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YouTube takes on Pentagon

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 18 May 2007 19:20 User comments (39)

YouTube takes on Pentagon The creators of the infamous video sharing website, YouTube.com, have challenged the Pentagon and the U.S. Military over the assertion that soldiers overseas were using too much bandwidth on the military's network by watching online videos. The Defense Department recently imposed a ban on several websites including YouTube, MySpace, Metacafe, Studip Videos, IFilm, MTV and Photobucket.
"They said it might be a bandwidth issue, but they created the Internet, so I don't know what the problem is," laughed YouTube Chief Executive Chad Hurley, saying that the company is trying to work with the Pentagon to reverse its course or at least partially lift the ban which affects many soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We'd like to explore what's at issue here and talk about what we can do to sort out what's the issue here," YouTube spokeswoman Julie Supan said. Company officials were confused mostly because the block comes just days after the Military launched its own channel on YouTube which it describes as a "boots-on-the-ground" perspective of scenes of combat.

YouTube has always removed videos that contain footage of extreme violence which have included attacks on U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians. To make this whole situation even more interesting, a new policy implemented in Iraq by the government aims to block news photographers and camera operators from filming bombing scenes, which raises many questions about censorship and the people's right to know what's really going on on the ground.

Acknowledging the new policy change in Iraq, Hurley admits that content showing the regular devastating attacks in Iraq captured by civilians may soon be the only true glimpse into the situation and could perhaps shake YouTube's policies. "We want to protect the (YouTube) community from being exposed to something violent, but at the same time, we want to educate people on what's happening around the world," Hurley said. "It's hard for us."

Chief Technology Officer Steve Chen added: "It does (tick) a lot of people off that we take this video down, but it also (ticks) a lot of people off that these videos stay up."

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118.5.2007 20:42

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"It does (tick) a lot of people off that we take this video down, but it also (ticks) a lot of people off that these videos stay up."
Pretty much sums it up.

However.

Are we to honestly believe that that is the REAL reason why they aren't letting troops use those sites? Hhhmmm, inquiring minds would definitely like to know.
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218.5.2007 23:25
pigfister
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they just don't want any films showing soldiers killing innocent ppl so America can control the pictures you see and feed you false propaganda, like they are winning the war or the numerous PERMANENT US military bases they are constructing in Iraq, or the oil.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c4_1176720508&p=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnaSN5Twq8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_16PdWnBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZRyNd6ru8

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_u...v%3DxnyjH5wusqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWiLshk6fSU

great light comedy about Iraq by Bremner, Bird and fortune.:

Between Iraq and a Hard Place from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by43joQLYj8

Beyond Iraq and a Hard Place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2JCLwhwTmM

BENEATH IRAQ AND A HARD PLACE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipa8DuKyN6I

maybe this is what they actually want to stop, FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

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319.5.2007 2:12

There getting killed for bush (thats ok TO HIM).but bush won't let them surf the internet,what a fuck.

419.5.2007 3:04

Although I hate to agree with anyone telling me I can't do something, I have to agree with this.

I was in charge of a com center in that region for 1 year, can't say base or time frame, sorry. We supplied our camp and four others using only 2MBfor Internet. We supported more than 18,000 people. Most of you are reading this using probably anywhere from 1.5 - 8 Mb just for your house! Try to imagine the dial-up days, and I don't mean 56k try 33.6. Just simply typing Google into your web browser and wait at least 5 seconds for it to come up. Internet time for MWR use is limited. Most soldiers wait in line for well over an hour just to get 30 min on the Internet. Trying to just check your mail for basic communication, you might only get to see a couple. It is in the Majorities best interest to not allow any streaming Audio or video.

They are only limiting the DOD network.

What they are not saying is that a majority of military installations in the region also have an independent Internet provider. For a nominal fee soldier can Use a much faster satellite service. You can go to any site you want at these places. Believe me, The troops that are going MySpace and YouTube are probably already using these places anyway. That's the only way you can enjoy these sited.

