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Sony drops PS3 price by $100 in United States, Europe next?

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 08 Jul 2007 23:27 User comments (77)

Sony drops PS3 price by $100 in United States, Europe next? Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has made a smart move on Monday by dropping the retail price of its PlayStation 3 (PS3) console by $100, to $499, in the United States. The move comes just two days ahead of the E3 games conference in Santa Monica, California. The PS3, which features a 60GB hard disk drive (HDD), has had a very shaky start since last year's launch in North America, marred by poor sales performance and production problems.
The price drop puts the PS3 price just $20 ahead of Microsoft's most expensive Xbox 360 model (Elite). "Our initial expectation is that sales should double at a minimum," Jack Tretton, chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment America, said in an interview. "We've gotten our production issues behind us on the PlayStation 3, reaching a position to pass on the savings to consumers, and our attitude is the sooner the better."

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter does not believe the price drop will double hardware sales, but could instead reach increases of about 50%, to 120,000 units per month. While a great improvement, it would still look bad in comparison to the sales performance of Nintendo's Wii console, which still only costs half the price of the PlayStation 3.

"The greater significance is that Sony is signaling to the market that we're coming down the cost curve pretty fast in making this thing. It's a pretty consumer-friendly move," Pachter said. Rumors are now surfacing that Microsoft will quickly respond during E3 to the PS3 price cut, by making the first official cuts to the price of Xbox 360 units.

Sony is also preparing to introduce an 80GB version of the PS3 which includes a copy of Motorstorm, a million-selling off-road racing game. That model will cost customers $600. Sony also hopes to try appeal to customers who have considered an Xbox 360 as their best option. Microsoft recently set aside $1 billion to repair early Xbox 360 units that have a very high failure rate.

UPDATE: GamesIndustry.biz has been contacted by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) informing them that a major announcement will be made regarding the PlayStation 3 this Thursday at the E3 Media and Business Summit. While a spokesperson would not elaborate any further at this time, it was revealed that it is related to the announcement of a PS3 price drop in the United States made earlier today. New European deals coming?

Sources:
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77 user comments

18.7.2007 23:37

hey.. they really did it

29.7.2007 0:40

Nice, they finally lowered the price. But that doesn't change the fact, that here in Finland, PS3 still costs 620-720, which is 843-979US$...

39.7.2007 0:46

Yep, as a European I felt compelled to mention that no price drop has come to Europe. Ireland, UK and Finland are particularly bad.... Ireland is 629 for PS3, Finland I heard is extremely high in areas. There is no need for that sort of exploitation. Still tho, I just "mentioned it" because aD is a company based in Europe, I didn't blast Sony for it, I try to keep my bias to myself ;-)

49.7.2007 2:36
punkgoku
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A $100 price drop (for the US) does not seem brave enough in regards to a global marketing assualt for a console that at this stage (in my opinion) lacks any stella games that cannot be found on the 360.
Sony needs to pull a brave pricedrop in order to increase its feeble PS3 userbase, they also need to make japanese developers do for the PS3 what they did
for the original playstation, produce new game ideas with new technology or "revolutionizing" old game series with the PS3's superior hardware. Stimilulating this activity with company incentives throughout the japanese industry is a must for sony.
Though its another topic of discussion, if sony implement the right strategies they should not feel too threatened by microsoft who are promoting a far too "PC" game orientated console to truly take the global market.

59.7.2007 3:34

So its 100 less in the states big whoop,a global strategy will only get them out of the hole they are in,they need to set the world wide price point to no more than 700USD and deal with the poo they have been pushing on consumers.

The reason why teh PSP has failed,bad games high price and lack of UDM movies that should be 9.99 a pop and adding to all new sony DVDs and raise the cost of the DVDs to 1$ you can't pull a brand out of thin air and make it popular..

