AfterDawn: Tech news

Hostel II director blames piracy for poor box office sales

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 19 Jun 2007 19:53 User comments (56)

Hostel II director blames piracy for poor box office sales Hostel: Part II director Eli Roth has blamed the lackluster box office sales of his latest movie on "rampant piracy".
"Piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with unfinished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on online before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally," he said.

He then insulted critics who reviewed a leaked "workprint" copy of the movie that surfaced weeks before the actual release date. "Critics have actually been reviewing the film based off the pirated copy, which is inexcusable," he says. "Some of these critics I have actually known for a few years, and while I wouldn't dignify them by mentioning them by name, I know who they are, as do the studios, and other filmmakers, and they will no longer have any access to any of my films."

As for his future, Roth proclaimed, "I am not directing Cell any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall." He goes on to say that in Hollywood, "the R-rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them anymore, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R-rated horror."

Source:
Cinematic

Previous Next  

56 user comments

119.6.2007 20:03

Ooooooookkkkkkk...so now once again, it is the workprints fault.

Not sure if you know Mr. Roth, but most didn't like your sequel anyways. So like J. Timberlake would say: cry me a river.

Not our fault that you can't keep your $hit together and get trustworthy people ;)

219.6.2007 20:05

Quote:
He goes on to say that in Hollywood, "the R-rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them anymore, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R-rated horror."
Or maybe Hollywood should stop putting out shitty movies. Good movies bring in money, bad movies and sci-fi don't. He is right about one thing though, the internet is killing Hollywoods income. Now when a bad movies comes out the world knows after the first viewing is over instead of after a couple weeks when they had already made their money back before the word got out about how crappy it is.

319.6.2007 20:38

Well i dont know about you guys but Hostel (part 1) was ok at best the concept was good but not taken where it could have gone. I can hear the critics sigh of relief that they dont have to watch then rate a other shity movie


PS: Please dont "direct" (if that what you want to call it) any movie and dont waste your time writing the rest of your crap ass films, let someone else take over and throw them in the shit can.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 19 Jun 2007 @ 20:40

419.6.2007 22:11

psssh aint the workprints faul i agree with venom and every one else the reason it didnt get much of box office hits was b/c it was 2much grousume stuff in it and not enought tna if u kno wut i mean.....

519.6.2007 22:33

to tell u the truth hostel 1 wasnt all that in the box offioce so the second one wasnt gonna get to much at the box office plus eli roth was on howard stern a few weeks ago and i cna tell he seems really big headed after the first one got done so who knows...i certainly didnt see it myself cuz i havent seen the first one and the second one didnt interest me... good way to blame someone but urself i'm sure the release of a pirated copy did hurt a small chunk of his movie sales but i doubt that much of it

619.6.2007 22:37

simple the movie sucked. Piracy is not to blame. I wouldn't even waste the time downloading that garabage.

719.6.2007 22:44
WierdName
Inactive

At first I was going to say "sure, blame another crappy movie on piracy!" But now that I read the actual story instead of just the headline, I'm gonna say "critics actually rated the movie on a workprint that they had to pirate for and that didnt have sound FX, VFX, and unfinished music?! How retarded is that?!"

819.6.2007 23:47

I get a kick out of stuff like this. Now, you make a bad movie, it's Piracy's fault.

Basically, to paraphrase what he's saying, "It's Piracy and the Critics who made for the poor showing. Not the movie because I'm the best Director in the business. Give me another chance. Please."

919.6.2007 23:49
mgoat
Inactive

"Cry me a river", venomX05, I love it!. Seriously though, Roth's stuff is basically porn in another guise, it is quite simply voyeuristic rubbish.
Go back in time and people like Romero could make pretty violent stuff with his "Dead" series and actually imbue the films with plot and sub text, Roth like Uwe Boll just makes bad films.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Jun 2007 @ 15:16

1020.6.2007 0:55

Star Wars Episode 3: Pirated Before Release, Went onto break records in sales.

Spider-Man 3: Pirated Before Release, Went onto break records in sales.

And many others, Pirated Before Release, Went onto break records in sales.

Hostel = Gore Porn, Bad Acting/Story

Hostel 2 = Gore Porn, Bad Acting/Story

Gore Porn + Bad Acting/Story = Bad Sales.

All people like good acting/story, some Gorists like gory movies no matter how bad the acting/story, unfortunately most people like a decent amount of both.

1120.6.2007 1:29

"Piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with unfinished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on online before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally," he said.

OK, didn't I just read an above posting that the MPAA is making a profit? The director is admmiting that the unfinished pirated version that people saw was enough to say "meh, I'm glad I didn't see it in the theather". Spiderman 3 was terrific and I saw it both ways.