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519.5.2007 3:38
pigfister
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bandwidth is an issue but the blanket shut down in communications allowed stretches much further.
This is a quote from Lt Col Christopher Garver, US Army and sheds a little light on why its blocked! not about bandwidth but propaganda and hiding the truth. LINK

Originally posted by Lt Col Garver:
The cyberspace battle space was not one that we were particularly operating well in. This was one of the first public steps into that cyberspace

Blanket silence on what is going on:
Soldiers Can't Blog Without Approval

Originally posted by link:
"Wired.com has obtained a copy of updated US Army rules (pdf) that force soldiers to stop posting to blogs or sending personal e-mail messages without first clearing the content with a superior officer. Previous editions of the rules asked Army personnel to "consult with their immediate supervisor" before posting a document "that might contain sensitive and/or critical information in a public forum." The new version, in contrast, requires "an OPSEC review prior to publishing" anything — from "web log (blog) postings" to comments on internet message boards, from resumes to letters home.

Its not just video sites that soldiers are blocked from its releasing any material to cover up the atrocities.
Army cocks up PDF censorship
Originally posted by link:
TOP secret training procedures and names of US soldiers in Iraq, which the secret services thought it had censored, have been made public in a technology cock-up. We wrote this a few days ago, but maybe you missed it, so here we go again.

According to Associated Press, the US military command in Baghdad produced a Portable Document Format report which cleared American soldiers of killing of an Italian agent in Baghdad as he shielded a journalist hostage escaping from head-hunting insurgents. The report was then posted on the Internet for all to see.

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619.5.2007 3:51

The thing that gets to me is that they are serving their country and they cant even have a relaxing time to sit and watch a bit of TV. They don't get cable or anything why cant they get YouTube which is not even proper TV now. Give me a break. Let the guys watch the tube.

719.5.2007 7:59

Um...you do know it's Pentagon and NOT Pantagon.

819.5.2007 8:39
pigfister
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what they want to cover up is news reports like: Lt Cdr Matthew Diaz getting out.

he has spilled the beans on Guantanamo Bay detainees names, a vast majority of which were extradited to the us, using the illegal kidnapping procedure called Extraordinary Rendition or Torture by Proxy

the bbc story is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6671985.stm

see its ok for the us to restock nuclear weapons & to kill and torture innocent ppl but no one else is allowed to!

this is the sort of stories this blanket silence hops to hide but i doubt it will as ppl's emotions and morality will always get in the way of FREEDOM of SPEECH gag orders!

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919.5.2007 8:58

Most of you except jcur31, doesn't have a clue to what's going on, if you've never been in the military, you don't know.

1019.5.2007 10:07

Originally posted by borhan9:
The thing that gets to me is that they are serving their country and they cant even have a relaxing time to sit and watch a bit of TV. They don't get cable or anything why cant they get YouTube which is not even proper TV now. Give me a break. Let the guys watch the tube.
There are plenty of opportunities to relax. There are TV's in every chow hall, which are closed only about 5 hours during every 24 for cleaning. There are tents and buildings designed for watching movies and events along with pool tables and things of that nature. There are phone centers for soldiers to call home. There are weight rooms and exercise facilities setup along with makeshift basketball courts and volleyball nets.

Believe me, once a soldier gets a bout of free time, no matter what there mission is, he/she will hardly be sitting in a tent somewhere saying, "I'm Board."

Many wars were fought way before YouTube and all the other things mentioned, and I hardly doubt that a soldier, out of harms way for any period of time, will tell you they are board.

Like I said before, it sucks to have to ban streaming audio and video, but its necessary. Contrary to popular belief, the Internet is not set up in the region for the purpose of soldiers entertainment. It's a mission essential way for the military to communicate, Yahoo mail, and all other soldier entertainment purposes is just a lucky bi-product.

1119.5.2007 10:19

ok so giving your life for the country gives you nazi net? WTF...block the upload stream to the sites or limit their time on the net dont go and block half the net because you are unhappy with it....oy vay...

