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The Pirate Bay to launch YouTube rival

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 19 May 2007 13:57 User comments (28)

The Pirate Bay to launch YouTube rival The Pirate Bay, the infamous torrent tracker site has ended all specualtion and officially announced its latest project, a YouTube-esque video streaming site without any censorship.
The Pirate Bay Blog had this to say:

Oh, and the surprise that's coming... it's still not what people think it is... it's been speculations on it being Playble.com or the video somewhat secret video site.

But, as a treat I can tell you - YES - we're going to do a video streaming site. It's true. It's in the works being done right now and as usual we put a bit of Pirate Bay mentality behind every project we do.


The new site will be at thevideobay.org and a TPB admin has confirmed that they tested streams on Eurovision a while back with "no problems whatsoever".

The site will have user generated content, and will have no censorship. They added also that the community had the option to censor but that the admins would not censor anything.

"We're going for a free system, with a solution to not care so much about copyright but still not breaking laws," he said. "We're not revolutionizing the world, we're taking it just a small step further,"
added the admin.

More updates as they become available.

Source:
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28 user comments

119.5.2007 14:08
mark5hs
Inactive

a youtube style video site that doesn't care about copyrights... sounds alot like dailymotion

219.5.2007 14:14
tripplite
Inactive

na, there gona put right up torrents man,kinda like a preview a torrent before you downloadload it see.



319.5.2007 16:09

sure w/o censorship, not gonna happen they will pull something from the site just wait

419.5.2007 16:34
natony
Inactive

If it's censored by the user community they won't have to do any censoring. Sounds good.

519.5.2007 17:20

The no censorship could be a plus or minus for this site. But how are they going to battle the under age issue cause many young people sign up and give fake ages.

But personally i would love to see how this goes.

619.5.2007 18:06
tripplite
Inactive

i would be crazyed if for the movies or dvds torrent uploaders would also upload a sample of there there torrents, then you would realy know what was good or bad, negative would be porn, i don't like it when torrent sites go "adult" it just jumps to a zero in my book



720.5.2007 1:31

I have no idea how they are pulling this off, but they are doing it the good ol' TPB way... lots of attention :D

820.5.2007 3:32

Holy crap...guess there is an internet GOD.

So glad that they are not abiding to laws and such. And with this new site, it is going to be even better!

Nice work PB.

920.5.2007 4:08

Originally posted by venomX05:

So glad that they are not abiding to laws and such.

Which laws are they breaking? Is it illegal to host a video sharing site ? no! Have US IP laws poisoned Swedish IP laws? correct me if i'm wrong, but no!
IMHO it's up to the community of users to not put up material they don't own copyright to and not the hosters. A simple notice which all uploaders should agree to regarding ownership of IP, should be sufficient. This way we can all enjoy a free place to upload our own content and distribute our own IP without the need for media Labels who continue to rip us off.
Protect our freedoms!!! Protect our right to distribute our works freely!

1020.5.2007 6:03
scott2k7
Inactive

they will never beat you-tube in a million years cos you-tube has lots of vids and i mean lots and only people who like torrents and viruses will go on that hackers world again.......

1120.5.2007 7:14

Originally posted by scott2k7:
they will never beat you-tube in a million years cos you-tube has lots of vids and i mean lots and only people who like torrents and viruses will go on that hackers world again.......
You never know, www.thevideobay.org could become the new place for playing music videos. Youtube delete any footage if there has been any copyright infringment

1220.5.2007 7:46
scott2k7
Inactive

well yeh but how many copyrighted links to torretns are there and also how many viruses and if they displayed copyrighted content then it would most probably get closed down very quick
do u agree with me?

1320.5.2007 11:06

Originally posted by scott2k7:
well yeh but how many copyrighted links to torretns are there and also how many viruses and if they displayed copyrighted content then it would most probably get closed down very quick
do u agree with me?
Viruses... in flashvideos? want to explain?

Okay first. Get your numbers on how many torrents TPB have removed from their servers. Then think if they have already planned a way to go around the copyright laws?

