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Update: PS3 hits 1 million sold milestone in Japan

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 18 Jul 2007 14:05 User comments (57)

Update: PS3 hits 1 million sold milestone in Japan A month after it hit one million sold in Europe and Australia, the PlayStation 3 has finally reached the same milestone in Japan.
According to Enterbrain, it took Sony just about 8 months to reach the milestone, over double the time it took Nintendo to reach the mark with its Wii console.

As of last week, 1.01 million units had been sold compared to just under 3 million Wiis. The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005.

The numbers are somewhat surprising as Sony has traditionally done well in Japan and around Asia, handily beating its rivals.

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218.7.2007 14:11
MidnightJ
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Good news. I hope this will make Konami keep Metal Gear 4 exclusive to PS3.

318.7.2007 14:17

Quote:
The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005.

Why don't they just give it up.

(why did my first post create a link to world of warcraft?)

418.7.2007 14:22

Quote:
Quote:
The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005.

Why don't they just give it up.

(why did my first post create a link to world of warcraft?)
It is a new feature of the forums. If you type a word that is in AfterDawn's glossary/database or a glossary/database for one of AD's sister sites it will show your word as a link to that word/phrases page. So in your case typing WOW which is similar to the abbreviation for the game World of Warcraft linked to the World of Warcraft description page on AD's game site http://www.blasteroids.com. So if I type Ad-Aware, you will see a link and clicking on it will take you to the page for Ad-Aware on AD's sister site http://www.filepedia.com Were as typing NTSC (a video standard)will link me to the appropriate page on AD's glossary.
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518.7.2007 14:24

LOL unlucky 713tex

Meh this is sorat poor rele, Japan Sonys strong hold has only just reached 1 million units its poor and shows how bad the consol is being recieved all aroudn the world.

You can't compare the 360 and ps3 in japan! The 360 is made my an American company, of course its not going to sell well!

618.7.2007 14:59
vinny13
Inactive

Well at least it's selling. I'll still get one sooner or later... I need a job :(

718.7.2007 15:37
hughjars
Inactive

No-one in their right mind expects the XBox 360 to be a big seller in Japan.

But for only 1 million PS3 sales this late on, even in their home market, wow. that's really showing just how deep in the sh*t they really are.

818.7.2007 15:51

If sony were to make a ps3 that purely played next-gen games and online play, they would sell more because the price drop and that some people aren't looking for an all in 1.

918.7.2007 16:07

Damn, took em long enough...I actually thought that when the ps3 hit, it would be a system to fly off the shelf...well...now you can find ps3's and no wii's.

Weird how the tables have turned...

1018.7.2007 16:26

the PS3 is doing badly because of the price,once they lower it to at least 500 USD world wide,it will pick up some momentum,as long as devs stay with it and not go multi console the PS3 will pick up more steam but as long as the PS3 sales slow or badly devs will jump ship.


Unlike the PS3 the 360 is a niche machine even world wide its selling at a conservative rate,Asia likes its Japanese systems a bit to much even so they are not willing to go blindly to the PS3,not with the WII doing so well.

Even with the WII being like the PS2,the PS3 should gain 2ndry world wide position when the price comes down in a year or 2,until then its WII first,360 2nd just for being out a year before the others and the PS3 is last and unless it loses more exclusive games sales will pick up once the price stays around 500USD world wide..

BTW I try not and pick sides merely convaying what I think is happening and could happen,the PS3 has a 50/50 chance to stay lower than the 360,but by 09 it should gain 2ndry position just by name power alone unless of coarse sony scares off more devs by then.

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1118.7.2007 16:34

Originally posted by 21Q:
If sony were to make a ps3 that purely played next-gen games and online play, they would sell more because the price drop and that some people aren't looking for an all in 1.
Yes and no they could have dropped all the wireless stuff and the card reader and sold the system with the 20GB HDD for 350-400 and it would have been a hit,but they tried to hard to keep to the high price and have caused them selfs nothing but trouble from it.

BR will be good for gaming in the next 3+ years for now its uneeded even sony should have seen that a 400BR player would have gained them the ground on not only BR but the PS3 front,now they are panicing removing the things left and right and not dropping the price,they really need to focus on removing the unneeded (wifi,card reader,EE chip, HD over 80) and get the price to 400 now be done with it incur the losses early on to set the foundation for the PS3 which they might be doing but it will take to next spring or Xmas to get their....

Its funny If they set the PS3 price to 400 or tossed BR and sold the PS3 for 400 they would have won first seat without question...

1218.7.2007 17:21

This is not really surprising due to the fact that Nintendo came out of the blocks like a sprinter and had a handy lead and still does.

1318.7.2007 17:26

Originally posted by borhan9:
This is not really surprising due to the fact that Nintendo came out of the blocks like a sprinter and had a handy lead and still does.

Do you think if the PS3 was 350-400 for the 20GB unit things would be as "bad".

