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09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - AACS LA tries to eradicate it

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 03 May 2007 14:52 User comments (34)

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - AACS LA tries to eradicate it The group responsible for the licensing of the Advanced Access Content System (AACS) copy protection present on Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD movies, AACS LA, has literally attempted to banish a string of letters and numbers from the Internet. The sequence of letters and numbers that is the headline can be allegedly used as a "processing key" to decrypt several HD DVD movie titles.
Recently this 32-hexadecimal digit code got a lot of attention, particularly on Digg.com, and it seems that AACS LA got angry about it and decided to test the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Attorneys for the group issued letters to multiple Web sites and services, including search engines, demanding the removal of the "key".

"It is our understanding that you are providing to the public the above-identified tools and services at the above referenced URL," reads one letter sent to Google, "and are thereby providing and offering to the public a technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that is primarily designed, produced, or marketed for the purpose of circumventing the technological protection measures afforded by AACS (hereafter, the "circumvention offering"). Doing so constitutes a violation of the anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act."

Some sources that had been featured and popular on Digg.com were initially removed. At the time, Digg CEO Jay Adelson wrote, "We've been notified by the owners of this intellectual property that they believe the posting of the encryption key infringes their intellectual property rights. In order to respect these rights and to comply with the law, we have removed postings of the key that have been brought to our attention.Our goal is always to maintain a purely democratic system for the submission and sharing of information," Adelson said.

He continued: "We want Digg to continue to be a great resource for finding the best content. However, in order for that to happen, we all need to work together to protect Digg from exposure to lawsuits that could very quickly shut us down." The accounts of the users who originally submitted it to Digg were also suspended. This led to an outcry from Digg users, which was loud enough for the company to change its mind.

"Today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code. But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you've made it clear. You'd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company," said Digg founder Kevin Rose in a blog post later, with the key in the title.

"If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying," he concluded. Many feel that this attempt from AACS LA was over the top, and judging by Google results while searching for the key now, it only served to make the key more widespread. Whether the key is even useful with newer or upcoming titles is irrelevant, it is not a decryption tool, it's a string of text.

Many of the users in our community feel frustrated by the limitations that systems such as AACS impose on legitimate customers. Right now, for example, some have a goal of getting their HD DVD discs playing on Linux, whether the AACS LA approves or not. The response to the misuse of the DMCA by the AACS LA attorneys should serve as a lesson to the group.

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13.5.2007 15:32

Good for Digg, and by the way does anybody like my new sig? made it right after this news came out at doom9, freedom for the people!

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"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08

23.5.2007 15:52
hughjars
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What a bunch of pointless d*cks.

Way to spread the word guys!

I hear it's even on T-shirts now.

Sooner or later someone has got to start working out just how much money these DRM 'snake-oil salesmen' and their charlatan lawyers are costing everybody in this futile 'battle'.

Not one example of their anti-piracy so-called 'security' has ever remain uncracked or unavoided.

They really are a bunch of worthless parasites, pointlessly trying to shore up the 'old ways' and the usual instinctive disproportionate and corrupt pricing policy(s) when all they deserve are radical changes that recognise the way things are today.

(like when people download and burn their own copies of - legal - material we have bourne the majority of the overheads etc)

If 'the industry' was honest enough to get rid of all the DRM costs (including the lawyers & lobbyists attempting to subvert our law into being even more of a corporate plaything) and had the guts to lower prices (instead of pocketing the savings) and therefore allow the costs of their products to fall to a realistic and honest level most piracy would become so insignificant as to not be worth bothering about.

It's sheer greed that keeps this little 'bandwagon' rolling, they know they can only 'do a King Canute' but there are too many pigs sucking at the trough to admit the truth of this.

33.5.2007 16:06

I heard they were trying to copyright this number/code!

43.5.2007 17:29

This is the first step and they are getting all bent out of shape. Just wait and see what happens when there are numerous cracks in breaking code for the new DVD's out there. They can not stop it, You can come up with new protection but that does not mean it wont be broken sooner or later.

53.5.2007 18:29

This is just like the big DeCSS fiasco that a normal guy started. So back then it was "DVD" Jon Lachensen and his posting of the DeCSS code. The orginazations tried to fight it, and lost. But what happened while they were fighting? The code was put on who knows how many web pages, put onto clothing, etc. Now today in the face of a new copy protection scheme we have a large group of talented people working together to do just what DVD Jon did all so many years ago. The new organization (AACS-LA) is trying to banish the code from every source it has appeared on the internet. While doing this though code has spread much quicker through forums just like this one, and the code is already on t-shirts being sold globally! I forsee another DeCSS war being waged? The victor? Uncertain.