My point is they have managed to run the PS brand into the ground,the price is ridiculous add to it the complacated nature of the PS3 architecture and more devs will go to the WII just because its easy to code for like the PSX/PS2 was, and that is where the PSX/PS2 got most of tis game from the 3rd partys, sony needs to drop the PS3 to 400 in the US and japan and get ready for another 2 billion loss as they rebuild the brand and fight dirty (lower prices) in order to make the system look better to the populace,without people waiting it not many devs will want to dev for it,while the PS3 is in better shape than the Saturn was its still on life support.....
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"Our initial expectation is that sales should double at a minimum," Jack Tretton, chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment America, said in an interview.
WTFH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
you lower it to 400 it would double you lower to 500 it might sale30% more ....WTF are you morons smokeing!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

"We've gotten our production issues behind us on the PlayStation 3, reaching a position to pass on the savings to consumers, and our attitude is the sooner the better."
No your attitude is we will get these sheeple for everythign they have oh wait their not buying lets lower it a little in a couple markets that will get us some money....while our rep sinks slowly into the ground...you morons are killing the fvking BRAND!!!!!!!!!!!

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69.7.2007 4:59

I don't think Microsoft would ignore this either.
Expect a price war right now...

79.7.2007 5:02
hughjars
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$100 is never going to be anywhere near enough
(and as someone has already implied it is not a price cut in all markets either).

Especially when Microsoft (and maybe Nintendo with a little sweetner) move to counter this move.

It'll be the launch all over again, the small pool of would-be buyers that were waiting for this will move and shift some units and then sales will fall back down the cliff.

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89.7.2007 5:03

Originally posted by ChromeMud:
I don't think Microsoft would ignore this either.
Expect a price war right now...
Rumors abound of a 199 core unit,so one could see a Xmas drop of 100 for the 360,but since the PS3 is above the 450 mark they don't really have to, altho I must say new CPU/GPU+100 off =299 premiums,now thats something to droll for!

the onyl thing better would be a 149.99 wii :P

99.7.2007 5:05

Originally posted by Dela:
Yep, as a European I felt compelled to mention that no price drop has come to Europe. Ireland, UK and Finland are particularly bad.... Ireland is 629 for PS3, Finland I heard is extremely high in areas. There is no need for that sort of exploitation. Still tho, I just "mentioned it" because aD is a company based in Europe, I didn't blast Sony for it, I try to keep my bias to myself ;-)
Just give it time DELA i hope this is a worldwide thing but some reason i don't for right now because PS3 sales are slow in the US & Japan but strong in Europe.But im sure there is going to be a price cut there before the holidays.

109.7.2007 5:07

If I didn't have a 360 already I'd consider buying an Elite. This price drop by Sony would have me making a hard choice between the two consoles. The huge ace in the hole MS has for it's console is the large catalog of games, IMO. Sony has got this gaming/BR machine that's cheaper than any stand alone BR player. Tempting.

119.7.2007 5:14

War is good.
Expand the market,make more money off games,it's all good.
My 360 will be 2 years old this December,Bless!

129.7.2007 5:18

Sony to announce new PS3 Euro deals

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26501

There you go DELA give it time im sure Sony know that they need a price cut a cross the board period one region not going to help them...


No plans to cut 360 price in Japan - Microsoft

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26504

This would be poor timing for Microsoft after the 3 year 1 billion dollar warranty loss.Also a 317 million dollar loss last qt in the gaming department you can expect a price drop from them by the holidays but i don't see it being no more than 50 bucks.

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149.7.2007 5:42

Originally posted by Dela:
Updated news article: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10326.cfm[/quote]

Dela
exxelant!
thank you for your work!

159.7.2007 5:59
BIGnewb
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so they didnt even drop the price in canada?i thought this was going to be a north american price drop =[

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169.7.2007 6:10

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
so they didnt even drop the price in canada?i thought this was going to be a north american price drop =[
looks like they are doing it bit by bit.

179.7.2007 6:40

Sony is definitely pushing for holiday sales. Which is a good thing. I would buy one especially if their new controller is hot.

189.7.2007 6:55

Ok, so now Blueray will win for sure. I'll be getting a PS3 eventually, when hits like MGS4 and GT5 arrive.

199.7.2007 7:33

I wonder how much of Microsoft's decision to offer "free" warranty service for all their broken 360s was about gearing up for Sony's price drop.

209.7.2007 7:46

Their "big announcement" at E3 will most likely, in my opinion, be about the fact that they've figured out how to put rumble into the PS3 SIXAXIS controller.