1418.7.2007 18:45
sr.bond
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it aint fair to compare the ps3 to the wii, the ps3 is a completely new and functional console, it may be expensive but it's not a rip off,whereas the wii is nothing but an stereoid-driven cube with a revamped power glove as a controller.
anyways, imho,sony needs to drop the price of the 80 gigs to at least 499 to start moving them off the shelves.

1518.7.2007 19:32
vinny13
Inactive

Ya I agree. You can't really compare any console to the Wii because it's not really a console(to me anyways). It's more like a tiny arcade system that you can plug into any TV and has many games instead of one.

1618.7.2007 21:14

whether u want to believe it or not, it's the amount of consoles sold that brings the developers to your platform. As we all know the Wii is outselling everyone, it's cheap (for consumers and developers). As a result publishers are saying to developers "Hey you know that $15 million PS3 game u guys were making, well why don't you take that back and bring me 5 or 6 Wii games". It's for this reason that the Wii's gonna be sticking around for a while longer. As for the 360, consider it's support from Japanese developers to be what it is now (next to none) because there's no market for it in Japan.

If you want my opinion - Wii is a contender, PS3 will pick up in the long run, and the Halo boys will have their 360.

1718.7.2007 21:20

Originally posted by Kazi:
whether u want to believe it or not, it's the amount of consoles sold that brings the developers to your platform. As we all know the Wii is outselling everyone, it's cheap (for consumers and developers). As a result publishers are saying to developers "Hey you know that $15 million PS3 game u guys were making, well why don't you take that back and bring me 5 or 6 Wii games". It's for this reason that the Wii's gonna be sticking around for a while longer. As for the 360, consider it's support from Japanese developers to be what it is now (next to none) because there's no market for it in Japan.

If you want my opinion - Wii is a contender, PS3 will pick up in the long run, and the Halo boys will have their 360.

I more or less agree with you,however the 360 is a bit more than halo,its a solid US/Euro niche of PC style games, what it really lacks is more diverse 3rd party support.

1818.7.2007 21:56
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by Kazi:
the Halo boys will have their 360.
LMAO

1918.7.2007 22:05

The WII has really done what the last few consoles have been trying to do,however their main focuses was power over progress, the PSX and PS2 used the simple to build for plan to get devs to make games and they stuck with it,the PS3 is breaking the mold on many levels, I think by late 09 we will see if the WII can remain on the throne or not altho theres nothing really fighting the WII the WII is based on price and fun while the others are based on power/look and entertainment,its hard to fight cheap fun...very hard to fight it.

2018.7.2007 23:59

From the beginning I have admired Sony's bold strategy to make a high-end console. While some people consider it expensive, Sony is still making huge losses per unit sold so therefore you are getting plenty of bang for your buck. But so far Sony's strategic decision has not been successful, as the technically prehistoric Wii is selling like pancakes.

But couple of things still support PS3 in the future:

- HD televisions are selling like crazy, while they are also very expensive. At some point the demand for HD content must/will increase. Wii looks like shit on a large LCD screen. While being a game machine PS3 also doubles as Blu-ray player.

- Sony has been phenomenal in sustaining long life cycles for consoles. PS1 reached lived almost 10 years and PS2 has the change of reaching almost the same figures. PS3 technology has been designed to last long: next generation video disc format, and plenty of processing power. Only issue for Sony is that Microsoft is looking at much shorter life spans, so they most likely are already busy doing the "Xbox 720" that will catchup PS3 in technology

2119.7.2007 1:28

Not being funny i feel as is sony have abandond there ps3 users in the uk games are comming out so slowly for it and when i home going to finaly get realised its a powerfull machine with no good games that i havent already completed since owning the ps3 i think its been used no more than a week in total as theres nothing new to buy or worth getting comming out till october time.

2219.7.2007 2:22

Quote:
Originally posted by 21Q:
If sony were to make a ps3 that purely played next-gen games and online play, they would sell more because the price drop and that some people aren't looking for an all in 1.
Yes and no they could have dropped all the wireless stuff and the card reader and sold the system with the 20GB HDD for 350-400 and it would have been a hit,but they tried to hard to keep to the high price and have caused them selfs nothing but trouble from it.

BR will be good for gaming in the next 3+ years for now its uneeded even sony should have seen that a 400BR player would have gained them the ground on not only BR but the PS3 front,now they are panicing removing the things left and right and not dropping the price,they really need to focus on removing the unneeded (wifi,card reader,EE chip, HD over 80) and get the price to 400 now be done with it incur the losses early on to set the foundation for the PS3 which they might be doing but it will take to next spring or Xmas to get their....

Its funny If they set the PS3 price to 400 or tossed BR and sold the PS3 for 400 they would have won first seat without question...

Funny, those things you described as unneeded I use under regular basis with the ps3. Infact they ARE the reason why i bought the 60 gig model rather than the 20 gig, not because of the extra hdd space. Wifi makes things a hell of alot easier, the card readers great for transferring crap from the psp to the ps3 or the pc to the ps3. I can see why i wouldnt want a hdd over 80 because I could just buy a 250 or 300 gig hard drive on my own. And whats wrong with the Emotion Engine? I can see how not having good backwards compatibility would tick people off but i fail to see it as something that is unnecessary, seeing as backward compatibility is as much as a Sony trademark as the controller design.

