havnt seen you in so long. im accually atuned to the features bluray allows, with java suppost for anything imaginable, 1080p display capabilities, and the overwhelming movie studio and corperate support, aswell as the ps3 since the ps name is so popular and it will get into so many homes.

Uhall
hes not the only one that likes blue ray,altho I curently hate the PS3 *L*

however it dosent realy matter with format we like or dont like the industy will pick one in time..

The consumers are a part of the equation as well as the manufacture in determining what format wins, it's not a one way street else the format would already be determined. Lets face it the more competition the better even with the different format issues. For the $400~ difference I'd still go with BluRay, it's a better format (larger capacity) and that to me is the most important aspect. Unfortunately performance doesn't always win out look at the old Beta/VHS fight the weaker format won. I'm not impressed with Sony's antics right now and steer away from them in most cases however that doesn't mean I won't buy Sony stuff it just means I'm cautious to their products. Besides Sony isn't the only player there is a pretty even split between manufactures and most of them have issues as well.

its going to take at least 1-3 years for the frist new format game to come out and add another 1-3 to have a final victory in the new format war.
SO whineing aside its just a game of wait and see...like the PS3's real specs...LOL

Price is steep, but with a 1TB drive, its not a bad deal. All the inputs, plus ethernet connectivity makes it a fair price. 92 Hours of hi def is 45+ 2 hour shows. How many people keep that many hours? lol

Give it a year or so. When prices drop to sub $500 for players, its on. Let the best format win.

At prices like these, I am not sure who they are hoping will purchase this format.

That's a down payment on a car, mortgage, ouff.

No way would I ever consider buying.

hot_ice
I could build me a nice PC for half that ;_;

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It doesn't matter which format wins, the average joe will be the one who gets screwed agin. I won't be buying either one any time soon,maybe in a couple of years when the prices come down.

UHALL
Well is nt a fact that any time new formats come out the avragejoe gets screwed anyway? LOL
this is why we joes wait for a winner :P

I hope for another format cd's are always a problem.Blue ray will suffer from minor scratches and will be a pain for us.
Hope for the development of the Holographic card.

voyager
ya tell me about it the cart case design is fing great but the bastards wony use it.....fining mororns dont they get it sicne the data on the disc is so easily to screw up I'll have to make more copies of my movies and games *L*
or is that what they want for us to buy the blnaks? 0-o

The card is in pampers right now a single card can hold up to 30 gigs and is 3 times faster than a blue ray dvd.
http://mobilemag.com/content/100/102/C4102/
wow!30 gigs in a pocket.

voyager
Ya to me its jsut assine not to use the cart I mean a DVD can get by with a smudge but these new formats use more room for less space makeing any damage to it critical.
I sone how dout they have made scratch proof plastic yet....this is why a cart design is perfect,hell with miniturization you can have a slim cart design for the new formats but will they do it hell no..

The card is umbreakable

There is no point at all that somebody needs all this in one set-top box. It's obviously marketed to the non-pc conscious. Just get a basic HD-DVD player/recorder andbe done with it if that's what you want. And a 1TB drive...please, it's probably just 5x200GB raided together. I can build my own Toshiba RD-A1 HD DVD recorder for half that like someone above said. You know what it's called? A computer.

"yeah, even a bluray burner is only 1k"-

Since when did this happen?

"The consumers are a part of the equation as well as the manufacture in determining what format wins, it's not a one way street else the format would already be determined."-

Yes, which is exactly why bluray will fail like every format Sony makes, because the neglect the fact that the one thing the consumers and manufactures have in common is an interest in the cheapest price.

PS. - in advance- farewell BLURAY

Cinnjerm
the funy thing is tho the diffrenace in price in 2-4 yars will be nothign compared to the 20-80% it is now...this format war is ot quite like the rest and will take time to sort out.

The consumer will Always pay for and get screwed by Big business. We are the guinea pigs , all consumers are . It has always been that way and it always will be. It doesn't matter if its microsoft or sony or any big company , they all want your money at all cost as long as it lines there share holders pockets with DEAD Presidents. Look what MS did with the Xbox360 , and I am one of the stupid ones who dropped 700$ the day it came out. I have learned my lesson and will wait until I can buy a P3 or Blueray or HD-DVD at a normal price.

UHALL
ouchie,how may tiems have you had to return the 360?

Only once the same amount of times I had to send back my P1 and P2 and my Xbox. It doesn't matter which company makes the systems they all have bugs. I play my modded xbox more than any of these other systems.

UHALL
YA you have a point but it jsut seems the 360 is haveing a longer return mode,the Xbox is a great lil emluation machine plus it can do Xbox games *L*
I want to get one sometiem soon,if they didnt rush the 360 so badly and made full backwards complity out of the box or at least 90ish% BWC I would have a 360 by now....hardware issues aside....but currently the 360 is a half assed next gen machine whitch has yet to out do my comp graphics wise...altho it should only take them a year to get a 20-40% boost in preformance.
BTW I have a 360 on my to get list but I lost my notes about the prodution date for the newer release that has the newer chipsets and all that in it,would knowwhat date the 2nd revistion is?
when I get one I do not want to get a lemon frist gen *L*
also know any games tht have a auto runing demo of some sort I wouldnt mind leave the system on over night in my AC cooled trailer and give it a good brun in test...altho if I could find a game to kill 4 or 5 hours with that would be as good *L*

I have been thinking, after the P3 is out for a little bit it would pay to buy one strickly for the B-ray DVD.You could also play games, but from a B-Ray DVD point of view it is cheaper than buying the stand alone DVD player. You also need to wait and see which format becomes dominant.

UHALL
there is no dout a PS3 low or high end is the cheapest BR player going,altho we wil find out within the frist year if SOny has the steel balls to hold the PS3s price.

I see it going down at least 100 in the frist year,if you can ait wait till at least the next Xmas cycle befor tagging one ^^

Speaking of tagging one when the hell is it going to be released?

The only thing thats really interesting about HD-DVD is that its not Blu-ray if you aren't into that format.

I am not a B-Ray fan or a HD-DVD Fan I am tired of hearing about it. It will be interesting to see which one will sink the other. If B-ray sinks so goes sony and the P3.Maybe 360 was smart leaving the option open for which ever format wins, then it will be as simple as buying an add on.