Look like the 360 has lost all its steam.That was short only 1 year & half.

But after a price drop and the release of Halo 3 I think sales will start to increase.

No shorter than the ps3 at a few months. With sales slowing their I don't see how they are making money.

The PS3 isn't doing too bad. The thing about the PS3 is what's coming out this Fall and beyond. They're just starting to program specifically for the PS3. Have you seen some of the title demos on the Japan PS3 site? Wow... looking cool!

I am going to wait for all the M$ fanboy's to jump on this article and start the comparison between this and PS3.

The PS3 is already dead.Sales dropped by 82% after one week of launch
now that the hardcore Sony fanboys have creamed themselves with
their Trojan Horse.
Most passive gamers buy the Wii and hardcore gamers get a 360.
That leaves the Blu-ray film market with the PS3 which is like
2% (HD TV owners) as there are no games on the system to warrant
it's current price tag.All I see right now is shops dropping the price on the PS3 almost every fortnight to increase the market share
and to increase software sales.
I was interested in the PS3 until I found out that the graphics
chipset is a generation older than the 360.What's the point of Blu-Ray's 50 gig capacity when the hardware can't even shove 1080p
at 60fps with detailed textures.One year later and where is that
power that Sony hyped to the max.
Ah but it can fold proteins at home,yeah...that's why I want one LOL!

People who continually say the PS3 has no games are making a dated argument. Much like the 360 is becoming dated. 360 owners know this. The processors are pretty much maxed-out with gears.

The Xbox 360 can't do much in 1080p. Sure, it can do simple 1080p games (like Virtua Tennis), but its smaller buffer and processing power prevents it from having complex situations going on in 1080p.

Currently the Xbox 360 just upscales to 1080p through VGA and component cables (and soon to be done through HDMI with the Elite).

Right now, I'm hooked on PS3's "Motorstorm" and the demo (free on PS3 site) for Ninja Gaidan Sigma. Anyone who buys a PS3 automatically gets free access to the Sony store, and several free demos -- including Motorstorm and Ninja Sigma. You don't even have to buy a game when you get it.

Tons of games are coming out in the next month to three months. Here is a list:

Here


A few random trailer links for games the PS3 either has out now, or will have out shortly:

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (out next month -- free demo on PS3 store that's great):
Here

Burnout 5
Here


Motorstorm (out now, and I own it):
Here

2K7 Baseball (Out now. I have it, and it's OK):
Here

Some random games from the Japan site that some may not have seen, just for fun:

Heavenly Sword:
Here

Afrika:
Here

Shirokish (sorry, only have the Japanese version link):
Here

alot of ppl wouldnt buy a xbox 360 lately because they want the elite version which comes with a 120 gb harddrive plus alot of ppl are buyin a wii and 360 so not like itsa surprise....

At least they are looking at the big picture.

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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The PS3 is already dead.Sales dropped by 82% after one week of launch
now that the hardcore Sony fanboys have creamed themselves with
their Trojan Horse.
Most passive gamers buy the Wii and hardcore gamers get a 360.
That leaves the Blu-ray film market with the PS3 which is like
2% (HD TV owners) as there are no games on the system to warrant
it's current price tag.All I see right now is shops dropping the price on the PS3 almost every fortnight to increase the market share
and to increase software sales.
I was interested in the PS3 until I found out that the graphics
chipset is a generation older than the 360.What's the point of Blu-Ray's 50 gig capacity when the hardware can't even shove 1080p
at 60fps with detailed textures.One year later and where is that
power that Sony hyped to the max.
Ah but it can fold proteins at home,yeah...that's why I want one LOL!

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Shows how little you know about the PS3 and how graphics function. Totally different world. You're just a troll, and your information is incorrect. Do yourself a favor and look up how the "cell" processors inside the PS3 work.

Originally posted by borhan9:

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At least they are looking at the big picture.

