Ha, you called it Nephilim, the free ipod shuffle threads have begun. Pretty damn funny if you ask me. I like how you put "back-up copies" in the " ", why are you acusing us of anything illegal clearmoon, lol, nice. Anyways the ipod shuffle will probally belly-up because of such a small target audience. We don't give two shits about Apple, one is all they're worth. Thank for setting that up for me.

My quotation marks imply nothing - I first discovered AD when I was learning how to backup my own media, and this is (generally) a great community!

Your razor-sharp wit has once again cut me down. Tell me, is your username supposed to be ironic?

the g4s we have don't have USB 2.0, I guess the new g5s do. Although I don't see the point, because when 2.0 came out, Apple made a huge stink about it because it would compete against firewire. Those of you out there who are too chicken to use a REAL computer, keep using your macs with your lame OS X graphics, keep paying more for your software, and enjoy knowing that 95% of the software out there doesn't work for your system. Notice how a lot of mac users want to emulate windows on macs, but you don't hear to many PS users saying "man, I wish I could run OS X on my PC."

Why has no one disscused the fact that you can go get a 1gig SD or CF (SanDisk Ultra 2 and others) for just over $50? Then you could use that cheap priced media in a cheap priced palm/ppc.

I had a new 4th gen. ipod for 24hrs and returned it. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE! Who the hell is going to listen to 20gig of music in one sitting? If your hellbent on having something that looks like an ipod, go and get your self an ipod skin, they're out there (i like ppod)

Then you have no stupid itunes or stupid apple!

BTW I have a PPC HP2215 and I use it to play games, read email, word, excel, connect to the internet, listen to music, use it as a remote for my electronic, watch entire movies and transfer files with ease threw windows explorer and all of this is in color.

Who knows maybe Steve(Hand)Jobs can get Hanson to do the commericals!

djscoop,

I'll take my G5's stability over your PC windows ANYDAY. I have over 800 computers on campus, and I NEVER have to reload or trouble shoot my Mac labs. NEVER. I'm reloading PC's ALL THE TIME cause they crash. PC's are good for 1 thing, to play games on. If you want to do word processing, graphics, yearbook layouts, just about ANYTHING else, a MAC may not do it faster, but it doesn't crash on you 50 times while trying to do it.

The MAC’s have every type of software available for it. They may not have as many, but the ones we have work great. You can’t say that about PC’s.

Before you go off on me for this, I’ve been both MAC and PC certified for years, and have worked on hundreds of both. MAC are , by far, more reliable and more stable.

You only need to look at the number of updates Micr$oft puts out to prove that.

hey rosedog, i'm really impressed with your pc... can you really check email, word, excell, listen to music, and watch movies??? wow, that's impressive... you know the funny thing is that the musicians that produce the music that you are listening to, and the movie producers that make the movies that you are watching on your "amazing" pc are using a mac to do their state-of-the-art work. I used to love my pc when i was 13 and i loved windows and cartoon network, but when you grow up and see the real world you'll open your eyes too. Keep playing games kids, that's what your pc's are good for. And don't forget to do the neverending windows updates, office updates... don't forget to run ad-aware and spybot, check your firewall, and antiviruses, get the latest service packs and hopefully they won't screw your programs... check the internet forums for answers to your problems., "i can't burn this movie", "my pc is not working," "i installed a new hardware but its not working,".... "help please, help..." sorry kids, but Bill gates and even god are using a mac too... haha.

This stupid PC versus Mac argument will end here. The article is on the iPod Shuffle in case nobody noticed.

DAMNIT BEAVIS (Jauzzi) you DUMBASS

I SAID PPC (Pocket PC) as in Hand Held, not some piece of shit mac that no one cares about.

Now go research that shit on you mac!

Drop it rosedog.

okay, no more mac vs PC. the last thing I have to say to tanviper is that if your PCs are crashing all the time, than they're built poorly or poorly maintained. All the macs at my school that have final cut pro constantly crash.

End of mac trash talk.

Just so you know Clearmoon, I wasn't being sacastic or anything. I was thought it was funny, and am pretty sick of arguing with people. Sorry you took it the wrong way.

djscoop,

Hmmm..there DELL's, and I Know there maintained fine.

On the TOPIC, I went to BEST nuy today, they dont know when there going to carry them. Oh well =-(

with 512mb, i can store at least 50 high quality songs, that' sufficient, and it costs only $100, what's a deal !