These guys ain't stupid

1420.5.2007 11:20
scott2k7
Inactive

u download a vid through a torrent then it inplants the virus somewhere most likely system32 or sumin even after u delete the flash file once u have it ur stuffed my m8 downloaded bearshare(another hackers world) and had no antivirus lmfao wot a gay and it took 1 hour to boot and 5 mins to load up start and my other m8s day made it delete by editing the code its one of them thats undeleteable and ya dont one that trust me i have had a virus b4 through msn and it took me all night to fix it and i scanned my pc 4 times and kept deleting it eventually it went away and mi antivirus bullguard deleted it
virus=new hard drive
virus=money
virus=silly
virus=pointless
virus=if u r so sad to make them
torrents not worth it
viruses=priceless
for everything else like a new hard drive theres mastercard

1520.5.2007 11:49

Originally posted by scott2k7:
u download a vid through a torrent then it inplants the virus somewhere most likely system32 or sumin even after u delete the flash file once u have it ur stuffed my m8 downloaded bearshare(another hackers world) and had no antivirus lmfao wot a gay and it took 1 hour to boot and 5 mins to load up start and my other m8s day made it delete by editing the code its one of them thats undeleteable and ya dont one that trust me i have had a virus b4 through msn and it took me all night to fix it and i scanned my pc 4 times and kept deleting it eventually it went away and mi antivirus bullguard deleted it
virus=new hard drive
virus=money
virus=silly
virus=pointless
virus=if u r so sad to make them
torrents not worth it
viruses=priceless
for everything else like a new hard drive theres mastercard
Your friend had internet connection, but no anti-virus program... That itself is idiotic.

Who said anything about downloading a video through a torrent? It'll work like Youtube. You upload a normal video (.mpeg, .avi etc. etc.) and TPB servers transforms the file into a flashvideo, just like youtube.com and other similiar work.

and... for viruses, I can't speak from experience, since I haven't had a single virus to this day, which could harm my files or hard-drive in any way and I have used The Pirate Bay semi-actively for 2 years.

1620.5.2007 15:18

to all those people saying it will be great for previewing torrents... uh.... what about just downloading the samples from links youll find on www.rapidshared.org? and making sure your looking for the right file by cross checking with www.vcdq.com? hese are simple steps.

the streaming site will be a HUGE, HUGE blessing for those who cant use torrents, or anyone who actualy has to mind there internet activities. there is no way in hell you can get in trouble for watching something on a streaming site, your not sharing anything. you dont even have to wait of rthe dl you just watch it, but its all priated material proudly given out by the masterminds at piratebay.org

if it has capabilities to stream entire mvoies, at least in parts, then its gunna rock. bonus points if you can get it to be higher res than youtube, im kinda getting sick of youtubes low quality.

1720.5.2007 15:48

Sites like TPB, and other 'membership' run sites of it's kind, have a sense of pride, they are very active in making certain that they don't supply anything which could damage a user's computer. It's kind of an interesting bit of irony, they are very quick to weed out bad files, viruses, etc; which indicates a sense of morals and/or care for the end user, yet they supply illegal materials to anyone who might want them.

Without getting objective here, simply from a completely external standpoint, it's interesting that scott2k7 should bring up his point about viruses, needing new hard drives, etc. Why? Because it is 100% indicative of the type of user that he (or his 'friend'?)is, with an 'undeletable' file.... Scott2k7, you would do well to better learn your way around the backend of today's operating systems, registry, and deletion/privelages/file table protocol-Any user worth their salt in virus removal knows that you go into the drive outside of windows, hunt down the file(s) and clean the drive manually that way, completing your task in less than an hour... If you're unfamiliar with the technique. Sorry Scotty, I've been there, I fix these problems 'undeletable' virus? No such thing. Until a code is invented that will physically control your drive headers away from it, there never will be. I've seen some of the nastiest the net has to offer, and the longest I've pulled on one was a good six hour chunk-The user had been surfing the net unprotected for a good half a year, browsing just about everything the web had to offer, I would suspect a large chunk of illegitimate sites among them, however, he was insistent that the computer not be wiped completely clean... He had files on it that were important-This was a business use computer with crucial business data, I had no secondary machine to resurrect the drive with, so I spent a good six hours 'cleaning'. The idiot didn't listen to my advice when I told him to cancel any company or personal accounts/cards, etc that had been entered on the machine-He called to scream at me months down the line for not telling him, even threatened me with legal action for not warning him- Carbon copy liability contracts sure are nice to keep around. :D

