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GTA must be banned to protect Prostitutes

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 14 Feb 2006 15:22 User comments (119)

GTA must be banned to protect Prostitutes No, you did not misread the headline, and I did not make a mistake. There is yet another group that has joined the list of the enemies of the Take-Two's Grand Theft Auto games. The Sex Workers Outreach Project USA (SWOP) says that Grand Theft Auto games "accrues points to players for the depiction of rape and murder of prostitutes." The group is reaching out the educate parents of the dangers violent video games pose to their children. They say they are doing this "as concerned parents themselves".
The group did say that it is "adamantly opposed to any and all forms of censorship," but it is "opposed to the depiction of the rape and murder of prostitutes." According to its Web site, SWOP USA is an organization dedicated to improving the lives of sex industry workers and the promotion of a safe working environment for the industry. So a group concerned about prostitutes wants to warn parents about the influence GTA may have on their children.

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114.2.2006 15:31

omg this is the best 1 ever!!! so, SWOP is looking out for the interests of whom here? children or prostitutes? im pretty sure that by now parents have a damn clear picture of what this game is about, and what is in it. it only been out for half a frikkin year!! there cant be a single parent or child out there in the world who doesnt know about this goddamn game! if it aint headlines on 'hot coffee', or that damn Jack Thompson and his multitude of lawsuits against take 2, its a bloody prostitute protection agency looking out for childrens interests by educating parents on how the game permits the killing of hookers!! pluck me what is the world coming to?

214.2.2006 15:34

Jesus.. when will people learn? This game is NOT meant for children as the game states.. it is just like a film. Do you ban films if they contain prostitutes? Hell no. Adults films = Adults only. Adults games = Adults only. hehe, trust Owen to send this one in. Hehe oj m8 ;) -Mike

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314.2.2006 15:35
jmaestro
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Uh, isn't prostitution ILLEGAL (outside of Vegas)? Although the prostitution is illegal... I agree with this so, and hopefully we will be able to ban Wolfenstein for accruing points to players for the depiction of murder of Nazis. And what about the mafia? How many games let you gain points for killing the mob? Oh, and also while we are at it, hopefully we can do something about the negative portrayal of Satan in videogames, movies, and cartoons. As an avid Satanist I am offended by the ongoing offensive portrayal of our diety... always depicting him up to evil shenanigans! Although, even we Satanists don't get so offended that we go and attack the Danish embassy, oh, whoops.

414.2.2006 15:38
jmaestro
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Essentially, they are saying that we can't use social commentary, and the freedom of speech to criticise an illegal activity? Good job, opportunistically supporting illegal trade at the expensive of a PERFECTLY legal franchise. In all seriousness, I don't think those family first organisations will be too happy with prostitutes supporting their cause... think of the cognitive dissonance!

514.2.2006 15:52
berger103
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haha i just got done playing that game..

614.2.2006 15:59

Really? did u kill a hooker after? Geez...

714.2.2006 16:06

I strongly support the freedom of speech,but i wuoldn`t like to see a game about child pornography or something like, there`s got to be limits.

814.2.2006 16:08
mudearies
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and thats why gta games rocks.

914.2.2006 16:24
Phoenix21
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:( Thats All i can say

1014.2.2006 16:41

While we are at it lets bunr all other midea and films that have prostitutes in it >< Nothing like book burning and and bible thumbing to work up a appiteight to go home and beat your mistress..... uhhhgggggg I love these pll...I cna dip the world into the sun yet? *L*

1114.2.2006 16:44

Mike3 i agree with you. They are not banning R-rated moveis or adult only movies. It is the parents responsibility to monitor what their kids play. The games have ratings on the box just like movies do. They need to stop trying to put blame on others when they should be looking at themeselves if they get their children a game and then dont approve of it. For those of you who may have seen the movie "HOSTEL". There was a couple in the movie theater with their daughter who had to be about 6 or 7. But then they want to blame others for their responsibilities. No way a child need to see that movie at that age.

1214.2.2006 16:52

I wish I could edit comments 5-10 min after you made them *L* I forgot to add next the porn industy will be bitching about GTA,I wonder if the politicians got thier hooker friends up to this? LOL

1314.2.2006 17:12

I for one completly agree with this organization. Protitutes are women who offer you sexual pleasure at a set price later to be discussed at a hotel. They mean no harm, except that b**** that stole my wallet in Reno.

