oofRome
I'd pay 800-1200 for a PS3 with HD and BR without a 2nd thought.
least that way it'd be done and over with :P

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Why do people compare the sales of the PS3 and Xbox360 in Japan and state that the PS3 is the console winner? Yeah, big whoopy di do, they sold more PS3's in 2 months than Xbox360 sold in a year (in Japan.) It's only Japan.

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If you don't know why this is a big reason then dismis yourself from this tread.Because Japan like it or not is the world biggest Electronics retailer not US OR any other country so why make a statement like that if you don't know what your talking about.

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The 360 is outselling the PS3 in North and South America, Europe, UK, Australia some of those places the PS3 isnt even available yet. Which means at the end of the day the 360 is getting more and more units out the door every day while the PS3 is not.

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So i take it that you didn't know that the 360 launched a year ago so that might have something to do with that.

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Because Japan like it or not is the world biggest Electronics retailer not US OR any other country

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Japan may be the world's biggest electronics retailer (read:manufacturer/seller) but I think the US/North America is still the largest market (read:buyer). For CE companies the market and the buyer is still what counts for their bottom line. Case in point: Of the first 500K units of the PS3 - 400K went to the US & Canada while 100K went to Japan. If Japan had the biggest market in the world then more units would have gone to Japan.

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Just a few facts for this 'market' debate -

Japan has approx 127 million people and a barely growing & rapidly aging population - faster than anywhere else btw.

The USA has approx 300 million (331 million for the whole continent with Canada) and a growing population.

The 27 countries of EU Europe has approx 500 millions, with slow growth and an aging population.

The Japanese market compared to the US & EU is tiny.

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The Japanese market compared to the US & EU is tiny.

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Exactly right. One would imagine that CE companies (including Japanese ones) will base their marketing decisions on sales projections for North America, the EU and maybe even China (which has the potential to become the largest market in the future.)

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Just a few facts for this 'market' debate -

Japan has approx 127 million people and a barely growing & rapidly aging population - faster than anywhere else btw.

The USA has approx 300 million (331 million for the whole continent with Canada) and a growing population.

The 27 countries of EU Europe has approx 500 millions, with slow growth and an aging population.

The Japanese market compared to the US & EU is tiny.

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Thats population just because you have so many people in that market does not add up to who is spending money.There a reason Japan gets all the new electronics before the rest of the world do because they spend more money than the rest plus they are not called the electronics capital of the world for nothing.I don't want this to turn into Japan vs the world tread so lets get on topic i was just showing why Japan have a major impact when it come to console's i'm pretty sure we would agree on that.

Why are people still judging PS3 to 360 when PS3 just came out. It don't make any since to do that being 360 has been out a little over a year PS3 3 months. That time frame will never add up until PS3 is out long enough to correct everything that 360 has done its system. Plus people can argue all they want about paying $500 - $600 for a PS3 but in the long run you already paid that and then some with 360 and they coming out with a newer 360 which your gonna kick out some more money. M$ makes you pay for every bit of the use of your 360 at every level PS3 doesn't. Once you get a PS3 their online service is free but still needs some improving thats the only edge at this point that 360 has over that system but as for cost why did 360 come out a year later with a HD- Dvd player for the 360 most money you need to spend if you want it. M$ points to get game updates more money spent online subscription more money spent, little cheap games in 360 market online more money. As i said M$ is nickel dime the hell outta people since its systems been out. Now as for PS3 im certain there are some cost with the use of their system but they giving you more with the system once you get the PS3 with the 60 gig drive your done for a while 360 is making another drive to put on a 360 more cost outta your pocket. People really need to look at the big picture M$ is really over charging you but because PS3 cost is high to begin with people are saying it ain't worth it i don't agree at all. Now my last comment on this is graphics as i posted on my last comment at this point they are neck and neck with graphics PS3's are a little bit brighter but at this point this is the only difference. If you paid attention it took 360 6-10 months before we get more then 1 quality game which was GRAW all the rest of the half made games were really trash and a waste of $60. PS3 is now in that boat of not being in a quality game rut like 360 so if PS3 is where 360 this time next year and not have better looking games then all the complaints about 360 being better then PS3 will be true until then lets wait and see.

AMEN spydah

This what i been saying like three weeks now.But i would have to say that the 360 has 3 really good games in a year. GOW,LostPlanet,& dead raising.But i really feel that the 360 will not have a game that going to surpass GOW i think that game was a head of its time.

Yeah i agree God Of War 2 will be out on 3/13/07 i cant wait. The first was the best game i played probably ever.

