Around the mid-70s, the MPA went after churches for copying religous sheet music and won a few cases. The problem was that the MPA and the lawyers got all the money. The artist/songwriters never got a cent. The same thing will happen again.

Has the music industry thought this through? Someone hears a song, doesn't know title or artist, just remembers a few words of the lyrics. If they can stick that in a search engine and get the details they need they might actually go out and BUY it.

The idiots obviously dont want songs to exist at all. As someone said earlier they are now beginning to infringe our freedom of speech such as it is. I reckon we should take no notice and elect for a jury trial. I am pretty sure that no jury would convict someone for having the words to a Cliff Richard song etc on a website. Song Lyrics are free publicity for the companies and the artists and help to sell songs, maybe we should just charge the record companies and publishers for buying their products.

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The directors name is David Israelite.

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You mean Jew, right?

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What does that tell you about him?

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That you think that he's a Jew, and that's a problem.!! RIGHT!?

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I know what it tells me.

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Yes!!!! It tells you and everyone that you're a bigot and proud?

The same thing that we think you're telling yourself too.

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g$$$

Read my earlier post for my honest opinion.

I'm not defending him or his policies because I think that they're wrong.

What I was doing was repudiating you and your choice to use him as a cause to denigrate an entire group of people.

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Can you say S-Y-K-E-S?

People like you don't help a cause, you hurt it, by proving that only the lowest common denominator support's it. Why don't you just say what you are, a Neo-Nazi skinhead, with 3rd grade language skills and a full of hate for everything that is better than you.

g$$$

Can you say S-Y-K-E-S?

People like you don't help a cause, you hurt it, by proving that only the lowest common denominator support's it. Why don't you just say what you are, a Neo-Nazi skinhead, with 3rd grade language skills and a full of hate for everything that is better than you.

Sophocles, I think engaging in any way with this little boy with the dirty mouth and the undeveloped mind is merely wasting time. He hides behind anonymity and has nothing to contribute other than a nasty smell. The best procedure is to continue the debate about lyrical copyright as it began and possibly make a formal complaint. Racism is a criminal act in many countries, let the authorities deal with him.

frankacne

I agree with all that you say, but even still I would reply to such ignorance, to do otherwise is to condone it. On one end we have a debate about how the works of artists can be reflected and enjoyed by aficionados' and on the other we have this human poison polluting the waters of intelligent debate.

OK Sophocles as you wish, but if you decide to make a formal complaint to the mods or whoever, I am witness to what has been said and have made a copy as evidence to be used as needed.

frankacne

Thanks, but I'm sure the mods have already seen this decay and will respond to it in their own time.

OK mods! Where are you?

don't worry as read his piece & banned the idiot. edited both g$$$ & part of Sophocles's posts. sorry about that Sophocles! been here for about 10 minutes, what took you so long to call!!

ddp

No big deal, better that I lose some words here and there than to allow this idiot be allowed to pollute the well.

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Sophocles! been here for about 10 minutes, what took you so long to call!!

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I wanted to make sure that others read his content and caught his grammatic innuendo. His post could have been left forgotten as it was with no repudiation.

was just bugging you as i edited on the 10 minute piece when i saw your post calling out to the mods.

ddp

You're proving to be a great mod with very large eyes and ears. LOL

Bigots such as g$$$, offer nothing of benefit to anyone.

except for maybe others of his kind!

How true, they do seem to find each other.

What really makes mad about this, its that these companies (MPA or RIAA) always shield behind the songwriters and singers saying "the Songwriters and the Singers will get homeless beacause if you download and dont buy their things, we cant give em their 10 cents of share. Because will get ruined." All they want is money for them and only them, so they can keep their expensive lifestyles.