1414.2.2006 17:23

BTW I dont paly GTA dont like it and all but wheres the rape? the "player" buys his fun and then has a choice to get his money back by "stealing" it,but wheres the rape? GlueEater I didnt know glue was salty 0-o Uuu need to find soemthign more healthy to "snack" on. MA AHAHAHAAHAH *dies laughing*

1514.2.2006 17:50

is it just me or did they contradict themselves. well thats hookers for you. hehehe

1614.2.2006 18:27

Ok, a group will try and censor a video game that is ~NOT~ REAL LIFE becuase of Ho's. dude..... what kindda gay fag came up with this bullshit. They wanan help the sleazy, but censor a video game..... sounds like a group of retards in my opinon. do they really think censoring a vdeo game is gonna save the world? Rockstar will just amke more games like the awsome GTA series, and push the limits even farther, and i hope they do. Just to push it and piss more people off, lol....well thats my two bits

1714.2.2006 19:59

This is just silly. I agree with the that parents and the like just try to blame others. The reason there are ratings is so that parents know what they are buying. Most think that just because it is a game, it is just kids stuff. Oh well. They banned, alcohol, I did not speak cause I didn't drink, they banned cigs, I did not speak cause I didn't smoke, etc.. etc.. what else is left... oh yeah, freedom is next I guess, might as well get rid of that too...


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1814.2.2006 20:03

its ture tho I saw a kid as high as my knee get his dad to buy him GTA 1 0-o it was years ago but I rmembered it bieing a KID 0-o


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1914.2.2006 20:29

Zippy has a point, Where the f* is rape in GTA? Granted I haven't finished the game, but I don't ever remember this being a part of it. If they are saying having sex with a prostitute is rape, though, that's ridiculous. Its not like the game is biased against prostitutes, It has a fair and even amount of murder of all the races, stereotypes, lifestyles and professions. On another note, if your job is to stand up for the rights of prostitutes (an illegal profession almost everywhere in the US) you should really ask yourself: Is there what my mom would have wanted me to do with my life? Completely unrelated, Does anyone want to join my outreach program to protect the bad publicity Pimps are getting from games like GTA? The group is called Preventing Inaccurate Manifestations of Prostitution Supervisor Labor Among the Public (PIMP SLAP).

2014.2.2006 20:39

Nipples and vibrators are still illagle in acouple states 0-o thats how bad thigns are.theyed rather be arsed raped by china than let us have our freedomes 0-o

2114.2.2006 20:51

I also agree that:

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Adults films = Adults only. Adults games = Adults only.
but that does not mean that we should keep creating crap games like prostitution games and all that... In regards to GTA its always had people against it from day one, soo this is nothing new... Soo I say GTA should stay but shop keepers that cell it too minors and parents that are that stupid to buy an adult game for their underage children should get a cat scan :)

2214.2.2006 22:23

Prosotution is illeagal so why should they care, they shouldn't be doing it.

2314.2.2006 23:04

it is not a childrens game. when ur 18 u have a pretty good idea of what sex and rape is. geez there preaching again! wonder wat will happen when the next GTA comes out.... LOL

2414.2.2006 23:21

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wonder wat will happen when the next GTA comes out.... LOL
No doubt exactly the same will happen.. -Mike

2514.2.2006 23:34

yep. i liked the game anyways.. its really old and stupid to be starting it now the coffee cheat came out ages ago.. ffs the game is platnium!!! get some real jobs u dirty hookers and let us play our games. :D

2614.2.2006 23:45

Man this is the funniest shat I've read all week.

2715.2.2006 4:28

this is the dumbest thing ever a group of people who commet illeagle acts are now banning with the pta to change the entertanment industry of wait could this be because their not getting any revanues from virtail prostution... and rockstar is cutting into their busness? makes you think.. if more people played game then less prostatues would be getting raped on the streets of thats right what their doing isnt excepted in mainstream america.... so who careswhat a bunch of street walkers say its not like they can go get the church to stand side by side with them.... if america cared what street walkers thought they would make it leagle for them to work openly instead of hiding in the allys or cheap hotels... the real issue will be did vise preadent Chainey play the game before he went hunting and shot some one..... or should we now look at banning deer hunter and those other redneck games... because alowing adults to have guns when they arnt lissenced to hunt seems more important.

2815.2.2006 5:26
cityoke2
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I agree with mystic. All this complaining bieng given bout the games is from people who never played the game. if the parent is stupid enough to buy thier young kid the game then they have no right to complain. Anyways people whos parents tell kids about this at a early age, the kid is less likely to have that much of an influence from the game. people that have a knowledge are less likely to rebel than people who are ignorant.