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Microsoft? Naw... the reviews are out on the Elite, and people are saying it's not worth an upgrade. It's nearly as expensive as a PS3, yet lacks most of the features (and no Blu-ray or even HD-DVD play capability). You can swap the HDD on the PS3 easily at any time. Can you do that on the 360? Not without some big $$$.

Full review on it:

Here

'CELL' don't make me laugh!I havn't seen one game on the PS3 that
shout's 'The Next Gen starts here!'.
I've read loads about the CPU and to my mind it's a nightmare
for developers to get the best out of it and when time=cost you can
be sure that the PS3 is going to get a load of sub rate ports.
Most of the games on the platform are 720p so don't even scream
about it's future potential when it's all theoretical BS that
Sony PR have regurgitated to the press.
I don't have to give a link to the vast amount of games being
developed on the 360 either.
It's online system is another bodged on attempt to compete with
the 360,free though it is but then so is a public toilet.
It's controler is a Mii too Next Gen statement that fails
miserably too with no rumble and where is that voice headset
and HDMI cable,that's right,cost cutting again,what a rip-off.

If you ask me who's doing the worst, weather it's PS3 or Xbox 360, I'd have to go with the PS3. I think all the Sony fanboys need to face the fact that the PS3 isn't gaining any traction. It's way to expensive of equipment with hardly any fun games to warrant it's price. Sales of gaming consoles always come to a slow pace after it's been out for some time, that's why you find other avenues to boost sales again such as a price drop and blockbuster titles. I think people need to revaluate the PS3 and see that it's not doing so peachy and it's losing way more money than Micro$oft is on the hardware side.

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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'CELL' don't make me laugh!I havn't seen one game on the PS3 that
shout's 'The Next Gen starts here!'.
I've read loads about the CPU and to my mind it's a nightmare
for developers to get the best out of it and when time=cost you can
be sure that the PS3 is going to get a load of sub rate ports.
Most of the games on the platform are 720p so don't even scream
about it's future potential when it's all theoretical BS that
Sony PR have regurgitated to the press.
I don't have to give a link to the vast amount of games being
developed on the 360 either.
It's online system is another bodged on attempt to compete with
the 360,free though it is but then so is a public toilet.
It's controler is a Mii too Next Gen statement that fails
miserably too with no rumble and where is that voice headset
and HDMI cable,that's right,cost cutting again,what a rip-off.

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well put

To funny. Where was all yall at when the 360 didnt have nothing to show for it. Currently there are only a few games worth putting effort into for the 360. As soon as all game consoles money making season kicks in which is from Sept - Jan, i want to see how many of yall who knock the PS3 because of its price are going to talking about what yall getting. Oh not to forget with the elite how many of yall are going to be willing to kick another $480 + for a system thats not worth the price. To be honest they need to be giving that one away to all those who suffered from the 3 red lights of death, system that over heated, systems with other unknown issues to be named later. Oh not to mention those of you who felt the need to buy the HD-DVD drive. You add that up and you spent damn near twice the amount then the PS3. Further more yeah Sony does need some improvements and yeah they have the same games out that the other consoles do oh whoopie doo. I bet you wont find as many people with the same issues with their PS3 as the 360.

A few PS3 "Burnout 5" screenshots:

http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...mages/b5ig9.jpg
http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...ages/b5ig12.jpg
http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...mages/b5ig6.jpg
http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...mages/b5ig5.jpg
http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...ages/b5ig14.jpg
http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...ages/b5ig15.jpg
http://www.operationburnout.com/newsupda...mages/b5ig2.jpg

All of you 360 fanboys, keep yappin'. The PS3 is coming along very well, and games are ramping up. By the way, did you know the PS2 is still the top selling standard definition console? I don't think Sony is hurting too much, especially since the PS3 is an investment in the future.

Those shots look nice.