As for getting viruses from these sites... Yes. There are a lot of them. Many users experience these problems when surfing around the... 'bottom feeder' warez sites. I personally suspect that a number of them are actually paid for (Under the table) by the corporations who worry about piracy affecting their business. Just think about it for a moment, if you haven't already. Industry Giant 'A' owns and represents over 10,000 individual intellectual properties from music, to film, to games; and they know that the 'youth' crowd is their main income. They also know that the 'youth' crowd is most likely to try and learn a bit of piracy to cut costs, after all most kids and teens can't afford 25% of what they'd like to, and those are the more 'well to do' ones, lower incomes are even worse. I'd like to point out that that's not something the industry should be put to shame for-they, like any other corporation or industry in the world, put out products, often even competing within themselves to get the consumer's dollar; when they create a 'pull' between two products, they know that they incidentally create a sort of consumer 'loyalty' and that you're more likely to buy, it's basic consumer economics, that's just how it works. Continuing on, they know that arrests, trials, and huge settlements/convictions that are made widely known to the public won't scare everyone, after all today's youth tend to live in "It'll never happen to me" land.(I'm not bagging on teens and the youth, I'm not as far from that category as I may sound right now, so please, nothing personal.) Some will still go to the big sites, like TPB, Napster(Back in the day, before they went legit.) And they'll make new fodder for the industry's lawyers. Some will decide it's too hard to find the 'goods' without going to those big targets like TPB, etc. Others still will continue searching, and from an industry perspective, what better way is there to scare that last remaining end-user, than to supply them with booby-trapped software that destroys their pc. It's their way of filtering the losses further, if you keep getting viruses from the bottom-of-the-barrel sites, you're less likely to keep searching and find the more hidden ones that contain the huge stockpiles of what the industry wants you to pay for.

It's never been proven that the industry does this. But it's widely speculated, and in a world where companies like Sony/BMG and others get leaked for 'guerrilla tactics' in advertising, etc; it's hard to believe that the industry giants don't deliberately set traps for would-be pirates as well, in order to discourage the potential for future distributors, etc.

Either way, I think TPB have a little too much faith in people regarding this new streaming video site, I think it will be quite some time before we see the first few virus epidemics from it, but anyone who uses there computer even to check the weather on a weekly basis would be foolish not to have protection... Especially if they're going to go looking for illegal copyright materials- that's like having a party at a brothel without any protection.

I believe that user-censorship will cause some significant problems for them in the beginning, resulting in everything from user-censorship battles, to takedown notices, problems with underage users, larger copyright issues, and I believe that some of the darker portions of the internet's underworld might come to surface on a site with truly 'no admin censorship'. If they really launch this with as little control as they're leading on, things are going to appear that we don't even want to bring to this discussion; things should be available to no one.

1820.5.2007 17:39

Originally posted by handsom:
Sites like TPB, and other 'membership' run sites of it's kind, have a sense of pride, they are very active in making certain that they don't supply anything which could damage a user's computer. It's kind of an interesting bit of irony, they are very quick to weed out bad files, viruses, etc; which indicates a sense of morals and/or care for the end user, yet they supply illegal materials to anyone who might want them.

