because I was given a large bat of -Rs and rather than use MY DVD+Rs I thought I'd try the format switch. It worked!
    ealcarese (Inactive) 30 July 2003 18:51 Send private message to this user   
    "Company has also apparently teamed up with ULead and now offers, for limited time, four ULead's video editing products free for users who purchase their DVD backup products"

    Where can I find this offer?

    Thanks
    vudoo (Member) 31 July 2003 10:13 Send private message to this user   
    I also heard of DVD Cloner as well. Have not tried it but I think DVD Xcopy is easier by far. I just got that Nero 6 and it is a WASTE OF TIME. You have to purchase yet anouther plug in if you want to convert XviD to DVD. They lead on on with that one. But with DVD Xcopy you do get what your paying for and that is a solid product.

    Voodoohippie
    www.earthstation5.com
    samintx (Member) 31 July 2003 16:31 Send private message to this user   
    AMEN! to voodoohipie !!! Three cheers for a simple product that does what it says it does so easily.
    Wohlhut (Newbie) 5 August 2004 2:47 Send private message to this user   
    Well I guess it happened. 321 Studios is out of business and NOT supporting their products in the United States. Thanks guys, I followed your advice and purchased DVDXTREME and DVDXPOINT and now I can't activate it, and since they are out of business (in the United States) I can't get a refund.

    Thanks again 321 Studios and Robert H. Moore for your lies and deception.
    samintx (Member) 6 August 2004 5:11 Send private message to this user   
    where is the free downloads mentioned in newsletter from Ulead? I see nothing on the Ulead website or here. Thanks
    samintx (Member) 6 August 2004 5:22 Send private message to this user   
    Is 321 Studio the poster child of DVD copying? what about FastDVD copy for the MAC?????? I hear nothing about this company being in hot water. I have that program, too. Like it but could not do without 321 Studio's DVDXPress.
    buzzoon (Junior Member) 6 August 2004 6:14 Send private message to this user   
    "I hear nothing about this company being in hot water"

    Because they are much wiser than 3-2-1 ...
    samintx (Member) 6 August 2004 7:45 Send private message to this user   
    Not smarter. probably because there are only 2% mac users out there. The powers that be just are after the big fish.
    vudoo (Member) 12 August 2004 21:36 Send private message to this user   
    You should get DvDfree43 or better yet get AnyDVD. It cracks the CSS code but DOES NOT BURN IT. You then use Nero or any DVD copy software and poof you have a copy of the DVD minus the extras. You get a copy of the movie which is what you want in the first place. So you are not out in the least. In fact its easer and faster. With Nero it can even test the drive for the fastest speed without errors. So get AnyDVD and copy away.
    samintx (Member) 13 August 2004 5:55 Send private message to this user   
    Does Roxie work well with anyDVD? I prefer it to Nero.
    Comments that we that have the old version of DVDXpress will have to disable anything are foolish. We have the software let the devil take the hind road.

    While looking for anyDVD to download I skipped across a page I wanted to investigate. At the side menu it looked like a thread to translate DVDR-/+ back and forth. Cannot find it now thru a search. I would like to be able to copy DVDR+ into DVD-R. This side menu look like a thread that discussed this.
    vudoo (Member) 13 August 2004 20:26 Send private message to this user   
    I stick to DVD +R or +RW's. they work really good in Most DVD players. I accidentally got a DVD recorder that connected to the TV that only accepted DVD RAM. Those damn things are $10/Disk. Make sure if you get a stand alone DVD recorder you don't make that mistake. Fortunately I have a DVD burner for the computer and DVD X Copy as well as AnyDVD. So fore those really good surround sound DVD's I use the X Copy and for those DVD's that I can just put two movies on a single DVD because it don't really matter to me I use my stand alone recorder. How you have to figure out how to bypass the new anti Digital protection. Its super easy to do it.
    samintx (Member) 14 August 2004 6:06 Send private message to this user   
    searched for DvDfree43 but nothing comes up except references.
    vudoo (Member) 14 August 2004 9:57 Send private message to this user   
    type in google :"anydvd" or "dvdfree43"
    samintx (Member) 14 August 2004 11:11 Send private message to this user   
    I get referred to this website and forum...I tried that before and just now tried it. I can find the other program but not the 43 one
    vudoo (Member) 14 August 2004 13:00 Send private message to this user   
    Try typing this

    :"download dvdfree43" It should give you a Download page. You'll have to Download that Coffin driver whatever if your burner software does not have it. But maybe if you get a demo of Blindwrite you could get the driver. Or just search for that too. Either way I did find it on the net and I have the file.
    samintx (Member) 14 August 2004 20:37 Send private message to this user   
    I did what you said in google and it only returned this formum page twice just like Msft does. I got nothing typing "download xxx" Am I dumb or what???
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