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| ofolion (Senior Member) 28 October 2006 10:21 |
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I'm also confused, if he didn't do any sharing of copyrighted materials himself, then he probably should of got away with it, shouldn't of pleaded guilty i guess?
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| georgeluv (Member) 28 October 2006 11:18 |
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so in the us did they force the legislature to make up an offence that is "conspiricy to comit copywrite infringement" or can anything be "conspiricy to comit [blank]"?
3,000 and 5 months is a walk in the park for helping distribute multiple hundreds of thousands of copywrited works.
in america we prosecute the free transfer of information but in china they let it go like wildfire, makes you wonder wich one is realy the "land of the free"
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| Gradical (Junior Member) 28 October 2006 13:42 |
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I bet you that the chinesse music and video industry starts producing billions a year and i can betcha they will start jailing and convicting whoever distrubutte their matterials, its basical animal incstincts inside the human being we`re predators after all ;)
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| ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 28 October 2006 17:17 |
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conspiracy to commit copyright infringement.
in other words
conspiracy to infringe on public rights around the world.
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| o71g (Junior Member) 28 October 2006 21:01 |
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Thats another fine mess you got me into Stanley!!!
Sounds like he's paying for the 133,000 members sharing.
I would imagine that he pleaded guilty because he was adviced he couldn't win this one and they were going to make an example of him.
A sad time for torrent networks!!!
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| xhardc0re (Inactive) 29 October 2006 1:21 |
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I agree with The_Fiend
u never plead guilty, or accept the first offer given to you by the prosecution. NEVER...ever.
As for these guys, is that 2 million figure about right? If so then KICK ASS!! That's over $20 million deprived to the blood-sucking corporate vultures. If people would stop downloading all the crap movies (mostly anything released by Hollywood in the last 5-6 yrs), then the BT/P2P traffic would prob be much less than it is.
My idea is to either run a tracker using a proxy service, and/or run it off a server outside the U.S. entirely. Other than the seeders (which can easily hide behind multiple stringed proxies), the entire site will be mostly outside the hands of the authorities. Unless China decides to get in bed with these a$$holes, in which case, they will have entirely sold out...
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| ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 29 October 2006 1:27 |
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xhardc0re
please the corperations would claim imonantdomain over it since its infringing on their IP/CP,it would be easier to just have the goverment tax the net and make sharing leagle then all the software company's would have to do is have the updates only avalbile to people hat has fuly registred with all thier keys and such.
but then again the governments of the world kiss up to the corperations and then they wonder why things go wrong....
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| Mik3h (AfterDawn Addict) 29 October 2006 9:24 |
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Quote: never plead guilty, or accept the first offer given to you by the prosecution. NEVER...ever.
Sounds like you talking from experience there, hardcore ;)
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| Chris1000 (Junior Member) 29 October 2006 10:03 |
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That is the first thing that they teach you as a defense attorney in law school - Don't take the prosecutions first offer.
Usually, if they have enough evidence to convict you, they will not WANT to give an offer in the first place, period and done with.
The Elitetorrent's admin should have told them politely to "Go pound sand!" and looked for a new lawyer if he was advising him to take the deal.
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| ZippyG (Inactive) 29 October 2006 13:29 |
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Wow, there was really no solid case against this guy...he should have stood and fought, possibly enlisting the assistance of the EFF.
BTW- I think this case was already open and ongoing from the prior incident where the admin of this site was busted for allegedly being involved with the distribution of the star wars movie prior to its theater release.
OT: Can anyone post some links to other US-Based bit torrent sites or trackers? Or was elitetorrents the last of them?
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| hot_ice (Senior Member) 29 October 2006 18:44 |
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They could not afford attorney fees, that's why they pleaded guilty.
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| Gosurf101 (Newbie) 29 October 2006 21:24 |
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I would have at least got an public defender. I mean that is one right they should have used.
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| anony22 (Newbie) 30 October 2006 7:34 |
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i knew grant personally, he was barely an admin of the site. he was an uploader with top access and provided the uploaders with the content to upload to ET's website.
he had a lawyer, barely a lawyer anyways, and yes, i think he made a mistake signing the first plea to but he told me he just wanted it over with ;/
guess it aint over though
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| o0cynix0o (Junior Member) 30 October 2006 16:11 |
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I to would want it over with but not at the expence of my freedom. And does this mean I should get my grand ma out of town. ha ha ha. Wouldn't want her to end up going to jail, like that old lady in Florida.
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| t3ddyo (Newbie) 30 October 2006 21:09 |
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"I agree with The_Fiend
u never plead guilty, or accept the first offer given to you by the prosecution. NEVER...ever."
"That is the first thing that they teach you as a defense attorney in law school - Don't take the prosecutions first offer."
Did anyone consider the possibility that maybe this wasn't the FIRST offer, or did i miss part of the article?
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| ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 31 October 2006 1:28 |
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this is a civail case right? you only get a public arrenery when its criminal,for civail you will only get one IF your state or city has soemthign setup.
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| garmoon (AfterDawn Addict) 31 October 2006 16:28 |
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This is why only the rich can afford an attorney who can protect a person's rights. I agree they should have never pled guilty. Should have retained a new lawyer. Sounds like they got bad advice. You get what you pay for. Unfortunately that's also the case in the medical and most other professions. The poor and middle-class suffer. JM2C
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| craftyzan (Member) 31 October 2006 19:04 |
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A smart admin would run a tracker in open water on a boat in neutral water, and move frequently, and SURE AS HELL not in the USA which is in bed with the MPAA.
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| anony22 (Newbie) 31 October 2006 21:51 |
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he accepted the first plea he received, just like scott did
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| jetyi83 (Member) 2 November 2006 10:01 |
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what an asshole lawyer he got..
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| MCSA1099 (Inactive) 2 November 2006 12:34 |
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wow, performance artists are honestly making me sick and I know it's not just hurting them but the people behind the music, technology is not going to stop... were going to break through anything and everything
PS: Jay Z makes $1,000,000 a show for a 50 min. performance well thats $20,000 a minute, wow everyone should be thanking me for stealing music
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| seb32 (Member) 8 November 2006 16:05 |
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ya, pirating a song or thirty isn't that much of a deal... until everyone starts doing it.
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| ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 8 November 2006 16:33 |
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stealing music is not the problem,the RIAA that poorly distributes money to artists and assaulting the consumers,if they would streamline and get with the times they would make as much if not more,but much liek the goverment why change for the better of all when you can stay the same and horde it for yourself.
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| seb32 (Member) 8 November 2006 17:15 |
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Quote: stealing music is not the problem,the RIAA that poorly distributes money to artists and assaulting the consumers,if they would streamline and get with the times they would make as much if not more,but much liek the goverment why change for the better of all when you can stay the same and horde it for yourself.
Exactly.
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| bmx_punk (Junior Member) 29 July 2007 23:32 |
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yah just like every one else its all bs f^&( a holes
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| Ripper (AfterDawn Addict) 30 July 2007 1:04 |
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What the hell was that about? >.<
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