AND...it is AUDIBLE ready. You can pack books into the shuffle. I bought it for my daughter. My wife has a CREATIVE MUVO SLIM 512 which is also AUDIBLE READY and has the FM, voice recorder, etc which she NEVER uses. The Shuffle is small, compact and price competitive and did I mention it PLAYS AUDIBLE books?
See Audible.com

Steve

I ordered mine a week ago and I think it's a great deal for 1gb. mp3 player that weighs less than an ounce for $150...
I think that I can easily store between 500 to 550 mp3 songs on it and still maintain the quality of the song.

i still dont think apple ipod or apple shuffle is as great as the old CD/Mp3 player, Atrac DNE300 for an example. Not only can u play mp3 files, but also u can play any cd. So now i have decided to buy a cd/mp3 player

It's a good deal for sure but they shaft you for accessories. 30 bucks for an armband case! 30 bucks for a sport case! I got a rca lyra 64 mb I bought for 39 bucks and slap in a sd card(12 bucks for a 128 mb card I bought 2). If the player craps out(it will since I use it outdoors in all kinds of weather) I still got the sd cards and the player came with an armband case, has an lcd readout and last for many hours one 1 cheap aaa battery. I can get another player for another 39 bucks. Still I think I'll try the shuffle and hope accessory prices come down just so I can be cool :)

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And THAT, is how this crap becomes mainstream, and why the high prices are accepted as the norm.

exactly. I say boycott!

Yes, I've started a personal boycott against Apple, and the Pepsi Corporation for their constant trying to make people want their products with advertising and product placement.

my feelings on Apple have gone past boycotting. My absolute hatred for Apple has taken on a life of its own...

how far will your 500-550 (wrong estimate by the way,try 250-350 songs MP3 at a crappy KB/S) go with no navigational button. It has a thumb slider, with three positions, off, Play (in order),and random play. Let's set up a situation. You are on a four hour non-stop flight, ah you have your ipod shuffle to keep you entertained, yes? two hours into the flight you have listened to random play, but you've only gone through half the(aprox.) 1GB. song #300 of your massive playlist is what you want to listen to. Well, guess what, too frickin bad. You can start back at one and wait three hours (uh-oh plane ride over in 2) for that song to come up, or pray that the shuffle chooses it. Inside your head-'WTF was I thinking' That's right you weren't thinking anything at all, that's why you bought a 512MB or 1GB media player with no navigation. A 64MB or 128MB player like this might actually make sense for you runners and sports enthusiasts. How about another situation. You have 200 songs on your shuffle, your running along. 'Hey, I remember this song...what was it's title' oh shit that's right there is no display, inside your head-'WTF was I thinking, 200 songs and no display for that long lost song I loved' damn straight, you weren't thinking. Hey steve88... That book you want read to you, what happens when you have to quick get up and do an important task, you're half way through that book. get up and and miss 10 minutes of that suspense thriller. or turn it off, oh wait a second if you turn it off you start back at page one after your done. Seriously people, you need to think about this thing. On an off note, daemonzx6, you shouldn't move to linux alone unless your a computer programmer. You can buy the software and get the same stuff free. You can get it free for a reason. It has so many bugs, all the versions. The point of Linux is to program fix and debug. No package or tarbell is complete when installed, that's why it utilizes open source codes so you can go back and fix it. I have a partitioned hard drive and out of four tried I chose SuSE 9.2 Professional. I still haven't gotten the cd player fully adapted to my cd drive and I'm working on the bug that makes ripped music sound ghostly. The only packages that are full functional and excellent is the server, networking, internet, and business applications packages. I love working on linux and contributing to the source, but I'm typing this to you with windows XP for a damn good reason. Linux in any form downloaded or buying the latest version is extremely unstable. If you buy it though you can call and they will quickly walk you through the debug. Read about wine, it requires certain parts of windows installed and it "is considered a pleasent surprise, not an expectancy" if an application is sucessful. Your right though, linux is for compiling code. I run both XP and SuSE, it's great. (ret hat sucks and yellow dog is for apple)

just out of curiosity, why don't you like RedHat? I don't use linux, but know alot of people who do, and they all say RedHat is one of the best.

Yeah, I have one of those bays that you can switch out hard drives. I have windows on one, and mandrake on the other. I can't really use mandrake right now though, I can't get my wlan-ng drivers working. I know they should work, I just haven't gotten around to fully going through the whole process, but as soon as that happens, I will use it mainly, except for games and stuff that doesn't work under Wine. As much as I hate microsoft, we're stuck with it.

iPod Shuffle is fluf but it will sell a million. Like Bill said to Steve after he said We're better than You. Nobody Cares. Steve finally got the Microsoft magic answer. People will buy anything with the right marketing. Now Apple uses the we build and you'll buy method of their niche market and brand name.

They'll probably go through what Sony has been for the last few years. They did their own thing no matter what anyone else said to keep you in Sony World and now they're struggling. But, to be fair the same Microsoft magic answer has been working with the PS2.

It is one of the best for functionality, but the interface and navigation tries to be like windows, but it doesn't put applications conviently grouped. Certain architectures have extremely annoying bugs, I used it for a day and switched because it could contact the printers, said it printed, but nothing came out. Other people have had similar problems with the x86. I was rather rash, but if it has a problem with both my printers, I'm not debugging that, that's basic and should work instanly along with a few other vitals. Red Hat I'm sure is great for some people, but v. 9 proffesional pissed me off after the first fifteen minutes, and being linux is all freeware (except support and manuals) It was very easy to switch over. We are stuck with windows, but it's not a bad thing, for the most part it's flawless. I have Windows XP Professional and Norton security package, along with automatic updates I have never had a problem, ever with anything. I dream of yellow dog for PC, it's a sweet system and thus far said to be the most (were talking linux here) trouble free.