Motorstorm on the PS3 (actual play shots. I own this game):

http://images.strategyinformer.com/screenshots/00163443.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/playstation/1/5/_/3/MotorStorm_15.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/playstation/1/5/U/3/MotorStorm_11.jpg
http://www.gamershell.com/static/screens...237371_full.jpg

More here:

Motorstorm

Why all the picture spam?
I could post a load of screens for the 360 that would
match or surpass any of those PS3 shots from a number
of web sites but I don't need to.
If I had to justify spending a load of cash for a PS3
it would be to play Blu-ray movies but when HD-DVD is cheaper why bother.
As for games,I still dont think it offers any better value than
the 360 in terms of what it can do on screen.
Most ports are graphicaly lower than the 360 and fps stutter more
often.
I'm not saying the PS3 can't do great games because it can but
compared to the majority of what can be done well on the 360
in a certain time frame,it can't compete and probably never will.

That was a funny statement preach on.

Originally posted by spydah:

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That was a funny statement preach on.

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It's ironic then that when Ken preaches 'the Next Generation starts
when we say so' that you would believe it.

If he praised a mere calculator as being the PS4 you'd believe it.
There's no reasoning with sheep when Ken is your shepherd.

First so you know i do have a PS3 second i do have a 360 and third i played both kinda equally. I dont believe nothing i dont see for myself. Also i have already gone through my own comparison between the 2 and the PS3 is a lot sharper and brighter with the current games then the 360. Plus since the PS3 is just starting out the 360 should be looking way better because they had time to work the kinks out but thats really not the case for me. Its just like it was for the Xbox over the PS2. People said all kinds a BS about the PS2 and the PS2 is still selling and selling strong the xbox is basically discontinued. The PS3 will shine strong come Sept - Jan. I know all yall hardcore 360 fans want to hate the PS3 so bad because right now there are all of the same games for the PS3 as the other consoles and yes that is kinda boring to see but they are obviously taking the slower approach with this and to some that may not be the smartest thing. Yeah the price is high on the front end of the system but not matter what yall want to say your paying more to keep your 360 up to date then you would just buying a PS3. Plus as i said in my other post on similar typics, if yall plan on buying a so called Elite version of the 360 you number 1 are over paying for something thats not truly a upgrade to start with and them fixing the overheating issues should have been done as a compliment to all of its customers rather making you fork out a extra $480+. You can take a nice pole and see how many PS3 owners verse 360 have had hardware issues. My only concern with the PS3 is them putting more fun into their games and that just dont stop with them its all consoles besides the Wii. So you come through here and whine and complain and get all worked up over something as small as a topic on a forum if that makes your undies wet. But all im going to say is its clear some of yall need to look closely at the hog yall so hard up for and believe so much in (M$) they been taking you for all your cash and if you like that then thats your choice.

Pronounced differences between Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox and PS3:

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10182

(it's best to download the high-def version on the right).

For all those of you posting those PS3 game pictures, clearly you havn't seen Gears of War, which is the BEST looking game out on any current next gen console and from what I can tell blows any PS3 game in the graphics department out of the water....thats fact.

I've seen Gears. It might be noted that Xbox is pretty much maxed-out with it. Also, the graphics are mostly grayscale-oriented, which was done specifically because the 360 lacks the ability to handle such high-rez graphics with color (especially when introducing multitudes of objects).

It took almost two years to bring out Gears for the 360. There weren't even any good games for the 360 for well over a year. Give the PS3 another year, and most games will be spanking Gears -- and with more color.

The 360 is old technology. It can BARELY do 1080p. The PS3 is currently handling it at 60fps with ease, and the games haven't even approached the PS3's capabilities.

But yeah, like old men lamenting their childhood, you'll always be able to sit around the Microsoft campfire and say, "Hey, do you remember Gears of War?"

Sadly, your friend will probably respond, "Yeah, it was the best thing out there until the PS3 spanked it."

Some of the comments here about the PS3 are hilarious.
If there are any games for the PS3 running 1080p at 60fps,
they must be crap or severely limited like 'GT HD'.
MotorStorm certainly runs at 720p and so does RFOM.
Most developers have admitted already that crippling the
PS3 to 1080p would severely restrict its rendering power
and would not match the 360 in frame rate at 720p.
Riiiiidge Raaaaacer........whatever!
Wake up to the Sony BS brigade for crying out loud.