This is absolutely ridiculous! The MPA trying to shut down tab sites and lyrics sites because they are, ‘ not making enough money and they’re not as rich as they used to be’ Oh Boo Hoo! Poor them! Best “shut down lyric sites” so that the only way people will ever find out the words to a song is by giving these nice innocent people at MPA about £15 of their pocket money so they can buy a lyric book. WAKE UP! People can figure the words out themselves you stupid idiots! I couldn’t believe a claim made on the BBC website that "Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing," Oh, the poor songwriter…has anyone ever seen this ‘song writer’s’ tab book in a music shop. Or is it just me who has notices that all the tab books are from huge artists such as Green Day and Blink 182 – and I highly doubt we are depriving them of a living by not buying there tab book…after all the MPA is only looking out for it’s artists interests, not its own…right? Maybe the MPA should also charge people for the lyrics and tabs along with hearing the song…just in case people “remember the words” without purchasing the lyrics, and “figure out the tabs” without purchasing a tab book.
I can thank tab sites almost entirely for me learning to play guitar. If I had been stupid enough to pay £15 - £20 for a tab book, probably with about 12 –15 songs on it 3 years ago, I highly doubt I’d be anywhere near the level of playing I am today, let alone if I would still be playing! It’s educating mostly teenagers about the techniques, styles and damned hard work needed to play guitar, or any other instrument. Surely that’s a more positive hobby than alcohol, drugs and crime. I try to see the MPAs point of view, but I simply cant see it as anything other than blatant self-interested way of depriving everyone of the resources needed to learn guitar, so that they can increase their huge incomes by a half a percent.
From the BBC website - “Mr Keiser said he did not just want to shutdown websites and impose fines, saying if authorities can "throw in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective". Jailing people for giving people the resources needed to learn an instrument?! I suppose in the MPA’s eyes, the people who run these tab-sites are malicious, immoral, beady-eyed computer nerds whose sole intention is to deprive the poor songwriter of bread and butter.
I suppose file sharing of music files is somewhat more controversial and has fairly equal arguments on both sides, and the MPA does have a point...to an extent, but this is just out of spite. I think if people have any morals anywhere, they will realise that tab sites and such are NOT depriving artists of a living, and that they ARE HUGE LEARNING resources for those who have the dedication, time and pure effort to learn an instrument.
It seems people are desperate to demand money everywhere you turn these days…

Spite and greed is nothing new for the recording industry nor many of the artists. They dont want artistic control they want total control and dont give a damn what damage they do to music or the other arts in the process. However, like file sharing they will never really be able to controll it. To do so they would have to literally shut down the NET and the music publishing business.
If a song can be played it can be copied, if a lyric can be heard it can be remembered and copied. In both cases it can be streamed, pirated, copied and published. To controll all this would cost them all their profits and much more. Truth is that most young people now realise that they dont really need the major companies and labels any more, as long as there is the net, they can publish and market their own stuff without the bloodsuckers. Who for instance really needs Macca and his tunes except EMI and there is a pervers pleasure in seeing the greedy devils locked in legal meltdown.
My contacts in China tell me for instance that they know they cannot even control the huge amount of piracy of music and have quietly done a deal with the pirates and agreed to accept as little as a £1 per disk rather than the normal cut, because it suits them. Most old songs do not sell enough in the West to make large profits, even for the pirates and only current top forty tunes have any real value. Old songs do however still have a market in the far east and developing world. Consequently they will take what they can get and will not spend a kings ransom on pursuing hoards of little guys and gals who have little or nothing to give even if the legal parasites could catch up with them.
Peer to peer has many other vital uses and benefits besides allegedly illegal sharing of files and it should not be villified in order to chase a few genuine crooks. Tens of thousands of people go online every week now and there is no really effective way of anyone controlling it. Long live the Internet community. "Hi Ho Silver Lining" is a terrible old disco favourite that i am singing along with as i type this. So Sue me!!!

EMI is being taken to court for non-payment of $52,000,000.00 of royalties to the John Lennon estate, Paul McCartney, and quite a few other artists.

Seems to me that protecting artists is the furtherest thing from these peoples minds.

ha, ha, harr! EMI ..... That will teach you for acquiring a certain logo from a German record company as a reparation payment after the world war.

Woof, woof, woof. Now where's my gramophone? lol

Syeberman