1219.5.2007 10:21

My salute goes to you, jcur31, and all the military people that's been there.

1319.5.2007 10:45

One of the classic first steps that an abuser takes to gain control of a person is to isolate them...

1419.5.2007 10:55

jcur31
dose this effect bases as well?
Bases in more modern countries like england and gremany shouldn't have such issues, Iraq ya I can see the suckage there for data movement.

I would like to see a bit more balance in it I mean disabling streams removes the ability for them to cam chat with home and such.

1519.5.2007 11:22

Soldiers haven't able to cam chat since late 2003. This only applies to the Iraqi theatre and probably afghanistan. These are make shift data centers turned semi-permanent there are limited transmission capabilities and the data stream is shared with voice, secure, non-secure Internet, video conferencing among other things.

1619.5.2007 11:28

Originally posted by jcur31:
Soldiers haven't able to cam chat since late 2003. This only applies to the Iraqi theatre and probably afghanistan. These are make shift data centers turned semi-permanent there are limited transmission capabilities and the data stream is shared with voice, secure, non-secure Internet, video conferencing among other things.
pfff...I should have none it was sensationalist reporting...since I have not heard about it from a few army friends,thos places need bandwidth for work not play.

1719.5.2007 14:44

Well, this may be the post that I write that ticks ALOT of you off. So in advance let me say we are talking about the freedom of speech, and this may or may not be my opinon. Some of the things I will say I agree with and some are just things to stir the pot.
First off. When you join the military, you sign over your life. For those that have I have the deepest respect. I wish I could have joined but I couldn't pass medical. When you sign over your life, or work for the military, it's exactly that. They own you. The corps are your parents. You see what they want you to see. Is it wrong...... yes..but wait........is there anouther side?
Wether one believes in the war or not it is a military persons duty to do what ever his CO tells him.
Also we as citizens, as the majority of us think the war may be wrong, we should support or troops 100 F'N percent. These men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday. I don't care if the war is wrong or right, because when your house floods and you have to be scooped off your roof, it's the military that gets you off that roof. When you call the police or firemen, some of those personal are active military, and or trained by the military. So don't you dare get mad at the military. Support them to your fullest ability.
Which leeds to anouther point.........
The true reason to cuttin youtube may never be known. But what I do know is that America as a whole has no problem complaining about our leader and our military. All those rants and raves get transfered to youtube. I can't think of the last nice thing I've heard about Iraq or any othe issues at hand, but I can remember the negative. The AP released a news report about a prisoner in Guatanamo. Saying he was tortured. That was the end of it. No explaination no nothing. Well, some people did a little research about this perticular prisoner. 3 months prior to this AP release the Red Cross interviewed him, he said he was being tortured, so the red cross asked him how, He was given a ball, with not enough, air in it to have rec time. His cell window was to small. TV time was to short and the TV did not have enough chanels. Ya thats torture. But the AP ra with the torture story nothing else.
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarly portray the positive things. I believe their are just as much positive things in Iraq as there are negative.
Youtube is just anouther for of this media. It will always be filled with negativity about our troops, our leader, and their progress. After the troops see all this negativity, what do you think will happen to their mental stability?? It's very possible they may start to question why they are there, why they joined the military, or why they have been there the whole time and America doesn't support them?
Look people I'm not saying its right or wrong for the military to take away youtube. Who know maybe it really is a bandwidth issue maybe jcur31 is right? But with all the negativity in the media I believe that also has something to do about it. Our president may be about as smart as a box of rocks, but don't you dare say our military isn't doing a good enough job. Those men and women want to come home just as bad as we want them home. you ca garentee thay are trying their hardest to get rid of the insurgents, just as the insurgents are trying to get rid of our military.
Is it wrong to take away youtube.......who knows
Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?.........F YES
Is this rant and rave to long and bounce of topic?..........Probly guess we'll find out what the mods think.
sorry so long and scattered
LD

