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Pirates offer up fully cracked Vista on Internet

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 18 May 2007 19:46 User comments (60)

Pirates offer up fully cracked Vista on Internet It has been a few months since Microsoft unleashed its new Windows Vista operating system to the public, and during the time while it has sold millions of legitimate copies, crackers have been trying to get around its anti-piracy measures which Microsoft claims to have significantly improved over XP. There has been a variety of options to pirates, including workarounds to delay activation indefinitely and the OEM BIOS cracks that have floated around.
However, pirates do show that they complain even about stuff they get for free, and many find even the BIOS hacks too hard to follow. Warez group, NoPe, recently gave these lazy gits a surprise with a release of Windows Vista that works straight from installation, no serial input necessary and no activation to crack or get around.

Amusingly, it would appear that this "release" needs even less manual labor than the copies of Windows XP that are distributed with key generators and cracks and feedback in all the regular places shows some users find it works properly whatever the case, others claim it will only work as promised on a Dell machine.

Of course it remains to be seen how Microsoft will respond to this attack and all the rest since Vista'a launch when it comes to Windows Update and Vista's special features. We do not write about these attacks on Vista security to support piracy at all but there has been such media attention to Microsoft's promise to tackle piracy of its products on all fronts that it's important to report on the company's progress in doing so without keeping aspects of it as taboo.

Source:
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60 user comments

118.5.2007 21:15

hmm, interest in vista may have gone up.

every so slightly. from zero to about, oh zero point one :-)

218.5.2007 21:25

Crap, and I just installed Ubuntu... MuSt RuSh tO DoWnLoAd PiRaTeD (pointedly lowercase) vista... NOT!!!

LOL vista blows.

318.5.2007 22:23

So I guess this means Vista will be getting half a dozen more users?

That's a big increase for em if you really think about it.

418.5.2007 22:39

Ubuntu Studio kicks Vista's ass and all for FREE! So even Pirated Vista has brutal competition...that's sad.

518.5.2007 23:15
pigfister
Inactive

i want this just as much as a hole in the head. if m$ hadn't "bent over and lubed up" for the MPAA and RIAA then maybe i would have took a look, but windows me.2 i think not!

this is a very long read but well worth it, it was written by Professor Peter Gutmann from Auckland tech University.

A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection

Originally posted by Professor Gutmann:
Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order to provide content protection for so-called ďpremium contentĒ, typically HD data from Blu-ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This document analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.
then you get the EFF's take on vista: http://robin.eff.org/node/1266

Originally posted by EFF link:
Today, the PC industry needs Hollywood more than Hollywood needs the PC. Most consumers rely on traditional consumer electronics devices to view DVDs and TV content, but companies like Microsoft are betting on the converged digital home and desperately want a bigger piece of the media device market. Because of the DMCA, Microsoft has to get permission to build devices compatible with Hollywood's DRMed content. So when Hollywood demanded that Microsoft lard Vista with restrictions to access high-def DVD and digital cable content, the software giant was in a weak bargaining position.
with this in mind even if i cant get dx10 right away i think i'll pass, btw did you all realise that they are trying to get dx10 working on xp and linux?

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...linux-os-x.html
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618.5.2007 23:22

i still don't want it.

but go hackers.

719.5.2007 4:02

Quote:
Warez group, NoPe, recently gave these lazy gits a surprise with a release of Windows Vista that works straight from installation, no serial input necessary and no activation to crack or get around.
This is crazy its not even a year and its been broken to this level. Wow!!! Microsoft has to really think about the way they go on about their security if it does not take that long to break it.

819.5.2007 4:06

>>However, pirates do show that they complain even about stuff they >>get for free, and many find even the BIOS hacks too hard to follow.

lost most control of my fingers so pleaqe bear with me, it hurts like hell 2 type.

Bull

thats the kids, not the OG's. look u know how most older people like 60 got into pirating? by purchasing software in the late 80's that sucked. Error filled crap , Games were sold with one picture on the front and something else inside that didnt work worth squat - one quick example. Most were programmers just wanting 2 learn more so they could be better programers. back then computers were just getting into homes, just getting where normal people could afford them. Systems like the radio shack Color computer (coco), Commodores Amiga 2000,3000 etc.. coco multitasking in 32/64k not meg (i still have my T Shirt). I purchased a piece of software for 200 buxs, it never worked properly all i did was request it did what it said it would do. The software never did, i became very leery so i tried the software before purchasing it. We were the programmers, we wanted to support each other but the software better work correctly

Hell even NASA (Cape Kennedy Fla) couldnt even find a Disk cataloging program that would work out of the box for their motorola 6800/68000 systems (like macs, Amigas, Coco's) The one program they had that said it would catlogue drives T** hat would run for 3-5 hrs then crap out!
Now it's kids, kids, but us OG's are still around just old weak and tired. We purchase the real software but you'd still like to see if it worked correctly 4 your applications. I still run into Software full of bugs now (look at xp nice but no cigar).
Theres more but i'm tired..