2915.2.2006 6:12

they are going to a bit of an extreme with this game aren't they.We need to protect the hookers out there that have aids and herpies so we need to ban this game.And it's not like they are introducing the first adult oriented game soon if you read gamers.com or any other game sites.This is BS I knew something like this was going to happen good thing I bought mine on ebay.I'm no so shure that banning the game is going to help.The internet will supply where they game gets axed.

3015.2.2006 6:53

I support SWOP... but then again I do love beating up those hookers. I feel so torn : (

3115.2.2006 7:26

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accrues points to players for the depiction of rape and murder of prostitutes.
Am I missing something? Where's the rape in the game? And if it's there, the SWOP aren't the only ones with a problem with it. And do you actually get points for murdering them? Aren't you just pick up the money they drop when you murder them? The money you just paid them to have sex. Maybe they're saying if you pay a prostitute for sex, then steal the money, that's considered rape.

3215.2.2006 7:52

"Opposed to the depiction of the rape and murder of prostitutes." Oh! Yes! I am sure that all the pimps, criminal organizations, scumbags and all manner of lowlives representing prostitutes ARE ANY BETTER. IF ANYTHING, IT ISN'T THE VIDEOGAME THAT IS THE PROBLEM, IT IS THE PROSTITUTES THEMSELVES. Yes, I am sure that people who sell their souls for money and cheapen their self-worth ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT CHILDREN'S WELFARE AND ARE IN A POSITION TO GIVE SOUND ADVICE. Hypocrites! The real deal is this: "any form of violence depicted towards prostitutes is bad for business." Plain and simple. Should we regress a 1000 years and burn all manners of freedom of expression that some of us may disagree with? Films, books, magazines, art, why don't we burn it all SWOP! But how about this proposition SWOP, if you really care about Children's welfare, how about you promote giving up prostitution and set the right example for others, that fornication for money isn't right! Yeah right, it is never going to happen, these liars should find real jobs and legitimate organizations to be part of. SWOP, GIVE ME A *UCKING BREAK.

3315.2.2006 7:58

AAAAAAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAhahahaHAHhHAahHAhaHAHhah!!!!

3415.2.2006 8:04

What SWOP means by rape in GTA is that prostitutes who offer their services, conditionally offer their consent to have sex on grounds of payment thereafter. Basically, you pay her money, she agrees to have sex with you, that's not rape. If you pay her money for sex, and then casually decide to steal back your money under her nose like its done in GTA, that is considered as rape by prostitutes standards. By societal standards, this doesn't make any sense. However, it just comes to show that its really only about money.

3515.2.2006 8:32

RAPE? In GTA?? They must be jokeing. These ret@rd$ don't know what they are talking about. GTA Rox!

3615.2.2006 8:42

OK SWOP, I'm willing to compromise. What if next time I just happen to run into a Money Honey, we try and work in a game of GTA:Vice City? I'm always happy to show a girl how to work my joypad.

3715.2.2006 9:20

Yeah...I don't remember rape in any GTA game. It's nice to see how all the vultures come out of the woodworks to get their peice of the GTA "action". Look at the kind of people who are really making a big deal about GTA games though, hookers and politicians. The scum of society. The real life theives, liars, and degenerates. I should sue "SWOP" for the time that I was walking somewhere with my 5yo cousin and a "sex worker" stopped on the sidewalk right across the street, burped, reached down, pulled her shorts to the side in her crotch area, squatted a bit, and started pissing right there on the sidewalk. Didn't even pull her shorts DOWN. I wonder which one is worse, a video game, or some HIV ho pissing her HIV urine all over a public sidewalk? Give me a damn break.

3815.2.2006 9:32

You get to kill old ladies, fat people, cops, fbi, buff dudes, prostitutes, chicks on skates, gang members, and any other f**k that gets in the way. Oh wait a minute, I hope the crips and bloods don't organise because their virtual selfs keep getting the sh*t kicked out of them by me. It is a game. As long as a game is rated AO then I think it should contain anything. Lord, why are these idiots trying to ruin our freedom for slighted pixelated hookers?

3915.2.2006 9:57

One word. Pathetic

4015.2.2006 10:05

CUM SWOPpers

4115.2.2006 10:24

@Malcdogg I think this is a superb idea. To file a lawsuit against SWOP. Personally, I would sue them for everything they got and make sure that this type of organization is closed down. Prostitutes are a problem. What do we do with them? Send them to bootcamp for a month and make them get real jobs. You should've called the cops for lewd conduct or public indecency and have that NASTY NASTY hooker arrested. Politicians side with hookers, because cheating on their wives would be much harder if prostitutes weren't around.