BobbyBlu
good point they are gadget happy ^^
they also are still have good bit of game devs lil by lil EU and US devs are filling out the pie, but they still are half or so of it.

the 360 is doing well despite the issues it has,I still think devs or lack of games is keeping the system down,Nintendo needs to ramp up support but I think they have enough bases covered to do well.

The PS3 has everything to be the center of gaming but the price thus will have a hard couple of years,but I see it dominating again unless devs jump ship but....I just don't see them going to nintendo.

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The PS3 has everything to be the center of gaming but the price thus will have a hard couple of years,but I see it dominating again unless devs jump ship but....I just don't see them going to nintendo.

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I agree with you but we don't know if Sony going to have have a hill to climb til next year or so.But dev's are justing ship because they want to get the money that first party's has been getting.Like today THQ said that Saints Row is coming to PS3.I don't blame them they can make more money on two console than one.Why should they limit themselves.

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Yeah i agree God Of War 2 will be out on 3/13/07 i cant wait. The first was the best game i played probably ever.

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I think he meant Gears of War, but God of War is a killer game, I just got the first one on PS2 ($15!!) and am addicted to it.

ChocTunda
because of dev's being bought and sold and ate up be large pubs almost any dev has access to multi platform making and since the pubs rule all it makes them more money to do a port and sale it on another system.

Exclusivity is a thing for the past,games are simply to costly to make now adays to hinge your bets on one system.

Only Corporations that have deals with other will not let games be multi system.

hughjars is the only poster in this thread that makes valid logical sense. I would like to point out the 360 year old arguement as extremely weak when trying to way lay the inadequacies of the PS3 because the PS3 development's timeline is probably older than that of the 360. You can't honestly believe they did any critical development in their delay to market.

And as far as offering more the 360 has it in spades over any of the competition. Who cares about Blu-ray or HD DVD, I just watched "Lady in the Water" in HD and I don't even have an HD player, just DL'ed. And the XNA stuff is cool as hell if you are into that sort of thing, but the aspect of the little guy making cool apps is sweet.

Buy a Piece of Shit 3, I don't care. You can have your immensly small margin of better graphics if it pans out for you, which it prolly won't. I'll take a system who is innovative and bringing more to me than shoveling crap down my throat and telling me to like it.

Booooooo Sony......Hoo Ray MS and Nintendo

Yup my bad on the God of war post i wasn't paying attention i forgot Gears of War have the same initials.

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Yup my bad on the God of war post i wasn't paying attention i forgot Gears of War have the same initials.

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Heh, you're not the first, I guess it's bound to happen with 2 great games with the same initials.

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hughjars is the only poster in this thread that makes valid logical sense. I would like to point out the 360 year old arguement as extremely weak when trying to way lay the inadequacies of the PS3 because the PS3 development's timeline is probably older than that of the 360. You can't honestly believe they did any critical development in their delay to market.

And as far as offering more the 360 has it in spades over any of the competition. Who cares about Blu-ray or HD DVD, I just watched "Lady in the Water" in HD and I don't even have an HD player, just DL'ed. And the XNA stuff is cool as hell if you are into that sort of thing, but the aspect of the little guy making cool apps is sweet.

Buy a Piece of Shit 3, I don't care. You can have your immensly small margin of better graphics if it pans out for you, which it prolly won't. I'll take a system who is innovative and bringing more to me than shoveling crap down my throat and telling me to like it.

Booooooo MS and Nintendo ......Hoo Ray Sony.

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Great post you went from talking about downloading HD content that you said you dont care about to curseing let us know if your going to bring something to the table about this topic.

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Not really might want to take a look at this i post it somewhere this morning & dated for today.

Sony's numbers add up
The electronics giant takes a hit with costs associated with the PS3 but bounces back with strong sales of other consumer goods.

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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164947.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

- Old news and partial and selective at that; you need to compare like with like as I said.
The company is so subdivided that you have to compare the games division, not the parent entity.

Try this on; this isn't the shrill wailing of the fanboy(s) or a fanzine site this is serious sober and respected people like Bloomberg and market analysts Merrill Lynch -

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Sony Games Division to Post Wider Loss Than Forecast (Update3)

By Pavel Alpeyev

Jan. 31 2007(Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of video-game players, said losses at its PlayStation unit will exceed an October forecast of 200 billion yen ($1.6 billion) this fiscal year because of price cuts to fend off Nintendo Co.'s Wii.

The loss for the year ending March 31 will be less than 250 billion yen, Takao Yuhara, head of investor relations, told reporters in Tokyo today. The business will probably break even the following year, he said.

The comments reinforce concerns over Sony's flagship console, whose sales have lagged behind the Wii since the PlayStation 3's debut in November. Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer has called the console one of Sony's ``champion products'' that will be an earnings driver for the electronics company.