919.5.2007 4:30
chutchy37
Inactive

oh dear hackers beware, microsoft might contact "the asguard" and beam them all away, vista is as much use as a chocolate fireguard. on the plus side they nearly have enough happy vista users to play a five a side kick about

1019.5.2007 6:55

Too bad its not on torrents :(

1119.5.2007 7:34
RNR1995
Inactive

LOL Even for free I still do not want it!
What kind of moron would pay over $400.00 US for an operating system anyway? Maybe this is M$ attempt to get Vista into the mainstream....
No one is buying it anyway.....

1219.5.2007 8:05

Originally posted by hikaricor:
So I guess this means Vista will be getting half a dozen more users?

That's a big increase for em if you really think about it.
Yes. Ubuntu is very nice. I've started using it for normal day-to-day email and word processing. The number of things I can't do because I need Windows are disappearing day by day.

I tried Vista Home Pro a while ago - 3 or 4 things of mine just didn't work due to driver issues. I won't install Vista even if it's free. Even if they payed ME. Because they don't allow legacy driver installation. I just can't accept that. I'm not buying all new equipment just to work with an OS.. that's going backwards.
You should never phase out a working driver. Ever. Allow the user to accept the risk if you have to.

1319.5.2007 9:39

Originally posted by RNR1995:
LOL Even for free I still do not want it!
What kind of moron would pay over $400.00 US for an operating system anyway? Maybe this is M$ attempt to get Vista into the mainstream....
No one is buying it anyway.....
Mate that prices is over priced if you know where to get it from cheaper its not bad to give it a go. I got the OEM version for $A253. Soo you can find it cheaper and its legal.

1419.5.2007 10:03

Word on Usenet is that what the article suggests is true..it only works on Dell computers. If you try it out on a different pc, you'll still have to input the serial, etc.

1519.5.2007 10:07

Nothing is hackproof.

And ubuntu pwns vista :)

1619.5.2007 10:59

@borhan9,
I respect your opinions in other areas of this board,

Quote:
Mate that prices is over priced if you know where to get it from cheaper its not bad to give it a go. I got the OEM version for $A253. Soo you can find it cheaper and its legal.

From my personal experience playing with Vista on my kids computer (since switched back to XP) It blows, Way too many hardware issues, program issues DRM issues, issues with issues, 50Ę is still overpriced for this operating shi$tem. Personally I'm going to see to penguin, Mandriva by the way.

1719.5.2007 11:31

Did they remove the WGA/big brother stuff from it?

1819.5.2007 12:47

Pirates/Hackers are their security. Why do yall think they not making a big deal about this. They want people to do this so they have a reason to do all them BS MS updates for the security patch and so on... Then they will act as if this was their plan the whole time. Ubuntu is the shiznit and Linux XP if none of yall have tried it. I rather use a command prompt then use vista. I had it installed in my work pc and took it off 20 minutes after seeing how much i didnt like it. But as for the pirated version blah i rather base jump with no shute.

1919.5.2007 12:51

Oh good work to those that have slapped M$ in the head with this though.

2019.5.2007 13:15

Quote:
Linux XP
is this real.
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2119.5.2007 13:49
Wylee
Inactive

while were on this topic...my brother in law keeps talking about his amazing linux features wich allows his windows (application boxed or w.e) to do some cool stuff...like stick to eachother and what not does anyone know how to get cool features like that on windows xp?

2219.5.2007 15:48

interesting, especially since i have a dell, but when i do get vista i will buy it.

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2319.5.2007 15:57

Quote:
@borhan9,
I respect your opinions in other areas of this board,
[quote]Mate that prices is over priced if you know where to get it from cheaper its not bad to give it a go. I got the OEM version for $A253. Soo you can find it cheaper and its legal.

From my personal experience playing with Vista on my kids computer (since switched back to XP) It blows, Way too many hardware issues, program issues DRM issues, issues with issues, 50Ę is still overpriced for this operating shi$tem. Personally I'm going to see to penguin, Mandriva by the way.[/quote]Ok mate I have to agree with you there. It does have major hardware issues at the moment. It is when you first install it very difficult to update your drivers etc... It will become stronger once everything makes the upgrade to the Vista OS. But yes like you did went back to XP is a good idea because atm XP still is better than Vista and will do everything you need for everyone in the family.

At home only my computer has Vista on it because yes it is complicated and has issues. I went for Vista only becuase i want to learn how to use it and make the transfer early to teach myself how to fix the bugs on my own etc...