Without getting objective here, simply from a completely external standpoint, it's interesting that scott2k7 should bring up his point about viruses, needing new hard drives, etc. Why? Because it is 100% indicative of the type of user that he (or his 'friend'?)is, with an 'undeletable' file.... Scott2k7, you would do well to better learn your way around the backend of today's operating systems, registry, and deletion/privelages/file table protocol-Any user worth their salt in virus removal knows that you go into the drive outside of windows, hunt down the file(s) and clean the drive manually that way, completing your task in less than an hour... If you're unfamiliar with the technique. Sorry Scotty, I've been there, I fix these problems 'undeletable' virus? No such thing. Until a code is invented that will physically control your drive headers away from it, there never will be. I've seen some of the nastiest the net has to offer, and the longest I've pulled on one was a good six hour chunk-The user had been surfing the net unprotected for a good half a year, browsing just about everything the web had to offer, I would suspect a large chunk of illegitimate sites among them, however, he was insistent that the computer not be wiped completely clean... He had files on it that were important-This was a business use computer with crucial business data, I had no secondary machine to resurrect the drive with, so I spent a good six hours 'cleaning'. The idiot didn't listen to my advice when I told him to cancel any company or personal accounts/cards, etc that had been entered on the machine-He called to scream at me months down the line for not telling him, even threatened me with legal action for not warning him- Carbon copy liability contracts sure are nice to keep around. :D

As for getting viruses from these sites... Yes. There are a lot of them. Many users experience these problems when surfing around the... 'bottom feeder' warez sites. I personally suspect that a number of them are actually paid for (Under the table) by the corporations who worry about piracy affecting their business. Just think about it for a moment, if you haven't already. Industry Giant 'A' owns and represents over 10,000 individual intellectual properties from music, to film, to games; and they know that the 'youth' crowd is their main income. They also know that the 'youth' crowd is most likely to try and learn a bit of piracy to cut costs, after all most kids and teens can't afford 25% of what they'd like to, and those are the more 'well to do' ones, lower incomes are even worse. I'd like to point out that that's not something the industry should be put to shame for-they, like any other corporation or industry in the world, put out products, often even competing within themselves to get the consumer's dollar; when they create a 'pull' between two products, they know that they incidentally create a sort of consumer 'loyalty' and that you're more likely to buy, it's basic consumer economics, that's just how it works. Continuing on, they know that arrests, trials, and huge settlements/convictions that are made widely known to the public won't scare everyone, after all today's youth tend to live in "It'll never happen to me" land.(I'm not bagging on teens and the youth, I'm not as far from that category as I may sound right now, so please, nothing personal.) Some will still go to the big sites, like TPB, Napster(Back in the day, before they went legit.) And they'll make new fodder for the industry's lawyers. Some will decide it's too hard to find the 'goods' without going to those big targets like TPB, etc. Others still will continue searching, and from an industry perspective, what better way is there to scare that last remaining end-user, than to supply them with booby-trapped software that destroys their pc. It's their way of filtering the losses further, if you keep getting viruses from the bottom-of-the-barrel sites, you're less likely to keep searching and find the more hidden ones that contain the huge stockpiles of what the industry wants you to pay for.

It's never been proven that the industry does this. But it's widely speculated, and in a world where companies like Sony/BMG and others get leaked for 'guerrilla tactics' in advertising, etc; it's hard to believe that the industry giants don't deliberately set traps for would-be pirates as well, in order to discourage the potential for future distributors, etc.

Either way, I think TPB have a little too much faith in people regarding this new streaming video site, I think it will be quite some time before we see the first few virus epidemics from it, but anyone who uses there computer even to check the weather on a weekly basis would be foolish not to have protection... Especially if they're going to go looking for illegal copyright materials- that's like having a party at a brothel without any protection.

I believe that user-censorship will cause some significant problems for them in the beginning, resulting in everything from user-censorship battles, to takedown notices, problems with underage users, larger copyright issues, and I believe that some of the darker portions of the internet's underworld might come to surface on a site with truly 'no admin censorship'. If they really launch this with as little control as they're leading on, things are going to appear that we don't even want to bring to this discussion; things should be available to no one.
great post
im worried about the lack of control too, as i'd hate to see things like "steve irwin getting killed" pop up on there, guarenteed something like that would.
im also concerned about the ramifications for future generations as the internet becomes more and more widespread, as in new generations might think they are unaccountable for anything