219.7.2007 7:53

Originally posted by punkgoku:
A $100 price drop (for the US) does not seem brave enough in regards to a global marketing assualt for a console that at this stage (in my opinion) lacks any stella games that cannot be found on the 360.
Great games aren't going to make me buy a system that has a high chance of burning up and failing. This is a good start for Sony. The titles will come, and possibly just as MS's smaller chip comes out and has been tested by the consumers. By 2008, there my be some fierce competition between the two companies. Sony already has solid hardware, and MS may be there next year. It will be up to Sony to get some more quality titles out if they want to stay alive. Good move by them though.

229.7.2007 9:31

smart movie by sony for $500 USD you can get the ps3 with 5 free Blu-ray movies

239.7.2007 10:12

Way to go Sony, now your going to win. Everyone knows how well the last $500 ps3 sold. LMAO

249.7.2007 10:36

Fuck it, i want the 360 price to come down a little.

259.7.2007 10:43

Originally posted by prodigy42:
Fck it, i want the 360 price to come down a little.

fix your language or a mod will remove it or you,the 360 should come down in price between now and Xmas.
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269.7.2007 11:35
vinny13
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Quote:
Originally posted by punkgoku:
A $100 price drop (for the US) does not seem brave enough in regards to a global marketing assualt for a console that at this stage (in my opinion) lacks any stella games that cannot be found on the 360.
Great games aren't going to make me buy a system that has a high chance of burning up and failing. This is a good start for Sony. The titles will come, and possibly just as MS's smaller chip comes out and has been tested by the consumers. By 2008, there my be some fierce competition between the two companies. Sony already has solid hardware, and MS may be there next year. It will be up to Sony to get some more quality titles out if they want to stay alive. Good move by them though.
I agree. I think this could be 1 good move of many to come... At least I hope :)

279.7.2007 11:52

its about time they lowerd the price
now the have to get more games

289.7.2007 12:03
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Quote:
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Originally posted by punkgoku:
A $100 price drop (for the US) does not seem brave enough in regards to a global marketing assualt for a console that at this stage (in my opinion) lacks any stella games that cannot be found on the 360.
Great games aren't going to make me buy a system that has a high chance of burning up and failing. This is a good start for Sony. The titles will come, and possibly just as MS's smaller chip comes out and has been tested by the consumers. By 2008, there my be some fierce competition between the two companies. Sony already has solid hardware, and MS may be there next year. It will be up to Sony to get some more quality titles out if they want to stay alive. Good move by them though.
I agree. I think this could be 1 good move of many to come... At least I hope :)[/quote]Hi, first post, go easy,

It is definitely a good move by Sony as the price is the main reason really why they are lacking in sales. The PS3 looks better than the 360 & the technology is better, with the addition of some more games there isn't really any competition with any other console because they have jumped so far ahead.

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299.7.2007 12:25

Quote:
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Originally posted by punkgoku:
A $100 price drop (for the US) does not seem brave enough in regards to a global marketing assualt for a console that at this stage (in my opinion) lacks any stella games that cannot be found on the 360.
Great games aren't going to make me buy a system that has a high chance of burning up and failing. This is a good start for Sony. The titles will come, and possibly just as MS's smaller chip comes out and has been tested by the consumers. By 2008, there my be some fierce competition between the two companies. Sony already has solid hardware, and MS may be there next year. It will be up to Sony to get some more quality titles out if they want to stay alive. Good move by them though.
I agree. I think this could be 1 good move of many to come... At least I hope :)[/quote]Hi, first post, go easy,

It is definitely a good move by Sony as the price is the main reason really why they are lacking in sales. The PS3 looks better than the 360 & the technology is better, with the addition of some more games there isn't really any competition with any other console because they have jumped so far ahead.

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reality check..
the PS3 only looks better than the first wave of 360 games a year after launch the 360 games are pretty a match to the PS3,mostly due to the odd architecture of the systems,the PS3 dose make physics better but they have already hit a wall with graphics,like it matters much a 20 foot wall dose not need to go higher(if the PS3 is 20 feet the 360 is 18 and 1/5 and gettign better every few months) don't get me wrong the PS3 is a bit more coherent in its standards and hardware but its not 200$ more worth it,remember the price diffrance in them is BR which makes the PS3 about 300 more than it really should be.

Since the WII is the king of cheap production game wise you wont see a lot of the 3rd party games that made the PSX/PS2 the system it was , the PS3 has become something like the 360, only instead of stealing computer games it will have a lot of multi platform games and alot of stale high graphic franchises.

