can OEM versions of windows be pirated?

no cos oem comes with ur pc and can only be used on the computer.

What happens, then, when your paid-for OEM pc version of Windows decides to crash? (It will, sooner or later).

you do what i do: you use a copy of Windows sent to you from your buddy in Arizona and don't feel bad about it whatsoever cuz HP and M$ are anal retentive money-grubbing jackasses. :D

HA! I Love It!!

You're right, Auslander. (Mine is from Florida, and hell, I'm not even 'Merican). :=)

I see you have 'been around' for a bit, since you've mentioned HP. And I couldn't agree with you more. Hewlett Packard sucks wazoo. Overpriced, rampant DRM cancerized, and Best Buds with Micro$oft.

I won't tell you what I did with my new HP inkjet printer some months ago (I now have a perfectly-functioning Canon), but I imagine a few seagulls are dropping some dumplings on it out in some landfill site somewhere. :)

too bad the seagulls couldn't be dropping nuclear-tipped dumplings on HP and MS headquarters...that would make my millenium.

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no cos oem comes with ur pc and can only be used on the computer

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not 100% true, some manufactures of PCs (time, tiny etc who infact have gone into liquidation yesterday haha) they have there own pressed discs wich dont generally work on other PCs as they somtimes are a restore disc or an OPK (OEM Preinstallation Kit)install setup by these perticuler companys,
but like my company we get OEM versions... These are exacly the same as the retail versions just without the packaging and manuals...
the OEM license is that we can only put it on new systems and not sell it seperatly, unless a computer comes in and wants an upgrade (eg. memory, cpu upgrades etc..) then we can legaly sell an OEM copy to the customer (at the OEM price instead of the retail price)

:)

I wait for OHNOES WAREZ GROUPS to release Windows Updates now.

I wait for OHNOES WAREZ GROUPS to release Windows Updates now.

Yep, wait for the release group to get down to bussiness, and duck tape it. And out the door. Just got to luv it.

Actually I don't know if I can tell details about this. But there is an exploit for Microsoft downloads, and it works best on FireFox! I've tried it and it works amazing. So now it's all about collecting all updates after the last service pack (and this is all OS's, not just XP & 2003).

I had legal version of XP, but when my computer crashed on a Friday afternoon & I had to re-install Windows and it wanted immediate activation - no 30 day leeway because I'd already had the computer more than 30 days, and call to M$ for activation revealed I would have to wait until midday on Monday (I'm on east coast), I downloaded corp files on internet & made a bootable XP cd that didn't require activation. I paid too much $$$; greedy M$ should pay me for 3 days loss of use! I paid for my XP and went through their horrid activation the first time, but I have a problem with having to call and reactivate and I'm always adding, changing, & upgrading my computers.

BUT IT HELPS TO PREVENT PIRACY!!!!!!! IT'S GOOD FOR THE CONSUMER BECAUSE IT KEEPS PRICES DOWN!!

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I believe it doesn't lower or heighten the price of software, I consider changes in prices of software inflation. And for me it's shown through software but more through games. I can't afford to pay $50 for every decent game out there and certainly not $70+ for a real Japanese one.

I bootleg Windows proudly, and a big F word to the profiteering gluttants.

"...never again pay for a service that would be dirt cheap" "-- IF IT WERENT RUN BY A BUNCH OF PROFITEERING GLUTTANTS" <-- Razor & Blade (Hackers)

I am very curious about Linux. How would I go about downloading it. I went to a mirror for Fedora Red Hat 7.3 and it has:

FC4-i386-SRPMS-discX.iso

&

FC4-i386-discX.iso

as well as: FC4-i386-rescuecd.iso and SHA1SUM

Which should I download, the one with the SRPMS or the one without it? Also, would I be downloading the correct Linux? This is one of the ones I heard of. I also heard of Mandrake Linux.

I am sick and tired of Windows Update. Windows Update is retarded. For some reason it thinks I am using a Mac with IE lower than 5, when I have a PC with IE 6sp1. This is for both Windows ME and 2000 pro.

Also, the Xp validation and activation is retarded. Pirates will know how to get past all inconvenience of this, but most legal owners will not. People that use pirated windows do not go through all this crap anyways, so they are just making it bad for legal users. Also, many times Legal XP does not get validated.

Another thing, is that if you are using somthing other than XP sp2 there are not as many updates and support. Windows 2000 is far better than XP, but MS doesn't seem to care much. Once they get all they can out of XP, they will release their new buggy OS and stop support for XP so that everyone can throw out XP and get the new one and waste more money.