1920.5.2007 17:40

If its as good as the lead in says, a new looker may be here. I have yet to watch anything on youtube, myspace, etc. I do search for tv shows that were missed and maybe just seeing them here would be sweet. Why pay $3 for a show when it should be free to people who missed it and just want to watch.(example only)

2020.5.2007 19:08

That is a very interesting point of debate that I've been turning over in my head, I've been considering purchasing some television episodes that I really want to see on iTunes, but it feels weird to pay for something which is broadcast for free(Not even cable, in this case); currently I don't have the episodes at all, but paying a few bucks an episode just seems.... Off. I'm still looking for legal alternatives, but as of yet, I'm missing out since I don't feel like paying more than (maybe) 50 cents and episode, and I absolutely don't want any illegal downloading in my home(for reasons of personal history, nothing to do with ethics and/or lack thereof.)

2121.5.2007 8:27

Originally posted by handsom:
That is a very interesting point of debate that I've been turning over in my head, I've been considering purchasing some television episodes that I really want to see on iTunes, but it feels weird to pay for something which is broadcast for free(Not even cable, in this case); currently I don't have the episodes at all, but paying a few bucks an episode just seems.... Off. I'm still looking for legal alternatives, but as of yet, I'm missing out since I don't feel like paying more than (maybe) 50 cents and episode, and I absolutely don't want any illegal downloading in my home(for reasons of personal history, nothing to do with ethics and/or lack thereof.)
the legal alternative is to just get on g2 and leach, simple. some people claim otherwise but downloading has never been punished, only uplaoding. whats this history you speak of?

2221.5.2007 16:47
tripplite
Inactive

i guess it would generate alot of viewers, this could be the first real competitor to youtube, also there is a lot of tv shows and parts of movies on youtube already, so i wouldn't worry to much about the MPAA or any other group jumping at them, think man, i've at least seen 12 full episodes of south park on myspace, so if they crack down on pirate bay then they will have't to do the same to the others, i don't see it being shot down every other day like pirate bay is every now and then



2322.5.2007 17:41

If this is pulled off with the usual pirate bay gusto, then I'm all for it.

As far as the censorship thing, if the title looks like it might offend you, DON'T WATCH IT. People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. Parents, watch what your kids are doing online.

2423.5.2007 5:20

Quote:
downloading has never been punished
-Georgeluv

I believe there is a crucial correction that must be applied to this statement. Downloading on music and games has never been punished. However the DMCA(Digital Millenium Copyright Act) does, in fact prohibit any copying, duplicating, or otherwise backing up of copyrighted video. This means that the film industry(Who started getting in on the 'action' more recently, I believe less than six months ago) can actually sue you for copying a dvd movie that you legally own. Yes, it's that strict with video. The film industry has already served many warrants, etc in relation to video downloading, they have an easier time with these things, because you don't have to upload in order for them to get you. So in this particular case, there is a huge concern for users getting legal ramifications if there is any 'downloading' going on unless A.)The user can truly prove that they were unaware(Ever downloaded item a and gotten item b? Haven't we all.) Or if B.) There might (but this is debatable) be a workaround, loophole, etc for specifically streaming video. I don't know how the DMCA might pertain to that, but TPB just might be onto something on that end. And hey, even if it is just a stream, there's no way to tell what a user has done with it once it touches their machine.

It's still an interesting prospect overall for good and bad reasons. I'm curious to see how it all shapes up.

2524.5.2007 15:57
diableria
Inactive

Originally posted by scott2k7:
they will never beat you-tube in a million years cos you-tube has lots of vids and i mean lots and only people who like torrents and viruses will go on that hackers world again.......
ugh its not about beating youtube its about creating a site with all the vids people wanna watch without any restrictions, some people are dumb...

2625.5.2007 8:12
scott2k7
Inactive

dont start junior

272.6.2007 18:27
tripplite
Inactive

yess>>>>>>>>>>> I HAAVVE A VERY GOOD CONNECTION THAT TELLS ME THAT BITCOMET IS GOING TO FEATURE STREAM DOWNLOAD SUPPORT FOR IT.



283.6.2007 1:49
scott2k7
Inactive

i have 16mb broadband wow

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