I'm glad his picture lost money because the movie was never allowed to be reviewed by critcs. When this happens that means the movie is a waste of time and he want suckers to spend $$$ and find that out the hard way. Next, he'll cry about poor DVD sales when companies like redbox rents DVDs for $1. These machines are even located in Wal-Mart stores.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Jun 2007 @ 1:34

1220.6.2007 2:07

IMDB, on Hostel 1 "Hostel is a badly written, badly directed, terribly shot and (considering the content) remarkably dull and conservative horror film."

Hell, I'd never even heard of this movie before. Eli Roth, go poke yourself in the eye.

--Moomoo2

1320.6.2007 2:42
duckNrun
Inactive

I RENTED Hostel and by the time it was over I and my friends with me said "eh, not that great, not that bad....ok movie due to it being paid for with a free rental coupon"

I knew there was NO WAY I was going to go watch the second one in the theater. And honestly I have NO, none, zip, zero, ziltch plans of renting the second one either. There are some movies that CAN have sequels and then there are the sequels that you KNOW are just basically the same first movie repackaged, re-cast, and re-shot.

My belief, not watching Hostel 2 mind you, is that this is the case for this movie. There is only so much you can do with:

Kidnap American, torture American, American escapes and get revenge on some of the evil tortures in the process.

I mean come on...In one sentence I just made Hostel 2 AND Hostel 3... somebody please give me a couple million for my 'creative genius'!

And the comment about pirated movies that are good still breaking records is sure enuff the truth! Any movie that somebody enjoys watching a crappy cammed recording of will most definately go see the REAL DEAL in the theater... or at least pay the money when it hits rental which means the studio still makes money on this 'pirate'.


How can I be accused of stealing a copy of something if the viewing of said copy (usually a substandard viewing at best!) encourages me to go out and pay for the origional? If we were talking about anything else other than movies and/or music and any other group other than the MPAA and/or RIAA the term piracy would be replaced by the word marketing and the people making them available would be called Agencies and receive millions of dollars for their work.


Somebody needs to tell these bozos in suits to read the following phrase OUT LOUD:

I am we todd did
I am sofa king we todd did

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Jun 2007 @ 2:44

1420.6.2007 3:23

Honestly, how much can you rehash here with part 2? Plus, what the hell were they thinking, releasing it while movies people want to go see are being released, like Spider-man, Pirates, Ocean's 13, Shrek 3, Fantastic Four, and the list goes on and on and on... did they really think that Hostel had the same brand name recognition as the aforementioned?

1520.6.2007 4:27

the sequel to Bad Movie is called Bad Movie II...

I bet its not worth seeing even for free...

1620.6.2007 4:55

Maybe the piracy is responsible that the 1st movie was a total crap too...

I wouldent spend a sec to download this crap....

1720.6.2007 5:23

okay heres how it works mr roth, a leaked workprint is the best advertising ever considering it is free, people download and watch it without sound and visual fx and music and if it is a good watch even without the fx people go watch it at the movies to see how good it is with the fx. sort of like an extended teaser trailer. like someone above said star wars was a record breaker, that leaked and spiderman 3 was available online the same day as its theater release, that was a record breaker too. face it hostel 1 sucked but at least it was kinda original hostel 2 was just shit. i hate it when people think box office numbers of a part 1 are a guage of the movies success. they are not they are just a guage of how much hype was put out before the release and how much was spent on advertising.

1820.6.2007 5:32

So find the leak dummy !!!

I mean...we all have to put up with extra expenses for alarm systems to stop burglars from stealing our private things.

Governments ripping off their own citizens. High Taxes. High Gas prices. Consumers are getting ripped off every which way.

....and your crying now that someone leaked it...and u lost about $1000 in sales....Oh Please.

If your movie is good.....it will sell. Not everyone is a pirate you know....just like not everyone is a jerk off like u.

1920.6.2007 6:17

Originally posted by duckNrun:


How can I be accused of stealing a copy of something if the viewing of said copy (usually a substandard viewing at best!) encourages me to go out and pay for the origional? If we were talking about anything else other than movies and/or music and any other group other than the MPAA and/or RIAA the term piracy would be replaced by the word marketing and the people making them available would be called Agencies and receive millions of dollars for their work.

i think you're really on to something there. only if we were talking abouta nything else other tha movies and/or music, then it would be called shareware. aka try before you buy.

but notice the one thing filmmakers aren't blaming on poor sales is the theaters themselves. I dont know about anyone else, but the theaters around me have gone up quite a bit since january. maybe people are just tired of paying 12 bucks a head to see a craptastic movie.

why doesnt roth just work with the guy that wrote/directed saw... oh yea thats right, cuz they know how to write/direct...