OS should not be $300+ especially if it only lasts for about 2 years. After that you are forced to spend another $300 or your computer will not function correctly. At least Win2k lasted this long. So far my fav MS OS. Better than XP and if not for 64bit could have been used for much, much longer.

JaguarGod:

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... Windows 2000 is far better than XP ...

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I think so too, and Win2000 is my preferred OS as well. But you have to be very careful how you update it.

Downloading and installing all the latest Win2K updates - particularly the ActiveX and DirectX updates, will add a lot of silent, sneaky, crippling DRM to your system.

My latest gripe in a long series of gripes is that my burner won't read a growing number of a new breed of copy-inhibited DVDs that keep showing up. The discs, while playing beautifully on a set-top player, are utterly unrecognizeable to my computer. (I can't back them up to blanks if my computer won't recognize the originals).

Notice I said "won't" recognize (not "can't" recognize) the discs? Oh yes, my burner certainly CAN read these discs, (see below), it just WON'T because of that DipShit William Gates.

My latest example: All three discs in Season 1 of the "Happy Days" television box set.



So you know what I did just as an experiment?

I completely wiped my hard drive of Windows-2000, then, installed the relatively ancient Win98-SE instead. (Yep! The old Win-98 system!) Win98, while not exactly the best OS in the world, was pretty much free of all this DRM s--t.

Well! My burner NOW immediately recognized ALL three discs just *fine* thank-you-very-much! I got _perfect_ rips with DVD-Decrypter!

It just goes to show you that micro$oft is constantly undermining your ability to use your own computer as you would like. I thoroughly *detest* a Ballsy Software Company from locking me out of my own equipment!

Alarming also, very much so, is that micro$oft's influence extends to the hardware manufacturers too. In this case - my burner, -- an LG model --, must have a chip in it that recognizes these new "crippled" dvd discs. If you have all the latest-and-"greatest" micro$oft updates, plus a restricted burner, these new discs will be unreadable.

Frig !! :-(

Yes ...... I wish I knew how to use Linux. Compared to windows it is a little less than "user friendly" for most mainstream users, although one would be blessedly FREE of micro$oft's damn, world-domineering, crippling, user-restricting DRM crap.

Most world-wide users of computers don't really know what "DRM" is all about, and that's probably why micro$oft is going to get away with their sleazy agenda.

Ahhrghhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!! :=)

he's paid, what is he trippin for.? so what a few copies are made. people with the money still buy his _hit. he really doesnt have too much comp out there anyway.

A_Klingdon: Do you only have a burner? I've ripped a few new DVDs and I never use my DVD burner to rip, always my old DVD-ROM which is a 16X Liteon, a classic and built like a rock I must say.

(Thanks for replying, tatsh.)

Wow! That's a very good suggestion you make! (I hadn't thought of that). An older DVD-ROM would indeed, not likely support (and totally ignore) the copy-inhibitor flags these new crippled discs carry!

Unfortunately, no, I don't have a dvd-rom. I'd go out today and buy a new one if I thought it would help (dvd-roms are really cheap), but I'm afraid I'd only find current-generation models for sale.

I suppose what I really need is an OLD, "outdated" second-hand (PRE-DRM) model.

Man-oh-man, tatsh, it it any wonder I loathe micro$oft?

(Thanks for your tip!) I will be keeping my eyes open for a used rom). :-)

I'm just about sick stiff of these people saying "Why doesnt someone do something about this invasion of privacy" and "Public backlash is going to be brutal", etc...

Why don't you stop talking and start doing something to protect your constitutional and civil rights.

This Digital Rights Management scheme has been out 2 years already, and NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING has been done. Hire a lawyer, get the ball rolling. Nothing is going to happen unless you do something to make it happen. So stop sitting on your butt waiting for someone else to be your Jesus in heaven.

The Bush administration is obviousley strong religion in america (despite what ever it says about seperation of church and state) - but they don't even respect civilians privacy and fair use rights.

Hire a lawyer. Sue the RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft. Quit taking this invasion of privacy and fair use rights as something to "bitch" about - because you aint gonna get anything done by just sitting back and complaining. Make your self heard. Until I hear about people protesting Digital Rights Management and stuff related to it on the news - its no use even crying "mommy, please help me".

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So stop sitting on your butt waiting for someone else to be your Jesus in heaven.

