Sounds good! Cheaper to make that way.

I didn't know that they were making a 80GB version :S

'Guess I'll be saving up for that one now.

Will be released in August - $599 for 80GB and Motorstorm package. So 20GB more storage and game for an extra $100.

Well I guess that's an ok deal... What's an extra 20GBs worth?

And it sounds like your going to get the rumble controler with the 80gb ver..

Hmm that would be cool. But from what ive read the rumble controller is still a work in progress. Dont think it would be ready in 1 month but who knows. Guess just look forward to the Sony Conference at E3!

the ps3 is looking very promising
cant wait til they convince me to buy one

The PS3 can be the best system out there, but there just isn't anything to show that yet. Hopefully, there will be.

It also means, just like the Xbox 360, the PS3 will not be backward compatible with all previous games.

yea theres been plenty of time to release a groundbreaking game or something..but nah
cant wait for that to happen tho

Originally posted by gallagher:

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It also means, just like the Xbox 360, the PS3 will not be backward compatible with all previous games.

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What do you mean? With updates, the list can get bigger and bigger each time.

I have mixed feelings about it,BWC should be a integral part the system by doing it this way they can wonder off at anytime leaving BWC broken or at 70%.

As long as sony works on BWC and dose not abaonded it its ok,but in this quick cash sort sighted age...it just gives me a headache to think about it...

what is the difference between 60gb and this one? i mean no backwards compatibility? i thought psONE and ps2 games worked on the 60gb one. Why would people buy the 80gb if it's not going to be backwards compatible without updates?????? :S

Originally posted by Jay05:

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what is the difference between 60gb and this one? i mean no backwards compatibility? i thought psONE and ps2 games worked on the 60gb one. Why would people buy the 80gb if it's not going to be backwards compatible without updates?????? :S

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No,the 20 and 60GB units in the US have the PS2 chip in them they are 50-80% BWC with all PS2/PSX games,without the chip they have the back track a bit and BWC is cut to 30-50%.

the EU 20GB (or was it 60) is without the chip as well as other areas outside of Japan and north America.

its not a bad thing its bit better than the 360s we a whole 25% BWC thing going >>

But I stress SOny could drop it at any time............

Hmm... Wii is backward compatible with ALL Gamecube games and the controllers to boot!

So BWC is bad?

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Sony is truly pulling out all the stops right now. All we need is for them to drop a few quality games and they will start marking noise.

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So BWC is bad?

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Not at all,BWC or BackWard Compatibility is a good thing and helps bolsters the libary of the system,last I check it goes soemthign like this
Wii: 100% GC

(these are my estimates)
PS3 with chip
PSX 80%
PS2 90%

Without chip
PSX 50%
PS2 60%

360 (due to MS switching vid chip sets they screwed over BWC to save a buck)
Xbox 30-40%
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My main fear is that sony would drop BWC at around 70% and move on to putting money into another department.

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Originally posted by Jay05:

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So BWC is bad?

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Not at all,BWC or BackWard Compatibility is a good thing and helps bolsters the libary of the system,last I check it goes soemthign like this
Wii: 100% GC

(these are my estimates)
PS3 with chip
PSX 80%
PS2 90%

Without chip
PSX 50%
PS2 60%

360 (due to MS switching vid chip sets they screwed over BWC to save a buck)
Xbox 30-40%
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My main fear is that sony would drop BWC at around 70% and move on to putting money into another department.

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Well isnt that what most of yall who said Sony was jipping the hell out of you with cost wanted. For them to go out their way to cut cost for them and you to make it more attractive.

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Originally posted by Jay05:

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So BWC is bad?

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Not at all,BWC or BackWard Compatibility is a good thing and helps bolsters the libary of the system,last I check it goes soemthign like this
Wii: 100% GC

(these are my estimates)
PS3 with chip
PSX 80%
PS2 90%

Without chip
PSX 50%
PS2 60%

360 (due to MS switching vid chip sets they screwed over BWC to save a buck)
Xbox 30-40%
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My main fear is that sony would drop BWC at around 70% and move on to putting money into another department.

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Well isnt that what most of yall who said Sony was jipping the hell out of you with cost wanted. For them to go out their way to cut cost for them and you to make it more attractive.[/quote]
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thats a rather arrogant statement its liek if the 360 came out with the old chipset and had 100% BWC then suddenly switched to the new chipset to save moeny and not pass it on and BWC is nearly broken.

Sony started off spewing poo from the throne,they should have started the system off at 20GB minus the wireless crap sold it for 399 and sold all the add ons for 70 a pop but now they are forced to lower the price because of the glut of systems waffeing in retail and the slow sales of something hat should be selling like the WII, its sonys fault for being arrogant enough to try and release a 600+ system without any care what it would do to their brand.

well aren't they losing money from the ps3? i mean they are introducing bluray aren't they?

