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AllofMP3.com speaks to p2pnet

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 03 Jun 2007 17:22 User comments (22)

AllofMP3.com speaks to p2pnet P2Pnet's Jon Newton recently had contact with Russian MP3 site AllofMP3.com. Record companies accuse AllofMP3 of illegally selling music downloads to international customers. AllofMP3 is known for selling its DRM-free downloads at a fraction of the price iTunes and similar authorized services do. This fact, for a time at least, made AllofMP3 second only to iTunes in the music download market in the UK.
AllofMP3 told p2pnet that is now has 5,500,000 registered users worldwide. When asked about U.S. pressure on the Russian government with regard to Moscow's 13-year-old bid to join the WTO, specifically about the existence of AllofMP3, the response was...
"It is disappointing that United States Trade Representative Susan Schwab completely and deliberately mischaracterized AllofMP3.com. Furthermore, it is irresponsible to use AllofMP3.com as a negotiating instrument in an attempt to extract concessions from Russia in return for US support for accession to the World Trade Organization.

AllofMP3.com is a Russian business that is in complete compliance with Russian law."
Furthermore, the company claims to never have been contacted by the Russian government, Susan Schwab or anybody from the U.S. trade office or from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) or any of the four major record companies. AllofMP3 hopes to keep up with the growth in income and Internet access in Russia to provide "customers a web-friendly site and great functionality at an attractive price point."

With regard to the recent IFPI claims that an AllofMP3.com employee in London, at "AllofMP3's European Office", was arrested for selling vouchers through web services for AllofMP3.com, the company said...
"The IFPI/ BPI (British Phonographic Industry) turned a person reselling gift certificates into a 'European office of AllOFMP3' in London. After that they initiated the loud 'closure' of this 'office' and an arrest of its mythical 'employee'."
As for AllofMP3's explanation for why the service is legal, here it is...
We believe it is legal in Russia under Articles 44 and 45 of the Law of the Russian Federation No. 5351-1 On Copyright and Related Rights dated July 9, 1993, as amended, (the Copyright Law), which authorizes Russian non-profit Russian organizations for collective management of copyrights (Russian Licensing Societies) to grant licenses to entities such as ALLOFMP3. ALLOFMP3 has up-to-date licenses from the Russian Licensing Societies from the Federation of Rights Holders for Collective Management of Copyright with Respect to the Use of Musical Works in Interactive Regime (FAIR) and from the Russian Organization on Collective Management of Rights of Authors and Other Right Holders in Multimedia, Digital Networks & Visual Arts (ROMS).

Russian Copyright Law allows holders of intellectual property rights to establish non-profit organizations such as ROMS which in its capacity oversees licensing agreements and collects royalties and pays them out to copyright holders, aside from some commissions.

The Russian Copyright Law provides non-profit Russian Licensing Societies with a right to grant licenses and to collect royalties for the use of music without necessarily obtaining permission from the copyright owners.
Read the rest of the interview from p2pnet.

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22 user comments

13.6.2007 18:38

HA HA HA HA the RIAA needs to go after ROM first then get the law changed stupid fckers breaking world law and destroing a business because they do not like it.

heres a thought setup a credits thing like IMVU or other chat places that sale credits, problem solved :P

23.6.2007 18:58

Zippy, I have no idea what you just said.

33.6.2007 19:16

Originally posted by thekingo7:
Zippy, I have no idea what you just said.
Allofmp3 is legal via
Russian Organization on Collective Management of Rights of Authors and Other Right Holders in Multimedia, Digital Networks & Visual Arts (ROMS)

and ROMS makes the law regurding it so the media mafiaa has to go after it not allofmp3 thats not breaking the law.
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44.6.2007 0:24

Quote:
AllofMP3.com is a Russian business that is in complete compliance with Russian law."
I think due to this line and where ever else it is has its own law the RIAA and the MPAA should mind their own business. If they are not breaking any law within their own country leave them alone. Russia is not the USA and is not a state of it either.

54.6.2007 1:01

Quote:
[quote]AllofMP3.com is a Russian business that is in complete compliance with Russian law."
I think due to this line and where ever else it is has its own law the RIAA and the MPAA should mind their own business. If they are not breaking any law within their own country leave them alone. Russia is not the USA and is not a state of it either.[/quote]the RIAA can bully them on a international front however like most RIAA btch snapping they are doing things arse backwards they need to bully ROMS and get them to change their way.