4215.2.2006 12:48

i dont have a problem with this game my children for one love there r much worse games out there

4315.2.2006 13:32

Its pretty bad when a group of protitutes wants to get a game banned..... I am going to leave now....I have seen everything... And to quote mrbungle8... AAAAAAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAhahahaHAHhHAahHAhaHAHhah!!!!

4415.2.2006 14:50

wheelman7 Prosotution is lealge in 1 or 2 states (I am sure of 1 at least it was texeas or navada or soemthign like that) I think Prosotution and some lower class drugs should be leagle since they would have to be from taxed and montiored places. Anyone here a fan of the Japanase hentai games? as much I love CGI boobies I cant stand the rape side to the games however I always thought it odd they do rape yet still blur/cencore stuff thats an odd double standaered..and befor soenone starts mentioning it,it was becuse of macarthy's US analness to nudity that started japans analness to nudity *L*

4515.2.2006 17:06

just put a condom on the controler when u play it. its all good.


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4615.2.2006 17:41

WTF?. LOL

4715.2.2006 18:07

there trying to put hookers on a pedistol.

4815.2.2006 18:12

hookers don't need protection they already have aids.It's hilarious that they is an organization that wants to protect the hookers.Where is this organization located? on hooker boulevard?

4915.2.2006 18:27

The pimps use the women like foot stools, they don't complain. The pimps beat them, and do all manners of unspeakable acts towards them, they don't seem to complain... Oh! But a video game bothers them! Oh! Dear me! These are clearly Ho fo Shows. Whatever in the *uck that means.

5016.2.2006 3:46

I have nothing at all against hookers. I have met some very nice women who just happened to be hookers. I don't feel like I am any better than they are, so I refuse to play morality judge. Having said that I do find this SWOP thing to be just a little ridiculous. Prostitution has survived murder, rape, law enforcement, disease, (and some people say a Great Flood as well). It has come to be known as the world's 2nd oldest profession. I really don't think that it has anything to worry about from GTA or any other video game for that matter.

5116.2.2006 12:36

Groups that are against games like GTA suck.

5216.2.2006 12:59

Prostitution might be the worlds oldest profession, however, it doesn't make it right. Fornication for money cheapens your self-worth. Think of it this way, what's the difference between saying I got a dvd for 25$ and got fellatio or sex at that same price. The woman becomes a product. In my book, women aren't products, they are people.

5316.2.2006 16:47

It is a prostitute's decision if (s)he decides the "cheapen" themselfs. If you don't like it, then don't get one. Games like GTA are fantacy just like the movies about mobsters or gangbangers... Well, maybe fictional :). Hookers make way more money than any waitress will. It is up to them if the risk of getting kill on the job is worth the money. Who give a F*** anyways? GTA is damn boring after a while.

5416.2.2006 16:54

I just played the damned game,booooring.

5516.2.2006 19:55

I like hot coffee.



5617.2.2006 12:55

GTA isn't that great of a game to make a fuss about anyways.

5717.2.2006 18:47

its jus a f*ckin game ppl...plus its not for ur little stupid kids anyway...its rated "M" for a reason, dont you think ??

5818.2.2006 0:33

It doesn't matter how many times you bring up the Adult Only rating, they'll still resort to that some old excuse, "That game isn't suitable for my child!" Irresponsible: lack of responsibility. Sounds like them, eh?



5918.2.2006 1:15

Well the fact is that you should be controlling what your child plays



6018.2.2006 1:30
oxygenuk
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long live GTA, **ck SWOP

6118.2.2006 10:17

That's it. Im now going to rape and kill every hooker I see because GTA has poisoned my mind. Its all their fault.

6218.2.2006 14:21

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Well the fact is that you should be controlling what your child plays
Try this instead, explain to your child what the ratings mean and why it's not for them to play now, instead of saying NO YOU CAN'T I'M IN CONTROL. Not saying you said that, it's just one way to not look like a dictator.

6318.2.2006 14:56
sokratiz
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get real, GTA isn't real

6418.2.2006 16:29

Prostitution should be banned not the other way around.

6518.2.2006 16:55

@jmaestro "Avid satanist" Satan is a fallen angel, I am not sure why so many people follow him? And portraying Satan as evil isn't faulty or insulting, it is his nature. I am not sure how Satanists worship him, either by blood pact or some other form of reverence, but, what I am sure of is that Enochian magicks hint as to his nature and his self-proclaimed divinity. If you believe in Satan doesn't that mean in some form or another, you believe in God as well but choose not to follow him...? Satan can grant your wishes but there is a price for it. I don't mean to offend you but isn't it what it is essentially?

