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Microsoft plans Windows 7 release in 3 years

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 20 Jul 2007 21:09 User comments (63)

Microsoft plans Windows 7 release in 3 years As consumers, businesses, and technical publications ponder when Windows Vista will be capable of doing what Windows XP already does, Microsoft is already talking to its sales force about the next version of the operating system.
Tentatively being called Windows 7 (ie Windows NT version 7), there was little talk about features, but quite a bit about establishing a regular release schedule for new vesions of the #1 desktop operating system in the world.

This isn't surprising given the results of a study published earlier this month by Forrester Reasearch Inc. indicating that at least a quarter of Microsoft's corporate customers with software assurance licenses will stop using the service, and the number may end up being closer to 50%.

Software Assurance is the Microsoft program that allows customers with volume licenses for Windows automatically get upgrades when new versions come out. The problem is the time between Windows XP and Windows Vista has made customers question what they're getting for their money. This is very bad news for Microsoft since their revenue from the Software Assurance program was over $4 billion in the first quarter of this year alone.

The real question seems to be whether there will be any reason to upgrade to the next version of Windows. It can easily take more than a year to get a new operating system from initial beta test phase, before which almost all major changes must at least be ready for testing. In a three year schedule that only leaves two years to finalize changes from the last version.

With prices as high as $350 for some versions of Windows Vista, and likely adoption by many users to wait for new computer purchases, or at least the first service pack, it's hard to imagine a scenario under which future Windows releases would continue to generate the kind of excitement we saw for earlier versions of the operating system.

Sources: CNet News, Computerworld

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63 user comments

120.7.2007 21:28

bye bye vista

220.7.2007 21:41

just one more reason not to buy vista yet (if ever)

320.7.2007 21:44

Does this mean Microsoft thinks that Vista is a big failure? If they plan on releasing a new version of Winblows in 3 years (thats just 2010!) how much will it cost? Vista is $230-$350, from what I remember, right now so would it be safe to assume that the new Windows version is gonna be somewhere between $300-$500?

I would not be surprised if Microsoft released the "better" versions of this as-of-yet-named operating system on HD DVD in an attempt to get its format a major boost.

Peace

420.7.2007 22:07

i got vista for free with some upgrade program...
you get what you pay for..
it looks pretty...but o man so many program crashes..bugs...afkdjakdjfhhkjd

520.7.2007 22:08
WierdName
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Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
Does this mean Microsoft thinks that Vista is a big failure? If they plan on releasing a new version of Winblows in 3 years (thats just 2010!) how much will it cost? Vista is $230-$350, from what I remember, right now so would it be safe to assume that the new Windows version is gonna be somewhere between $300-$500?
I know its on a totally different thought path but, that would be very ironic. I mean, they knock Sony because of the $500-$600 (60GB now down to $500) in the game console section then turn around and charge about the same for an OS that will cost the user even more because they need to update their hardware.

...Wow, that was a run on sentence.

620.7.2007 22:12
fgamer
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This really confuses me, I can't believe they're thinking of making another OS in such a short period of time and Vista hasn't even been out for a year yet. Anyways I'll make the upgrade if necessary, I always like trying new OS's..most don't but I do.

721.7.2007 0:07

This actully makes sense. OS upgrade is 3-5 years. and vista is been out a year already. So that would be 4 years. Which isn't bad.

821.7.2007 0:24

It takes MS 5 years just to fix the major bugs, security holes, and incompatibility issues! We would never have an OS that worked right!!

921.7.2007 6:15
webe123
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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
i got vista for free with some upgrade program...
you get what you pay for..
it looks pretty...but o man so many program crashes..bugs...afkdjakdjfhhkjd

Going by your logic...it would suggest that you didn't pay for windows...but you didn't GET anything with vista either.

1021.7.2007 6:31

They did the same with Windows Me. It was the worst and now Vista is the worst. When Billiam decides to create a OS using his teams own creativity and their own creative add-on that needs to be polished and made for QUALITY that would make a good OS. But as we all know Billiam and the gang arent that savey or smart. They will release another product that contains other companies products they down graded to work in their OS. Thus our current new OS Windows Shista.

1121.7.2007 6:35

I play a bunch with my computer too. Many OS, and 32 bit vs. 64 bit, and still today, the XP 32 bit works better with more software options. So why change?

