The HDD is not permanent.... its upgradeable so no doubt also formattable. I think having a browser is somewhat useless, but whatever, somebody will use it.

Your comment about a decentralized system is unfounded. I read on this stuff constantly and they have never cited that it will be up to individual compnys to handle servers. In fact they have worded things so it sounds more against that. Essentially they have a system much like XBL just a different system of pay, which is cool by me.

What? MS can say "a customer should get options" unless it comes to what content you want online? Come on guys, don't try to set a double standard now.

Ludikhris

Ludikhris
MS says that untill that set the HD in stone(meanign you can stick a 200GB HD (with slight aleration) in it but it will stil format and use 20GB) and monthly/yearly pay schemes where you have to still pay for "extras".


I wonder if MS will even blink when PS3 goes online,its setup is alot better and theres no reason that live cant make a free version of itself to match it and the pay version will just have more extras.

Does anyone know how high will the price be on the PS3, let's say if I would bid on it on EBAY. Will they be asking over $2,000 for it on EBAY or will it be higher since Sony is only releasing a few? And how soon will I be able to walk into lets say Circuit City and purchase one at regular price???

only idiots buy from ebay, so prove us wrong. camp or get it after xmas, dont waist your money. another 3 months and there will be so much more you can get with it..

anubis66
I wouldn't say that ebay is better than walmart when it comes to deals and ebay had a better selection of stuff,however it becomes more tricky when you try and get your money back between fully reading a page Ebays protection setup and paypals protection setup its not so bad,but when it comes to new tech or the new consoles they do get flooded with arses who don't care and sell the box the system came in for a grand.

Sweeeeeeeeeeet the only bad part is tekken needs to go online

First off Gran Turismo HD is only i repeat only a upscale version off Gran Turismo 4.They are not going to charge you 50.00 bucks for a games not have any Cars online.This is commonsense.Gran Truismo 5 is due out late next year so i hope this clean up some of this idiot stuff being said that the game going to cost hundred dollars or etc etc.....

http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/gran-turismo-5/

i heard it will take over 700 bucks to fully pay for everything offered. the basic game with few cars and tracks should be 10 bucks.

Zippy....

are you saying 360s HDD is not upgradeable? Cause I was talking about PS3 (Mr Ken said it would be upgradeable, I didnt pull it out of my butt, though I imagine its Sony HDD upgrade only)

If you were talking about the PS3, then who cares what MS says? Suddenly they have some sort of inside perspective on the PS3?

Ken has actually repeatedly said that the PS3s HDD will be NECESSARY to upgrade in the future for many users as 60gb is not even enough.

Ludikhris

and Microsoft will cringe when both Wii and PS3 release. Come on. They are direct competitors, to say they won't blink is completely wrong, and you know that.

"Our major competitors are releasing their products. Do we really care?"

Come on, give Microsoft some credit. They are not as dumb as you think. They will definitly react much more than just slander.

Ludikhris
unless MS changed their minds or their are mod kits out the 360s HD is stuck at 20GB no matter what you put in it,I think you can add on a USB HD for save game storage,not sure tho not instrested in the 360 that much.

the PS3 HD is very upgradeable they didn't handicap it but the system itself is only halfy upgradeable they would have done better t make the low end cheaper and more upgradeable better to pay more for each add on than to pay 500 a once.

Ludikhris
Wont blink=change their online service ,I thik MS will stick with what they have for a year or 2 then finally seeing the light they will change it then.

The PS3 is upgradeable thats why it has a 10 year life span because Sony said that they was going to offer upgrades so they wont have to make a new system for a while & also that was the reason for Blu-ray a new format that early in it stages.They didnt sit around and wait like they did with the DVD drive.I have alot of respect for them going in a new direction and not follow the same path as someone else did.I also feel the same way about Nintendo for doing there own thing also & not repeat the past.

DamonDash
Mmmm I think the main reason it has a 10 year life span is the BR itself ,the HD is nice but realistically undeed sicne it just stores demos,patchs and music and pics the moders will put the 100GB and bigger HDs to use running games off the HD as well as all forms of media sony will try and stop you from playing.


MS just totally messed up on the 360 even thos its cheaper its not worth the money.

Sony has said it will use the "full scope of the law" to block the importing of PlayStation 3s (PS3) into Europe before its official release......

"Therefore, we will utilise the full scope of the law to put a stop to any retailers who chose to do this."

.....He pointed out that the Japanese or American PS3 models would not play older European-sold software for the first two PlayStations, would not play EU Blu-ray movies or DVDs, and would not be covered by a warranty.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6076354.stm

- That's nice of them.
I wonder if they'll actually take anyone to court over it or extort a settlement out of court like the film and music industry do nowadays?

Don't be trying to get around the Blu-ray (or games) region coding with an import now, y'hear!?

(and if you do get one anyway be careful what you get if you go online with it, crafty firmewares beware! :lol: )

BTW - anyone heard the latest PS3 rumour (hinted at by Bloomberg's recent report on Blu-ray component shortages and Sony failing to hit production targets here - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=n...id=aUar.WY0i2aU )?

The whisper is that the (already delayed) PS3 European launch in March isn't happening until May 2007 - if not a little later.

correct me if im wrong is the online gaming becoming so big that in the future the will sell you an account to play online instead of games... hey I have an idea how about sony comes up with a consule for under $50.00 and all it plays are online games strip the guts out and make it broadband ready or wireless and you only pay for gameplay and it has no hdd or dvd just a stright up gamers machine..... this would keep anyone from coping the games and noone could mod the base unit.. just a thought and this way its cheap enough to hand a child and say go play heres you online game card to let you play ... its just a thought .. but maybe the cost of the units would come down and more people would want one and they could make their money on hosting the game not the units......

the minimum ten year life means only it will be in production that long. just like how the ps1 was disconinued awhile back for ps3 production. they dont mean that no new ps will come sooner.

hughjars
its silly the PS3 is not completely region free and thus whatever hope they have to limit chipping killed dead to force the regioning of movies is assinie whos going to buy a 500+ system and not be able to play movies from your country complete morons....


mystic
streaming or subscription gaming is still decades off
the will lose half of thier sales if they do a online only setup.

anubis66
duh to me the PS3 has the power and the disc/HD capacity to last at least 7 years then then add tweaks and overhauls of the system add another 2 or 3.
Even if MS hacks together a Xbx 2 in 5 years there would be no reason why the PS3 would need to be replaced.

sony just sued lik - sang out of buisness ... because it was buying systems at retail cost and then reselling them in different countries... which is bullshyt to sue for that. if i buy something with my own money ..i damn well should be able to sell it to whomever i want for whatever price i can get.

fk sony.

survey77
its a tipcail corperate reaction,sue them to ddeath,they did it to bleem they are going to to it to importers soon the consumers will be sued for not being mindless slaves to the game/system....

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