6618.2.2006 17:13

To deny Satan and Demons as "real entities" is to deny Holy Scripture Jesus gave all his apostles, their deacons, and everyone who truly believes in Him the power to dispel demons. It is significant in Scripture that the 72 disciples returned to Jesus to sum up the results of their ministry, after Jesus sent them out in pairs to teach - these disciples mentioned one thing only when they returned to Jesus. They said to Jesus; "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!" In Mark 9, we read that John told Jesus; "We saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he was not following us". The Lord rebuked the apostles. Remember also, the Apostle Paul calls attention to the fact that the very air is filled with evil spirits. And Jesus dispelled demons himself; and Jesus testified in Luke 10: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" (as he was cast out to abide on the earth). The world was made for Jesus. And Jesus cleansed the world and defeated Satan at Calvary. However, Satan remains the "Prince of this World", until the time the Lord sees fit. Fighting against evil is one way we are tried to be found deserving. Jesus is the way to go.

6718.2.2006 23:46

No thanks, Ill walk my own path...

6819.2.2006 0:26

Well fine, if you think its being a dictator, but in that case it means your weak hearted, because you care about your children, you got them a gaming console, but you didnt compromise with them, you didnt give them any restrictions, and because you didnt do that you start to winge and put all the blame on companies such as rockstar and others.



6919.2.2006 8:59

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7019.2.2006 21:05

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Well fine, if you think its being a dictator, but in that case it means your weak hearted, because you care about your children, you got them a gaming console, but you didnt compromise with them, you didnt give them any restrictions, and because you didnt do that you start to winge and put all the blame on companies such as rockstar and others.
Do you even know what you're talking about? Explaining why they can't play the game and you won't allow it is pretty much a restriction. Get the facts right, I only brought up explaining why they can't play a game based on the rating, and just the game. I didn't talk about any other restrictions, such as how long they can play. Weak hearted? PLEASE. Had you have read my other posts, you could infer that I would never put the blame on any company, and I would do what I could to make sure that game doesn't get into my childs hands until he/she is an adult. And if they did get it, I sure wouldn't blame the company. I'd either try to take it back to who sold it to him/her, or I'd throw it in a tree chomper (I can't remember the name to it lol).
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7120.2.2006 5:01

i can't believe what I am seeing...this is just going a little far with the whole thing...

7220.2.2006 6:52

Lol, anyways, not an issue i have to worry about



7320.2.2006 7:13

wtf??????????

7421.2.2006 14:50

Same here lol.



7521.2.2006 16:05

hot_ice if the world was perfect we wouldnt need drugs or sex for mindless plueaser,but the fact is it is not its better if was get real make it leagle and tax it and monitor it.look at the stance the US goverment has tooken on durgs its basicly the same as the proabition on Alcohol its not done any real good,if the goverment made most of the lighter drugs lealge the prices of thos drugs would come down,taxs gained from them could go to help thos that are badly addacited to it and sicne the drug would be leagle they could be weened from it,BTW I dont mean makeing the lighter drugs free market with a basci ID check like boose.. you'll need a DR's ok altho chewing POT or cooking with it is harmless compared to Ciggerttes and Boozs....altho in the larger shceme of things we have other thigns that are more theatening to us than the drug and adults paying adults to have sex,the Goverment needs to crack down on china and bissaness that dont care if the US,we have boarder issues that are slowly eating up the money the states have sicne the feds have wrote the states off to go paly war,and sicne we are at some form of war and nation building we will be loseing even more money as coperations leave this country finding better deals in slave wage contries. BTW I was brought up in a basic christain eviorment ,Do good to others,bear no grudes,do your best,ect,ect,ect I try not to get boged down in one way relgoius convos,I keep my mind open ,do I belive in god yes,do I think he,she,it has come befor diffrent pll in diffrent ways yes ,is one relgoian better than another NO,All relgoians have thier good sides and their bad No relgoian has gone without some form of blacking its name...


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7622.2.2006 0:01

I've noticed a lot of counterfeit preachers recently, but that doesn't black the name of a relegion or it's teachings, of course. I've also noticed that many followers of a certain religion choose to be ignorant and petulant. It sucks, I know.