64.6.2007 1:38

Quote:
Russia is not the USA and is not a state of it either.
Indeed but of course the RIAA, despite being the recording insdustry association of america, seems to like policing the entire world. Best of luck with that one fools!

74.6.2007 1:44
johnarama
Inactive

The RIAA are a silly bunch. They should just focus on making music more reasonably priced. When CDs first came out they promised the prices would drop to match that of cassettes and vinyl, and they never did; they straight out lied, and CDs didn't cost any more to make, it's time that CDs came back to that $7 level they're destined to be sold at, before it's too late!
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84.6.2007 1:45

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[Quote]Russia is not the USA and is not a state of it either. Indeed but of course the RIAA, despite being the recording insdustry association of america, seems to like policing the entire world. Best of luck with that one fools!

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Uummmmmm where dose half or more of the music on allof come from?

they do need to fight for proper IP/CP control but they are doing it completely wrong.
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94.6.2007 2:45

johnarama, no advertising please.
Zippy, what point were you trying to make? You seem to have combined borhan's post and mine together.

104.6.2007 2:59

Originally posted by sammorris:
johnarama, no advertising please.
Zippy, what point were you trying to make? You seem to have combined borhan's post and mine together.
quote demons gotta love them :P

Was referign to your post most of the songs are US "properties" which ROMS dose not have the contract to sell internationality only within russia,thus the RIAA can not nothing to allof (well they have good old fashioned conglomerate power and all but thats a btch for another day)
My point being ROMS is the problem and like the RIAA with MP3s in general are not dealing with the problem they are goign after scape goats to look good and bully sheeple into complanticy.

114.6.2007 15:34

I know there are a lot of pirates here who don't believe in copyrights, and I don't expect to change your mind. But, copyrights are not based on some random law (like which side of the road it's legal to drive on). Copyrights are based on the moral and ethical ownership rights of the work's creators.

It may be legal, but it is immoral to sell (or give away) music without paying the artist or copyright holder.

The artist has a right to be paid for his/her work. Musicians sell their rights to the record companies, and authors sell their rights to publishers. In turn, the record company/book publisher has a right to be paid too.

I'm not a big fan of big record companies, the RIAA, or the MPAA either. BUT, THE ARTIST HAS A RIGHT TO BE PAID. So if you buy pirated music from AllofMP3, try to figure-out a way to send the artist a small donation...

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I don't know anything about Russian corporate law, but just because AllofMP3 is "non-profit", it does not mean that the owners/operators are not making money! Here in the USA it is perfectly legal to set-up an non-profit corporation (and it can be a non-charitable non-profit) and you can pay the CEO and managers a million dollars a year!

For those of you who haven't taken an accounting course, Salaries are not profit. They are expenses, and most non-profits do have paid employees. As long as the managers pay taxes on their personal income, the government doesn't care how much they are paid.

124.6.2007 16:02

Quote:
I know there are a lot of pirates here who don't believe in copyrights, and I don't expect to change your mind. But, copyrights are not based on some random law (like which side of the road it's legal to drive on). Copyrights are based on the moral and ethical ownership rights of the work's creators.

It may be legal, but it is immoral to sell (or give away) music without paying the artist or copyright holder.

The artist has a right to be paid for his/her work. Musicians sell their rights to the record companies, and authors sell their rights to publishers. In turn, the record company/book publisher has a right to be paid too.

I'm not a big fan of big record companies, the RIAA, or the MPAA either. BUT, THE ARTIST HAS A RIGHT TO BE PAID. So if you buy pirated music from AllofMP3, try to figure-out a way to send the artist a small donation...

I will stipulate that allof is operating in the gray area allowed via poor Russia law but it still legal within Russia however your missing a glaring point allof has shown that the MAFIAA price scheme is broken if they operated like alloff(payplay,ect,ect) and gave 20-40% of the sales to the artist everyone would be making moeny not just the MAFIAA.

135.6.2007 0:09
johnarama
Inactive

Here's a question, if Turkey can ban Youtube in their country, isn't there a way that US ISP's can somehow block access to selected sites, such as AllofMP3.com?!

145.6.2007 0:21

Originally posted by johnarama:
Here's a question, if Turkey can ban Youtube in their country, isn't there a way that US ISP's can somehow block access to selected sites, such as AllofMP3.com?!
The most simplest answer is no its the US and bound to anti-censorship and freedom of speech laws, if the mafiaa forced their hands on ISPs both could be sued by the "common man" if hey go after Allof and use their might to annoy the banking/credit system then theres no legal recourse for "common man" to take.