The PlayStation 3 launch ``has turned out to be worse than even our pessimistic scenario,'' Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst Hitoshi Kuriyama wrote in a note yesterday. The console ``emerges as a key concern'' for earnings growth next year, said the Tokyo- based analyst, who recommends investors sell Sony shares.

Sony yesterday reported a 5.3 percent decline in third- quarter net income to 159.9 billion yen. The result was better than analysts estimated because a weaker yen and sales of Bravia flat-screen televisions helped offset the loss in games.

``We hope the PlayStation 3 business will turn to a profit in the fiscal second-half next year as initial costs will decrease,'' Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda said yesterday.

Shares of Sony fell for a third day, declining 1.4 percent to close at 5,550 yen in Tokyo. The stock has gained 6.1 percent in the past six months, compared with the 13 percent gain by the Nikkei 225 Stock Average.

Games Earnings

The game division, Sony's second-largest by revenue, lost 54.2 billion yen in the quarter ended Dec. 31, compared with a profit of 67.8 billion yen a year earlier. Analysts predicted a loss of 50.9 billion yen.

Costs associated with the launch of the PlayStation 3, including air transportation expenses, and slower-than-expected sales of the PlayStation Portable were the main reasons for the loss, the company said yesterday.

Sony also had to cut the price of the PlayStation 3 in Japan after consumers there complained the player was too expensive compared with players from Nintendo and Microsoft Corp.

In the U.S. and Japan, Kyoto-based Nintendo's Wii is outselling the PlayStation 3 by about 2-to-1.

Kyoto-based Nintendo, the world's largest handheld game maker, last week reported profit in its latest quarter jumped 40 percent to 77.6 billion yen, fueled by demand for Wii consoles and portable DS game players.

Separately, prices of liquid-crystal display televisions will probably fall about 30 percent this year, same as the previous year, Yuhara said.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...i7CU&refer=home

- They're in trouble and this is serious.

Expect them to try and bring some PS3 price cuts - and soon - to try and breathe some life into this disasterous thing.

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Old news and partial and selective at that; you need to compare like with like as I said.
The company is so subdivided that you have to compare the games division, not the parent entity

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Sony is Sony.Blah,Blah,& Blah.Old news that link was posted like two day ago.I'm going to post it so you can read it again not pick out stuff that couldn't be close to the truth.

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Sony is Sony.Blah,Blah,& Blah.Old news that link was posted like two day ago.I'm going to post it so you can read it again not pick out stuff that couldn't be close to the truth.

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I believe he posted the link, so yes, we can all read it.
Basically, Sony's Tv's are the only thing keeping them somewhat stable. The last update was yesterday, and this is hardly "old news" considering financial results are usually released on a quarterly basis...

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Why are people still judging PS3 to 360 when PS3 just came out. It don't make any since to do that being 360 has been out a little over a year PS3 3 months.

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Weren't a lot of xbox launch titles already better than the ps2's games at that time? It's been a while, but I thought the Madden and NHL launch games for Xbox (and possibly GCN) were clearly and obviously better (visually) than the ps2 ports that same year. Rogue Squadron on the GCN was also talked about for better graphics too.

It just seems to me that the gap between the ps3 and 360 won't be all that big.

oofRome
the 360 did have a few more launch titles,the PS3 seems to be hurting for games and sales games = sales I guess *L*

I think most of us are judging the PS3 on the rice and what it brings not necessarily the games,it is clear that gaming is still shallow and top heavy since the PS3 only amps the top heaviness a bit for a premium non the less....some of us look at it and see more of the same with extra consumer money loss on the side....damn I think I went into a anti everything rant >>

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BobbyBlu - If you had been following along with the thread and could comprehend what my post was about then you would realize what I was stating. Let me re-iterate for you....who cares about HD-DVD or Blu-ray when the option to download the content is available. In this scenario the debate over which format to chose and what player to have is mute.

Obviously by your handle you are seeing red from all the negative Sony talk so I'll let you slide on this one, but thanks for the criticism.

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while all of you are talking smack the Ps3 is on a downward spiral to a big pile of shit.

UHALL
I wouldn't say that,the PS3 dose have everything to rule gamedom but the price itself is keeping it down the 360 is pulling itself together and the WII is meek.

things are a mess and the systems need to mature,it stll seems a 2 way tie between Sony and MS and the WII getting everything else.
making it almost a 3 way tie.

i got hit by lightning for spamming this fine site!!! edited by ddp

Well it has been said that the meek (perhaps that should be miik?) shall inherit the earth....