7722.2.2006 4:16

i say...the only protection that whores should get should be from their pimps...isn't that the point of them? and the fact that they wear the coolest purple pimp suits with the feather in the hat =D i wanna know where I can buy one... :)

7822.2.2006 8:01

@ofnir "Ignorant and petulant" you say? And I ask you, who are you to judge? I was merely stating scripture and trying to start a debate with a Satanist. Am I not allowed? Who are you to bar my freedoms? Labeling others as ignorant is gratuitous. Here then, your payment, 2 cents.

7922.2.2006 8:40
xhardc0re
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Hey SWOP want to cum play a game with me? :) :)

8022.2.2006 8:51
xhardc0re
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at first i thought SWOP meant Single Women Or Prostitutes or maybe Skank Wobbles Over D*** thank God i was wrong

8122.2.2006 9:16

Oh yes, first its SWOP speaking out for prostitutes, I wonder what else will spawn. Perhaps, MAD, Murderers Against Defamation or perhaps PFB, Police for brutality! lol Come on...

8222.2.2006 10:51

hot_ice I'll take that 2 cents and see if I can rattle off enough mental debt to add some of my halfwit comments here ^^ scriptures only give the a basic guide on how to live and thus any bible is not writen in stone,I feel that simpley being gay dose not make you bad wrong or evil if you live youer life doing the best you can and halp other and are faithful to the one you heart cares for God would not disown them,one must rember that bibles are in the end intutpred by man and when it becomes translated from the old langues to the newer ones and is revised to much is lost,that is a balance is so important god gave us Light and darkness and a mind to chose our path back to him, to much of either will blind and lost .. Ofnir1 Christainity,Calthlics and acoupel others ignored the human strife of slavery and other questionable morle thigns becuse it benifited them thats what I mean by blakcening,there have always been plenty of money hungery preachers that like gathering mindless sheap so I dont pay much attion to them I can't stand them myself but like msot thigns a few make sense the rest "preach to the choir" Much like politics I love it when I hear a commen sense preacher go at things with a balanced mind and heart.

8324.2.2006 11:22

Why would you even bring religion into this in the first place? wow. How does a thread about video games and hookers turn into this ^


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8424.2.2006 14:10

@hot_ice

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"Ignorant and petulant" you say? And I ask you, who are you to judge? I was merely stating scripture and trying to start a debate with a Satanist. Am I not allowed? Who are you to bar my freedoms? Labeling others as ignorant is gratuitous. Here then, your payment, 2 cents.
Who am I to judge, eh? Don't be stupid, that was my 2 cents. I was just saying that's what I've noticed. I didn't label them anything, I just said that they choose to be that way, I did not say that they are entirely ignorant or petulant. I never tried to bar your freedoms, again, stop being stupid. My payment? You sound older, yet you chose to type something I'd hear from petulant ten year olds. You totally misread my post, making it hard to have an intelligent conversation with you. @ZIppyDSM
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Much like politics I love it when I hear a commen sense preacher go at things with a balanced mind and heart.
Same here. Like the one that spoke out during a conference of some sort about Hurricane Katrina. I can't remember what they were talking about, but I praise that man who stood up and talked with a balanced mind and heart.
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8524.2.2006 15:07

esrever hooking and rellrion have been at oppsite sides of sexaul dessuctions for centries :3


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8625.2.2006 14:07

Now that I remember, that preist who stood up got escorted out by two officers. Oh and Zippy, I wasn't exactly talking about the human strife, I was talking about just the little things in modern today. It isn't worth bringing up anyways.



8725.2.2006 14:31

Quote; "hooking and rellrion have been at oppsite sides of sexaul dessuctions for centries :3" What?


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8825.2.2006 18:10

I think he ment: hookers and religion have been at opposite sides of sexual decisions for centuries.



8925.2.2006 18:28

Rellrion sounds like a Taiwanese car!


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9025.2.2006 19:17
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ridiculus, that's all I have to say.

9125.2.2006 22:24

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Rellrion sounds like a Taiwanese car!
LMAO!

9225.2.2006 22:39

@ hot_ice, please keep the sermons to people who are religious, I will not have the bible shoved down my neck by some Godamm, holier than thou jackass. Religion is for the weak minded. Jesus may well have been a nice chap, it is people like you who ram it down our throats & twist His words that really jack me off. Do you honestly think that Jesus wanted you to tell people that if they did not believe in Him they would rot in Hell? I think not, he would have been way more intelligent than that. He would have allowed us to make our own mistakes. As for the Church making out that Mary of Magdelene was a whore, is simply outrageous & quite simply untrue. There in absolutely no proof anywhere of that in the Ancient scriptures, the truth has been distorted yet again by man. You religious folk make me sick to the bone with your rantings & untruths. May you be the one that rots in Hell, I know there are a lot of priests out there who have an awful lot to answer to, God will be really pissed with them & all the other so called "religious scholars" who preach hate & mindless bigotry to the world.