Really things are looking bad for the PS3,things might pan out but I have a feeling it will be half the console it was.....
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309.7.2007 13:01
BIGnewb
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Don't complain that Playstation 3 costs too much.Let's be real and look at all aspects.The Playstation 3 already includes a Blu-ray Player in it.For the xbox360 you must purchase the add-on, am i not right?xbox 360 will cost the same price with the attachment you will need to work the newer games VI HD-DVD attachment running for $150+ making it the same price as the Playstation 3 big pack or more then its less pack making the PLAYSTATION 3 the smart choice!want proof?http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000JHO4L0 and also that is in us dollars.imagine how much that is!

Also Playstation 3 just dropped it's price :D VERY NICE!

One thing, i think sony will win the console war because it has blu ray and that gives the ability for game developers to produce longer game play and high definition content to the highest degree blu ray optical drive is the next chapter of entertainment, as for 360 dvd optical storage.The second thing i think sony will win the console war is cell the processor is very power full HD defention out put till 1080p.One other thing is the blue tooth and motion sensing engine the controler has its the next level of game play.Good luck sony.

And those wondering about the amount of games Playstation 3 will put out, well check this out from your very own afterdawn http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10151.cfm]

Hope you guys think twice about buying an xbox 360 over a Playstation 3!

319.7.2007 13:09

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
Don't complain that Playstation 3 costs too much.Let's be real and look at all aspects.The Playstation 3 already includes a Blu-ray Player in it.

What if you don't want a Blu-ray player? Then how much is it worth?

329.7.2007 13:11
BIGnewb
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does that matter,you get more for your money.xbox made the same mistake with add-on.who won last generations war?thank you the post above by me makes complete sense.

339.7.2007 13:21

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
does that matter,you get more for your money.xbox made the same mistake with add-on.who won last generations war?thank you the post above by me makes complete sense.

Of course it matters if you have to part with $500 of your hard earned money, primarily for something you don't want. As long as we're throwing names out there let's not forget another company that thought they'd have a big hit by including technology there wasn't a mass market for - 3DO. They had a great system with fantastic technology and a built in laser disc player. Unfortunately laser disc never caught on beyond the high end AV crowd and nobody was willing to pay for the 3DO system.

Is it the same thing? Of course not. But there are a lot of people who simply have no use for the Blu-ray player or spending that kind of money for a console. And now Sony not only has to find a way to sell the console, they have to a big hole to climb out of to come close to the Wii. I have no idea how things will pan out, but for the most part history is not on their side, regardless of what kind of corporate spin they put on things.

349.7.2007 13:21

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
does that matter,you get more for your money.xbox made the same mistake with add-on.who won last generations war?thank you the post above by me makes complete sense.
mistake?
hardly,a 199 unit that can work on PC and bring HDVD to thos who understand it is not a mistake,the mistakes were not effecting hardware change to ebat the fail rate back and the mistake not to have a more coherent Hdef support sturture even tho what they have is good enough, all in all sony is doing things much more badly IMO price and a 2-4X on game production will hurt the PS3 in the shirt term and might destroy it in the long term.


And don't dismiss the current market,people dont care for graphics as much as price and gameplay thats why the WII is selling 6 to 1 in some aeras,BTW BR is a blu herring for gaming the industry will be making games on a DVD9 basis for years to come,its goign to take more than 1 system to switch to the new Hdef formats for the industry as whole to up the over all qauilty of games, and the saixs is a flipping joke its freaking tilt and play from 10 years ago(exaggeration yes but it makes my point),please do try and re spin things back to the center.

the PS3 is a bloated beast a media machine and the is being snubbed by the consumer,yes it had potential but sony has run it aground with their arrogant tactics....

359.7.2007 13:37

Don't forget dual players are comign this year at or around 500,next year Xmas they could be 100-200 cheaper,the format war will totally change then.

BR is ok and all well BD+ and the live key system every other hacker will black list keys to death on is bad but BR is not the issues for me the price is they could have easily removed all the wireless stuff and sold them as day 1 add ons for 70 a pop and set the unit price at 399 for a 20GB unit,but know they screwed up lost money on the 20GB units and have a glut of both units its all just sloppy on top of the whole complected architecture the PS3 is on shaky ground.

369.7.2007 13:39
BIGnewb
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i agree about the wireless stuff but the rest still doesn't convince me.the Blu-ray is included because it's a home entertainment console.