2319.7.2007 3:24

How quick people are to forget that console races are won in year cycles not overnight its funny how people can count out Sony but this console race hasn't begin yet & won't until 2 or 3 years.So what happen to all these reports that Wii was out selling PS3 4 or 5 to 1 but they only sold 3 million in Japan.If Sony cut the price down to 400 bucks im willing to bet this race in Japan would be real tight.


Originally posted by hughjars:
No-one in their right mind expects the XBox 360 to be a big seller in Japan.
So why don't Sony have problems selling console here in the U.S. which is a strong hold for them.Alot of Japan gamer don't like 360 because they say 360 games are the same & most of them play like PC games.
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2419.7.2007 3:55
hughjars
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
why don't Sony have problems selling console here in the U.S.
- Because the US market is a lot more open than the Japanese market.

No-one is saying the Japanese never go for imports but they have a centuries long tradition of being very very difficult to sell to.

They have even been known to indulge in a little 'protectionism' - famously once refusing a container load of Jaguar cars from the UK because the little tiny raised lettering moulded into the red plastic of the rear light unit was slightly the wrong size.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
which is a strong hold for them.
- I think the XBox 360 & PS3 sales numbers show the correct tense you ought to have used there is 'was'.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
Alot of Japan gamer don't like 360 because they say 360 games are the same & most of them play like PC games.
- There will be some truth in that but it's hardly an absolute truth.
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2519.7.2007 4:32

Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.

2619.7.2007 7:01
scott2k7
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i think sony might be making the ps4 earlier than they thought the wii is beating everything out there STILL!

2719.7.2007 7:35

I think it's a bit sad when people think the PS3 will transform into some uber-console when developers get used to it.Well I'll break it to you straight,there is no way it's memory will suddenly increase,the CELL won't duplicate itself and the Graphics processor will always be it's limiting factor.Yes things will improve but don't expect the PS3 to surpass the 360 by leaps and bounds,that's just fanboy bollo# and PR BS.If you want real power then a top PC blows both out of the water but that platform seems to be losing developers so pick a console for it's games and not for all that unlocked potential,that's just wishful thinking.

2819.7.2007 7:46
vinny13
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I know I'm picking it for the games. Resistance, Motorstorm, Little Big Planet, MGS4, Killzone 2,GT 5, and hopefully the next Final Fantasy(if it says with PS) all sound good to me for exclusives.

I'm not a fan of the 360 games, unless you count Halo 2, which is an Xbox game. The only 360 exclusive I liked was Lost Planet. I could kill anybody in that game, except my friends, because they all thought it was crap and didn't buy it.

2919.7.2007 8:01

I know I'm picking the 360 for it's games.Halo3,Bioshock,Mass Effect,Alan Wake,PGR4,Fable2,COD4,The Orange Box,GTAIV,Too Human and Resident Evil 5 all sound good to me.

I'm not much of a fan of the PS3 games, unless you count Final Fantasy and MGS4.I was a big fan of Gran Turismo but seeing as the Forza franchise has surpassed it in onlineplay, customisation, physics and collision damage,I would never go back to something that just looks good but delivers nothing new.

3019.7.2007 8:14
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by ChromeMud:
I know I'm picking the 360 for it's games.Halo3,Bioshock,Mass Effect,Alan Wake,PGR4,Fable2,COD4,The Orange Box,GTAIV,Too Human and Resident Evil 5 all sound good to me.

I'm not much of a fan of the PS3 games, unless you count Final Fantasy and MGS4.I was a big fan of Gran Turismo but seeing as the Forza franchise has surpassed it in onlineplay, customisation, physics and collision damage,I would never go back to something that just looks good but delivers nothing new.
Not all those games are exclusive, and GT beats Forza and PGR any day.

* And some people are saying that Halo 3 is supposed to be a let down? I'm not much of a fan for Halo, but I don't really hate it either. But some people are saying that the free online test beta thing doesn't make it look good or something...
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3119.7.2007 8:19