1819.5.2007 14:55

Originally posted by lawndog:
Well, this may be the post that I write that ticks ALOT of you off. So in advance let me say we are talking about the freedom of speech, and this may or may not be my opinon. Some of the things I will say I agree with and some are just things to stir the pot.
First off. When you join the military, you sign over your life. For those that have I have the deepest respect. I wish I could have joined but I couldn't pass medical. When you sign over your life, or work for the military, it's exactly that. They own you. The corps are your parents. You see what they want you to see. Is it wrong...... yes..but wait........is there anouther side?
Wether one believes in the war or not it is a military persons duty to do what ever his CO tells him.
Also we as citizens, as the majority of us think the war may be wrong, we should support or troops 100 F'N percent. These men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday. I don't care if the war is wrong or right, because when your house floods and you have to be scooped off your roof, it's the military that gets you off that roof. When you call the police or firemen, some of those personal are active military, and or trained by the military. So don't you dare get mad at the military. Support them to your fullest ability.
Which leeds to anouther point.........
The true reason to cuttin youtube may never be known. But what I do know is that America as a whole has no problem complaining about our leader and our military. All those rants and raves get transfered to youtube. I can't think of the last nice thing I've heard about Iraq or any othe issues at hand, but I can remember the negative. The AP released a news report about a prisoner in Guatanamo. Saying he was tortured. That was the end of it. No explaination no nothing. Well, some people did a little research about this perticular prisoner. 3 months prior to this AP release the Red Cross interviewed him, he said he was being tortured, so the red cross asked him how, He was given a ball, with not enough, air in it to have rec time. His cell window was to small. TV time was to short and the TV did not have enough chanels. Ya thats torture. But the AP ra with the torture story nothing else.
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarly portray the positive things. I believe their are just as much positive things in Iraq as there are negative.
Youtube is just anouther for of this media. It will always be filled with negativity about our troops, our leader, and their progress. After the troops see all this negativity, what do you think will happen to their mental stability?? It's very possible they may start to question why they are there, why they joined the military, or why they have been there the whole time and America doesn't support them?
Look people I'm not saying its right or wrong for the military to take away youtube. Who know maybe it really is a bandwidth issue maybe jcur31 is right? But with all the negativity in the media I believe that also has something to do about it. Our president may be about as smart as a box of rocks, but don't you dare say our military isn't doing a good enough job. Those men and women want to come home just as bad as we want them home. you ca garentee thay are trying their hardest to get rid of the insurgents, just as the insurgents are trying to get rid of our military.
Is it wrong to take away youtube.......who knows
Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?.........F YES
Is this rant and rave to long and bounce of topic?..........Probly guess we'll find out what the mods think.
sorry so long and scattered
LD

Is it wrong to take away "youtube".......depends on placement if it was all bases and such that would be much ,no??

Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?
never the trops the old gray suits that live a life far above avrage peopl;e who only reall know how to steal money from the conglomerates they make or work for are genreally the ones that give the orders and the troops are forced to deal with "playing in the sands"....

all in all wars lead by the suits tend to be problematic and this war on terror is a nightmare like the war on drugs,both need to be rebalanced so they can work better.

1919.5.2007 15:48

@jcur31

Thanxs for the clarification.

2019.5.2007 17:09

lawndog, you're a good man, you didn't make me angry. You just said what I was thinking, but I couldn't put it into words. Thanks.