Gears has no real colour.
I'd rub the shi# out your eyes first before you make another
comment.The 'Gears' I play bursts with colour and
shading effects,night and day with some of the best lighting and rendering I've seen yet, on any platform.
360 maxed out!Epic have said there's loads of power in the 360
that hasn't even been exploited yet so don't BS me.
Go away.....little children!

I guess since your a true M$ fanboy you can only keep bring Gears of War up. Its is by far the prettiest game the 360 has to offer. But there are truly only a good handful of good games on the 360 which are GoW, Ghost Recon 1 & 2, 2k7 Basketball and Baseball for that matter. The rest are mediocre at best or just not worth the effort. You can sit there and pick apart the current selection of PS3 games and i dont know where you got your stats about the PS3 but you need go back and look again without over hyping the 360 period. All it is a prettier Xbox with a new cape. They charging you damn near $100 for a 20GB HD that was that price when windows 98 was the hottest thing on the market and now 120GB drive that was $200 like 3 - 4 years ago. Where were you when Madden 06, Live 06, and the rest of the bad games that were launched for the 360 was out. At least Sony didnt have them rush to make games on a throw together system. Overheating and slue of other issues for the current 360 is the direct result of them trying to get a head start and they trailing to the Wii currently and thats evening maxed out its potential. Its simple the only game you got to throw in this argument is GoW. Again i like the game its pretty but short. The current best game PS3 is Resistance. When they launch their arsenal of games we can truly compare then but as for right now its sad that the 360 was out a year in a half and both systems are neck and neck with the PS3 only being out 6months. They dont evening have and strong launch titles yet. The only thing 360 have to hope for soon is Halo 3.

spyday, you're right. Gears of War on the 360 is too short.

They're limited by the fact that it uses old DVD technology, and game space is limited.

Care to guess at how much disk space is available to future titles on the PS3's Bluray disks?

I'm not sure how much space Blu-ray goes up to. I'm guessing like 50GB+.

I've never heard anyone make such a stupid uneducated comment like " Gears of War has no color". Only type of people that make those types of comments are those that are suffering from fanboyism. I've played Gears in HD and as I said before has plenty vibrant colors and blows any PS3 game out the water period. Maybe you should stop playing on your 12 inch TV.

Curious... how many Xbox360s have failed on you? For some people, it goes as high as 4.

I know im on #3 and i dont beat up my system by playing it all day and night. I play mines every couple days. But as long as M$ will replace it im fine but i know im not spending no more money on it thats for sure.

can someone please tell me the name of the game that is better than Gears of War on the ps3.and you say the game has no color are blind or is that just fanboy shades you have on.theere is alot of games out on the 360 that is good and look good so please go ahead with the 360 bashing and for your info iam still on my first consloe 11months and no problems at all.the ps3 is a power house tech wise but the games is not so powerful.imo

The Ps3 is king,it has Folding@Home,the best game ever.
The Next Gen starts now!
Bow down to Ken...

S'funny, I thought this thread was about the XBox 360 and the revenue situation.

Of course the revenues are down.
Of course shipments are down.

Wake up.
Do none of you guys have even a little bit of your 'minds' tuned to the actual business involved?

.....or are the most pointless, dreary & superficial fanboy ravings the most you can manage and the best you have got?

They are obviously clearing stocks and preparing for their new model.
I don't mean the Elite either, that is a mere publicity generating stop-gap bringing the bigger HDD for IPTV to owners of the original mk1 XBox 360(s).

The new and significant development is the imminent 65nm CPU/GPU version - and all the options it will bring in terms of their revenue strategy.

We await developments but my guess is that by Q3 of this year the really aggressive pricing begins.

Microsoft are about to end or have already ended subsidising the mk1 version of the XBox 360 now.
With the new 65nm hardware the costs reduce even further and they will be in a position to choose to make net profits on each unit or go back to subsidising at much reduced expense to the company.

Clearly this allows them the option of a seriously aggressive pricing policy but, as I said and most importantly, at much lower net costs.