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
- HD televisions are selling like crazy, while they are also very expensive. At some point the demand for HD content must/will increase. Wii looks like shit on a large LCD screen. While being a game machine PS3 also doubles as Blu-ray player.
Nintendo is smart. Very smart. There are 3 console manufacturers. 2 announced a next-gen system. Nintendo relized that there would be a power struggle. Why get involved? Instead, they released a Gamecube 2.0. So instead of investing their resources in a powerhouse machine at a time when television and the way people view video is in a transition period, they focused on innovation. They expanded the Gamecube catalog (which was lackluster anyway) and focused on innovation. At the time, they probably saw the HD vs Bluray war on the horizon, the evolving HD formats, and probably have analysts forecasting when they feel it will be over. Why invest now in a market that still has to stabilize. All they are seeing is profits now, and for a last gen system. This is the time that they should be using to begin their design of a next gen console. Once HD becomes more mainstream, MS and Sony get their act together, I agree that sales may drop for the Wii. But they probably already see that coming. IMO, the Wii was a manuever that would allow them to sit back for a couple of years and watch and plan for a big move. Now when the time comes, all of the innovation that was put into the Wii can be transferred to a true next gen console. And all of the people who purchased a Wii and love the innovation are going to be drooling over next gen Mario and Zelda in HD. I had a Wii, but I returned it. Not because it wasn't fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm just not part of the demographic Nintendo was trying to grab. I want the next gen graphics. I want the processing power. But I hope that my theory on Nintendo is correct. I will be one of the people who drools over playing next gen Mario and Metroid in HD :-) - after all, Nintendo has owned me since childhood. MS and Sony are just dirty mistresses ;-)

I agree, you can't compare the Wii to the Sony or MS consoles. But you can have fun watching it bite at their ankles :-)
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3219.7.2007 8:30
REAM
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Originally posted by Riotard:
LOL unlucky 713tex

Meh this is sorat poor rele, Japan Sonys strong hold has only just reached 1 million units its poor and shows how bad the consol is being recieved all aroudn the world.

You can't compare the 360 and ps3 in japan! The 360 is made my an American company, of course its not going to sell well!
how long did the ps2 and other last gen consoles get to the magic million mark?

3319.7.2007 8:37

Quote:
I'm not much of a fan of the PS3 games, unless you count Final Fantasy and MGS4.I was a big fan of Gran Turismo but seeing as the Forza franchise has surpassed it in onlineplay, customisation, physics and collision damage,I would never go back to something that just looks good but delivers nothing new.

Please i want you to show proof of that because i know thats not true GT kill any racing game thats out.No racing game on any system in it History has out sold GT.So i think you stating a opinion because thats not a fact & not even close to being one.

Wii & 360 won't come close to any of these exclusives.Its just a matter of time.

Lair
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Folklore
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
KillZone 2
MGS4
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Haze
Time Crisis 4
Tekken 6
Final Fantasy
INFAMOUS
Little Big World
The Agency
GT5
Socom4
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3419.7.2007 8:39

emugamer
To true,I have found the ankle biting to more interesting than the next gen systems them selfs,both sony and MS have nawed away at their own ankles making things even more fun.

The phallic tower of the WII reigns arrosshe land and there lil anyone an do about it,MS is a niche of PC style games,the PS3 will claim the its spot in 2 or 3 years because they have the Jp 3rd party devs and a the last few PSX franchise that will make it sale better world wide than the 360 in 3+ years, for now tho the PS3 is fighting with itself over price the higher it stays the slow it sales the slow it sales the less devs will wont to fool with it,so sony needs to wake up and get it to 450 now.

ChromeMud
The way I see the 360 and PS3 is,the 360 has a lil bit more raw power for graphics and the PS3 has the same but for physics,in the end thier limitations keep them about even,however the PS3 has a better Hdef standard witch boosts its look a bit,the main problem for it tho is coding will mature at half the rate it dose for the 360 but it started out a few rungs above the 360 so in all they are neck and nack.

You can't really put anythign past coders once they find some optimations the PS3 will be running a lot better but that going to take 2-3 years, another issue with the PS3 is the odd architecture thats going to slow its optimizable maturing down.

In the end both systems are powerful and for the most part equal,if a multi console game dose not work well on 1 then its merely a bad port

3519.7.2007 8:46

I more or less agree with you ZIppyDSM.
The PS3 and 360 are close and the Wii is the leader in terms of
reaching a mass market.All systems will have their games,exclusives,etc so it's upto the punter to decide what's best for them but I think the choice is good.

3619.7.2007 8:55
vinny13
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Quote:
Quote:
I'm not much of a fan of the PS3 games, unless you count Final Fantasy and MGS4.I was a big fan of Gran Turismo but seeing as the Forza franchise has surpassed it in onlineplay, customisation, physics and collision damage,I would never go back to something that just looks good but delivers nothing new.

Please i want you to show proof of that because i know thats not true GT kill any racing game thats out.No racing game on any system in it History has out sold GT.So i think you stating a opinion because thats no a fact & not even close to being one.

Wii & 360 won't come close to any of these exclusives.Its just a matter of time.

Lair
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Folklore
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
KillZone 2
MGS4
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Haze
Time Crisis 4
Tekken 6
Final Fantasy
INFAMOUS
Little Big World
The Agency
GT5
Socom4
Thank you. lol

3719.7.2007 9:46

*sigh*
fanboys gotta love them....


Lair:(action/action adventure):Kameo,Eragon,Too Human

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Warhawk(3rd person vechile based):War World,Zoids Infinity EX Neo

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Heavenly Sword(GOW clone): Conan maybe?mmm Dead Rising,Demonik well they are action adventure of some sort..any GOW clone will do.