9326.2.2006 6:58

pulsar I'd love to get my hands on the non re written to death bible and see what has been changed to fit the times over the centuries,the church dose need to keep its sheeple blind you know 0-o LOL Anyway in all hot_ice comments are not to bad of corse I am one to say the way I ramble and all *L*

9426.2.2006 9:11

If you bring religion to a free thinking forum, you really are asking for trouble....I have NO sympathy for these people....


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9526.2.2006 10:00

"Who am I to judge, eh? Don't be stupid, that was my 2 cents. I was just saying that's what I've noticed. I didn't label them anything, I just said that they choose to be that way, I did not say that they are entirely ignorant or petulant. I never tried to bar your freedoms, again, stop being stupid. My payment? You sound older, yet you chose to type something I'd hear from petulant ten year olds. You totally misread my post, making it hard to have an intelligent conversation with you." There you go with your labels again, stupid this, stupid that. When you are done lashing out, go cool off a bit while doing something relaxing why don't you?

9626.2.2006 10:10

lots of "petulants" flying around, here we go. I doubt very much it is possible to have an intelligent conversation with someone who peddals religion as an answer. You live life your way, I'll do it mine. I don't need a book to tell me how to live my life. I know the difference between right & wrong. I don't need to quote from the bible either, I am perfectly capable of making my own decisions in life. All religious bigots do is just quote, other mens' words at that! You don't seem to have a mind of your own. Just keep believing what you wish. At least I have the intelligence to make up my own mind! I bet Jesus would be spinning in his grave at how his thoughts are being completely twisted.


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9726.2.2006 10:24

"it is people like you" Don't presume to know me. "May you be the one that rots in Hell" Holy shit dude! Don't you think that's harsh? I may have hit a nerve but that comment is a little bit unwarranted...Do you usually curse people out like this??? "I have NO sympathy for these people" I didn't ask for your sympathy, so why do you assume to withdraw something I didn't ask for in the first place? Breathe Pulsar, Breathe!!! I think Jesus was a great man with his code of conduct, whats wrong with saying that, does it make me part of organized religion and completely oblivious of what makes sense and what doesn't? I think your biases or personal convictions have blinded you to being objective.

9826.2.2006 11:11

Maybe I was a little harsh, but such is the anger that wells up inside me when people go on about religion. Esp the holier than though act. I hate religion, I hate people who use religion to manipulate others. I hate religious people inflicting their warped view of life, nature & science on children. I hate religious people who use fear to manipulate children. So there you have it. The only people who are rational, unbiased & objective in the world are non-religious people, we have independence & freedom of mind. I am not the one who is blinded here. My eyes are WIDE open.


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9926.2.2006 12:06

I suppose you are honest, however, you have a lot of anger within you on these issues. If anything, I ask nothing of you except for you not to hate and try to show tolerance. If you are adamant on your stance that's fine, its your personal choice but at least remove hate from your heart. Hate only hinders those who harbour it within their hearts. "The only people who are rational, unbiased & objective" I've studied sociology long enough to tell you that humans are guided by their emotions. What you describe in your statement, is essentially, a robot. That's why we try our best to uphold these ideals. Just because I believe in God, doesn't make me blind to science, or less rational, or less independent than non-religious people. So that's all I have to say on this issue.

10027.2.2006 0:17

@ hot_ice

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There you go with your labels again, stupid this, stupid that. When you are done lashing out, go cool off a bit while doing something relaxing why don't you?
And there you go again not knowing what you're talking about. I did not CALL you a label, such as stupid, I said not to BE stupid. There is a major difference between the two. Since you sound like a smart person, it shouldn't take you too long to figure it out. And since I don't commit ad hominems, I wasn't "lashing out" at you. @ Pulsar I think you and I can agree, that a lot of religous people accept the science of, for instance, reverse psychology to further impose their views onto the open-minded. Yet when the science of abortion comes into play, say the issue be when the fetus' heart has not pumped a beat so it isn't considered murder, they reject it with loud mouth antics and words that you think the devil would speak of. Honestly, I feel sympathy for Jesus Christ. And hey, some of my good friends are Christian, and they accept friends of any religion.

