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RIAA lawsuit hits family with no computer or Internet access

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 25 Apr 2006 2:58 User comments (53)

RIAA lawsuit hits family with no computer or Internet access The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has made yet another mistake in its war against file sharers. This time, the group has sued the Walls family from Rockmart, GA. They are accused of sharing music by Whitney Houston, TLC and Bob Seger. Considering the popularity of the music, that sounds like it could be a valid charge by the RIAA - if the family actually had any Internet access... or a computer for that matter.
"I don't understand this," James Walls told his local paper, the Rockmart Journal. "How can they sue us when we don't even have a computer?" The confused family believes that the copyright infringement must have been the work of their home's previous occupant, as they have lived there for less than a year. It's not hard to believe however, as the RIAA has in the past filed a lawsuit against a dead woman.

In the past, several other people sued by the RIAA have claimed they don't own a computer also. "Music and other copyrighted materials are some of America's most important, cherished and visible exports," said the RIAA in a statement this month. "However, pirated sales of our members' recordings topped $4.6bn in 2004." Perhaps going after the correct targets will help fight piracy. It would be a step, at least.

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125.4.2006 3:14

LOL!!! hahaha... there really nuts what werer they thinking...ohh im sorry they werent :P well how can they sue or track a family without an internet connection??? Well Im thinking whats it goin to take to dismantel the RIAA??

225.4.2006 3:42

Jesus, how many times is this going to happen? Boycot the RIAA indeed. -Mike

325.4.2006 6:36
caffeine_
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LMAO! What idiots.

425.4.2006 6:56

The RIAA did the right thing, they should stick to suing dead people. Oh! Its the Pirates make us lose money tune again...Realistically, they lose Zero Dollars. These people had no intent to buy, therefore, the potential loss of top dollars is a fallacious argument on their part. I think these people who have been sued under false allegations, should sue the RIAA with a contingency lawyer (money hungry shark in other words), and try to get a big settlement out of it.

525.4.2006 7:06

How is that even possible, the RIAA files john doe lawsuits based on IP they contact the ISP that owns that IP and ask who was using the IP at such and such time The familys name couldnt have possibly come up, i think, if they wernt paying for the internet service in the first place

625.4.2006 7:58

this only shows that what we all need to do is find out where the heads of the RIAA live and park in their driveway and download off their wireless and then they will become the next to be sued... if I sit in mcdonalds for lunch and have axcess to wireless then I can make it look like they downloaded the songs or software or movie the problem is no one ever told the masses that if their wireless isnt secure ,any kid with a lap top can download off their system... and masking the ip is easy enough, load up black ice, and there you go. so go find that hotspot and enjoy.......sueing dead people is bad but hey my dogs on probation for not biting someone ,so who knows, america is a strange and wonderus place.....

725.4.2006 8:13

i have a word or two for the RIAA, You are: hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.

825.4.2006 8:57

I had a similar issue; my wireless was encrypted through standard WEP. I understand that that is not the highest level of encryption... Der. But at the same time; you wouldn't really think that someone would take the time to find your wireless network and go through the trouble of getting past the WEP key; I would think they'd look for an easier one. I'm in San Diego; there are so many places that would be faster and easier to access from. Sure enough though; I had someone downloading and sharing through my connection and got an e-mail from my ISP who was kind enough to give me fair warning that something bad was being shared. But it really bothers me to know that someone doing something like that could get me sued by the RIAA for sharing that I don't do. Honestly; that's just plain SCARY. Because of technical issues and limitations; I have to run wirelessly, so the fact that I cannot 100% protect the connection is a big fear for me. What does someone do if they get sued for the RIAA for a wardialer's downloading? There are so many techniques being used to cover IP tracks, and I wonder how many families the RIAA will mistakenly sue over these kinds of mistakes and errors on their part. Does anyone else agree with me? Oh; and as far as:

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Oh! Its the Pirates make us lose money tune again...Realistically, they lose Zero Dollars. These people had no intent to buy, therefore, the potential loss of top dollars is a fallacious argument on their part.
I agree completely. People who pirate music will always find a way. Before it was copying friend's cd's; before that it was copying cassette tapes; and even recording music from the radio. These people have always found a way to do it, and always will. I don't think they ever DID buy these things; because there is always a way not to, if you are really looking for it. But that's my two cents. I just wonder how many families might get wrongfully sued because of errors or hackers. That's a really big error, that no one can afford to lose out from.