2020.6.2007 7:20

Xomby, that was the point I was trying to get at. Are you going to spend $9 a ticket (probably one for you and a companion, plus more for soda, popcorn, candy) to go see Hostel 2 or any of the other BLOCKBUSTERS that are out right now. Really, the first Hostel was mildly successful because it came out in February, middle of winter, and nothing else was out that week. Roth's head is swelled so big he probably has to walk through doors sideways. People can spot a crap movie a mile away, and when they have a half dozen other choices for spending $50 at the theater, I bet my paycheck they're not going to see Hostel...

2120.6.2007 7:22

your right xomby the theaters have a lot to do with it, heres the problem movie production companys sell the movie to the theater for more $ than they used to in order to make up for lost profits caused by "pirates" (more like crap movies. then the theaters have to charge more to make their profit in turn this then creates more "pirates" why would peple want to spend there hard earned cash ($12 per ticket $12 each for popcorn and drink) only to find the movie sucked, when they can click a button and get it for free, then people like eli roth and the MPAA complain about more lost profits and jack prices up even more to make up for that. sadly they are too stupid to realise they are fighting a loosing battle.

the only redemption they have is from companies like netflix and blockbuster where you pay a set fee and can get as many movies as you want, at least that way if you get something crap you can get another with only a few days wait. really doesnt help the theater releases but then when you ar gonna spend millions on polishing a turd with tv advetising you cant expect people to wait until a movie gets released on dvd so as they can watch it through a online movie rental store.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Jun 2007 @ 7:24

2220.6.2007 7:55

or...maybe cause the first one was pretty stupid....

2320.6.2007 8:10

Quote:
Hostel II director blames piracy for poor box office sales
I blame the shitty movie and marketing. See how well Pirates of the caribbean did?

2420.6.2007 8:20

and the most ridiculous story of the day award goes to.......

2520.6.2007 9:42

hey next time you can get Nokia to sponsor the movie, all youll have to do in return is have that stupid white Nokia phone with the flipping keyboard in about 20% of the shots of the movie (the music video model).

that way youll make chedda even if you suck at keeping your employees from leaking your workprints..


Hostel III: Cell Phone Cancer Edition! comming fall '08

2620.6.2007 11:17

charging more for crappy movies or pirates undercutting the whole industry...mmmmmm

2720.6.2007 11:57
cascadeuk
Inactive

Shouldn't have a womans name should he, In UK Eli is short for Elinor

2820.6.2007 12:11

A lot of people I know don't even go to the movies anymore. They just wait 3-4 months and rent the film in the privacy of their home. Theaters are too expensive and what you get is a room full of obnoxious teenagers playing with their cellphones and blathering to each other.
Many people don't even know how to download movies. If there's a movie they want to see in theaters, generally they'll go, if the movie's pirated or not.

I didn't pass on Hostel II because of the workprint, I'm just going to rent the BD in the fall and watch it on my 46" LCD with no audience noise (except my own). I can imagine the horrors of the Hostel audience on opening weekend; it's scarier than the movie. ;)

I do agree about his PG-13 horror movie rant, but he only wants people to see his film.

2920.6.2007 12:35

I thought the whole PG13 thing was to sell/show it to a larger audience,thats why R always has a hard time in sales....

3020.6.2007 12:37

Yeah really, we have a budget movie theater here that charges $2 per ticket for 2nd run movies (for instance, 300 is there now.) I either wait to see it there or on DVD. If it's a "must see" event, such as Transformers in a few weeks, I'll pay full price and possibly buy the DVD later on. If I'm on the fence for seeing it or miss it at the budget shows, that's what Netflix and my 42" HDTV and surround sound are for. Speaking of which, our local theater placed a ban on kids under 18 for weekends: they have to be accompanied by an adult to ALL SHOWS. Now, I don't have to put up with their texting and annoying behavior!

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Jun 2007 @ 12:38

3120.6.2007 13:49

In no way shape or form was the first nor this revisit a movie that made you want to see it on the big screen. No big screen appeal = poor turnout every time. There have been a pile of movies that received critical acclaim and tanked on the big screen just because they were not BIG SCREEN movies. There have been a pile of poorly reviewed movies that did very well because they had that "gotta see that on the big screen" appeal.

As for piracy tanking it... I can think of a few people who would ask for a refund on their bandwidth with this turkey.

3220.6.2007 14:13

Has this dumb mother****er even watched this movie???!!! ITS TERRIBLE!!!