Soo all in all if you just want a smooth PC experience stay with XP.

I hope that explain what my reasons are behind my choice and the other comment i had made earlier.
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2419.5.2007 16:01
Wylee
Inactive

this is kinda strange....arent ppl at miscrosoft supposed to be smarter then pirates and hackers? thats why they have jobs right? why is microsoft paying them if they cant prevent the system frum being hacked? and didnt microsoft know all these problems where guna hapen? like hardware issues? thats the dummest thing ever. If i was one of the top computer software companies wudnt i be smart enuff to ensure my product is compatible with everyone? and user frendly? M$ is so stupid.

2519.5.2007 18:34

I've had my legit copy of Vista Home Premium for over a month. It's my free upgrade for my HP computer. I have yet to install it due to concerns of system compatability. I wouldn't bother with the cracked version.

2619.5.2007 19:01

Quote:
[quote]Linux XP
is this real.[/quote]http://www.linux-xp.com/
Yeah it is real thats their site. It works similar to XP and kinda looks like it.

2719.5.2007 19:08

Originally posted by Wylee:
this is kinda strange....arent ppl at miscrosoft supposed to be smarter then pirates and hackers? thats why they have jobs right? why is microsoft paying them if they cant prevent the system frum being hacked? and didnt microsoft know all these problems where guna hapen? like hardware issues? thats the dummest thing ever. If i was one of the top computer software companies wudnt i be smart enuff to ensure my product is compatible with everyone? and user frendly? M$ is so stupid.


Yup but thats the whole point of M$. They need the end user which is us or people they consider hackers to exploit their flaws. In which they take that and so call try to patch these holes. They using the same thing they did with XP. Which is place a open version of the OS out first then release a upgraded version that suppose to fix the current issues that "hackers" exploit. Just think they went from regular XP to XP with SP2 and all those BS security patches that really never worked but its all in the strategy to make people feel safe. Personally I think M$ got something up their sleeve.
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2819.5.2007 20:09

They crack it, they patch it, they crack it, they patch it, they crack it, they patch it, they crack it, they patch it
God I'm getting dizzie this has been going on since SP 1 for Xp
when will microsux give up ?

2919.5.2007 20:35
Wylee
Inactive

0o0o0ok i understand how things work now, with the hack>patch>hack....and watever. I guess its a smart thing to do considering no ones perfect. But if u cant beat em, join em. I think these hackers shud consider a bigger pay check and instead of working against..mayb work for M$....just thought id say this since its been on my mind after reading this article. Microshyt Winblows :P

3020.5.2007 3:02

I am a Beta Tester for M$ and I recieved RC1 canidate for Vista. I just built my 64 bit machine and decided what the heck? set up for duel boot beings I am running XP PRO on my machine too. When tried to install for 64 bit it would not let me run certain things because the drivers were not M$ approved. So i installed the 32 bit app and it run fine. Nice and pretty. UNTIL I tried to use M$ software to go online (MSN) then I got an error message that said "there is a problem and it will be fixed on the next update". WELL HELL!!! they can not even run there own software on there own operating system. Well never the less I deleated VISTA off my system . If I can't go online then it was worthless to me. HOWEVER every time I turn on my computer it can't find VISTA and asked me if I want to go to an earlier windows operating system. I have to highlight the message and click enter and it brings me to XP. Does anyone know how to get rid of this in the boot manager and start my computer directly to XP?

3120.5.2007 4:20

Re-format the partition that Vista was installed on. Unless you have files currently on that which you need to back up.

3220.5.2007 4:31
pigfister
Inactive

Vista asks "what's a legacy driver"






.

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3320.5.2007 13:31

That BSOD data is funny

3420.5.2007 18:18

Originally posted by spydah:
Re-format the partition that Vista was installed on. Unless you have files currently on that which you need to back up.
You also have to set the partition with XP as "active" otherwise you will get error messges while booting up.

3520.5.2007 18:26

From what I have seen anyone who can do copy paste should not have any problems in using the BIOS crack. Apparently the procedure is very well explained in an easy to follow text file.