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Sony is losing a bunch of $$$ on the PS3

(BTW the No chip PS3 uses emulation to run games and as long as sony backs the upgrading of it ,it can go 100% and add extra filtering and other video/speed hacks to make games play better)

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well aren't they losing money from the ps3? i mean they are introducing bluray aren't they?

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yes they are at the same doing a large shift with a console(like makign a new console or going to a higher standered) is going to cost lots of money MS lots b/m illions on the Xbox and lots some on the 360 but they get that money back,sony risked big and its not paid off yet,they should have built the PS3 without the wireless stuff thats almsot 200 right there, that with a 399 price point would have made the PS3 be out of stock and sell like hotcakes,and since it would be sold out they would be making their money from the advancement of BR and off games,lets face it if sony had the foresight to price point the PS3 right it would have been like the WII and probably won the HDVD/BR war.

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PS3 backward compatibility with emulation is already really good if you install the latest firmware, making the need for the Emotion Engine obsolete. Just check their site for a complete overview.

As to leaving out wifi and the like I have a different opinion. I love the fact they put everything in the box from the get-go, even if it ups the price. That way I don't have to go through the hassle of installing extra stuff and everything works out of the box.

Originally posted by kyo28:

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PS3 backward compatibility with emulation is already really good if you install the latest firmware, making the need for the Emotion Engine obsolete. Just check their site for a complete overview.

As to leaving out wifi and the like I have a different opinion. I love the fact they put everything in the box from the get-go, even if it ups the price. That way I don't have to go through the hassle of installing extra stuff and everything works out of the box.

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Yeah, BUT YOU ALSO PAY A LOT FOR IT TOO! The point was, that if they had of introduced a CHEAPER system, they would not be in the hole they are now trying to dig theirselves out of with the PS3.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a cheaper console and a more expensive console if you want to upgrade. People should be given a CHOICE....unless you think you own the world like Sony did and was proven wrong. Sony in their arrogance, thought they could just charge any price they wanted and everyone would still go for it....but as it turns out, only the fanboys have been loyal so far!

guys tell me......

Why u all said that PS3 without BWC is better than PS3 with BWC !!!

will sony drop $$???

does this improve Ps3 ???

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Originally posted by sado0og:

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guys tell me......

Why u all said that PS3 without BWC is better than PS3 with BWC !!!

will sony drop $$???

does this improve Ps3 ???

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It depends on what kind of gamer you are if you are still a owner of old PS2 & PS1 titles then it would be great to have BWC but if you don't care for old last gen titles then it really don't mean anything to you.

Originally posted by Zippy:

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I have mixed feelings about it,BWC should be a integral part the system by doing it this way they can wonder off at anytime leaving BWC broken or at 70%.

As long as sony works on BWC and dose not abaonded it its ok,but in this quick cash sort sighted age...it just gives me a headache to think about it...

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I don't see Sony droping BWC because they have stay true to BWC since they started making consoles.Plus there are still some good titles still to come on PS2,like Manhunt 2

Well it says there going to do it on the software end and not the hardware end. So if they write the software correctly BWC should be around 60-70% while saving money to boot.

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Originally posted by kyo28:

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PS3 backward compatibility with emulation is already really good if you install the latest firmware, making the need for the Emotion Engine obsolete. Just check their site for a complete overview.

As to leaving out wifi and the like I have a different opinion. I love the fact they put everything in the box from the get-go, even if it ups the price. That way I don't have to go through the hassle of installing extra stuff and everything works out of the box.

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Yeah, BUT YOU ALSO PAY A LOT FOR IT TOO! The point was, that if they had of introduced a CHEAPER system, they would not be in the hole they are now trying to dig theirselves out of with the PS3.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a cheaper console and a more expensive console if you want to upgrade. People should be given a CHOICE....unless you think you own the world like Sony did and was proven wrong. Sony in their arrogance, thought they could just charge any price they wanted and everyone would still go for it....but as it turns out, only the fanboys have been loyal so far!

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Why do yall keep saying you dont have a choice. You do have a choice to buy or not to buy. Its the same MO as all the games companies and mainly Sony and M$. M$ screws you with repeated systems that are partly done and make those of you loyalist spend more money for a system that they will say hey we still more to add on the next one. All Sony did was hit you up in the beginning and possibly with the rumble controller later. I dont have a problem with that. I rather have up front charges then hidden im slap you in the head later with charges.

you PS3 nutters are missing a glaring point,its like the 360 fools that think nothing of the fail rates or the fact the 360 steals PC games.

Becuse of that high cost and the high architecture on it DEVS WONT WANT TO MAKE GAMES FOR IT,without the 3rd party games what dose the PS3 because? a GC thats what it becomes,it will have a few good titles but bear bones if any really good 3rd party support since everyone is goign to the WII.