155.6.2007 1:21

It's been done, the swedish ISP Perspektiv blocked all its users access to the Allofmp3 website. As a protest, The Pirate Bay then blocked all Perspektiv's users from their site too, redirecting them to page telling them to change ISP.

168.6.2007 16:29
UbuntuGuy
Inactive

Originally posted by DVDdoug:
The artist has a right to be paid for his/her work. Musicians sell their rights to the record companies, and authors sell their rights to publishers. In turn, the record company/book publisher has a right to be paid too.

In the USA, licensing agencies collect royalties. It works pretty much the same way in other countries. But, consider this.

Let's say that radio station KJDY played an entire album by Madonna. And let's say that Madonna was entitled to a penny per song for each song played. If there were 15 songs on the CD and the licensing agency (ASCAP and/or BMI) only sent Madonna 2 cents instead of 15 cents, who would Madonna have a beef with ... KJDY or ASCAP/BMI?

In short, the recording industry doesn't REALLY have a valid beef with AllOfMP3.com ... their REAL beef is with ROMS, the licensing agency that is not paying the royalties expected.

178.6.2007 16:33
UbuntuGuy
Inactive

P.S. - BTW, AllOfMP3.com is no longer accepting credit cards to either refill balances or buy gift certificates (as of today). Does anyone know if this is a temporary situation or is it something more sinister?

188.6.2007 16:35

Quote:
Originally posted by DVDdoug:
The artist has a right to be paid for his/her work. Musicians sell their rights to the record companies, and authors sell their rights to publishers. In turn, the record company/book publisher has a right to be paid too.

In the USA, licensing agencies collect royalties. It works pretty much the same way in other countries. But, consider this.

Let's say that radio station KJDY played an entire album by Madonna. And let's say that Madonna was entitled to a penny per song for each song played. If there were 15 songs on the CD and the licensing agency (ASCAP and/or BMI) only sent Madonna 2 cents instead of 15 cents, who would Madonna have a beef with ... KJDY or ASCAP/BMI?

In short, the recording industry doesn't REALLY have a valid beef with AllOfMP3.com ... their REAL beef is with ROMS, the licensing agency that is not paying the royalties expected.

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But they are paying the royalists based on price in Russia even if they where paying the normal rate the mafiaa would close them down because they can not get them to triple the price so they can get more royalists.

198.6.2007 16:51

Originally posted by UbuntuGuy:
P.S. - BTW, AllOfMP3.com is no longer accepting credit cards to either refill balances or buy gift certificates (as of today). Does anyone know if this is a temporary situation or is it something more sinister?
try here
I dunno if its helpful or not
http://www.aom3.org/forum/forumdisplay.p...c689fd95e79&f=7

208.6.2007 19:54

Nice Article. It's all about revenue. Just follow the money. If you estimate the revenue from 5.5 million subscribers who would alternately have to pay a buck a tune vs. 10 or 15 cents, then it's academic. I'm all for allofmp3 because I'm not paying the extra 50% or 80% into the music business (racket) which appears to me to be excessive profit at my expense. If I can find a legal way to get tunes for 10 or 15 cents on the dollar, I will do it.
****Now I would just like to know how to PAY for some more downloads at allofmp3.com. All attempts of mine do not work. I am directed to another site as a substitute, mp3sparks, but I heard that it does not have a download manager (yet?), therefore I am hesitant to transfer my account. Any suggestions from anyone?

218.6.2007 19:59

Originally posted by emoore:
Nice Article. It's all about revenue. Just follow the money. If you estimate the revenue from 5.5 million subscribers who would alternately have to pay a buck a tune vs. 10 or 15 cents, then it's academic. I'm all for allofmp3 because I'm not paying the extra 50% or 80% into the music business (racket) which appears to me to be excessive profit at my expense. If I can find a legal way to get tunes for 10 or 15 cents on the dollar, I will do it.
****Now I would just like to know how to PAY for some more downloads at allofmp3.com. All attempts of mine do not work. I am directed to another site as a substitute, mp3sparks, but I heard that it does not have a download manager (yet?), therefore I am hesitant to transfer my account. Any suggestions from anyone?
check out some of the goggle hits maybe one of the forum posts can help find you the info you need.

http://www.google.com/search?client=fire...G=Google+Search

228.6.2007 23:44

I've had to use XROST cards to use the allofmp3 service for months as my credit cards are long unsupported. When the site is working (not very often) capitalise on it and refill your balance, don't wait until its empty or you could be without the service for several days!

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