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Folklore:Fable 2.......
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Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction: over head furry shooter.....generic much?
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KillZone 2: and the first one was so good?
3rd person military tech..again generic much...
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MGS4:Still unconfirmed about the 360 release.
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Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: its like Gears of war only in a jungle and you fight mostly humans! so tis another 3rd person shooter.
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Haze:Bioshock...Halo..
even Turok....I dunno any B level FPS or higher can take it.
BTW on 360.
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Time Crisis 4:oh joy a gun game.....
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Tekken 6:DOA(altho they both suck so meh...)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix,
.......
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Final Fantasy (RPG):Blue dragon,Eternal Sonata,Lost Odyssey ,please dont FF has been dead since 9 its a watered down MMO style lite rpg grind fest...
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INFAMOUS(modern action/adventure):Saints Row,Condemned: Criminal Origins
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Little Big World:........playing in a peet candy world....of corse I hate animal crossing too.... theres always Viva Pinata.....but blah
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The Agency:Hitman blood money..........
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GT5:...oh god....PGR,Fronza,MotoGP 06 sorry like FF GT ain't what it use to be........
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Socom4: I think Socom is the Halo for tactical shooters.....over rated and only on 1 system...
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Now is there any other troll bait I can answer?

And before you start burning the fanboy card, sure I didn't get all the genres right and soem might be multi console but when you boil it down there is lil difference in them once you start claiming "ZOMG MINES BIGGER er BETTER" the IQ in the room dies, so keep it simple like what you like but keep the troll baiting down....


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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Check out my crappy creations
http://zippydsmlee.deviantart.com/

3819.7.2007 10:05
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
*sigh*
fanboys gotta love them....


Lair:(action/action adventure):Kameo,Eragon,Too Human

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Warhawk(3rd person vechile based):War World,Zoids Infinity EX Neo

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Heavenly Sword(GOW clone): Conan maybe?mmm Dead Rising,Demonik well they are action adventure of some sort..any GOW clone will do.

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Folklore:Fable 2.......
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Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction: over head furry shooter.....generic much?
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KillZone 2: and the first one was so good?
3rd person military tech..again generic much...
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MGS4:Still unconfirmed about the 360 release.
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Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: its like Gears of war only in a jungle and you fight mostly humans! so tis another 3rd person shooter.
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Haze:Bioshock...Halo..
even Turok....I dunno any B level FPS or higher can take it.
BTW on 360.
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Time Crisis 4:oh joy a gun game.....
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Tekken 6:DOA(altho they both suck so meh...)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix,
.......
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Final Fantasy (RPG):Blue dragon,Eternal Sonata,Lost Odyssey ,please dont FF has been dead since 9 its a watered down MMO style lite rpg grind fest...
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INFAMOUS(modern action/adventure):Saints Row,Condemned: Criminal Origins
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Little Big World:........playing in a peet candy world....of corse I hate animal crossing too.... theres always Viva Pinata.....but blah
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The Agency:Hitman blood money..........
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GT5:...oh god....PGR,Fronza,MotoGP 06 sorry like FF GT ain't what it use to be........
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Socom4: I think Socom is the Halo for tactical shooters.....over rated and only on 1 system...
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Now is there any other troll bait I can answer?

And before you start burning the fanboy card, sure I didn't get all the genres right and soem might be multi console but when you boil it down there is lil difference in them once you start claiming "ZOMG MINES BIGGER er BETTER" the IQ in the room dies, so keep it simple like what you like but keep the troll baiting down....
What? :S

3919.7.2007 10:08

vinny13
you heard me :P
like what you will be don't start with the "this this this or that" troll bait,its rather simple the PS3 will have some games the 360 wont and vice versa.




Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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Check out my crappy creations
http://zippydsmlee.deviantart.com/

4019.7.2007 10:17
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
vinny13
you heard me :P
like what you will be don't start with the "this this this or that" troll bait,its rather simple the PS3 will have some games the 360 wont and vice versa.
Ok that I understand and agree with lol

But your wrong about GT. The first and the forth I thought were the best out for racing. The forth was nice and had everything, and the first was nice because it was very simple, although it's almost impossible to get to the IA lisence alone! And then 2 and 3 were basicly the same, just the third had better graphics. It sounds fanboyish but when it come's to GT, I'm all over it.

As long as there are new cars being made, there will be more GTs to come. I think it was the first real racing game too, with regular cars instead of cars like F1 and NASCAR.
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4119.7.2007 10:33

Originally posted by Zippy:
MGS4:Still unconfirmed about the 360 release.
Where you been hiding it was comfirmed at E3.

Originally posted by Zippy:
The Agency:Hitman blood money
Not even close to being Hitman totally different game do more research before you try to compare.

Originally posted by Zippy:
Socom4: I think Socom is the Halo for tactical shooters.....over rated and only on 1 system
Over rated but it the most played game online on the PS2 SOCOM 2 AVG 5000 people online everyday & this game is 4 years old Socom 3 avg over 15-20 thousand people online yeah it very over rated.