63.5.2007 21:33

Strangest thing...I was walking along the street the other day and then all of a sudden 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

73.5.2007 22:32

wait a tic, my best impression of the aacs la...........

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

84.5.2007 0:12
pigfister
Inactive

The problem is that they have the American government on their payroll and will just send in the heavies as the USA is a police state as is the uk as business rules the world and they will stomp anyone who upsets their profits/shares!

watch this video as this is the tactics that the RIAA will soon be employing! as with the wool over American eyes, uk reporters failed to even mention these disgusting scenes as they battered innocent people with nightsticks, used tier gas and shot at families with rubber bullets! 5-1-07 LAPD ASSAULTS IMMIGRATION REFORM DEMONSTRATORS



RIAA claims rights to all artists' royalties

Originally posted by digg:
The RIAA is looking more and more like the Mafia. Not only is it trying to kill Internet radio, but its royalty-collecting subsidiary, SoundExchange, is now claiming the right to collect royalties for ALL artists, even those who want nothing to do with the RIAA and its jackbooted henchmen.
and this ain't a joke!




interesting article about why DRM is their if profits cannot be gained from sales they will sue the world in the name of the artist, another lie from the RIAA and American government.

Originally posted by arstechnica:
DRM, lock-ins, and piracy: all red herrings for a music industry in trouble

By Eric Bangeman | Published: April 12, 2007 - 10:51AM CT

A British media research company has peered into the music industry's crystal ball, and the outlook for the next couple of years isn't so hot. Global music sales will drop to $23 billion in 2009, just over half of 1997's $45 billion and down 16 percent from 2006. The biggest reason for the steep decline is a drop in CD sales, which Enders Analysis believes will not be fully offset by digital sales in the next five years.

Is piracy to blame? Is DRM the solution? Enders Analysis says no, instead laying the blame for the industry's sliding sales at the feet of the record labels. "As we analyze the industry's core challenges... we consistently find that the industry has lost the ability to influence and control its future," reads the report's executive summary. "Worse, the industry has often appeared caught short, and its reactions accordingly wrong-footed."

Where did the industry go wrong? At the height of the rush to DRM, the record labels decided to put their money behind expensive and ultimately unattractive subscription services at a time when Napster 1.0's popularity was it its peak. The industry favored an approach where consumers would be locked into monthly subscription deals that control how you used content.

Yet the writing was already on the wall, courtesy of P2P. Users prefer to pick and choose their favorite songs from among the sea of (sometimes free) content. It wasn't until 2003 that the iTunes Music Store opened, marking the music industry's first serious attempt at an online distribution model consumers would like. Yet by this time the industry had spent the previous years trying to fight the direction that the market was heading, which is a bit like trying to change the flow of a river. It can be done, but it's rarely easy and rarely worth it.

Speaking of Apple, Enders Analysis has some harsh words for the iPod-iTunes ecosystem. The report's authors believe that Apple's dominance of the digital music industry is hurting the market's evolution. Apple's insistence on a single, fixed price for all content hurts potential long-tail sales of older, back-catalog music. In addition, they're not impressed with the iPod-iTunes cycle, saying that Apple's reliance on iPod sales and resulting music pricing model may be squeezing both other players and music-only stores out of the market.

Of course, the recent move by EMI to liberate its catalog from the shackles of DRM will change the iTunes-iPod equation, as any player capable of playing AAC files will be able to play non-DRMed tracks purchased at the iTunes Store.


The biggest problem facing the music industry, according to Enders, is one that we've pointed out here at Ars: the decline of the album. The easy availability of digital music makes it possible for music fans to cherry-pick their favorite songs. In high school, I bought Abacab (yes, I'm old) in LP form by Genesis primarily because of the title track and "Dodo/Lurker." 26 years later, I would have just snagged those two tracks from the iTunes Store.

As you can see from the chart above, legal downloads are expected to continue their growth, but not at a rate that will be able to make up for the decline in CD sales. Although sales of a single track online arguably cost less for the record company due to the lack of physical distribution costs, the fact that music fans are picking their favorite songs from albums instead of buying the whole disc eats away at the advantages of digital distribution from a revenue standpoint.