3620.5.2007 20:23
Viperz_7
Inactive

Originally posted by Wylee:
this is kinda strange....arent ppl at miscrosoft supposed to be smarter than pirates and hackers? thats why they have jobs right? why is microsoft paying them if they cant prevent the system frum being hacked? and didnt microsoft know all these problems where guna hapen? like hardware issues? thats the dummest thing ever. If i was one of the top computer software companies wudnt i be smart enuff to ensure my product is compatible with everyone? and user frendly? M$ is so stupid.
Firstly, there are so many people on this forum that I'd like to reply to my head is spinning just thinking about it. Iím not going to spend hours ranting and raving about different things that most of you will probably ignore anyway, so Iíll just point out a few.
Concerning the post above, itís not Microsoftís job to ensure hardware compatibility. They are for the most part, a software manufacturer. In other words, they make the software that runs on the computer. Itís up to the OEM (or Original Equipment Manufacturer for those that donít know), to come up with drivers that will ensure compatibility with the chosen operating systems. As for Microsoft being smart enough to know people were going to hack their software, of course they know itís going to happen, given enough people with too much time on their hands anything can be hacked. Just take a quick look around you, Microsoft isnít the only one being hacked, theyíre just the biggest so everyone has issues with them and rants continue to propigate because they are number one. If the situations were reversed it would be Apple or Linux software that would be getting the bum rap, not Microsoft.
For the guy that Beta Tested RC1 and is b*tching that some of his hardware wouldnít work, are you kidding me?? Do you even know what the term BETA TESTER means? And if you have to ask how to remove the message youíre seeing, perhaps you should not beta test anymore software, well, operating systems anyway. (They do tell you to install it on a secondary machine because problems may arise).
For the guy thatís not interested in updating his hardware to meet Vistaís requirements, then staying with XP is the right choice for you. Vista is designed for the future; faster more demanding hardware is required. In fact, if you look back the same thing happened when Windows XP was released and everyone b*tched because they couldnít use their parallel port printers anymore, which by the way, most decent OEMís found a way around this. Those that couldnít fade and I donít remember hearing anything else about it since.
For the guy complaining about the price of Vista, sure go pay the full retail of the full Ultimate install (which comes with both 32 and 64 bit) and youíll pay around $400 at most places here in the US, but if youíre into saving money you could look around and find the full version upgrade for around $260 and the OEM full install for less than $180. But then again you probably just pay full price when you buy your Dell computer and donít worry about the OS by itself like real computer builders do. I am currently running two computers (both home built) with Windows Vista Ultimate and didnít pay for either copy and theyíre both fully legal. Iíve even got one setup in my living room as my PVR and it works better then my TiVo.
To all those who say they donít like Vista and canít find their way around, all I can say is you probably didnít give it much of a chance. When I was first in the Beta, I hated the look and feel of it. In fact, I hated XP when it first came out as well. I donít like software that tries to do everything for you, but as Iíve learned the ins and outs and figured out how to change things to my liking Iíve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME. Now you fan boys of OS X and Linux can grope and complain all you want, youíre going to do it anyway, Vista is an awesome OS for NEW hardware and I for one like to update my machine every year. Iím not the type to sit back and wait till my hardware dies from old age before replacing it, I like being on the front of new technology and the only way you can stay there is with Vista and thereís just no other way around it.
One final word concerning the hacking of software and hardware, for the most part, true hackers do what they do for the sport of it. Most groups and some single players like the challenge of taking what someone else has done and seeing what they can do with it. Especially when someone says you canít do it with mine. If any of you are aware of usenet or IRC youíll know what Iím referring to. Most of the groups listed in this area encourage the purchase of videos and programs that you use, thatís how they get the files before they crack them. Itís a big deal in the underworld to release a zero-day product and if you donít believe me, just check this article concerning the hacking of a Mac OS zero-day patch that earned someone a $12,000 prize ZDnet. Most of the people around that complain a hack is too hard to replicate are just whiny kids looking for a free ride because mom or dad wonít buy them something they want now and canít live without. Theyíre too lazy to earn it and too lazy to follow simple instructions, they just want someone to do it for them. I know this from firsthand experience, Iíve had way too many people ask me for help, when in fact what they really wanted was for me to just do it for them.
Finally to those that are going to say Iím just a Microsoft plant or some lame crap, I assure you I am in no way affiliated with the company other than a user of their technology (software and hardware), and will continue to be far into the future. I have been around computers for many, many years and donít see any change in that anytime soon. I have Beta tested multiple OSís across many platforms, as well as numerous games and hardware for various manufacturers. Just my two cents worth.. take it or leave it.
Viperz