379.7.2007 13:49

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
i agree about the wireless stuff but the rest still doesn't convince me.the Blu-ray is included because it's a home entertainment console.

middle ground gotta love it ^^

to me BR has potential but in reality "not yet" as it where,sony really should have done everythign to market this beast better to the masses they failed and might have permanently damaged their 3rd party rule.

Currently the PS3 has mostly shallow "flagship" titles slated for it (dont get me wrong the 360 steals PC games and under deved PC games more often than not at that), Sony needs to revitalize the PS3 as well as help devs make games on it but I do not see them bing that humble, they would rather wait till tis to late.

Mmmmm thinking about it I can't play the 3rd party card altho it feels like it next year will be the water test for the PS3 can it handle deep waters or not,the 360 is take water and the WII is like a lil tug boat dashing around them, hell watching how the market dose and their lil games with each other as well as the cover and screw ups its more interesting than most of the games so far 0-o

LOL

389.7.2007 14:04
hughjars
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It's my view that 50/$100 isn't going to do very much for the PS3.

Just as with launch there'll be the small pool of those waiting on this cut now coming in to buy and boosting sales for a very brief spurt and then they'll fall back off of the cliff.

For those wondering what Microsoft's response is going to be here the latest I can find -

Industry analysts are predicting that Microsoft will counter the $100 PS3 price drop with $80 off Elite, $50 off Premium, probably when the new 360 65 micron motherboard (codename Falcon) is released this autumn. A shortage of components is holding back the chipset release.

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399.7.2007 16:33

Originally posted by hughjars:
It's my view that 50/$100 isn't going to do very much for the PS3.

Just as with launch there'll be the small pool of those waiting on this cut now coming in to buy and boosting sales for a very brief spurt and then they'll fall back off of the cliff.

For those wondering what Microsoft's response is going to be here the latest I can find -

Industry analysts are predicting that Microsoft will counter the $100 PS3 price drop with $80 off Elite, $50 off Premium, probably when the new 360 65 micron motherboard (codename Falcon) is released this autumn. A shortage of components is holding back the chipset release.

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sony should take the gloves off and do a 400 price point now and try and salvage all the momentum lost they are sure as heck not going to gain any as things are now..

409.7.2007 16:57
vinny13
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Why do people blame Blu-ray?

Blu-Ray was included because the Blu-ray discs can hold up to 25GB on a single layer and twice that on a dual layer(I think). What I find retarded about the 360 is that the games play off of HD-DVD discs, but to play movies you need to buy the $120.00 expansion(so says my friend). Sure it's not as popular as DVD yet but why gouge customers even more?

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419.7.2007 17:11

Originally posted by vinny13:
Why do people blame Blu-ray?

Blu-Ray was included because the Blu-ray discs can hold up to 25GB on a single layer and twice that on a dual layer(I think). What I find retarded about the 360 is that the games play off of HD-DVD discs, but to play movies you need to buy the $120.00 expansion(so says my friend). Sure it's not as popular as DVD yet but why gouge customers even more?

........its still un needed.....even res was only 14GB after it was all said and done.

Now if sony thought about their place in the world and said lets make these wireless stuff optional sale them for 70 a pop sale the 20GB unit for 200 less at a 400$ price point no one would be complaining but sony missed the signs and ran the PS3 into the ground.

429.7.2007 17:36

I see people are still complaining.

439.7.2007 17:47

Originally posted by tru003:
I see people are still complaining.
and they are complaining abotu the 360 as well,of coarse you fanboys don't care...

449.7.2007 18:03

Originally posted by vinny13:
Why do people blame Blu-ray?

Blu-Ray was included because the Blu-ray discs can hold up to 25GB on a single layer and twice that on a dual layer(I think). What I find retarded about the 360 is that the games play off of HD-DVD discs, but to play movies you need to buy the $120.00 expansion(so says my friend). Sure it's not as popular as DVD yet but why gouge customers even more?
360 games are on DVD only, not HD-DVD. To play HD-DVD movies you would need to buy the HD-DVD add-on to be able to read the disk. Also, judging by the sales of the add-on, it appears that very few people want to buy a game console to watch movies.