925.4.2006 10:00

Yeah WEP is pretty weak. I always connect through my PSK. I guess its safer. I mean if someone took the time to get through your router's WEP I'm sure they can get your PSK. But anyway, I wonder if the RIAA will drop this suit. I could see them having the balls to sue a family and follow through with it saying something like " well you should have known that someone was downloading music illegally in your home before you". I bet they want to make it a crime to just live in a house that housed someone at one time who illegally downloaded music.

1025.4.2006 10:05

That sucks handsom. I also have wireless connection and fear the same thing as well. I have mine currently setup to use WPA-PSK as my security mode and TKIP as my encryption technique. I took the liberty to make my pre-shared key as long as possible so that it would take forever to crack. Make sure you don't broadcast SSID.

1125.4.2006 10:10

No; they'll drop this one. But the family will be responsible for their own lawyer's fees. Even if it never went to court; they surely obtained legal advice about it, which is not cheap. Bottom line though; the RIAA cannot afford to pursue cases of this nature; as it would severely damage their credibility. Countersuits would kill them. And the bottom line is that if they start going into these kind of circumstances, this series of cases is going to enter an ugly era of anti-piracy law. I almost wonder if the RIAA is seeking this, hoping that they can start adopting new policies to search harder, and get more people. It is unethical to charge someone for an illegal action they did not do, or intend to allow others. However, I wonder if a court would really allow them to sue on grounds that they should be responsible for their own networks. It's not ethical; but it might be legally doable. And that terrifies me. Because that would bring about a huge era of reasonless lawsuits that do nothing but hurt the innocent general public. I don't download; and I shouldn't be punished for Joe Laptop who hijacks hiw way into my wireless network. If I have WEP; he obviously worked hard, and that network is protected. I can't feesably do anything more; but legally, couldn't they (This is a stretch, but expensive lawyers usually are good at things like this) just say that I could have invested in a more powerful network protection device? It's crap; but it's concerning to me, as the educated user.




"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim

1225.4.2006 11:12

You know, how much STUPIDER can the MPAA and RIAA get? First, they sue a grandfather who BARELY knows how to use a computer, for something is grandson or grandchildren did. Then, we find out they are suing a dead person. Now, they go after a person who has NO internet access at all! It's gotten to the point, where I believe that the MPAA and RIAA are just picking random names out of the air, and sending out notices of infringement, or just RANDOMLY choosing homes with internet access, and suing those people!

1325.4.2006 11:12

Whats next, oh! its his fault, he didn't secure his router, so pirate Joe Schmoe downloaded 1 gig of music and you are responsible for it! The RIAA, have gone too far, without us, the customers, these misology type organizations would cease to exist. False accusations are condemned by the courts, and with a good lawyer, restitution or compensation, significant in this case because it is the RIAA, can be awarded.

1425.4.2006 11:26

P.S. I love your post Ireland!!!! Hilarious!

1525.4.2006 12:06

As Red Forman of that 70s Show always says, "Dumbass!!!!" :LOL)

1625.4.2006 12:43

I don't know why they think suing people will work. After a person gets sued that person is no longer going to have the money to pay for the movie, music and internet. I will never buy another song or movie again.

1725.4.2006 13:38

Were you sued? Or are you just boycotting in general. I think it's going to be a lot longer before this situation is actually *resolved* the RIAA isn't interested in actually STOPPING the illegal action. At this point, they are a conglomerate of lawyers looking to make a few bucks. Anyone ever hear who they pay to do the searches to catch these people; or what those specialists did beforehand? They hunted and assisted in the arrest of pedophiles; through online research. Now they're being paid to find people sharing music. ...What a worthy cause.




"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim

1825.4.2006 13:40

Hey Chriss1000 "Stupider" isn't a word. Look it up in a dictionary.