2119.5.2007 19:35
webe123
Inactive

Originally posted by lawndog:
Well, this may be the post that I write that ticks ALOT of you off. So in advance let me say we are talking about the freedom of speech, and this may or may not be my opinon. Some of the things I will say I agree with and some are just things to stir the pot.
First off. When you join the military, you sign over your life. For those that have I have the deepest respect. I wish I could have joined but I couldn't pass medical. When you sign over your life, or work for the military, it's exactly that. They own you. The corps are your parents. You see what they want you to see. Is it wrong...... yes..but wait........is there anouther side?
Wether one believes in the war or not it is a military persons duty to do what ever his CO tells him.
Also we as citizens, as the majority of us think the war may be wrong, we should support or troops 100 F'N percent. These men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday. I don't care if the war is wrong or right, because when your house floods and you have to be scooped off your roof, it's the military that gets you off that roof. When you call the police or firemen, some of those personal are active military, and or trained by the military. So don't you dare get mad at the military. Support them to your fullest ability.
Which leeds to anouther point.........
The true reason to cuttin youtube may never be known. But what I do know is that America as a whole has no problem complaining about our leader and our military. All those rants and raves get transfered to youtube. I can't think of the last nice thing I've heard about Iraq or any othe issues at hand, but I can remember the negative. The AP released a news report about a prisoner in Guatanamo. Saying he was tortured. That was the end of it. No explaination no nothing. Well, some people did a little research about this perticular prisoner. 3 months prior to this AP release the Red Cross interviewed him, he said he was being tortured, so the red cross asked him how, He was given a ball, with not enough, air in it to have rec time. His cell window was to small. TV time was to short and the TV did not have enough chanels. Ya thats torture. But the AP ra with the torture story nothing else.
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarly portray the positive things. I believe their are just as much positive things in Iraq as there are negative.
Youtube is just anouther for of this media. It will always be filled with negativity about our troops, our leader, and their progress. After the troops see all this negativity, what do you think will happen to their mental stability?? It's very possible they may start to question why they are there, why they joined the military, or why they have been there the whole time and America doesn't support them?
Look people I'm not saying its right or wrong for the military to take away youtube. Who know maybe it really is a bandwidth issue maybe jcur31 is right? But with all the negativity in the media I believe that also has something to do about it. Our president may be about as smart as a box of rocks, but don't you dare say our military isn't doing a good enough job. Those men and women want to come home just as bad as we want them home. you ca garentee thay are trying their hardest to get rid of the insurgents, just as the insurgents are trying to get rid of our military.
Is it wrong to take away youtube.......who knows
Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?.........F YES
Is this rant and rave to long and bounce of topic?..........Probly guess we'll find out what the mods think.
sorry so long and scattered
LD
Well my dad was in WW2 and so were two of my uncles.(My uncle Jamie was wounded at Iwo Jima by a sniper and had to be carried off the beach) So I have the highest respect for the military, but I do NOT agree with this war.....nor with George Bush as a president! Neither does my dad..who is far more vocal about his feelings against Bush than even I am! And he is a WW2 vet.

But first, you need to seperate WHAT people are saying when they say negative things about the war....first off, because you are against the war does NOT ...I REPEAT...NOT...mean that YOU ARE AGAINST THE TROOPS!! That is the stupidest thing someone can say. I think the reason people want this war over is because they CARE about the troops being in harms way!

Secondly, this war is turning out like Vietnam....people are losing faith in the reason we went over there in the first place....weapons of mass destruction...(remember the reason Bush and co. told the country the reason for this war?) later on turned out to be "weapons of mass distraction"...because there WERE no WMD's...Saddam had gotten rid of all of them!

So it is natural to feel the way the american people are feeling...a LOT feel betrayed by Bush and this administration and Iraq is only ONE problem this administratiuon has bungled...there are many more...immmigration, securing the border witrh Mexico, trade agreements with China and letting China get by with any kind of tarrifs they want to put on imports comming into China from America, BUT NOT wanting to have any tarrifs for China in return.

Then there is his administration officials which numerous ones are being investigated for different crimes and some are right now IN PRISON. Those are only a few examples....there are many more.

But...is that a reflection on the troops over there doing the best they can??...NO! When you hear people talking about Iraq, next time try to think of reason WHY they are so bitter about it....but also try to understand that it has nothing to do with the troops, but it has everything to do with US leadership! The leadership is what most people are having problems with.....not the troops as far as I can tell.

(Back on topic) Now as far as youtube being taken away,I also understand that the military does not have the bandwith for highspeed video and audio, so it makes sense what they are doing.