1221.7.2007 8:02

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
i got vista for free with some upgrade program...
you get what you pay for..
it looks pretty...but o man so many program crashes..bugs...afkdjakdjfhhkjd
Same here. I install it on a separate Hard Drive because I need to reformat at-least once a month! To play games on Vista like Halo 2 (Vista only) you need to have a damn good computer (Dell XPS Gen 3: P4 HT 3.6, 1GB, 6800GT, Can only run the game on minimum settings)

1321.7.2007 9:07

This new secret OS will do for Windows what XP did for it. Totally blow the craptastic version out of the water and make people almost forget it was every around.
WIN98 good stuff (for it's time)
WIN ME eeewwww run away
WIN XP yeah now this is an upgrade!
WIN VISTA back to crap
WIN NT 7 prob gonna be a hit like XP

1421.7.2007 9:21

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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i got vista for free with some upgrade program...
you get what you pay for..
it looks pretty...but o man so many program crashes..bugs...afkdjakdjfhhkjd

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Originally posted by core2kid:
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Same here. I install it on a separate Hard Drive because I need to reformat at-least once a month! To play games on Vista like Halo 2 (Vista only) you need to have a damn good computer (Dell XPS Gen 3: P4 HT 3.6, 1GB, 6800GT, Can only run the game on minimum settings)
Get a better vid card and you should be able to raise the settings a bit. Vista is naturally a memory hog....that's why i'm never switching over...It's not worth it to me.
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1521.7.2007 10:22

Did you guys forget that Vista took longer to come out than expected? Same thing will happen w/7. They say 3 years but it'll be out (beta like todays Vista) in 5 years.

1621.7.2007 10:31
AXT
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I got my vista from the school for like $10 dollars so i don't really care.

1721.7.2007 11:41

Vista took what 7 years to come out with because of DirectX 10, so if you get rid of that you have the same timetable of 3-5, more likely the higher end of 4-5 years. M$ knows Vista sucked and needs a new one like ceno82 described, Vista was just an experiment to get DX10 out, expect win7 to be more polished Vista

1821.7.2007 11:43

I wish that they would build an OS which would take less memory and CPU than windows 98. Also I hope that the pricetag for Full-retail would be $100(OEM maybe for $50)... and if I could one more... it should have 1000x less security holes than the previous versions.


too bad none of my wishes will not come true... not even in my wildest dream

1921.7.2007 12:33

I recently bought a laptop at a local best buy store. The OS was, of course, windows vista. I've been using it for quite a while now, and so far, it's been reliable. Just to let you guys know, It has frozen on me while I was watching a video, but other than that, I haven't seen any major problems...yet.

I don't really mind Microsoft working on a new OS, But hopefully, they'll keep working on vista and fix all the bugs.

2021.7.2007 16:10

One thing that should be mentioned in the article is the Windows release cycle that Microsoft came up with a few years ago.

After Windows 2000 (ME doesn't really count), they brought the home and office lines of Windows together, which is why XP is based on NT. XP was meant to be a minor release, with Vista being a major release. The next version of Windows, 7 or Vienna or whatever, is going to be a minor release, now that they have everything back on track. XP was a minor release that became major because Vista took so damned long. So 3-5 years is about right for what should be a minor release.

What I'm saying is, just wait until the next major release.

2121.7.2007 18:13

vista=ME? LOL

I eman really ME lasted abotu 3 years then they finally released the real OS....

2221.7.2007 18:19

within 3 years.. ubuntu will have made 6 releases

2321.7.2007 18:28

Originally posted by madman91:
within 3 years.. ubuntu will have made 6 releases
and still no one would make games/software for it gee imagine that!

sorry until MS is broken and everyone wakes up and devs for unix/lunix MS will forever be everythign to computers.

2421.7.2007 18:51

I just heard from someone that Vista was released this early to compete against the new MacOSX and Ubuntu.

2521.7.2007 18:57

Toppo... There are Operatiing Systems that do what you are asking. You have to look for them on Torrent sites. I have seen versions of XP that require 64MB memory to run. I believe there is one called Tiny XP that is really good.


AMD Quad 9950, Asus Motherboard, 2G Kingston Ram, 512MB Asus 8600GT, Samsung DVD Rom sh- d162c, LG Rom GDR8163B,
LG Burner h62n

2621.7.2007 19:03

I for one, think it would be nice if the team at M$ would step out of their little collective box, and ask people, what features they would like to have incorpirated in the next OS. Get out of the 2 dementional and really step it up!
Just my 2.5 cents.