1925.4.2006 14:00

ringwar stupider 1. Adj. slang. A word So Commonly used in place of "more stupid" that it should be its own slang word. and with the creation of this definition, it is. "The phrase 'more stupid' takes more time to write out and is much Stupider then just writing 'Stupider'." ITS IN THIS (Dictionary} dj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est 1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse. 2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes. 3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake. 4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied. 5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job. n. A stupid or foolish person. [Latin stupidus, from stupre, to be stunned.]stupid·ly adv. stupid·ness n. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stupider

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2025.4.2006 14:52

What I get a kick out of, is the fact that Sony (not just RIAA) bitches and whines about how much they lose to piracy when they are making more selling their own manufactured DVD and CD burners and blank media. If it is such a problem, why provide the tools and why attempt to profit from such tools? I think they want to create the illusion of the dreaded digital witch hunt so they can inspire more people to buy burners and discs so they can seek the thrill of doing something technically illegal. Makes me want to go out and drive 2 miles an hour over the speed limit, or rip the do not remove tag from my mattress to get the same cheap thrill.

2125.4.2006 16:15
erroneous
Inactive

This pointless effort to try and enforce "piracy" will never go away because it never has "gone away". Just as record companies freaked out when consumer grade magnetic tape recording was introduced. Oh my god, people will be able to Tape a RECORD. That's going to RUIN OUR BUSINESS. That obviously did not fare well. Then, the studios with VCRs "people will be able to TAPE TV shows and MOVIES" and that will RUIN OUR BUSINESS. Same end result. They are still around. I would buy a record, immediately tape it on a cassette with the best quality and hottest signal and NR I could muster, as to not wear out the vinyl media and also be able to listen to it where ever I wanted to. And tape it again if i want. Ever see anyone walking around with a turntable and a stack of records? Listening to them? But we as consumers have a right to a fair use backup copy of what we legally buy and that's the law. Attempting to single out induvidual people for these charges is simply the least productive way to accomplish anything. You have to cut the Lions head off to stop the problem. Do I think people should sell fake illegally copied products. No. The consumer gets it too in the end because you arent getting the genuine product and there are no warrantees in the black market. Try returning a bad copy of a dvd from a street vendor. See how far you get. Did a friend ever come over with his copy of the first run movie the first day its out in the theater? Could you actually watch a camcordered tape of a movie in the theater? I can't and wouldnt even want a copy of it if it was free. Not that I am a HUGE Deadhead but use this iconic, talented and synergistic group for example. They set up space in the front for microphone "farms" so that their shows could be taped at good quality and encouraged that the tapes be collected, traded, etc. This this HURT the band? People flocked to their shows, paid to get in, and bought their records nontheless. This is an example of how consumers will pay a reasonable fee for a genuine QUALITY product. The difference in opinion is what defines "reasonable".... But no matter what they do people are always going to make their legally entitled backups. It's fair, and just. We already paid for it.

2225.4.2006 19:47

Artist sells millions of records, gets big fat check in return. Pirates download popular song countles amount of times, artist and record company still swim in millions of dollars. Artists and record companies complain of piracy, while they are sipping their 1960 Chardonnet, eating trufles and gambling their millions away at casinos.... Pirate is probably broke, no intent to buy, who suffers? CERTAINLY THE ARTISTS AND RECORD COMPANIES!! YES ABSOLUTELY. Poor rich and famous, did the pirates rob them of their Luis Vitton bags, or Mercedes McLaren cars...? Yes, that must be it, and I am Clark Kent from Krypton. Pleased to meet you Earthlings.

2325.4.2006 19:48

Everything the RIAA says is just propaganda to fuel their corporate greed. They need people to illegaly download their product. Do the math. How much do/would you spend a year on MPAA/RIAA products? Now, sit and think about how much money they are receiving from these lawsuits. Now, maybe my math is a little fuzzy, but my two numbers didn't come out to be the same. A lot of people say that the majority of what is put out by the recording industry is "crap." If this truly was the case, nobody would be downloading it. Just about everybody that I know has an unlimited access high speed account, so the time of a download isn't an issue, but no matter how you look at it, crap is still crap. You don't hear about people downloading everything off of Download.Com just because its there. They download it because they want it. Even if you were to get every song that any of the pirate sites had to offer, you couldn't listen to everything in your lifetime. Now granted, I've stumbled across some music that I've enjoyed and probably wouldn't have heard anywhere else if it wasn't for Napster and the like back in the day, but 100% of the time if I haven't heard of it, I'm not going to waste my time downloading it. Everything is about money. If it actually cost the RIAA/MPAA money to proceed with these lawsuits, then they wouldn't be doing it. You can argue about what the RIAA/MPAA saya about piracy if you want, but it is all propoganda. Propoganda almost worked for Hitler, what can a big company with deep pockets do with it?