Though I would hope that other arrangements can be made on some sattelite services to let the trops access the net in all it's glory. Because I think that our troops deserve the best..not only in equipment, but in things to do in their free time as well.
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2219.5.2007 20:25

Quote:
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarely portray the positive things.
Well now that solders can't upload videos the media is all we've got. I don't think this would be such a big deal if the pentagon didn't just announce that they would start uploading their own videos for better PR. After all of the lies you can't blame the public for being skeptical.

2319.5.2007 21:04

Quote:
included attacks on Iraqi civilian
why would youtube try and cover up Americas attacks on civilians ?!!!?
Why would youtube try and cover up the truth.

America says the don't cover up lies but look at youtube. why are we lying to our people.
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2420.5.2007 2:30
pigfister
Inactive

Originally posted by afunguy24 :
Quote:
included attacks on Iraqi civilian
why would youtube try and cover up Americas attacks on civilians ?!!!?
Why would youtube try and cover up the truth.

America says the don't cover up lies but look at youtube. why are we lying to our people.
like the leak of the occupying forces using white phosphorus yes the us troops were using a BANNED CHEMICAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION used in the heavily populated city of Falluja on civilians this is what they want to stop. but the us troops didn't stop all the reporters and civilians from speaking the truth. that the us tried so hard to cover up and then saying it was only used as a smoke screen, these lying f**ks need to be court-martial for war crimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKVL04xkmE

try searching Falluja in youtube/google video

Originally posted by bbc:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4440664.stm
US troops used white phosphorus as a weapon in last year's offensive in the Iraqi city of Falluja, the US has said.

White phosphorus is highly flammable and ignites on contact with oxygen. If the substance hits someone's body, it will burn until deprived of oxygen.

Globalsecurity.org, a defence website, says: "Phosphorus burns on the skin are deep and painful... These weapons are particularly nasty because white phosphorus continues to burn until it disappears... it could burn right down to the bone."

A spokesman at the UK Ministry of Defence said the use of white phosphorus was permitted in battle in cases where there were no civilians near the target area.

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2521.5.2007 1:33

I guess the sad part of the whole deal is that instead of using this opportunity to learn all the facts about the story, It has turned into a soap box for the very people that we volunteer soldiers are giving our lives for everyday to protect to disrespect our lives.

A few isolated incidents does not sum up the character of the millions of us who live by ethical codes.

In all actuality there couldn't be a better reason to allow soldiers to watch these videos. Allowing soldiers, even forcing them to watch these atrocities go on would be the best training videos out there.

I was always taught, Perception is Reality, this is important to know because now matter how chopped up or mis-dated a video is, or even real for that matter, this is what people see, so it is what they believe. Knowing this, most soldiers know how high the bar has to be set to do things correctly and just how the slightest mistake will be blown out of proportion.

The best part of it all is that, know matter how much you tear apart us soldiers, know matter what you post or show, no matter how much you empower the enemy, I will still fight with pride, allowing you to say what you want to say, on any forum. You see this is the very reason I do this, so we keep these freedoms. So I applaud you for speaking your mind, you are aloud to say whatever you want, and you can still do so because of men like me.

2621.5.2007 2:11
pigfister
Inactive

Originally posted by jcur31:


A few isolated incidents does not sum up the character of the millions of us who live by ethical codes.



i guess thats why Al Jazeera television NEWS studios has had their headquarters blown up killing innocent reporters by the us even though they issued the gps co-ordinates for the studios. then the us try to convince ppl that it was an al qaeda facility.

Quote:
November 13, 2001 – The U.S. launches a missile attack on Al Jazeera’s office in Kabul, Afghanistan. In making the case that this was a deliberate attack, Al Jazeera’s managing director, Mohammed Jasim al-Ali, says “This office has been known by everybody, the American airplanes know the location of the office.” Although no Al Jazeera staff was hurt in the attack, the building was destroyed and some employees’ homes were damaged. In a letter to Al Jazeera dated December 6, U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense Victoria Clarke says “the building we struck was a known Al Qaeda facility in central Kabul.”

and then the same in iraq http://www.fsrn.org/headlines/20030408_headlines.html
Quote:
Al-Jazeera reporter killed in missile attack
Adding to the growing toll of journalists killed covering the hostilities in Iraq. An Al Jazerra reporter has been killed after a missile hit the broadcasters office in Baghdad. Oula Farwati reports.

then the uk top secret memo was leaked http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10153489/
Quote:
LONDON - A civil servant has been charged under Britain’s Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested that Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.