Oh and I'm not really into consoles but everything I've read about the PS3 says there are very few games worth even looking at and those that are even half-way decent are short shallow games.

So much for those 50gbs.

Still, what else are the resident fanclub going to say about it?

I think what we're saying here is that it took the 360 almost 2 years before Gears of War came along. We're starting to see titles on the PS3 which are comparable, and it's barely been out 6 months (and developers are just now learning how to write for it).

See the above photos for comparisons.

Where the 360 will have one to three "good games" that look 2nd gen (and they will have to be short, due to capacity of the drive), like Gears, the PS3 will have boatloads of them. See the above pictures for proof of just one. I'd post more from other games, but I've been accused of "picture spam."

The PS3 games will be much longer and have greater framerates at 1080p, as well.

The 360 is two year-old technology, guys.

@ Baccusboy

The PS3 is as old as the 360 in design.
The Blu-ray player spec wasn't finalised until late
last year which is what held it back in the first place.
That being the HDMI 1.3 port and Blu-ray diode.
That's why it has an old RSX graphics chipset.
For what it costs and being a year and a half late,
it should of had 2 CELL's,a better graphics chipset
with a total of 1 gig RAM and I would of definitely got one.
As it is,it struggles to surpass the 360 and that is lame considering
the extra time Sony had to improve the hardware.
It Truly sux for what it costs,and I don't want a movie player!

The hardware in the PS3 is of a much newer technology. The Cell doesn't utilize ram in the same way as previous chips do. I'll dig it up, but somewhere I have an explanation of this. In truth, it has more than enough ram.

By the way, here is a shot of the typically color-starved Xbox360 title, "Gears of War". The scenes with color are typically muddy and inconsistent. Only the black/white scenes pop best.

Note a consistent problem with this title: tearing (off-center section near the blast). They system can't keep up. Check out the blast:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/200...6_screen016.jpg

Some cool images from the PS3's upcoming, "Ratchet & Clank.":

http://www.playfrance.com/news-images-ra...ank-future.html

Here's one. Sorry these are so darned big. I actually shrunk this one. Click the link above for more detailed versions with less compression:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Greenmatiz2/8170j.jpg

As I also said, the 360 is reaching the peak of its development.

But don't listen to me... take it from the mouths of the developers:

X-box 360 is limiting Grand Theft Auto IV, Rockstar games says:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=163233

The point of this thread is the XBox 360, it's sales, their future strategy and how the current revenue implications fit in with what is going on.

It isn't about cherry picked PS3 pictures.
.....and ChromeMud was right, the PS3 being delayed just meant the PS3 was delayed, it did not get a further year+ of hardware development, they just had to await BD components.
The PS3 also has the handicap of the Cell being difficult to work with.
Like all these consoles a sheer lack of RAM remains a problem.

But at heart the PS3 & XBox 360 are very very close in capability - one is slightly better at one area of activity and the other another.
ie so little in it it makes claims of hardware superiority ridiculous, it really does come down to ease of coding, game availability etc etc - and there it looks like the XBox 360 is well ahead.

.....and turning up a quote in some games magazine from someone in the games industry (cor, wow full house, games journos & games makers, what a bunch of totally unconnected, completely independent and wholly reliable sources there, not a risk to advertising revenues, sub-contrating nor a vested interest of any kind in sight at all, not) proves nothing.

In any event we can see from the Wii that high def is not an 'answer' alone, ditto 'needing' to go beyond DVD9.....although why on earth a multi-disc set is beyond them I don't know.

.....and the fact that under 25% of Americans even have HD TVs (and far less in Europe) ought to again high-light the pointlessness of a dubious and highly questionable set of claims regarding the graphics capability of one high def console against another.

A wholescale reliance on pretty pictures is a gross mistake......as Nintendo sales ought to be saying - to anyone not blinded by their ludicrous 'love' of a CE company - loud and clear.

Naturally the fanboy element isn't interested in the obvious signs that Microsoft's 65nm CPU & GPU are immininet, nor where 65nm leaves things.