2425.4.2006 20:08

Quote:
i have a word or two for the RIAA, You are: hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, ...
Yeah, but what do you really think, Ireland? <hee-hee> I simply LOVED seeing the official RIAA website get thoroughly *hoodwinked* by hackers - complete with active links to copyrighted songs! (It was hilarious!) :-) :-) Hackers have, on several occassions, completely mucked-up their official opening webpage - and it was a really good (professional-looking) job too. The hackers showed good humour, professional-grade taste (no vulgarity), and a remarkable degree of expertise in their hacks. At first glance, one could be forgiven for thinking (at least initially) that they were viewing the legit RIAA page. I DO SO wish someone would hack into these buggers again just for old time's sake, y'know? It really gave us all a needed boost in spirits, and proved that the mighty, "untouchable", all-powerful, all-knowing RIAA wasn't (and isn't) quite as all-knowing as what they would have us believe. The Internet en masse is far more powerful than the RIAA would ever want you to know. Their rampant, desperate, scattershot deluge of lawsuits just proves how far out of touch they are with the realities of the Modern Internet. Cool! :-)

2525.4.2006 20:23

Preach it Klingon!!!

2625.4.2006 21:16
ricky91
Inactive

soon time will come for all of us to go upstairs to the attic and find those old tape recorders filled with dust. hope they still work

2725.4.2006 21:42

Do they do anything like this in England? I mean, filing lawsuits and stuff...

2826.4.2006 6:32

A LITTLE MORE INFO EFF says 'stop RIAA madness' p2p news / p2pnet: The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) has joined the steadily growing crowd that's had enough of the Big Four Organized Music cartels' vicious and bizarre sue 'em all marketing scheme. In its latest phk-up, the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America), owned by Warner Music, Sony BMG, Vivendi Universal and EMI, subpoenaed a Georgia family which A) doesn't own a computer and B) isn't even online. This shouldn't come as any kind of surprise, however. The RIAA has also tried to sue Gertrude Walton, an 83-year-old deceased grandmother, not to mention children as young as 12, and their parents. Now, "Take a Stand Against the Madness; Stop the RIAA!," says the EFF. "The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is on a rampage, launching legal attacks against average Americans from coast to coast. Rather than working to create a rational, legal means by which its customers can take advantage of file-sharing technology and pay a fair price for the music they love, it has chosen to sue people like Brianna LaHara, a 12 year-old girl living in New York City public housing. read the rest here http://p2pnet.net/story/8645

2926.4.2006 8:39

Quote:
soon time will come for all of us to go upstairs to the attic and find those old tape recorders filled with dust. hope they still work
Been there, done that, Ricky. It's an excellent idea too, and everyone should do it. Do what? Burn a bunch of standard red-book music cds of stuff you're *never* going to see again in any store, before it's too late. I dragged out an old turntable, and transferred a rather irreplaceable collection of vinyl LPs, 45-rpm singles, and even some old shellac 78-rpm phonograph records; an old Radio Shack 8-track recorder/player to transfer a large box of country & western tapes for my dad; and a whack of old cassette tapes. Since ALL of these recordings had been long since been paid for (at retail), I felt no immediate compulsion to advise the RIAA of my dirty, filthy guilty acts of Piracy, send them a big cheque ($$) to ease my conscience, and beg them not to sue me, (or my dog, or my canany, or my goldfish which passed away last week, or .....) <gg> A completely free program to do this (Exact Audio Copy) is available right here in the a/D download section! :-)

3126.4.2006 11:51

Damm.. RIAA lawsuit hits family with no computer or Internet access, says it all.. Not the first time the RIAA retards have slipped up.. This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 26 Apr 2006 @ 11:52


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3226.4.2006 12:03

rav009 you know you are not allowed to post your site and mine for members.. are you special or did you ask drd if you are allowed to post your site.