The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera’s headquarters in Doha, Qatar, when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush administration has regularly accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American sentiments.

The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources. One source, said to be in the government, was quoted as saying that the alleged threat was “humorous, not serious,” but the newspaper quoted another source as saying that “Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair.”
and the us is all for feee speach, i seriously doubt that fact, they are conducting an immoral war occupying a foreign country that they took by force for oil and the American DOD is just trying to cover up more stories by silencing everyone they can!

TELL THE TRUTH - Mos Def - Immortal Technique - Eminem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0
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2721.5.2007 10:20

You see that's the beauty of it, something you will never understand. Until you have to fear for your life for speaking your mind, or choosing to be a caged animal controlled by your government you will think everything in the world is a pretty euphoria. Take the time to travel to some third world countries. Life isn't all Internet and video games.

You can say it's for oil. I won't deny you that probably plays a big part of why we are there. When countries threaten the global economy it is important. When Iran took the British Sailors and Marines for those 15 day's it shot the price of crude oil up 3-5 percent. They export 2.5 million barrels a day. They made an extra 100 million dollars a day by causing this strategically planed disturbance. They only gave the soldiers back when a Brittain posed a true military threat.

The same thing is happening right now in Venezuela. You will see a civil war there in the next couple of years. Hugo Chavez became president and then took control of all the oil. At the same time he created a better life for a lot of people in his country. This is not bad, Who knows if the major oil companies where giving those people there fair share. All I know is that several American companies spent hundreds of billions of dollars to build that infostructure. Now they are sent packing with little to no return.

The reason I bring this up is because now that he has the trust of a good number of his citizens he is taking away all there rights. At the end of this month, he is shutting down the only independent TV station there. They are turning it into a state run news station. Hundreds of thousand of people marched on the capitol to protest this week. He has already said if you don't like what I am doing, get out. So it won't be long before he is killing his own people to shut down free speech. This turmoil will cause crude oil prices to shoot up drastically. You will definitely feel it at the pump. Should no one step in when he is killing his own people and tearing up the global economy?

Now the very important part about this conflict. There are around 33 million people in Iraq. We have 140,000 soldiers. This is a 236 to 1 ratio. It is said that is takes 10 soldiers to take down 1 insurgent by rule. At any time they wish, Iraq could either ask us to leave or forcibly tell us to leave. The shear numbers tell you that no matter what kind of military equipment we had over there it wouldn't take long to kill every US soldier. I'm sure that's what you would like to see.

I have looked into the eyes of Men, women, and children over there. They are very grateful and they are strong willed knowing that at the end of this they will come out on top. Until you see it for yourself you will never understand.

The media only shows you the horrible thing that are going on over there, it gives people like you, sitting on your soap box something to talk about. Some reason to hate the Replicants in the white house now. But if you think things are going to change when Dems get into power think again. The Democrat majority Congress already has a lower approval rating then our President.

2821.5.2007 11:05

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Al-Jazeera reporter killed in missile attack
Adding to the growing toll of journalists killed covering the hostilities in Iraq. An Al Jazerra reporter has been killed after a missile hit the broadcasters office in Baghdad. Oula Farwati reports.
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Just as many Reporters covering the coalition have been injured or killed. Ask Bob Woodruff. When you CHOOSE to be a reporter in a combat zone, you have to be aware of the chance that you can be injured or killed. Should we not return fire on enemies firing at us just because there is a reporter with them.But this obviously doesn't matter to you because in your eyes, there is only one side to every story.