The changing landscape has forced the Big Four labels to get creative with their revenue streams. One example is Universal's decision to sign a licensing deal with YouTube not long after suing it for copyright infringement. Under the terms of the deal, Universal will receive a chunk of the advertising revenues generated by YouTube, while YouTube gets the masters from Universal's music video library to work from.

Licensing deals will increasingly become a more important part of the revenue landscape for the record companies, but it's not likely to close the revenue gap. Unfortunately for the record labels, it looks like the glory days of the mid-90s have vanished forever, and no amount of lawsuits, DRM, or licensing deals will be able to turn back the clock.
DRM-lock-ins-and-piracy-all-red-herrings-for-a-music-industry-in-trouble.html" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...in-trouble.html

the page will not let me add this link as DRM is in the address, sorry long quote:
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94.5.2007 3:28

They have stupid people leading this stuff... that is impossible.

Freedom to the people !

104.5.2007 7:29

I don't think it helps the AACS when people keep
printing this key - 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

I recently decoded it on a SPARC network and it simply says
"All your base are belong to us"

Quite!

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114.5.2007 10:28

hahaha, showing the sequence in question on the front page, thats the afterdawn i loved.

so why cant we post sat feed codes huh?

124.5.2007 12:52
duckNrun
Inactive

@ ChromeMud:

LMFAO... that's great!

:-)

134.5.2007 19:49

DRM is the new SOS,snake oil salesmen :X

145.5.2007 10:33

If one wants to get really technical, the name of a movie or a song has a copyright...Does this mean that in the future, anyone writing or uttering a movie's or a song's name will receive cease and desist letters or be sued ???

The above is about as ludicrous as the studios are really acting.

The way the politicians bend over for the entertainment industry, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of some MPAA or RIAA lawyer trying get more money using these tactics...

155.5.2007 10:43
pdxcrash
Inactive

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

get em while there hot !
t-shirts !

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CRash --- out

165.5.2007 10:52

Originally posted by dufas:
If one wants to get really technical, the name of a movie or a song has a copyright...Does this mean that in the future, anyone writing or uttering a movie's or a song's name will receive cease and desist letters or be sued ???

The above is about as ludicrous as the studios are really acting.

The way the politicians bend over for the entertainment industry, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of some MPAA or RIAA lawyer trying get more money using these tactics...

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they been warning for years about use of movies names and content without paying for the "right" to use them in public :X

175.5.2007 11:32

ZIppyDSM
(quote]
"they been warning for years about use of movies names and content without paying for the "right" to use them in public :X"

Content...yes,

Tell your significant other that you want to see "Spiderman", and one of the MPAA gestapo overhears you or some local do-gooder turns you in for uttering the forbidden words and next thing you know is an MPAA policeman is throwing you to the ground, placing a few well chosen kicks to the groin while shouting personal insults at and about you, shackles your arms and legs, drags you across the ground to throw you into the back of his MPAA police wagon. He immediately calls the studio's lawyers and notifies you that you are liable for $250,000.00 in fines and 5 years in prison.

"You should have just killed someone, you would have got off with less.." he laughs at you as you wince from the pain in your groin and the the skin peeled of your bones from being dragged across the pavement.

"Where are you taking me ?" you ask...

The MPAA cop punches you in the gut and tells you to shut-up. "You are going to a holding area where the studio big-shots get to beat on you for a while while you wait for the studio's lawyers to take their turn... I forgot.... You have the right to remain silent, in fact, you had better remain silent.... You do not have the right to counsel, you do not have the right to contact anyone, if we are mistaken, you do not have the right of recourse, do you understand these rights as I have given them....shut-up....good..."

Welcome to the new USA, The United Studios of America........

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185.5.2007 11:44
pdxcrash
Inactive

but what if im an illegally in this country
-- would i get granted citizenship before prosecution ? --
or wait -- maybee im illegally in this country and Gay ! ya ..
then wouldnt my "domestic Partner" qualify to goto jail for me ?

195.5.2007 17:26

If you are here illegally or are gay or are a minority, the studio Hollywood types will not press charges, fire the MPAA cop for daring to even speak to you much less touch you, charge the cop with hate crimes which will double the sentences, make the cop pay you the $250,000.00. give you several copies of your chosen movie or music CD, beg for your forgiveness, find you a high paying job in movies, music, or TV.....If that doesn't work out. you'll be placed in as a political correctness consultant for some politician or Barbra Streisand or Rosey O'Donnell..