3326.4.2006 12:22

EDIT: Understood now..

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3426.4.2006 12:40

He's referring to this, Register, we need members http://gameforums.jconserv.net/ If you didn't put them there then someone probably got your password and messed with your account - us mods can't do anything with users sigs. If you feel someone has gotten into your account then change your password immediately, fix your sig and take measures to prevent someone getting it again.




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3526.4.2006 12:46

Ah alright,its not my site, a member asked me if i would put it there for him and i thought it would be ok to add a little reference to the site after seeing members do it. I have no problems with removing that one little link to there site so no harm done :)


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3626.4.2006 13:00

It's really interesting to read all these arguments, and to still know that those same logical arguments would never hold up in courts. It really bugs me that so many people can assess the situation; agree that so many things are wrong with what the RIAA is doing; and yet nothing can be done to stop them. The RIAA will continue to exist for a very long time, not because there is a concern about money lost from piracy; but because it is profitable. They were founded to make an example; and to scare people into straightening out. But now; it's become clear that they aren't interested at all in stopping this massive occurence from happening. Instead; they have shifted more to a focus on profiting further from it; and the lawyers involved will only continue to profit. These are easy, open and shut cases. They invest probably an average of MAYBE $1000 investigational fees per case before issuing a subpeona. Maybe. That's a REALLY high estimate. And they win how many thousands from each case. These lawyers can easily close most of these cases in a courtroom in less than an hour of effort. It's really hard to beat that kind of cash for so little effort on the lawyer's part.




"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim

3726.4.2006 13:33

more info RIAA sues dead women, refuses to believe she's dead Posted by Quakester2000 on 26 April 2006 - 22:21 - Source: The Inquirer Savannah used our news submit to tell us that the RIAA has accused a dead grandmother of downloading music. The woman accused is Getrude Walton and she has supposedly downloaded 700 songs off P2P networks, and the RIAA wants the matter to be seen in court. Gertrude has supposedly been breaking the law persistently even, ignoring requests from the RIAA to pay compensation. The RIAA didn’t seem to realise that the women has been dead since December 2004. go here to read it all http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13346

3826.4.2006 14:01

more info on the riaa EFF creates petition against RIAA lawsuits for Congress Posted by Dan Bell on 26 April 2006 - 14:27 - Source: Electronic Frontier Foundation neo1918 used our news submit to tell us "Make a difference and sign the petition. Then get your firends to sign it. The EFF wants 100,000 signatures, but imagine how cool it would be if there are way more than that!" The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is on a rampage, launching legal attacks against average Americans from coast to coast. Rather than working to create a rational, legal means by which its customers can take advantage of file-sharing technology and pay a fair price for the music they love, it has chosen to sue people like Brianna LaHara, a 12 year-old girl living in New York City public housing. Brianna, and hundreds of other music fans like her, are being forced to pay thousands of dollars they do not have to settle RIAA-member lawsuits -- supporting a business model that is anything but rational. This crusade is generating thousands of subpoenas and hundreds of lawsuits, but not a single penny for the artists that the RIAA claims to protect. Copyright law shouldn"t make criminals out of 60 million Americans, go here to read it all http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13343

3926.4.2006 18:55

The US govt needs to step in and do something...wait ,my bad,the govt is just as bad as the RIAA!! how could I forget!

4027.4.2006 5:34

something that all people with a wireless connection should read up on this is a group of programs developed and put out freely to the web for "ANYONE" to down load is called "AIRCRACK" this program set is designed to alow a user to break passwords for a secure wireless connection so if you think well "wep" will keep people out then your very miss lead by someone, ask your service provider, if they will pay any fines if your wrongly accused of downloading music or movies illeaglly? and then invest in encryption software.... but that might raise the eye of our all seeing "big Brothers" good luck

4127.4.2006 6:05
shraven
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"Music and other copyrighted materials are some of America's most important, cherished and visible exports," If music is some of our most important exports, it's now wonder that the US is becoming a joke in the world market. But such over-inflated ego is par for the course from the RIAA

4227.4.2006 9:37

Again; the RIAA isn't interested in stopping downloads or protecting music. They are interested in how easy it is to profit from this illegal action.