3720.5.2007 21:10

Quote:
Originally posted by Wylee:
this is kinda strange....arent ppl at miscrosoft supposed to be smarter than pirates and hackers? thats why they have jobs right? why is microsoft paying them if they cant prevent the system frum being hacked? and didnt microsoft know all these problems where guna hapen? like hardware issues? thats the dummest thing ever. If i was one of the top computer software companies wudnt i be smart enuff to ensure my product is compatible with everyone? and user frendly? M$ is so stupid.
Firstly, there are so many people on this forum that I'd like to reply to my head is spinning just thinking about it. Iím not going to spend hours ranting and raving about different things that most of you will probably ignore anyway, so Iíll just point out a few.
Concerning the post above, itís not Microsoftís job to ensure hardware compatibility. They are for the most part, a software manufacturer. In other words, they make the software that runs on the computer. Itís up to the OEM (or Original Equipment Manufacturer for those that donít know), to come up with drivers that will ensure compatibility with the chosen operating systems. As for Microsoft being smart enough to know people were going to hack their software, of course they know itís going to happen, given enough people with too much time on their hands anything can be hacked. Just take a quick look around you, Microsoft isnít the only one being hacked, theyíre just the biggest so everyone has issues with them and rants continue to propigate because they are number one. If the situations were reversed it would be Apple or Linux software that would be getting the bum rap, not Microsoft.
For the guy that Beta Tested RC1 and is b*tching that some of his hardware wouldnít work, are you kidding me?? Do you even know what the term BETA TESTER means? And if you have to ask how to remove the message youíre seeing, perhaps you should not beta test anymore software, well, operating systems anyway. (They do tell you to install it on a secondary machine because problems may arise).
For the guy thatís not interested in updating his hardware to meet Vistaís requirements, then staying with XP is the right choice for you. Vista is designed for the future; faster more demanding hardware is required. In fact, if you look back the same thing happened when Windows XP was released and everyone b*tched because they couldnít use their parallel port printers anymore, which by the way, most decent OEMís found a way around this. Those that couldnít fade and I donít remember hearing anything else about it since.
For the guy complaining about the price of Vista, sure go pay the full retail of the full Ultimate install (which comes with both 32 and 64 bit) and youíll pay around $400 at most places here in the US, but if youíre into saving money you could look around and find the full version upgrade for around $260 and the OEM full install for less than $180. But then again you probably just pay full price when you buy your Dell computer and donít worry about the OS by itself like real computer builders do. I am currently running two computers (both home built) with Windows Vista Ultimate and didnít pay for either copy and theyíre both fully legal. Iíve even got one setup in my living room as my PVR and it works better then my TiVo.
To all those who say they donít like Vista and canít find their way around, all I can say is you probably didnít give it much of a chance. When I was first in the Beta, I hated the look and feel of it. In fact, I hated XP when it first came out as well. I donít like software that tries to do everything for you, but as Iíve learned the ins and outs and figured out how to change things to my liking Iíve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME. Now you fan boys of OS X and Linux can grope and complain all you want, youíre going to do it anyway, Vista is an awesome OS for NEW hardware and I for one like to update my machine every year. Iím not the type to sit back and wait till my hardware dies from old age before replacing it, I like being on the front of new technology and the only way you can stay there is with Vista and thereís just no other way around it.
One final word concerning the hacking of software and hardware, for the most part, true hackers do what they do for the sport of it. Most groups and some single players like the challenge of taking what someone else has done and seeing what they can do with it. Especially when someone says you canít do it with mine. If any of you are aware of usenet or IRC youíll know what Iím referring to. Most of the groups listed in this area encourage the purchase of videos and programs that you use, thatís how they get the files before they crack them. Itís a big deal in the underworld to release a zero-day product and if you donít believe me, just check this article concerning the hacking of a Mac OS zero-day patch that earned someone a $12,000 prize ZDnet. Most of the people around that complain a hack is too hard to replicate are just whiny kids looking for a free ride because mom or dad wonít buy them something they want now and canít live without. Theyíre too lazy to earn it and too lazy to follow simple instructions, they just want someone to do it for them. I know this from firsthand experience, Iíve had way too many people ask me for help, when in fact what they really wanted was for me to just do it for them.
Finally to those that are going to say Iím just a Microsoft plant or some lame crap, I assure you I am in no way affiliated with the company other than a user of their technology (software and hardware), and will continue to be far into the future. I have been around computers for many, many years and donít see any change in that anytime soon. I have Beta tested multiple OSís across many platforms, as well as numerous games and hardware for various manufacturers. Just my two cents worth.. take it or leave it.
Viperz

I like you you have all the right thoughts in your post way too go.

I would like too get vista because I like the look of it but should I wait till it is more compatible with everything maybe by the end of the year.

I also know if you go out and buy a computer you will get vista now was that a dumb or smart move on manufacturer.

I Got my computer about October last year so I get xp home And I still rather have the Pro or media center edition.

But oh well you get what you get.

Also I just added Ubuntu so now I have 2 OS's on this computer and I like that messing around with that Linux is fun.

3821.5.2007 1:03
pigfister
Inactive

Originally posted by Viperz_7:
Iíve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME.
what a load of spin and piffle, all i saw was WINDOWS ME, omg, but you are right about the comparison between me and vista, the worst bloated gui os ever created!
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3921.5.2007 18:16

I downloaded this and tried it-it works as advertised.