Plot: Same as Hostel I except:
1.Switch the guys in the first movie with girls.
2.Drag the storyline out with parties, like the first movie.
3.Have really dumb scenes of how the people get killed...
4...and dont have too many of them (for budget reasons).
5.Much less blood and gore (for budget reasons).
6.An asinine ending that makes you go W-T-F???!!! Are you ****ing KIDDING?????

3320.6.2007 15:22
Yere
Inactive

Hostel-2 was not a good movie so do not blame Piracy on that...You need to take a lot of time off...I like Hostel-1 it was a nice movie.

3420.6.2007 17:10

absolute rubbish.

3520.6.2007 19:03

The poor sales are because the second one sucked. Word-of-mouth is a powerful tool.

3620.6.2007 19:03

it has very little actual gore, and not nearly enough nudity (if you dont put lots of gore and lots of nudity into a horror movie then it sucks, no exceptions). despite the previously stated shortcomings i still think this is a pretty decent movie, as a suspense movie. not sure if i would have actually paid money to see it, but then again im not sure id pay money to see 99% of the crap i download.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 20 Jun 2007 @ 19:13

3720.6.2007 19:42

well he sure is full of himself isn't he?

and hostel was a thinly veiled excuse for sadistic tendencies and hostel II is even worse. these horror films are usually cult favorites anyway and not mainstream. the only reason Saw was so popular was because there was a fascinating psychology there within the plot. hostel has no such depth. whatever. not even worth pirating.

3821.6.2007 0:07

hostel is just one of those movies where the idea had so much potential, but the movie really sucked, both movies...

3921.6.2007 0:41

When your movie sucks, blame someone else :)

He *thinks* it makes him look better,

4021.6.2007 5:22

boohoo. i think hostell is a stupid franchise. hope they dont make another one.

4121.6.2007 5:28
MrCairo
Inactive

Regardless of how good or bad his (or any film) is...it's crap that it was leaked, and I can't imagine any critic using an unfinished product as source material. That is inexcusable imo

While I thought the 1st movie had it's moments, it did have the advantage of hype and timing (February) to help drive sales. As well as being "new".

But one thing he mentioned that I completely, 100% agree with is the lack of support from the studios for good R-Rated horror movies. I'm SICK of being pummeled with watered down pg-13 pieces of crap!

That's not to say there aren't any good pg-13 films. Disturbia was quite fun and well done for what it was...but there should be more serious, harder edged, rated R films. Specifically "horror" films, action movies seem to do fine, easily receiving an R rating by showing a few people getting blown away...so why not Horror films?

That all said, Story "can" trump graphics and effects...but rarely. As stories of that caliber are few and far between. So we, the fans of Horror rely on graphic special effects to drive our thrills and chills. So when you (the studio) gives us both a weak story AND a weak rating, it's a lose - lose situation.

So I have to agree with Roth, Support your R Rated Horror films (and R rated films across the board lol)...say No to the pg13 limp studio driven drivel they try to ram down our throats.

Can you really imagine Halloween as a pg13 film? /shudder

Regards,

MC

(btw Cabin Fever was incredible imo, Roth has talent...but I think he needs to get from under the "torture" umbrella and on to other aspects of horror. And for those that don't know, Hostel 2 is the same premise as the 1st, only dealing with a group of girls this time. Was planning to see it but it left my local theaters too fast...unfortunate)

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 21 Jun 2007 @ 5:44

4221.6.2007 10:27

i watched the first 5 minutes of the workprint, and after seeing the lame double death of the main character from the original Hostel i thought "Mhh" and just left it?

poor

4321.6.2007 12:46

human nature innit ? blame anyone else but yourself.

in this case a shit director with shit for brains releases a shitty movie and is too arrogant to recognise his own crappiness so blames the pirates.

4421.6.2007 14:51
plastruk
Inactive

Its not piracy thats kicking the box office its the COST. I went the other day to see Spiderman 3 with my daughter. $16 for 1 adult and a child... $13 for 2 drinks and a popcorn. Are they Kidding? Who the heck is going to do that regularly? Most people have to work half a day to pay for a 1 and a half hour movie. What a rip off... try making it affordable and more people will go. Theres no way to beat the sound and large screen of a movie theatre but my tv will do just fine.