10127.2.2006 1:43

Mmm i think hot ice has hit soem nerves ,he/she has not used the fisted shovle to push BS,and to me he/she has even tried to not start any flames merely givieng oppitions as he/she sees them. That said try and stay on topic Pll the mods might coem and clean house ! *L* ^^ altho I am one to say sicne I always talk with my foot in my mouth 0-o


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10227.2.2006 1:44

OMG I foudn the edit button! to bad I cant find the delete button damn dailup made me double post ><

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10327.2.2006 11:22

@ ofnir "don't be stupid" Sociologically speaking, this is an attachment of a label. Its a "master status", therefore, a label. "And since I don't commit ad hominems, I wasn't "lashing out" at you." Weighing my arguments instead of appealing to personal considerations, fair enough. I think we've addressed these issues ad nauseam. @zippydsm You have the writing skills of a 4 year old, you can't possibly want me to take you seriously after reading this sorry excuse of a language you call English...? Right...Righhtttt..

10427.2.2006 11:30

I cant help it if my brain is usieng dialup in a 6MB boardband world ;_; LOL


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10527.2.2006 14:40

LOL wtf ! lolll

10627.2.2006 21:18

Hell can you even call 4.0KBS running on a 14.4Kbs dailup...a mind 0-o..or even dailup for that matter >< LOL my mind has so manye WTF momments I just dont keep track of them anymore. Odd the yellowish background pic that normaly loads on Afterdawn is not laoding anymore I jsut reinstall PC cillin mabye its blocking something,mmm FireFox has been kinda crashy lately mabey I need to reinstall it MMmmmm oh well if I have not mentioned it I am stupid and if I dont get the ocasional boot the the head about it I actauly can get dumber ...DAMN! I learned soemthign from the goverment 0-o...


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10727.2.2006 23:21

I wasn't sociologically speaking though, but yes we have addressed the issues. Anyways, WTF says it! Maaan... I can remember when I had dail up. I remember when a friend and I was downloading a 1mb file, we wen't ahead and made sandwiches cuz it took so d@mn long! hahaha

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10828.2.2006 12:29

@ofnir ahahaha ofnir, trying to pull a fast one eh! If you are in society, than sociological assessments apply here. Flawless victory!! Lol I don't really care. I used to have dialup, it was atrocious. 1 kbs hoping for it to go to maybe 2-4 a sec loolllol.

10928.2.2006 19:33

A fast one? I was just stating a fact man. Well hey, not everyone studies sociology. Though in your POV, it wouldn't be such a bad thing. Even thinking about the days of dailup (DOD haha) is a nightmare now. Hey imagine when Internet2 comes available to the public, we'll be like "MAN! I could never go back to broadband!" I know I sure will LMAO

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11028.2.2006 21:56

Fact is a strong word, in this case it would be suggestive evidence, hehehehe. No, but seriously here, even if we achieve faster net surfing speeds, I don't feel that we have access to the immensity that is the net. Last time I checked, the net held somewhere along the lines of half a trillion homepages!! I don't see google search engines sifting through that much lol. Back to the topic, well its quite ridiculous, there is my assessment.

1111.3.2006 10:28

Suggestive evidence? Well, I must say, it's a fact for myself [warning! warning! Non-literate] LMAO Yeah I can't see Google going through that much, but then again, I have no idea how much search engines actually search :D. Hey have you noticed that Google became a verb? "Hey Bob, do you know how to install car stereos?" Joe asked, to which Bob replied, "Mm.... nope, no idea. Just Google it." hahaha And long live GTA.... even though I've never played it XD



1121.3.2006 13:08

not to be a hippie here or anything but PEACE & LOVE


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1133.3.2006 0:41

Hey I agree. LMAO, I like your sig, esrever



1143.3.2006 9:52

I know that googleplex is a word, it makes reference to wavelenghts, but I never knew that google was actually a verb...? I have GTA, its pretty lame and cliche.

1163.3.2006 16:18

I've just heard Google being used as a verb many times, on and off the net. If 'bling' is in the dictionary, I wouldn't be suprised if Google is too LOL. Yeah I thought GTA:VC was pretty redundant. I remember my former friend would get like 3 of his friends just to watch him play VC, he wouldn't let them play, just WATCH. It was LAME.



1176.3.2006 8:38

@esrever Hippy Alert! Attention, Hippy Alert! @Pulsar Googleplex is used to refer the intensity of wavelenghts in the galaxy clock theory. @ofnir Lol!

11821.10.2006 16:51
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11921.10.2006 16:54

I am not on sat net and its like 100$ dailup 0_o

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