4021.5.2007 18:47

It is if it is a game to crack Microsoft's products.

4121.5.2007 20:41

i never complained about xp. i know new OSes have bugs. i complain about vista, and their DRM, and their uac, and yea, i complain about the lack of program compatibility which will or won't be fixed sometime in the future. but mostly about DRM, and uac.

4221.5.2007 20:55

Quote:
Originally posted by Viperz_7:Iíve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME.
I can understand how Vista you can like. I do like it as and OS its not the best yet but has potential.

As for ME mate were you born yesterday ME was the worst thing Microsoft has ever brought out ever. If you ever invested in that OS you should use that OS as a Coaster.

4322.5.2007 21:02

What hardware upgrade are people talking about?

Recently I had to switch hard disks betwen 2 Athlon XP 2400+ systems running at 2.0 ghz. . One with 1 gb ram & 120 gb drive, the other with 512mb ram & 160 gb drive. BTW both with only the standard via-s3 on board video only. The system with 1 gb system had trial version Vista business installed on it.

After switching Vista continued to run, at a comparable speed of XP. Good enough for the ned user for what he is doing with it, browse, email & Skype phone. No complaints whatsoever.

4422.5.2007 22:04

Originally posted by pmshah:
What hardware upgrade are people talking about?

Recently I had to switch hard disks betwen 2 Athlon XP 2400+ systems running at 2.0 ghz. . One with 1 gb ram & 120 gb drive, the other with 512mb ram & 160 gb drive. BTW both with only the standard via-s3 on board video only. The system with 1 gb system had trial version Vista business installed on it.

After switching Vista continued to run, at a comparable speed of XP. Good enough for the ned user for what he is doing with it, browse, email & Skype phone. No complaints whatsoever.

----------------------------

your probably running Vista 32bit HOME ....

4522.5.2007 22:17

My refurbished ACER laptop came with VISTA on it and I reformatted the hdd and put XP Home on it. I got tired of VISTA constantly needing my permission to do every single thing. And when I couldnt do something because it needed administrators rights (and I am the administrator..or so I thought) I decided that was the last straw. But how do I make the C partition (that I used to put my XP Home OS on) as Active?
Also on my other ACER laptop (this one had Media Center Edition OS on it)I put XP Home on it also, but when I went to set it up for wireless again, there was no modem detected. And I went into my Device Manager and behold.....there was no modem even listed in the Devices. And I couldnt find the modem on my Media Center OS Backup CD either. I had to reinstall Media Center Edition again in order to have the modem so I could use my wireless router to dial out with. I dont understand why I couldnt find the modem on the Media Center backup Cd (when I tried to use it to put the modem on with my XP OS so I could use my wireless setup, but yet, when I reinstall Media Center, there the modem is and then I can use wireless again. I'm using a router that works for Dialup (the only one in the world so far its called WiFlyer). Can I copy the modem from the Media install (say onto a usb flash drive) and install it after I reformat and install XP home? Or will I have to also get drivers and if I need the drivers, where do I get them from exactly?

4623.5.2007 0:07

Quote:
Originally posted by pmshah:
What hardware upgrade are people talking about?

Recently I had to switch hard disks betwen 2 Athlon XP 2400+ systems running at 2.0 ghz. . One with 1 gb ram & 120 gb drive, the other with 512mb ram & 160 gb drive. BTW both with only the standard via-s3 on board video only. The system with 1 gb system had trial version Vista business installed on it.

After switching Vista continued to run, at a comparable speed of XP. Good enough for the ned user for what he is doing with it, browse, email & Skype phone. No complaints whatsoever.

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your probably running Vista 32bit HOME ....
No. It was running 32 bit Vista Business version.

4723.5.2007 0:34
pigfister
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whats bad about vista well:

No end in sight for Vista's Long Goodbye

Originally posted by TheRegister:
Seven weeks ago, when we first reported Vista was causing many machines to stall indefinitely while deleting, copying and moving files, we were sure the problem was caused by a bug that would be fixed relatively quickly. After all, Vista is Microsoft's flagship product. It's also an operating system. And everyone knows deleting, copying and moving files are among the most basic tasks any operating system can set out to do.

Now we don't know what to think. Vista's Long Goodbye, as we've come to call this bizarre phenomenon, continues unabated. No amount of diagnosing by the untold number of confounded sysadmins sheds any light on the problem's cause, and Microsoft has yet to acknowledge its full extent.

"I just wanted to say...that I have tried everything...in this section..till yesterday (May 13 2007) and none of it worked," a user who goes by the name SR_1976 posted today in a Microsoft TechNet forum discussing the glitch. "I have tried my best to work with Vista ....did not work...so, gone back to XP...and all my problems are gone. Vista was more stable than XP (for me...)and does have some good features...but enough is enough.." (The discussion, by the way, is the longest TechNet thread we've ever seen.)