459.7.2007 18:07

Zippy

First off ZIPPY I am not a fan boy I can care less who out sells who. I have a PS3 and I have a 360.
"FANBOY" The post I have seen from you in the past can make you a PRIME suspect. Let's say XBox 360 everyone.
People are complaining about the price PS3. I'm like this if you have a problem with the price don't sweat it in due time it will come down lower. As for now just continue on playing with what you have. As for the 360; people are complaining about hardware issues which is different subject.
I notice there is a lot of fan boy's posting ridiculous comments.
Just enjoy your systems.

469.7.2007 18:14

Originally posted by tru003:
Zippy

First off ZIPPY I am not a fan boy I can care less who out sells who. I have a PS3 and I have a 360.
"FANBOY" The post I have seen from you in the past can make you a PRIME suspect. Let's say XBox 360 everyone.
People are complaining about the price PS3. I'm like this if you have a problem with the price don't sweat it in due time it will come down lower. As for now just continue on playing with what you have. As for the 360; people are complaining about hardware issues which is different subject.
I notice there is a lot of fan boy's posting ridiculous comments.
Just enjoy your systems.

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So selling well to get devs to make games for the system dose not count for nothing?

the PS3 is suffering and sony is to blame if they tried a bit harder it would have done better than the WII,thats what I am saying.

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479.7.2007 18:26

Zip
The PS3 will be alright. It's not like it's a major crisis. The reason why the WII is doing well is because of innovation and it is cheap. All I can say is Nintendo (smart) did a good as for innovation but in due time the train may slow down. It's 2007 we cannot sit here and ride on 1990's technology (graphics) for the next 5-10 years. I'm sure they may have some titles that are enjoyable but not my cup of tea. At the same time I find a lot of enjoyable games on the other platforms.
One last thing Nintendo was smart:
Make a cheap system mass quantities more profit.
That's why I can care less who wins this so-called war. They are all trying to make a profit and everybody is acting like they are getting paid by showing support. Wake up!
Just enjoy the games.

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489.7.2007 18:46

Originally posted by tru003:
Zip
The PS3 will be alright. It's not like it's a major crisis. The reason why the WII is doing well is because of innovation and it is cheap. All I can say is Nintendo (smart) did a good as for innovation but in due time the train may slow down. It's 2007 we cannot sit here and ride on 1990's technology (graphics) for the next 5-10 years. I'm sure they may have some titles that are enjoyable but not my cup of tea. At the same time I find a lot of enjoyable games on the other platforms.

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why not for 4 or 5 years its not like games are gettign better in anythign else,sure in 3 or so years physics will be mature but until then we are awash in last gen games that just look better,also the indutry is slowly advance on size of games but it will take another 3-5 years for most games to be more than 15GB,I do not know if the PS3 can survive it high price + high architecture has never done well in gaming,3do,Jaugar,Saturn all imploded on them selfs,the DC and N64 managed to ramp up enough game support to survive for a time.

The PS3 is adrift on the edge of the media machine/high end console waters if its drifts any further it will be lost.

BTW do you think the "steals PC games" motto for the 360 still works?(its better than the Xbox but all in all not by much)

499.7.2007 18:49

Zip I don't know if you caught my message in time. Here it is:

One last thing Nintendo was smart:
Make a cheap system mass quantities more profit.
That's why I can care less who wins this so-called war. They are all trying to make a profit and everybody is acting like they are getting paid by showing support. Wake up!
Just enjoy the games.

509.7.2007 18:52

Originally posted by tru003:
Zip I don't know if you caught my message in time. Here it is:

One last thing Nintendo was smart:
Make a cheap system mass quantities more profit.
That's why I can care less who wins this so-called war. They are all trying to make a profit and everybody is acting like they are getting paid by showing support. Wake up!
Just enjoy the games.
Its hard to enjoy the crap feasts and un polished games they make but sure whatever support the games you like bargain bin the rest :P

519.7.2007 18:55

I am feeling ripped by M$ at the moment. I might jump ship and go w/ sony

529.7.2007 19:02

Originally posted by ugc:
I am feeling ripped by M$ at the moment. I might jump ship and go w/ sony
If you want to go now check out ebay they are goign for as little as 350 ^^, you can also up the HD when you want to so you don't need to spend 100 more for the 60GB version!

539.7.2007 21:05

amazon.com is reporting ps3 as #1 with a 2800% sales increase.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1467.html

549.7.2007 21:10

Originally posted by anubis66:
amazon.com is reporting ps3 as #1 with a 2800% sales increase.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1467.html[/quote]
gee I wonder why with the glut and forced price droppings....