They just can't help trying to turn every thread into a 'Sony is great' banner.

Laughable.

hughjars
prehaps MS has stabilized the 360 and they are no longer resaling consoles at a high rate :X

Anyway MS dose have a limited niche they have a good bit of access to 2.3rds the "pie" but in all MS is still a niche console compared to what the PS2 was and what Nintendo general is,Nin might get dissed but the haters have their latest and great hidden with the "other" console they hate so much :X

the WII is everyones "2nd console" thos that only have a wii and no other consoles tend to do movies or sports as their main hobby the WII is more than a niche product.

the PS3 has started out as a japan only and high end niche its moving SLOWLY to high end niche but wont really leave their until the price drops 100 or more.

Hughjar's,

I can agree a little to what you typed but when you said that;

They just can't help trying to turn every thread into a 'Sony is great' banner.

Laughable.

That votes the same for the 360. No matter what this will always be the same debate that goes no where. Honestly we can all make claims about what we like but no matter what the opinion will always be divided. We all got a good point to a certain degree.

As for tearing on the 360,I've rarely seen it,some people
see it more than others.I don't know whether it's a TV
problem with vertical sychronisation or a problem with
the 360 itself.
The thing is,it's not just related to the 360.It's affecting
the PS3 aswell and people are reporting it and some are
saying they havn't seen it.
Check out the link at Eurogamer for PS3 review of
Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=75934

Well I'm bored with Bacusboy's biased pic display of what
constitutes poor 360 graphics in comparison to PS3 so here's
some picture spam to back my argument that the 360 has great
colourful ingame graphics!
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1167/full-res/1162870056.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1167/full-res/1162870055.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1324/full-res/1166749064.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1182/full-res/1159456852.jpg

End of SPAM!

ChromeMud
well the 360 is nothing to sneeze at but I think the PS3 dose a bit better in graphics at least when it comes to stills,when you boil it down the differences are so few and far between the PS3 is just to costly for to few games.

the 360 is "better" but I am not happy with it at least not happy enough to spend 500 in 1 setting I will wait another year before I dig in a buy one.

@ ZIppyDSM

All I'm saying is that the PS3 isn't offering anything
more substantial than what the 360 is, at a cheaper price.
For high def gaming,there is virtualy nothing between them
and when it comes down to price and game availability
it's a simple choice to make.

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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@ ZIppyDSM

All I'm saying is that the PS3 isn't offering anything
more substantial than what the 360 is, at a cheaper price.
For high def gaming,there is virtualy nothing between them
and when it comes down to price and game availability
it's a simple choice to make.

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Agreed
the PS3 has so far only brought propaganda it cant deliver becuse of the price and the lack of games it will take 2 years at the least for it to grow enough of a libary to have a relook and even then if its not under 500 its not worth fooling with I like FPSs and RPGs ,FF has become a shallow Jpop inspired fantasy/Sci fi nightmare take the best of anime remove it and you have a new FF game....as for FPSs devs no longer give you all the small options you need to be able to enjoy the game blahing welcome to gaming 6.o ><

Again, very very little color in the first several Gears of War Xbox360 photos, and the one photo you have color in shows an explosion, which has little definition to it. The background graphics are really not that impressive when color is added. Notice the lack of definition in the final Gears photo, as well.

Originally posted by Baccusboy:

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Again, very very little color in the first several Gears of War Xbox360 photos, and the one photo you have color in shows an explosion, which has little definition to it. The background graphics are really not that impressive when color is added.

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god this reminds me of the SNES v Genesis days.....give it a rest....you're posting propaganda in the wrong room.....*sigh*

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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hughjars
prehaps MS has stabilized the 360 and they are no longer resaling consoles at a high rate

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- That might be a possibility zippy.......if it wasn't for the fact that we know that a substantially revised version is coming
(and like I said, a paint job to produce the 'elite' is not it - it's really just a publicity vehicle for getting the much bigger HDD out for mk1 XBox 360 owners).