Another posting made today relates the experience of a certain groden, who spent four hours trying to copy 3.8GB of data off a Windows 2003 server using a Sony Vaio with 2GB of RAM. It took him a couple of minutes to copy the same files using a similar set up that was running XP.

To recap, an untold number of Vista users are unable to delete, copy and move files without interminable waits, in which the OS appears to be calculating the time the job will take. While most vexing for people working with files on a remote server, the glitch is also present when working with local files. Microsoft issued a hotfix, but it appears it was designed to repair a problem other than the one at hand. Or at least we hope, because it sure hasn't fixed Vista's Long Goodbye.

We asked Microsoft for an interview with a product manager who could shed some light on the difficulty that's vexing so many of the company's most important customers. What we got was an emailed statement that gave no new information. It read:

Finding the root cause of issues like this and identifying a solution is of the utmost priority for Microsoft. That said, crafting a fix and fully testing it - to be sure we are not introducing other problems - takes time. This is why Microsoft makes hot fixes available, and while we understand that hot fixes are not a perfect solution, they can help people get by while we perfect the long term solution. We will keep you updated with specific plans to this issue as soon as we have confirmation.

Microsoft's inability to fix a defect in such a basic feature has led to its share of conspiracy theories that would be quickly dismissed as kooky, were it not for the company's steadfast refusal to provide any details about what's causing the problem. The top contender: The inability to copy files without stalling isn't a bug at all, but rather the result of a digital rights management feature designed to protect Hollywood (even if the rest of us have to cuss our way through four hours deleting a few gigs worth of crap).

To prove the point, one user found the problem went away when he ran an XP Pro Virtual Machine that was running on top of Vista. Mysteriously, it took him about eight seconds to delete the 23GB of files he wanted to get rid of. Using Vista on the same machine took him more than 25 minutes.
bloated gui controlled by the media companies, the pirates can keep Windows ME.2.
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4823.5.2007 7:23

pigfister
the DRM is so screwed up on vister you can copy some protected music CDs without any issue because the DRM chain is broken and it dose not know what to protect.

From what I have seen of "ME2" it needs drivers and some compatibility patches,32bit home minus the bells and whistles of the real vista will run fine on comps older than a year but for the real vista you need a newer,basically you need a basic newer game rig to handle vister.

XP was much of a nightmare as well in the first 2 years so vista will improve the question is when will it stop becoming ME2.

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4923.5.2007 8:59
hughjars
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Originally posted by bstringer:
I've had my legit copy of Vista Home Premium for over a month. It's my free upgrade for my HP computer. I have yet to install it due to concerns of system compatability.
- That's exactly where I am right now, it's still cling-wrapped and I'll not be looking near it until I start to see a lot more comment about how the various 'issues' are resolved & it's working well.

S'funny a lot of this kind of talk was around 4yrs ago with XP when I started with that & I didnt ever have a serious problem with XP so I've no 'reflex' anti-Vista attitude but I do hear of lots of people going back to XP after things stopped working and they had severe compatability problems.

Typical DRM sh*te at work tho and Vista is another example of where the cr@p is creating problems in and of itself.

Originally posted by bstringer:
I wouldn't bother with the cracked version.
- Yeah, too right.
It's bad enough when the official version is going to give you a stack of headaches!

5023.5.2007 9:16
pigfister
Inactive

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
XP was much of a nightmare as well in the first 2 years so vista will improve the question is when will it stop becoming ME2.
totally agree with you post zippy dude but what i see is pc world (uk) selling incompatible systems saying that they work 100% duping the unknowing public into beta testers for m$ which sucks big time, no wonder ppl think computing is difficult with a.hole retailers like that. Until m$ finally get 90% hardware/software compatibility it should never have been released on the "not so pc literate" general public!

I put vista on my xps m1710 which, on the m$ site, it said that my system was 100% compatible with all versions but after the install i found that aero was not compatible with my system so i was a little frustrated as you can imagine, ultimate without the wow factor is pathetic but you can send faxes and use iso's!
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5123.5.2007 9:30

Quote:
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
XP was much of a nightmare as well in the first 2 years so vista will improve the question is when will it stop becoming ME2.
totally agree with you post zippy dude but what i see is pc world (uk) selling incompatible systems duping the unknowing public into beta testers and until they finally get 90% hardware/software compatibility it should never have been released on the "not so pc literate" general public! I put vista on my xps m1710 which, on the m$ site, it said that my system was 100% compatible but after the install i found that aero was not compatible with my system so i was a little frustrated as you can imagine.