Originally posted by Zippy:
GT5:...oh god....PGR,Fronza,MotoGP 06 sorry like FF GT ain't what it use to be
You don't play game much do you...lol GT set the Bar for all racing games period.GT is the highest selling racing game period on any gaming system.Sometime i think you just like to here yourself talk but if you do don't talk foolish like this.

4219.7.2007 10:38

Originally posted by vinny13:
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
vinny13
you heard me :P
like what you will be don't start with the "this this this or that" troll bait,its rather simple the PS3 will have some games the 360 wont and vice versa.
Ok that I understand and agree with lol

But your wrong about GT. The first and the forth I thought were the best out for racing. The forth was nice and had everything, and the first was nice because it was very simple, although it's almost impossible to get to the IA lisence alone! And then 2 and 3 were basicly the same, just the third had better graphics. It sounds fanboyish but when it come's to GT, I'm all over it.

As long as there are new cars being made, there will be more GTs to come. I think it was the first real racing game too, with regular cars instead of cars like F1 and NASCAR.
And from what I have read Fonza has surpassed it for online features,collision and other lil odds and ends, hash details all you want its basically the same,or at least enough to fill that "void" in the line up and thats what I am going over,you like your franchises great just be ready for the hard landing when you figure out they are not really developing the game any just spamming out sequels,altho not all games do this...its becoming more prevalent now with new games havign the same holes as the old or havign new holes in diffrent places making the over all experance the same(yes FF I am bitching at youFF8 blah,FF9 good,FF10 blah FF12 blah).

And if you think RPGs have washed out try FPSs ...WTF invisi wall in the middle of a room ot worse yet a level comprised of 3 small rooms ZOMG the end is nigh!!!
/rant end
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sigh...really tho you need all the main systems to get all the good games that will never change.

I love gaming but gaaa its the new freaking hollywood ,only they do not add more content(bug/balance fixes FTW ) and release stuff ><

BTW were you a Unding fan? Clive is working with Codemasters, Mercury Steam for the multi system release of Jerico
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/cli...=result;title;1

^0^

NexGen76
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And before you start burning the fanboy card, sure I didn't get all the genres right and soem might be multi console but when you boil it down there is lil difference in them once you start claiming "ZOMG MINES BIGGER er BETTER" the IQ in the room dies, so keep it simple like what you like but keep the troll baiting down....

blah blah blah fanyboy rants,blah blah blah.
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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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4319.7.2007 10:57

Originally posted by Zippy:
blah blah blah fanyboy rants,blah blah blah
Glad to see i got my point a cross i hate misinformed x-bots.
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4419.7.2007 11:25

Originally posted by NexGen76:
Originally posted by Zippy:
blah blah blah fanyboy rants,blah blah blah
Glad to see i got my point a cross i hate misinformed x-bots.

And I love when fanboys start burning when they claim their games are everything to the genre when they are really not.

Halo over rated FPS=Socom Overrated tact FPS same coin dif sides.
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GT set the bar like FF did and it can bearly keep up with the bar it set years ago while others in the genre are improving just because they are not GT or FF you should no so quickly dismiss them.
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MGS4 ya and how many times have devs jumped ship after claiming it,sorry to much blood int eh water if no signs show in a year fine I will contest MSG4 wont show up on the 360,I dont care for MGS but tis reasonable for konami to go after the revunue multi console games bring..
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As I said I might have the genres off but if you must hash ever little fanboy basic then lets,The Agency is hitman with a strategy theme or more like a subpar hybrid where you have 3rd person missions to expand your base and gain new..oh wait Overlord basic hybrid sure tis medevil/magic/mosnters theme but basically the same.
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Any more troll bait I can answer I am feelign hairy ^^



BTW you seem cant read I have stated many times my distaste of the 360 and its "Steal PC game" M.O. is rather tiring,the same is true for the PS3 that is losing some of its franchisees and has become a high end game machine that most devs would rather not dev for or have you not been paying attention to the poor sales of the PS3 the high price and crap,the PS3 will out grow the 360 in a couple years the sooner the price comes down the sooner it will happen, I don't think it can fight the WII it has simply become its own lil world but for the high end game niche the PS3 be number one in 20 or so months.

Please do try and use your eyes and mind the PS3 is not doing well, and you can cry top of the genre all you want a reasonable facsimile(clone) is still just as good as the real thing.


Again I will state the PS3 and 360 are pretty much peas in the same pod they have grown a bit diffrently but once you boil it down theres no real difference in them at this point and time,maybe in 3 years when real 40GB games are made without filler the PS3 will shine,for now its more of the same and the only really truly "great" thing in gaming this go round is the meek in power wii and even it has issues..

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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4519.7.2007 13:35

considering the 360 is an imported system. thats ok to me. 8 months is a long time for me to think that sony finally sold 1 million units. and they claim they've sold millions of units around the world? ha! sounds like they are only counting the units shipped from the factories after they are built and boxed...

imagine how many more they'd sell if they knocked off another 50 to 100 bux.