559.7.2007 22:15

huh? you saying a price drop is a bad thing? any price drop is a good price drop.

569.7.2007 23:44

A lot of people complained about the price of the PS3 compared to the Xbox360, but I for one would prefer to pay more to get a decent working console, with everything in the box that I'll need for the next few years, then faulty system with add ons and hidden costs. Just my two cents ...

5710.7.2007 6:10
BIGnewb
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well put kyo!plus the price drop.what else can you want?plus 5 free movies and 2 games.THATS 123123123 times better than suxbox360

5810.7.2007 7:09

you PS3 nutters are missing a glaring point,its liek the 360 fools that think nothing of the fail rates or the fact the 360 steals PC games.

Becuse of that high cost and the high architecture on it DEVS WONT WANT TO MAKE GAMES FOR IT,without the 3rd party games what dose the PS3 because? a GC thats what it becomes,it will have a few good titles but bear bones if any really good 3rd party support since everyone is goign to the WII.

SO basically the PS3 becomes something like a cross between the Xbox and the GC with a BR player..this is impressive...not...

5910.7.2007 8:09
BIGnewb
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" without the 3rd party games what dose the PS3 because? a GC thats what it becomes,it will have a few good titles but bear bones if any really good 3rd party support since everyone is goign to the WII. "

that made absolutely no sense at all.

6012.7.2007 3:45

$100 price drop for PS3...big deal.
I expect a whole lot more come Christmas for all platforms
so I don't see this as being the PS3's saviour whatsoever.

6112.7.2007 4:40

Originally posted by kyo28:
...I for one would prefer to pay more to get a decent working console, with everything in the box that I'll need for the next few years...
Good luck with that. You still have to buy a remote for Blu-Ray, an HDMI cable to watch it and let's not forget a game, since there isn't one packaged in. It doesn't even come with component cables like the Premium. In fact, component cables are the only thing not in the Wii box that should be. You can take a Wii home for the base price and start playing right away.

Oh, and so I don't open up any wounds, the 360 has plenty of add-ons too, but not if you're smart enough to pony up the money for the better systems. (And no, I'm not talking about HD-DVD.)
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6212.7.2007 4:47

It is just another failed media by Sony. Remember back in the day Sony came out with Betamax then VHS came out. Betamax dead, Sony came out with the cassette tape the CD came out, Cassette dead, Sony came out with Mini-disk then the iPods and other harddrive devices came out, Mini-Disk Dead, Now Blue-Ray what is the future? Sony stick to making components and leave the media to someone else.

6312.7.2007 4:52

FYI: Sony helped in the development of the Compact Disc.

Also, PC games are just starting to use DVD as a format in order to install the game. I know some of it is compressed, but just a point I wanted to make in the case against Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs.

Zippy, I know you say 360 steals PC games, but I clearly remember MS saying their strategy was to merge the PC and console when they launched the original Xbox, and said it would be similar to a Windows environment to program for (which it is.) So now that there's Xbox and Windows Live, I'm not sure why you continue to flame on MS, this was their game plan from day one.

6412.7.2007 5:55

SProdigy
because they have not merged them they have constantly stole PC games to place on their console in order to pad its sales, it would be nice if they would step up and only take a year for it to come out to the PC but its either multi released or released 3 years later or not at all, and now they are tiring desperately to pad rep for vista,ya know I got halo 2 running on XP it runs great,MS is tryign to hard to pad their rep arse first instead of doing it the correct way.

Yes the industry is in a "DVD mindset",meaning BR is a non issue for gaming because only a few out of a few devs will build such games that would use it ,because of the price and architecture the PS3 is goign to have a hellish first few years, in the end I can see it becoming like the Xbox was a "niche within a niche",while the 360 will never really leave the niche its in.

glanzone
....... ya riiighhhttt...BR is by no means finished its doing much better than UDM which sony refused to build the brand for, for the recored I like Hdvd its simply a more coherent format like the PS3 is the more coherent hardware console wise, once you get by the fluff the diffrances "are the same but different" meaning they are all screwed up.