4521.6.2007 15:28

Originally posted by plastruk:
Its not piracy thats kicking the box office its the COST. I went the other day to see Spiderman 3 with my daughter. $16 for 1 adult and a child... $13 for 2 drinks and a popcorn. Are they Kidding? Who the heck is going to do that regularly? Most people have to work half a day to pay for a 1 and a half hour movie. What a rip off... try making it affordable and more people will go. Theres no way to beat the sound and large screen of a movie theatre but my tv will do just fine.
the cost is stupid,god forbid they would lower proffering a bit and the influx from more people to see a 4$ movie and 4$ single ,10$ family of 4,or 25$ for 4 tickes drinks and snaks to adults flat fee for drinks/snacks, they can do it,they can do something they just don't want to and hollywood loves overcharging the theaters to boot.

4621.6.2007 20:34

Not to mention the theaters treat their employees like shit. I've had 5 friends decide to work at a theater and they all quick before their 90 days was up because they got treated so bad. Greedy bastards will do anything to make money, charge as high a price as you can and keep bringing in new employees so you don't have to give senior employees raises.

4721.6.2007 20:50

From wat my cousin told me it is totally not worth anything he told me not to waste my time or money so either way i am not downloading or paying for this.

4821.6.2007 21:08

I liked Hostel, but felt no need to see Hostel II. Not sure why, or even if it matters. Never saw it (sorry) and IDGARA.

4922.6.2007 2:59
bmfuk
Inactive

perhaps it may have something to do with the film being shite?

5022.6.2007 14:19

Your movie is shite son.People wouldnt even download it for free. Punk mutha fker

5122.6.2007 15:30
hughjars
Inactive

Of course, they keep trying to flog adults endless imagination-free sequels and/or movies aimed as suitable for very young teenage kids and then they wonder why it doesn't attract an audience.

Yeah riiiiiiiiight, of course, it's those pesky 'pirates'.

Best excuse going atm I guess. Idiots.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 22 Jun 2007 @ 15:32

5223.6.2007 8:51

I wholly agree with Footie979's review.

Not only do I refuse to see movies in the theatres for the cost, but also for the noise factor! And it's not only kids I have to ask to shut up. I simply wait for the movies to come to either the cheap theatre (we also have a cheap theatre that charges only $5 all seats rather than the $13) or video (I usually wait for the video).

I myself usually only copy my own movies for backup (and I don't care who "pirates" them either) and I am sick and tired of these movie people complaining about the piracy. Don't they make enough money on their own? I guess million dollars profit (collectively) isn't enough.

5323.6.2007 11:33

These movies have no class and I wont pay for such trash nor do they carry anything scary.His movie really cant carry its own so he would rather pass the blame somewhere else to feel better.I dont see anything wrong with toning things down as to most of those R-rated movies dont much of a plot they just throw gore at us and expect a great response.Hollywood has been pumping this crap so long people are getting use to it now and it doesnt raise us up to really say I have to see that movie.I for one am glad there wont be anymore movies out of him for some time.Hey maybe by the time he comes out from hiding there will be some better horror movies out that will entertain and thrill us not just kill with no plot and act like a walking dead movie.I did like the old walking dead movie it was just the first and it did it best on a meager budget and unknown actors it scared and did what these copycats are trying to do today but miss so bad.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 23 Jun 2007 @ 11:34

5423.6.2007 14:42

Blaming the bad box office return on a pirated copy being out there ? Sounds good...think anyone else will believe that ? Then he goes on to say he won't make any more movies for a while. Ever hear of The Sour Grapes ? An example of this would be when you were a kid and couldn't get what you wanted so you claim it probably wasn't any good anyway. That sounds kind of what he is doing here. I'm not getting good returns on my movies so I won't make anymore for a while...oh and the PG-13 rating is killing the R-rated horror films....please.
There was a pirated copy of the last Star Wars movie out there before it even went into the theater and that didn't stop Star Wars from making a chunk of change. Why doesn't he blame it on the fact that it was a mediocre movie ? I'll tell you what though I have always loved the way Quentin Tarantino makes his movies go from one movie type to another. For example; From Dusk Till Dawn started out as an action adventure and ended up a vampire movie. That was great. I don't want to spoil it for you all but this one starts off as a horror movie and ends as a comedy...which is truly awesome...unless they didn't mean it to be like that.

554.7.2007 8:51

Hostel 2 was complete crap. No character development. No suspense like the first move. Weak all around. Pirates would do the people involved in this movie by stealing the film reels from the theaters. Spare moviegoers from an hour an a half of B grade nonsense.


"Is that 3 thousand dollar bounty on the shark in cash or check?"

"We can do it the easy way...Or we can do it the REAL easy way."

564.7.2007 21:34

They let this seriously bland gory dribble into theaters, no problem.
but they ban manhunt 2 for ps3/wii?? ARGH!


~Xomby

Comments have been disabled for this article.

News archive