You will then rise to great pay and heights within society's elite and everyone will look up to you. You will have a bevy of buxom interns wearing stained blue dresses.. You will make millions by traveling the world giving speeches and slide shows about how bad the United Studios of America has become and how the USA should be more like France or Russia. Soon, you will be helping the world to stop global warming, promote world peace, and rid the world of blue propeller beanies. You'll be promoting the use of one sheet of toilet paper for each restroom visit. You'll push for laws stating that the general population can only eat the peelings from potatoes and drink water that has been used to wash dirty carrots. You will proclaim that all people have to be the same size, height, and weight and can only ingest 12 calories a day in order to save the earths precious resources (Unless one pays for calorie offsets, then they can eat as much as the offsets allow..) I could go on and on about how you will be admired, your expertise sought after, how nations will rise or fall at your slightest word, but the short of it, you'll have it made..

But you won't get citizenship........

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205.5.2007 18:23

Can someone add this up for me please, it doesn't compute ==> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

<@>_<0>

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216.5.2007 12:42

arnezami <-- went underground SEE traces of him still around .. Thank God for peeps like him..

226.5.2007 13:34

dufas

"content" means charatcers likenesses ,character names ,dialog and over highly protected "words" :X

236.5.2007 17:53

ZIppyDSM

"content" means characters likenesses ,character names ,dialog and over highly protected "words" :X
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It also includes the title of 'whatever' if that title is going to be used on another creation. My point was that these gestapo lawyers would try to sue someone for speaking the title out loud to someone else if they thought they could get away with it.

These are the same bottom feeders that during the sixties tried to sue churches for singing religious songs during church services, tried suing a fast food chain for singing 'Happy birthday' to it's patrons, and most recently, sued a 12 year old girl for downloading a jingle. The latest announcement by the RIAA is that they want all royalties to be filtered through their organization whether the artist works for a studio or is an independent. They want a cut of the action of course.

Back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, the movie and music industry pulled things that made the Mafia look like choir boys. They were into extortion, protection, arson, drugs, controlling careers, and even a few killings were linked to them. They are trying to get back the same power that they had before only using mostly politics and the law (that they get passed) to accomplish their goals. The general public is going to pay the freight in higher prices and even taxes.....

247.5.2007 7:54

And what about "13256278887989457651018865901401704640", is that forbidden too ? Or "1001111110010001000100000010100111010111010011100011010110111101100001000001010101101100010101100011010101101000100011000000", or "210210102110222222110210121202122110020210201210202022220222000200122122021111".
Are they crazy ? They want to BAN a number from the Net ????
Is there some maths hacker arround ? Please search PI for that sequence... It have to exist somewhere... then they'll have to prosecute who ??? GOD ?

Information per se can't be forbidden. It's use MAY be ilegal and someone using that info do DO something that's ilegal may be prosecuted but only by DOING it, not for having the knowledge.

257.5.2007 10:46

Haven't you heard of the thought police...??

In the name of freedom, politics tells one what to think or do...

The studios have the politicians by the short hairs and the politicos love it....

267.5.2007 14:42

I like it, search on google and you get.

1,870,000 for 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0. (0.23 seconds)

doh....

Another Tshirt Site : http://www.spreadshirt.com/shop.php?sid=114476

Can you copy right a number i dont think you can, hence why intel stopped calling its cpus x86 after the 486 and then started to use the name pentium after they were told it was unable to do anything about the likes of amd/cyrix stamping their cpus with what was essentially the same numbers as you cant copy right a number.

So would it extend to hex, is it a language or a mathmatical or just plan math and hence a number/number refrence?

277.5.2007 15:08
pigfister
Inactive

Originally posted by plazma247:
I like it, search on google and you get.

1,870,000 for 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0. (0.23 seconds)

doh....

just search "09 F9" and get 2,760,000 results in (0.04 seconds)

btw imo this has to be the best tShirt out there! http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=992


287.5.2007 18:54

I'd buy a shirt like that if they had them in stores.

297.5.2007 19:07




how about a more minimal design WITHOUT a big jinx logo all over your shirt?


09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
spreading the love....