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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6512.7.2007 6:07

I think people are just sick of buying the same movie over and over again. Should they pay to see it in the theater, then DVD, then HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, and then again UMD for PSP or from iTunes for their iPod? DRM really hassles all of the portability for Joe Consumer and from Sony's piss poor attempts with UMD, I think people woke up and smelled the roses.

6612.7.2007 6:19

Originally posted by SProdigy:
I think people are just sick of buying the same movie over and over again. Should they pay to see it in the theater, then DVD, then HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, and then again UMD for PSP or from iTunes for their iPod? DRM really hassles all of the portability for Joe Consumer and from Sony's piss poor attempts with UMD, I think people woke up and smelled the roses.
there some advantages to re buying but not at the current bloated prices, Hdef is nice but a niche its not on my radar because of price and the reason why UDM moives have failed 15$ jsut to get it to play on the PSP what where they thinking? 9.99 no more no less and start adding UMD to normal DVD releases, it seems sony has forgotten a brand is not made cheaply or overnight.

I don't mind BRs current price DVDs were as costly 20 years ago when they first showed up,my problem with BR is the ridiculous DRM they are putting on it,and Hdvd is at the most 30GB lower than disc to disc to BR thus 2 Hdvds will be the same or better than 1 BR this is why I elan to Hdvd,but even then both these formats can still fall on their face in 3 or 5 years and something else replace them..

Hollywood has to understand that you get money from volume sales not dcking over every cent and making the consumer unhappy with the "less is more" mentality.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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6712.7.2007 7:31

The prices are bloated! And for those of us that know better, they sell the same stuff over in China or India, or another other "piracy infested" nation for pennies on the dollar compared to our overpriced crap!

Someone else said it best: they'll release X DVD 6 months later as the "Ultimate Edition" with "6 hours of never before seen footage" or other junk just to get you to pluck down the same $20 again and again. I saw it happen after I bought Lord of the Rings, and then the extended versions came out. Then Hollywood wonders why piracy even exists.

6812.7.2007 7:49

This thread's gone AWOL so I'll add:-
Yeah,I hate all that Special Edition,Director's Cut,Fully Uncut Directors Special Edition with a free packet of weed killer to sell
consumers the same damn product over 'n' over again.
Why do sheep follow this ridiculous sales pitch.
I hate extras as they rarely offer any value unless you're a director
or you like to be bored to death with anal descriptions of how they had to setup the shot at 4am so that the light casts a certain shadow
through the mountains garbage.
Why don't they just use the full disk for the movie alone using the full megabit bandwidth to encode the movie with.More bits for the movie and less bits for the bloated extras crap.
Stuff it,I'm sticking with DVD until Superbit gets on the HD bandwagon.Extras for the lose.

6912.7.2007 9:29

This thread has a lot of mad people. haha All I will say is the bloated prices dont stop with media. Its just the US way.

7012.7.2007 11:17
dorkydork
Inactive

i want to know what this announcement is sony is going to make? anyone have any good links good sites that are reporting on E3?

7112.7.2007 11:41

Originally posted by dorkydork:
i want to know what this announcement is sony is going to make? anyone have any good links good sites that are reporting on E3?
http://www.gamepolitics.com/
the guy that runs the site is there and reporting on what MS,Nin and sony do at their main press events.
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7212.7.2007 11:52

Joystiq and IGN are both covering it as well

7312.7.2007 13:31

Now what is sony going to do for all of us that paid $100.00 to much???

7412.7.2007 17:31
hughjars
Inactive

It's a lot of empty PR.

I just heard a very plausible rumour.

The 60gb PS3 is soon to be replaced by the $600 80gb PS3.

So it's as you were.
Nothing much will have changed at all.

7512.7.2007 19:31

Originally posted by hughjars:
It's a lot of empty PR.

I just heard a very plausible rumour.

The 60gb PS3 is soon to be replaced by the $600 80gb PS3.

So it's as you were.
Nothing much will have changed at all.
Yes and no the 60GB becomes 499 the 80GB becomes 600,its stupidity in motion and wastes production costs on units that wont sale, sony is just begging for the "Saturn" to happen all over again.

7616.7.2007 23:17

This is needed for them to stay competitive.

7717.7.2007 4:47

Originally posted by borhan9:
This is needed for them to stay competitive.

yes the price drop is needed for them to stay competitive

a bit of interesting news I found,altho its hard to tell which PR head is speaking the truth...

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/1...-clarification/

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