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Right now it deserves the ME2 moniker it might evolve into something better ,but since its driver system is meek and 32bit is not as great as XP was at the time its not really worth fooling with just yet.

5223.5.2007 11:46

Pissy gamer rant

If Halo 3 was on vista I would "upgrade and buy the lube" I hate consoles controls 100X ><

/Pissy gamer rant

5323.5.2007 12:00
pigfister
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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
Pissy gamer rant

If Halo 3 was on vista I would "upgrade and buy the lube" I hate consoles controls 100X ><

/Pissy gamer rant
did you know they are working on dx10 on xp atm?

Hacked DX10 for XP appears

Quote:
A young San-Diego based hacker claims he has made a version of DirectX 10 that allows the use of DirectX 10 games on platforms other than Microsoft Vista.
or from these guys!

Project aims to bring DX10 gaming to XP, Linux, OS X
Quote:
Last Wednesday, a company called Falling Leaf Systems announced the availability of an alpha of something called the Alky Project. The Alky Project has a lofty goal: to liberate DirectX 10 gaming from the confines of Vista and bring it first to Windows XP, and then to Linux and OS X. The project plans to do this by building a converter that can take in a DX10 game executable and spit out a modified version that can be run on a (non-Vista) target OS. The target OS must be x86-based, which rules out the PPC version of OS X, since the converter doesn't do any binary translation.

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5423.5.2007 12:03

Quote:
As for ME mate were you born yesterday ME was the worst thing Microsoft has ever brought out ever.

5523.5.2007 12:07

pigfister

from my understanding (or lack there of) DX 10 is still in the "beta" stages while DX "9.1/2" is done for both XP and vista and the 360.

When DX 10 fully rolls out it wont be "workable" on DX9 hardware.

That said I hope they do and I hope MS cant stop them.

5623.5.2007 14:18

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
pigfister

from my understanding (or lack there of) DX 10 is still in the "beta" stages while DX "9.1/2" is done for both XP and vista and the 360.

When DX 10 fully rolls out it wont be "workable" on DX9 hardware.

That said I hope they do and I hope MS cant stop them.
If this is the case im not going to update DX9 to 10 until i get a replacement for my integrated graphic card. :)

Thanxs for the heads up.

5723.5.2007 17:46

Quote:
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
pigfister

from my understanding (or lack there of) DX 10 is still in the "beta" stages while DX "9.1/2" is done for both XP and vista and the 360.

When DX 10 fully rolls out it wont be "workable" on DX9 hardware.

That said I hope they do and I hope MS cant stop them.
If this is the case im not going to update DX9 to 10 until i get a replacement for my integrated graphic card. :)

Thanxs for the heads up.

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http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showth...&highlight=DX10
http://letskilldave.com/archive/2006/10/....-No_2E00_.aspx


Bascily the DX on vista is beta DX 10 or at least a simi complete DX10 they had to patch vista for DX9 support thus you get DX9.ol and rumors of DX 10 for XP.

Its complete BS they should have made DX10 XP ready from the start...

5823.9.2007 11:45

yeah vista is not that much different than xp other than a couple flashy window borders and nicer icons thats it no huge improvement in fact if you ask me it seems slower takes more memory more hard drive space its shyt if you ask me.. well im actually running and have been for like 6 months now.. now its not that bad really i have all my drivers working. no problems no virus nothing but its the same thing as xp if you know what your doing you dont need all this fancy stuff like windows firewall .. avast and adaware are all you need little bit of memory on xp. its just to many background processes running on vista get rid of it all. then again games are focusing on only vista hmm.. get a nice video card if your going to use it youll need it.

5923.9.2007 11:52

Originally posted by blazinbea:
yeah vista is not that much different than xp other than a couple flashy window borders and nicer icons thats it no huge improvement in fact if you ask me it seems slower takes more memory more hard drive space its shyt if you ask me.. well im actually running and have been for like 6 months now.. now its not that bad really i have all my drivers working. no problems no virus nothing but its the same thing as xp if you know what your doing you dont need all this fancy stuff like windows firewall .. avast and adaware are all you need little bit of memory on xp. its just to many background processes running on vista get rid of it all. then again games are focusing on only vista hmm.. get a nice video card if your going to use it youll need it.
the sad thing is vista is a mess and MS wants to bing out a new OS in a couple years...

6023.9.2007 17:54

Not just sad but greedy. People should spread the word like wildfire about Vistas long goodbye. It took me over half an hour to delete the files in my recycle bin one time not to mention that copying/deleting is now a hit and miss prospect depending on whether I'll reach age 80 before it completes its task. No one should encourage their new OS until they have Vista turned out to be a decent one like XP turned out to be.

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