4619.7.2007 16:22

Originally posted by SProdigy:
Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.
HUH???
I'm sorry SProdigy but you cannot compare Intel and AMD to PS3 and WII.
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4719.7.2007 18:48

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Originally posted by SProdigy:
Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.
HUH???
I'm sorry SProdigy but you cannot compare Intel and AMD to PS3 and WII.
Mmmm if there were only WII and PS3 then the WII would be intel because it did well long ago and had a hard time keeping up with ADM,now the WII/intel has out maneuvered ADM, but CPUs are a bad exsmaple because there is no 3rd wheel....

It seems to some sony fans dismiss the WIIs sudden dominance and refuse to see the PS3 for the high end game machine it is,face it the PS3 will never return to where the PS2 was its to late,all they can do is lay a foundation that will make it 2nd to the WII in consoles and above the 360 in high end gaming/entertainment.

Now if Zony finally realizes its place in the world and sets the PS3 350 or lower price point it just might reclaim its proper throne(and no even if the 360 was 100 it would not do much better because of the lack of diverse 3rd party support).

4819.7.2007 23:02

They should drop the price, they should drop the price...

Goddamit guys, hows your math? You like giving away high tech stuff for free? Especially when you are broke?

Microsoft has yet to make a penny out of their Xbox products. But they have decided that they will penetrate the console market and gain access to our living rooms, no matter what it costs. And Microsoft can afford to do it - they are ripping of cash with Windows and Offices licenses faster that you can count. They could sell the Xbox 360 for $1 and not worry about it.

Sony on the other hand is in financial problems. While MS is cashing on immaterial products, Sony is operating in consumer electronics field where the competition is fierce and profit margins low. When Microsoft is selling air (the license to use software) Sony is delivering actual products with actual production and material costs, and currently they are not very successful at it. They are making financial damage for each PS3 sold, but unfortunately they don't have all the money in the world to give away more free stuff. They are already paying you about $200 for the PS3 you are buying.

4920.7.2007 1:54

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
[i] While MS is cashing on immaterial products, Sony is operating in consumer electronics field where the competition is fierce and profit margins low. When Microsoft is selling air (the license to use software) Sony is delivering actual products with actual production and material costs, and currently they are not very successful at it.
Just as a side point, and not to completely disagree, but Sony has dipped their fingers in the software pie. They purchased Sonic Foundry and deliver the Soundforge, Acid and Vegas audio/video editing software packages (all excellent programs, as I've used them myself and prefer them). They also have other audio/video editing software I believe. Not that their sales can compare to MS in the software department, but at least they realize that "air" can make money.
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5020.7.2007 7:00

cd-rw.org

...........last I checked MS started to make a profit on the 360s or at the least break even(Fail rate and warrenty issues aside) or even manage the monetary damage of it all.

Whats the PS3? a slow seller due to what now? PRICE and or games...it seems to me you are foolish enough to think a at 600+ in the US and 800+ abroad the PS3 is going to do better than the WII or the 360 for that matter, belive it or not there are magicl numbers out there and if you cross them you're heading to Jaguar and 3DO vil,at a price point of above 500 the PS3 is a niche machine and will never out sale the WII no matter what games it has,at 500 it can easily out sale the 360 just because its one of Asia's favorite sons.

Emugamer
Sony as a whole is a media giant (from media industry to TV,radios,ect) they have the money what ever losses on the PS"X" and be easily absorb by any summer block buster(film) MS prints money at a higher rate if you will so nether are phased much by it all since they juggle the debt and get enough money in to make creditors and stock holders happy.

frankly the PS3 needs a solid price drop theres no way its going to compete otherwise,this dose not mean it has to out right match its opponents but it can't go over 120 on their price(avraging out the 360/WII price makes for a 300-400 or 350-400 range from there you cant go over 520 tops if you do it will only damage sales) the high end crowd seems to fear a price drop when all it will do is open markets and and bring in game sales that could well stop the bleeding sooner..

5120.7.2007 10:21

Just the typical marketing ploy that they started using with printers many years ago. Sell the printer at a lose and SOAK them on ink and accessories. This gets people in that couldn't afford it but then they make even more money down the road then if they just sold at normal pricing. MS was upset at the original XBox being used as a Linux server because the people were not buying software and it took several software sales to make up for the lose in the initial purchase.

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5220.7.2007 10:25

ZIppyDSM,

With 45 seconds spent googling around, I couldn't confirm if MS has already hit break-even with Xbox 360 hardware. If they have, then good for them - original Xbox made losses all the way, but as mentioned earlier. Even though Sony is spread around various industries, their financial problems and losses have been in the news regulary. If you know anything about the corporate life, they do care about the financial results of different business groups and not just the total figure for the whole corporation.