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308.5.2007 0:00

Originally posted by dufas:
Haven't you heard of the thought police...??
In the name of freedom, politics tells one what to think or do...
The studios have the politicians by the short hairs and the politicos love it....
I'm not a lawyer, I don't even know any lawyer. But all this talk is not about thought. It's about money. It's about a group trying to get payed for a job that they don't do.

Even in the US you do not commit a crime if you KNOW a top-secret information. It's not the fact that you KNOW it that's illegal. It's the way one used to get that info that may be illegal.
If I say that Bush goes to the bathroom everyday at 13:43, if it happens to be true I'm sure that it would be a top-secret information, but what about it? Am I commiting a crime just because I made up something random that happens to be right ?

318.5.2007 5:32

vasco4dvd....

I guess you have never heard of 'political correctness', the food police, or the smoking Nazis just to name a few. By the way, if I had come across any top secret, national security information and the government found out that I have that knowledge, the FBI, CIA, and probably the local dog catcher would descend on me like a ton of bricks wanting to know who, what, when, and where I got such information and I would probably be convicted for having knowledge of such secrets. This would only happen if the knowledge I have was true. If it was something like Bush blew up the World Trade Center or caused the destruction of New Orleans, I would be passed off as a kook....

Actually, what a person thinks can be against the law.. In the United Studios of America there are hate crime laws. If one commits a crime against a protected type of person, building, or other property and the prosecutor can prove that one committed the crime based on hate, then whatever the penalty is doubled..[it hasn't been explained how the government handles the death penalty yet, do they execute the perpetrator twice or only half kill him once and then finish him off n the second go around...]

The point that I was, abet somewhat facetiously trying to get across is that the studios are controlling much of the politics here.

Politics IS the act of one group of people, usually in the name of freedom, telling another group how to live. In other words, I have to live your dreams instead of my own if you can garner the political power to control my life and it also works the other way around.

Most people do not react to political edicts until it is their lives that is being manipulated. When the same people that think nothing of attempting to force their way of life on others find themselves the target of a political movement, then things are different, unfair, unjust, unlawful, all the un****'s that one can think of. Charley Sheen is one example of such thinking. He could rail against some company, call for a boycott and hundreds of people lose their jobs. It didn't bother him in the least that he disrupted the lives of working people. Then he opened his mouth and angered a huge number of people, enough people that his TV show got shut down for a short time and he lost his livelihood. He immediately began crying how it was unfair, unjust, it was just not right that he should be punished for what he thinks. He should not lose his job because a bunch of people do not agree with his elitist ideas. Most people are like Charley Sheen in that they want to remake the world in their own image. Very few care how this effects other's lives in a real way. They all think that what makes them personally happy or content will make the other person feel the same way.

The above doesn't include the lazy, jealous, or others that the only way to be fair is to have everyone making the same amount of money, wear the same clothes, live in same size house regardless of skill, intelligence, or worth to society. This would be another argument................

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329.5.2007 1:06

Originally posted by dufas:
vasco4dvd....
I guess you have never heard of 'political correctness', the food

That's another one on the US karma... 'political correctness' may look just a small detail, but it's the beginning of a snow ball that rolls and rolls until something that was a untrue becames true...

Originally posted by dufas:

police, or the smoking Nazis just to name a few. By the way, if I had come across any top secret, national security information and the government found out that I have that knowledge, the FBI, CIA, and probably the local dog catcher would descend on me like a ton of bricks wanting to know who, what, when, and where I got such

That's my point. They would want to know the "who, what, when and where". It may be a top secret info, but if you got it in a way that is now against the law (it may have been published by mistake by some gov agency, or you might had read it in you tea leafs) you are not an outlaw just by KNOWing it.

Originally posted by dufas:

information and I would probably be convicted for having knowledge of such secrets. This would only happen if the knowledge I have was true. If it was something like Bush blew up the World Trade Center or caused the destruction of New Orleans, I would be passed off as a kook....

It might be against the law telling someone what you know...

Originally posted by dufas:

Actually, what a person thinks can be against the law.. In the United Studios of America there are hate crime laws. If one commits a crime against a protected type of person, building, or other property and the prosecutor can prove that one committed the crime based on hate, then whatever the penalty is doubled..[it hasn't been explained how the government handles the death penalty yet, do they execute the perpetrator twice or only half kill him once and then finish him off n the second go around...]