"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim

4327.4.2006 9:57

I read in our city paper that there will be about 2600 letters sent out to people who have illegally downloaded content from the internet. Dating as far back as 1997. WTF! How can they prosecute you? Do they have to have physical evidence like finding the cd's you burned or can they sue you just by noting you were on this site and downloaded this on this date? Crazy!!

4427.4.2006 10:28
oracle
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They have to suit them selves first, just to be sure that they will stay on business. On the other hand u.s. courts must obligate them first to invest in the sniffing - spoofing business, which be good for all the planet and give sentences 1 000 000 times the fee they asked because they keep busy away for more serious business the attorneys, judges, e.t.c. The morons instead of paying tons of bucks in the law firm they could get proces lower and voila' no problem at all. That's all folks!

4527.4.2006 12:40

"What is this thing Grandpa" "That's a CD" "What's a CD" "OH it stored music that was played on a CD player" "Where did you get them" "Bought them at a store" "Bought, you mean you had buy music at a store" "Yes grandson. You see once upon a time record companies owned all the music and would sell a number of them on each CD" "What if you only wanted one song" "Had to buy the whole CD" "What happen to them" "Oh they didn't like the internet and tried to stop folks from downloading only the songs they liked. They refused to accept the new technology. Eventually artists found out they could do better by letting people have to music cheap or for nothing and make their income by holding concerts." "Ahh I see. Kinda like the old Oil Companies we learnt in history that ignored alternative fuels." "Exactly my boy, exactly"

4627.4.2006 15:27

I don't live in the US.. but it would be great if more and more people could sign the EFF petition - http://www.eff.org/share/petition/ -Mike

4727.4.2006 15:39

This is why the government should strongly condemn monopolies and put them out of business. The RIAA, are clearly out of control, and suing children is unethical, not that these greedy chipmunks care about morality! Bastards, excuse my language, but they've gone too far! BOYCOTT!!! Calling all people to hold an international boycott of their products, if they won't change, we won't buy their products!

4828.4.2006 9:04

I use p2p to find music I once had in the past that has not been available from "the industry" plus other music, and I can honestly say that BECAUSE I downloaded something I like, I've gone and purchased the legitimate item. Did you hear that , RIAA , I was compelled to buy it for myself, which I wouldnt have otherwise done. The whole business is such a closed shop, i.e if your not in the Union you dont get airplay...you must fit into a catagory, you must look like all the other bands in the same catagory as you... I see a time when bands wont need the RIAA or the BPI, the internet will do that. Slowly but surely these DINOSAURS will finally DIE. These MIDDLE MEN will lose their stranglehold and music will once again be free from their control . So Here's to YOUR EXTINCTION :) ;) :)

4928.4.2006 9:35

While I do see this as 'the old way'. And I do see that it needs to pass on, I also see that this is highly profitable for them. They make money so much easier from this, than they do from you actually buying the music, whether it be online or off. So; whether it's old fashioned or not; they're making a boatload of money on it. And as long as that trend continues; the lawsuits will continue. And why would they even think of stopping something so (evil and) profitable?




"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim

5028.4.2006 17:50

I have not bought any CD's since the RIAA started their BULL@#% and I won't until it has stopped. I remember the"good old days" when I transfered songs from my albums to cassette tapes to play in my car stereo. Now I do the same thing using the computer to transfer to CD to use in the car. What's their point(RIAA). Try making your industry more friendly to your customers and you'll see a big difference in sales and your public image!

5129.4.2006 14:38

lol, damn record companies... they're too damn greedy

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jhon123
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spam edited by ddp

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 06 May 2010 @ 14:15

536.5.2010 4:49

"Bottom line though; the RIAA cannot afford to pursue cases of this nature; as it would severely damage their credibility."

Credibility? From the RIAA? They never had any...their first blips on the public radar were bad, and things have only gotten worse since then. When recording artists start fighting an organization that claims to protect artists, you know they have nothing resembling credibility.

RIAA is a terrorist organization, they try to manipulate the actions of civilians through fear. This is the very definition of terrorism, and any legitimate government would do something about it. However, the USA will never do anything about it...if they did, they would be obligated to dismantle their own terrorist organizations like Al-Queda and the DEA.

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