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Why, Thank You Jesus! (.....er..., I mean f00dl3), Thank You, Lord! Ah has seeeen the Light! Merciful Mother of Mary, I is borned again!

I'm glad to see you so full of piss and vinegar tonight. Tell you what, f00dle, You go out and hire a g------d lawyer. And while you're at it, hire a hundred more - you're gonna need 'em. Like someone else here once (correctly) mentioned, if 321 Studios, with it's millions of $$ and own bank of lawyers couldn't pacify your greedy Hollywood propaganda machine, what friggen chance does Joe Blow have ?? Huh ???

NO, I'm not a defeatest. I'm a realist. And I intend to BITCH about the injustices shoved up my (and your) ass until the cows come home, so get used to it.

I barely make enough $$ to live on. I'm a "survivor". I buy what groceries I can afford rather than shop around for discount attorneys. And me being a Canadian, what do you suppose the odds are that your highly-greased, lavishly-funded, payola-sustained, bought-and-sold politicians, and bottomless-pocketed, monopolistic mega-corps like micro$shit -- would give me, a Canadian, the time of day?

And while we're here, who have *you* written to, lobbied to, solicited, boycotted, .... I have no intention of beating my head against the wall and writing to someone who couldn't care less if I get run over tomorrow by a tractor-trailer.

It seems to me the only way we're ever going to defeat the decimation of YOUR rights, is to stab them through the heart.... (er...) pocketbook. Yes! I'm talking about "HACKERS!" (No, not pirates). REVERSE-ENGINEERS! Patches. Workarounds. Whatever it takes.

And why not? Fight fire with fire I say! No one in government office gives a s--t what you think, f00dl3. And until you make as much as micro$oft, they never will.

In the meantime, I'm just damned glad that we have dedicated forums here at A/D, at Doom9's, and others where we CAN bitch, where we CAN (hopefully) find solutions, where we can learn and educate ourselves, where we CAN fight back, and if that means "illegally" hacking each-and-every newly-devised DRM initiative-of-the-day as it rears it's ugly head, SO BE IT! "Illegal" is just a stupid, meaningless word drummed up by your favourite, local monopoly. As far as I am concerned, THEY are illegal. Period.

So don't chastise ME for calling a piece of s--t for what it is, and by all means, do say 'hello' to your lawyers for me.

Wow ^^^^, in honesty only a company as big as microsoft would have the power to take down microsoft. Truthfully i dont ahve a problem with microsoft at all or windows but they have been called a monopoly before, and class action sued, but nothing. Let it go people.

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Hey maners if Bill G.. don´t fix a cheeper Windows on the market so that al can use a computer in the wild world or built it. We don´t have the Internet today that´s a fact.

Set down the price for Windows!!
You want all pupils shall have a computer in the world.

Then begin start thinking Bill !

I borrow my license one a auktion! That´s good to.. but I don´t like it.

Winge Winge Winge, hmmmmm i dont know why people are so wingy about the Windows Activation it takes like less than a minute if you have the internet no sorry my memory is vague but i think it was less than a few seconds. Anyway if yah dont like it dont use it. There are other options or is it that you need to use Windows. Hahahaha theyve got you and they have me to :-(

http://www.eweek.com

There is a decent article on there about it but i think its about 2 weeks old still good thou.

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I dont visit often but Ive definately enjoyed this visit, learned a bit too! definately a return is in order, I read with interest the happy days dvd burner issues, two topics that do get my hackles right up are DRM , microsoft wga etc etc, they have been at this for a very long time, god showing my age now they never did this with old lp vinyl well not as much anyway but , sony too are nasty sods with chips embedded in mini discs to prevent more than one digital copy , phillips as do all standalone recorders(dvd) have them as you all know and as do standalone cd recorders, I still use 98se Ive gone retro sometimes going backwards is in fact going forwards,one thing 98se may be no longer supported /patched but then again most malware etc is written for xp so give a few years and most nasties wont even run on 98se being targetted at xp and upward so glad i kept mine! i used to be a really goody too shoes kept my pc patched now after wga GROWL ive taken my xp pcs permanently offline gone back to tried and trusted, made loads of ghost backups and said Go Away !!! micro.....b.....s piece of advice keep your old stuff the earlier an older vhs machine ie prehistoric and built like a tank doesnt have nasty macrovision embedded so if you still have old tapes buy one on ebay....the modern decks you cant without a good deal of hassle.thats a useful tip if you have loads of old vhs lying around

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