Yes, even outside the US there is a think like "planning to commit a crime", even if you don't do it you may be guilty if someone can prove that you did in fact was PLANNING to do it. Note the subtil difference between "planning to do" and "thinking about it".

Originally posted by dufas:

The point that I was, abet somewhat facetiously trying to get across is that the studios are controlling much of the politics here.

Point taken. I belive that to be true.

Originally posted by dufas:

Politics IS the act of one group of people, usually in the name of freedom, telling another group how to live. In other words, I have to live your dreams instead of my own if you can garner the political power to control my life and it also works the other way around.

That's not my vision of Politics.
I belive that in the end they don't care about you think. They just WANT. I don't really understand what moves someone who wishes to get much more money than what they'll ever need, or getting more and more personal power... If I had a lot of personal power I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Originally posted by dufas:

Then he opened his mouth and angered a huge number of people, enough people that his TV show got shut down for a short time and he lost his livelihood. He immediately began crying how it was unfair,

There is cause, there is efect. My 4 years old kid is starting to understand that.

Originally posted by dufas:
Most people are like Charley Sheen in that they want to remake the world in their own image. Very few care how this effects other's lives in a real way. They all think that what makes them personally happy or content will make the other person feel the same way.

Not true. Most people care so little about the others that they don't even notice that what they do might affect someone's else happyness.
There was a Sci-Fi writter I still like to read that said something like "The fact that someone wants THE power should be the primary reason for he not giving it to him. THE power should be given to someone who don't want it, in the basis that if he did well he might be excused before the end of comission". I don't agree with a lot of Heinlein ideas, but this one is fun, and might just be true.
Being human nature what it is if someone wants something then he'll want more of that samething, even more...

Originally posted by dufas:

The above doesn't include the lazy, jealous, or others that the only way to be fair is to have everyone making the same amount of money, wear the same clothes, live in same size house regardless of skill, intelligence, or worth to society. This would be another argument................
We're closing to start talking about socialism vs comunism. In the paper they look to be nice projects. The basic mistake that both do is that they assume that everyone would be happy with the same things and to same extent with the same amount of that things.

Capitalism looks to be more realistic, the problem is that we're not having that either... :-(

339.5.2007 5:05
pigfister
Inactive

@ vasco4dvd:

they want slaves pure and simple, worker drones that will keep their pockets filled up with gold.

we live in a police state in the UK and America with most of Europe going this way to, we live with limited freedom and no freedom of speech, you have only got to look at Brian Haw in the UK (Brian won Channel 4's Most Inspiring Political Figure Award 2007. N.B. decided by the public)to realise this, he is a peace campaigner who had an anti terror law drafted just for him (SOCPA) to remove him from parliament square. http://www.parliament-square.org.uk/

capitalism = few prosper most suffer

take a look at Iraq and Afghanistan and how business kills innocent ppl for oil and gas.


30/10/2000 Iraq decides to start trading from $ to Euro French bank bnp 2.3 million barrels oil a day in the oil for food.(axis of evil 1)

2001 Iran switches from $ to Euro (axis of evil 2)

7/12/2002 Korea (axis of evil 3) all trading in Euro's not just oil.

Hugo Chavez president of venezuela chairmanship of opec puts a plan on the table for all petroleum deals switches from $ to euro, this could possible collapse the $ so America went to war just for a public spanking and to steal other countries resources.
what did G Bush say about the democratically elected Hugo Chavez, maybe Venezuela will be developing weapons of mass Destruction soon so the us can attack them to for their oil reserves!

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1187165,00.html

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by43joQLYj8 Bremner Bird and Fortune Uk ch4 satirical comedy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2JCLwhwTmM&mode=related&search= Bremner Bird and Fortune Uk ch4 satirical comedy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2JCLwhwTmM Bremner Bird and Fortune Uk ch4 satirical comedy.

what is happening to the world, why are their wars?

in 1970 the us reached its peak oil 2 years later the Oil Fields as Military Objectives: A Feasibility Study was drafted to protect Americas way of life! case closed real history, killing the 3rd world to sustain our way of lives, after all America and the Uk was built on slaves so why not continue to abuse them!

an interesting lecture by Michael Ruppert:

part on starts after brief music:

1: http://http.dvlabs.com/radio4all/ug/ug95-hour1mix.mp3

2: http://http.dvlabs.com/radio4all/ug/ug95-hour2mix.mp3

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