SO basically the PS3 becomes something like a cross between the Xbox and the GC with a BR player..this is impressive...not...

This means if you dont have the US PS3 and you decide to mod your system
you may not have BWC on all games since it seems Sony will be doing what they do with the PSP and release firmware updates often

Originally posted by plutonash:

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This means if you dont have the US PS3 and you decide to mod your system
you may not have BWC on all games since it seems Sony will be doing what they do with the PSP and release firmware updates often

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meh its no worse than the 360,with the systems connected to the net you'll have to get 2...it defeats the purpose of being cheap tho LOL

I heard there might be more features stripped out from 80 GB modell other than just emotion chip. How about this? Does anyone think 80 GB PS3 will include rumble controller?

Originally posted by leif24:

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I heard there might be more features stripped out from 80 GB modell other than just emotion chip. How about this? Does anyone think 80 GB PS3 will include rumble controller?

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Some reports said it will be with it but who knows until they make it official.

if sony take off that EE, ad make PS3 get more price cut, maybe 50-100USD,

it good,

but sony take off EE without lowering the ps3 price.

btw BWC for PS1 games in PS2 is also no 100%, i can tpnay Xenogears on myu PS2 :D

Originally posted by jutsu:

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if sony take off that EE, ad make PS3 get more price cut, maybe 50-100USD,

it good,

but sony take off EE without lowering the ps3 price.

btw BWC for PS1 games in PS2 is also no 100%, i can tpnay Xenogears on myu PS2 :D

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PSX is 70-90 PS2 is alil less I think,in any case its not perfect but they can do somethign with it.

NexGen76
oh please look at the current state of the industry with all the back sliding and double speak going on do you really think they would fully support it? I believe they will drop it the first minute they get the chance and claim BWC is not needed or other BS.

with BWC being highly dependent on the net,it just adds up to they should have had BWC ready at launch,the chip should not need to be removed they should have removed the wireless stuff and drop the price to 399 to help build the brand back up..

and yes I am still pissed about the Xbox nya nya nya on BWC,fing morons.....
:P

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NexGen76
oh please look at the current state of the industry with all the back sliding and double speak going on do you really think they would fully support it? I believe they will drop it the first minute they get the chance and claim BWC is not needed or other BS.

with BWC being highly dependent on the net,it just adds up to they should have had BWC ready at launch,the chip should not need to be removed they should have removed the wireless stuff and drop the price to 399 to help build the brand back up..

and yes I am still pissed about the Xbox nya nya nya on BWC,fing morons.....
:P

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But you got to get to some point Zippy & see that the system is Nexgen not Past Gen.You got to move on sometime don't you think & stop living in the Past.

Originally posted by Jay05:

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what is the difference between 60gb and this one?

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- It's $600 compared to $500.

So $100 and 20gb of HDD as far as I can make out.

.......but I don't see any big fuss about $100 for just 20gbs of HDD, funny that, eh?

I just might get the 80GB... Still not too sure...

An extra 20Gb will come in handy if someone ever cracks the firmware... IF ever...

Originally posted by vinny13:

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I just might get the 80GB... Still not too sure...

An extra 20Gb will come in handy if someone ever cracks the firmware... IF ever...

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dude...160GB drives that can work in the PS3 are like 100 by themselfs....

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I just might get the 80GB... Still not too sure...

An extra 20Gb will come in handy if someone ever cracks the firmware... IF ever...

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dude...160GB drives that can work in the PS3 are like 100 by themselfs....

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Where?

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Originally posted by vinny13:

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I just might get the 80GB... Still not too sure...

An extra 20Gb will come in handy if someone ever cracks the firmware... IF ever...

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dude...160GB drives that can work in the PS3 are like 100 by themselfs....

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Where?[/quote]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...tk=&srchInDesc=

the lowest price is 109,the highest 180,,sony should plan ahead a bit they make thier own drives or at least get them cheap in volume so "100" for it is reasonable.

Wow, they got a 120GB HDD for $69.99!

I think it's sold out though :P

Originally posted by vinny13:

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Wow, they got a 120GB HDD for $69.99!

I think it's sold out though :P

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:P

ya HDDs are getting cheaper :P

Well its good to see the improvement and that it is still going to be compatible with the older versions of the Playstations.

Originally posted by borhan9:

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Well its good to see the improvement and that it is still going to be compatible with the older versions of the Playstations.

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hardly a improvement out of the box side to side the one without the EE chip dose 20-30% less PSX/PS2 games,they can improve it over time but sony bing sony will drop it first chance they get.

a bit of interesting news I found,altho its hard to tell which PR head is speaking the truth...

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/1...-clarification/