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2921.5.2007 12:24
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Originally posted by jcur31:
Quote:Just as many Reporters covering the coalition have been injured or killed. Ask Bob Woodruff. When you CHOOSE to be a reporter in a combat zone, you have to be aware of the chance that you can be injured or killed. Should we not return fire on enemies firing at us just because there is a reporter with them.But this obviously doesn't matter to you because in your eyes, there is only one side to every story.
The point was al Jazeera was purposely targeted in both Afghanistan and Iraq by the US forces to silence reports from the area, cutting off reports other than the heavily edited ones, with most of the reporters that were only allowed to travel with the coalition forces. and only report selected stories.

It may pay to read about Mesopotamia and what the west did to these ppl including the *great* Winston Churchill.

you know the opec members were starting to trade oil for euros 1st was Iraq then iran then north korea omg its axis of evil 1,2 & 3 right there and its not about the oil. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/...,900867,00.html

then omg President Hugo Chavez wanted for all opec members to trade in euros which would have had dire consequences for the $ but that's enough to slaughter innocent ppl for isn't and you say Hugo Chavez is killing freedom of speech!

3021.5.2007 18:04

YouTube already has a system in place where you have to have an account to watch violent videos or anything that depicts graphic acts.

This just sounds like a big propaganda cover-up to me.

3121.5.2007 19:53

wow all this free speech going on is great. To bad every country can't have the same policies. Let's see in the old Iraq anybody that didn't agree with Saddam would be dead. So Pigfister, that would be you. Viva free speech
LD

3221.5.2007 21:47
pigfister
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Originally posted by lawndog:
wow all this free speech going on is great. To bad every country can't have the same policies. Let's see in the old Iraq anybody that didn't agree with Saddam would be dead. So Pigfister, that would be you. Viva free speech
LD
Iraq was a democracy before America interfered and installed what they thought to be a pro western dictatorship by their own CIA clowns, try to read some history books dude! but this information in the uk and us is not taught in schools another form of censorship maybe? sounds like they have been doing the propaganda thing longer than the block on all YouTube, Myspace, Blogging & wtf not allowing Emails, Letters without getting the red editing pen out that's a free society for ya!
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3330.6.2007 13:26

I think I remember hearing something on the news about soldiers using MySpace blogs/YouTube and some them supposedly shared info about their ops there were to take place the next day. So, if the 'insurgents' were to view that, they would have the preemptive against them.

I heard something else about if even one person shoots at a soldier, they are ordered to shoot everyone, regardless if they pose a threat or not, is this true?



3430.6.2007 13:35

Originally posted by Ofnir1:
I think I remember hearing something on the news about soldiers using MySpace blogs/YouTube and some them supposedly shared info about their ops there were to take place the next day. So, if the 'insurgents' were to view that, they would have the preemptive against them.

I heard something else about if even one person shoots at a soldier, they are ordered to shoot everyone, regardless if they pose a threat or not, is this true?
also filed ops need bandwidth for ops not for myspace or WOW,so its not like all bases have locked down the net.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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3530.6.2007 16:43

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also filed ops need bandwidth for ops not for myspace or WOW,so its not like all bases have locked down the net.
Hmm.. makes sense, thanks for adding that.


3630.6.2007 16:50

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[quote]also filed ops need bandwidth for ops not for myspace or WOW,so its not like all bases have locked down the net.
Hmm.. makes sense, thanks for adding that.[/quote]
pigfister brought it up I believe,mm I wonder why he got ban hammered he seemed...sane LOL

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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3730.6.2007 17:27

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pigfister brought it up I believe,mm I wonder why he got ban hammered he seemed...sane LOL
Lol! What ever became of PF-miester I wonder? :P


3830.6.2007 17:33

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pigfister brought it up I believe,mm I wonder why he got ban hammered he seemed...sane LOL
Lol! What ever became of PF-miester I wonder? :P[/quote]
meh anyone that survived to senior and was somewhat helpful should only get monthly bans :P
LOL

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3930.6.2007 18:01

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meh anyone that survived to senior and was somewhat helpful should only get monthly bans :P
LOL
Haha true! You reading this, dRD?


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