It will be interesting to see how far can the Wii boom carry. It is a cheap machine and technologically more comparable to Xbox or PS2 (which is still selling like pancakes). I have the feeling that at some point people will demand HD content, but I have been wrong before :)

And if Sony can drop the PS3, hell great! I have not yet bought one, but most likely will during 2008. Of course the economics of scale will help them on the long run. I just don't consider PS3 that expensive. It contain crapload of high end technology and it is sold below manufacturing costs. When PS2 first arrived to Finland it cost FIM3290, which is roughly 550 - I didn't hear anyone crying back then. And 550 back then was a whole lot more than it is now, due to inflation.

5320.7.2007 15:09

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by SProdigy:
Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.
HUH???
I'm sorry SProdigy but you cannot compare Intel and AMD to PS3 and WII.
Mmmm if there were only WII and PS3 then the WII would be intel because it did well long ago and had a hard time keeping up with ADM,now the WII/intel has out maneuvered ADM, but CPUs are a bad exsmaple because there is no 3rd wheel....

It seems to some sony fans dismiss the WIIs sudden dominance and refuse to see the PS3 for the high end game machine it is,face it the PS3 will never return to where the PS2 was its to late,all they can do is lay a foundation that will make it 2nd to the WII in consoles and above the 360 in high end gaming/entertainment.

Now if Zony finally realizes its place in the world and sets the PS3 350 or lower price point it just might reclaim its proper throne(and no even if the 360 was 100 it would not do much better because of the lack of diverse 3rd party support).
Once again!
HUH??
Zippy I came to the conclusion that you dislike the PS3 (360 too) with a passion. It seems every time there is an article based on PS3 (or 360) you have something to say. Alright you are in love with the WII and that's fine. As I stated before the WII is just like a fad. Everybody gets excited for awhile and then you hear nothing about it later on down the road. The technology is outdated and the only thing they have going for them is the little controller. Last time I checked it was called AMD. Correct CPU's are bad example. Man, what is up with the hatred? If you enjoy the WII, PS3, and 360 okay why get into heated arguments over companies that do not give a lick about none of us. Just enjoy the games.

5421.7.2007 0:01

Well here are my 0.02$ - Are there any good jRPG games for PS3 at the moment? none that i'm aware of so I'm surre there will be noticeble increase of ps3 sales once FFXIII hits the stores ( Well I'm buying one then :D ) also I asume there are a lot of jRPG fans out there that just wouldn't know what to do with ps3 if they bought it now.
FF aside I'm also waiting for Star Ocean 4, maybe Valkyrie Profile 3 and I'm sure Ps3 will have LOADS of other jrpg's (good and bad but jRPG ... not many of those on xBox360).
But I must admit I'm really afraid of Wii's market dominance - dev's might shift to it and then .. no games for ps3 (or worse some - badly ported games).

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5521.7.2007 12:32

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The numbers are somewhat surprising as Sony has traditionally done well in Japan and around Asia, handily beating its rivals
Wii is just more fun to play.

It is surprising how many people don't care about high resolution.

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The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005
Asians support asian products, as simple as that. They will choose between Wii and PS3 nobody else.

5621.7.2007 12:38

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The numbers are somewhat surprising as Sony has traditionally done well in Japan and around Asia, handily beating its rivals
Wii is just more fun to play.

It is surprising how many people don't care about high resolution.

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The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005
Asians support asian products, as simple as that.

They are going to choose between Wii and PS3 nobody else. We are naive we want the best to win.........

5721.7.2007 16:29

cd-rw.org
From what I have seen and read MS has broken even on unit per CURRENT unit sales this is coarse is without the red ink from building the brand and the current fail rate scandal.

I feel the WII boom will carry for half if not most of this gens supposed cycle (till 011-012), so the WII will be a hot item for the next 2 or 3 years and as I see it the sooner the PS3 get under 400 the sooner the WII boom will end MS sure as heck cant sale as well as the WII can but sony easily could if it was in the 350-450 range.

Personally 600 is not out of the question but I hate spending more than 300-400 on anythign game wise since gaming has become so damn mediocre or I have become a jaded old fart LOL
I look at world sales and pricing and I think that if the PS3 dropped to under 500 USD world wide it would start selling like the WII or at least double whats its selling now.



tru003
yes enjoying the games can be good,but I was merely pointing out some facts that the fans on either sides don't want to talk about.
BTW I don't have a WII yet,I am not happy with its BWC or VC its ok even a bit better than the others but they kinda want top dollar (10$ for N64 game,2-5 for nes) for very basic emulation add to it lack of any button customization for WII,GC,VC games.....the WII has been inventive the other "shoe" if you will is thats its meek innovation at best,they really could have made this thing prefect they they just put a bit more effort into it(save states,graphic tweaks,speed hacks for emluation and full pad customization for WII,GC,VC).


DancingWD
meh most RPGs are suffering a bit to much from mainstreaming now adays FF12 is hella weak 10 was not much better at least it far from the joke 8 was,I love RPGs but wheres the fun in poor or watered limited equipment and skills I can take a bad story but the game play has to at least keep me awake...

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