The 65nm CPU & CPU version will be the real mk2.

Originally posted by spydah:

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That votes the same for the 360. No matter what this will always be the same debate that goes no where. Honestly we can all make claims about what we like but no matter what the opinion will always be divided. We all got a good point to a certain degree.

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- I would never deny anyone their right to take whatever view they like and of course I realise that the argument between people who prefer one brand over the other will probably always go on - and to a point that's even fair enough.

What I do find that stands out is that the 'fanclub' on one side in particular is at it every time and I don't think that always holds true of the other.

All too often any notion of 'debate' is swiftly lost - staying on topic at least once in a while would be nice.

Points raised are rarely even attempted to be discussed as things degenerate into a 'ya boo' PR flag-wave for 'you know who'.
Hydra, anyone? *rolls eyes*

God knows why they even bother tho as it's so obvious that it's got to be a seriously counter-productive bore to any geniunely neutral interested parties looking on.

hughjars
I was being slight sarcastic :X

I wish MS had a better upgrade plan for the 360 its all been rather fcked,the HDMI is imperfect as well it dose smack of a paint job to boost sales I hope the double 65NM gpu/cpu 360s elites will have slightly better HDMI but who knows MS tends to slop thigns on last minute....

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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hughjars
I hope the double 65NM gpu/cpu 360s elites will have slightly better HDMI but who knows MS tends to slop thigns on last minute....

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- I'm far from convinced about HDMI.
I have it on my HD TV so I guess it's it's a handy additional connection point.
But I have no intention on updating my receiver at great expense for some time yet, which you have to take full advantage of HDMI.

It's really at heart another DRM mechanism.....and let's not forget that it'll be a very very long time until it means anything in the wider mass-market - if ever.

....and anyways which version of HDMI?
We already had 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.3a & 2.0 is being rumoured as coming soon.
The elite's 1.2 may not have the same range as the 1.3 version but really, who cares that much right now, 'spec-sheet jockeys'?

I have 5.1 DD, full DTS, SACD & DVD-A sound via my lving room receiver & my PC can output 8.1 sound but tbh I just don't attach the importance some do to HDMI.

Maybe in time I'll feel differently about it when I get a Dolby HD receiver but I have a hard time doing so just now, it's just really not that big a deal to me either way.

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I hope the double 65NM gpu/cpu 360s elites will have slightly better HDMI but who knows MS tends to slop thigns on last minute....

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- I'm far from convinced about HDMI.
I have it on my HD TV so I guess it's it's a handy additional connection point.
But I have no intention on updating my receiver at great expense for some time yet, which you have to take full advantage of HDMI.

It's really at heart another DRM mechanism.....and let's not forget that it'll be a very very long time until it means anything in the wider mass-market - if ever.

....and anyways which version of HDMI?
We already had 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.3a & 2.0 is being rumoured as coming soon.

I have 5.1 DD, full DTS, SACD & DVD-A sound via my lving room receiver & my PC can output 8.1 sound but tbh I just don't attach the importance some do to HDMI.

Maybe in time I'll feel differently about it but I have a hrd time doing so just now, it's just really not that big a deal to me either way.

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ya really all it is is a mini all in one cable,still it be nice to have a fully working HDMI and not just a video with crippled sound HDMI..blahg

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it be nice to have a fully working HDMI and not just a video with crippled sound HDMI..blahg

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- But that's just it zippy, what does this idea of "crippled sound" actually mean
(assuming you are being serious, which is often not the case I know)?

HDMI 1.2 (and in fact there is a 1.2'a' version of it too) can handle SACD spec 8 channel audio, hardly "crippled" by any serious standard.

.....and like I said utterly meaningless to the vast majority - except those 'spec-sheet jockey' types.

(consider this, if under 25% of Americans and far far lower numbers of Europeans have HD TV just how many do you seriously imagine have HDMI receivers?)

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[quote]it be nice to have a fully working HDMI and not just a video with crippled sound HDMI..blahg

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- But that's just it zippy, what does this idea of "crippled sound" actually mean
(assuming you are being serious, which is often not the case I know)?

HDMI 1.2 (and in fact there is a 1.2'a' version of it too) can handle SACD spec 8 channel audio, hardly "crippled" by any serious standard.

.....and like I said utterly meaningless to the vast majority - except those 'spec-sheet jockey' types.

(consider this, if under 25% of Americans and far far lower numbers of Europeans have HD TV just how many do you seriously imagine have HDMI receivers?)[/quote]
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sorry sorry the elites HDMI sound output is 2 channel only,or did I misunderstand again...LOL

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sorry sorry the elites HDMI sound output is 2 channel only,or did I misunderstand again...LOL

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- Naaa zippy mate, it's HDMI version 1.2a.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_Elite

There's really nothing 2 channel about it - though I'm sure one or two around here were happy to maintain you in your mistaken ideas on that one.
Dolby Digital, DTS & WMA pro are all very high quality (if not quite the highest out there) multi-channel audio sound specs (to 5.1).

Perhaps you were confused by the talk of "This means the Elite will be able to output Dolby Digital, DTS, WMA Pro, and 2 channel PCM audio via the HDMI connection"?

(from Wiki link)

Interestingly I've also seen it said that the reason Sony got 1.3 so early on their PS3 is because they are HDMI 'founders' (surprise surprise, Sony paving the way & inventing new routes to DRM) as opposed to Microsoft being HDMI 'supporters'.

I suppose it might be interesting to see what the real mk2 version (the 65nm version) appears with later in the year.

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[quote]sorry sorry the elites HDMI sound output is 2 channel only,or did I misunderstand again...LOL

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- Naaa zippy mate, it's HDMI version 1.2a.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_Elite

There's really nothing 2 channel about it - though I'm sure one or two around here were happy to maintain you in your mistaken ideas on that one.
Dolby Digital, DTS & WMA pro are all very high quality (if not quite the highest out there) multi-channel audio sound specs (to 5.1).

Perhaps you were confused by the talk of "This means the Elite will be able to output Dolby Digital, DTS, WMA Pro, and 2 channel PCM audio via the HDMI connection"?

(from Wiki link)

Interestingly I've also seen it said that the reason Sony got 1.3 so early on their PS3 is because they are HDMI 'founders' (surprise surprise, Sony paving the way & inventing new routes to DRM) as opposed to Microsoft being HDMI 'supporters'.

I suppose it might be interesting to see what the real mk2 version (the 65nm version) appears with later in the year.[/quote]
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gggaaaaa.... I am losing my geek powers ><


so comparing the HDMI output on the ps3 and 360 the difference is?(tell me oh great one because I dun want to think LOL)

The difference is HDMI version 1.2a to 1.3.

You'll find the answers to your questions (oh great one!?) here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

To be brief -

Bandwidth is up from the 1.2a's 4.9gb/sec to 10.2gb/sec
(both specs are a huge amount of bandwidth and plenty for HD picture & sound)

Basically if you have the right kind of receiver (which aren't exactly 'thick on the ground' right now) you'll get better audio with HDMI 1.3 compared to HDMI 1.2a

(but it really is a question of degree - can you tell the difference between full DTS 5.1 and Dolby HD or a lossless PCM output?
How does DVD-Audio sound to you or SACD?
Cos HDMI 1.2a is good enough to output both fully).

There is also provision with 1.3 (if your screen permits it) for the 'deep colour' higher bit colours.

Like I said zippy, a mountain has been made out of this and I really just don't see it in any practical and honest sense at all.

Spec-sheet jockeys waving flags for their beloved is what it's been about as far as I can see......and I bet almost none of them have an HDMI receiver (of any kind for any of the specs).

That and a load of indulgent childish BS about 'future-proofing' which, as the soon to be appearing version 2.0 shows all too clearly, there is no such thing.

IMO it's merely a slogan, an ad-man's dream, aided and abetted by those who want to willingly kid themselves into the delusion they are so smart in their purchases.

all pictures edited as links because of dialup members.