2721.7.2007 19:14
vinny13
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I use OS X Tiger :)

Can't wait for Leopard(October)...

Beta is out now but I'm not gonna try it yet... And when I get a PS3, I'm gonna get Ubuntu or whatever on it, or Yellow Dog, or Fedora... Whatever's less confusing.

2821.7.2007 20:51

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Same here. I install it on a separate Hard Drive because I need to reformat at-least once a month! To play games on Vista like Halo 2 (Vista only) you need to have a damn good computer (Dell XPS Gen 3: P4 HT 3.6, 1GB, 6800GT, Can only run the game on minimum settings)
If I'm not mistaken the game has already been cracked/hacked to play on XP...

Not that I would ever use XP either, just thought I'd point this out.

2921.7.2007 21:05

I just hope they don't make windows 7 to appear and act like MAC operating systems, like they have in vista...

3021.7.2007 23:21

I've got to agree with the other posters, This seems a lot like the ME release. A lot of hype for nothing only to have a new and much improved OS released a short time later.

I wasn't thinking about upgrading to Vista before, and now I'm wating for this new version 7 before I think about upgrading.

3122.7.2007 6:38

Originally posted by hikaricor:
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Same here. I install it on a separate Hard Drive because I need to reformat at-least once a month! To play games on Vista like Halo 2 (Vista only) you need to have a damn good computer (Dell XPS Gen 3: P4 HT 3.6, 1GB, 6800GT, Can only run the game on minimum settings)
If I'm not mistaken the game has already been cracked/hacked to play on XP...

Not that I would ever use XP either, just thought I'd point this out.

I do run it on XP but it there is a problem where you cannot get past the level "Gravemind" and I am stuck there. I have started to play on Vista with the readyboost feature on a 4GB thumbdrive and it drastically improved performance. (I still can't play DVDs on a Celeron D 2.93/1GB/ATI9800)

3222.7.2007 7:29

For the people that want to play Halo 2,why not just buy an Xbox.You save a bunch of money and don't have to worry about a garbage OS.Vista is garbage,it doesn't have backward compatibility with most programs and hardware.I bought a Sony laptop not that long ago,and it had Vista on it.I checked Sony's website to see if they had drivers for the laptop so I could switch to XP.They didn't have the drivers for XP,only Vista drivers.I had to manually get all the drivers myself so I could actually run XP.In my opinion XP is the best OS I have used so far,and I don't plan on being a test dummy for M$.Microsoft needs to focus on the main features an OS does,and what the people want from it just like uponthis said.

3322.7.2007 8:16

Originally posted by L-Burna:
For the people that want to play Halo 2,why not just buy an Xbox.You save a bunch of money and don't have to worry about a garbage OS.Vista is garbage,it doesn't have backward compatibility with most programs and hardware.I bought a Sony laptop not that long ago,and it had Vista on it.I checked Sony's website to see if they had drivers for the laptop so I could switch to XP.They didn't have the drivers for XP,only Vista drivers.I had to manually get all the drivers myself so I could actually run XP.In my opinion XP is the best OS I have used so far,and I don't plan on being a test dummy for M$.Microsoft needs to focus on the main features an OS does,and what the people want from it just like uponthis said.
No your better off with the XP halo 2 it dose not run online yet but hell mouse+KB=WTF , plus Halo 1 is on the PC :P

3422.7.2007 10:15

Right...So apparently Microsoft wants to decrease the time it takes to release new operating systems to around 3 year intervals. I can certainly understand this. Regularly scheduled releases would be nice. Would be, that is, if the release went semi-flawlessly, and every new OS did what it was hyped to do, and as well as it was hyped to do it. So here is my problem with this scenario. The article says, "The problem is the time between Windows XP and Windows Vista has made (Volume License) customers question what they're getting for their money. This implies that the people who pay large amounts of money for Volume Licensing are upset that releases don't come more often. Microsoft's logic fails me here. First of all, large corporations don't adopt a new OS until most of the kinks have been worked out. But let's look at Vista. It falls way behind XP as far as performance is concerned... Sure it's got DirectX 10 and all sorts of eye candy, but the bottom line is that it has a long way to go to be on par with XP. So what are these people so unhappy about and why is Microsoft clamoring to make them happy? Vista took 5 years to release, and will take at least another 2 before it stabilizes. And they want to be on a 3 year release schedule? Good Luck !!! Then they should call every other release a Service Pack instead of a brand new OS. Besides, I highly doubt that giant multi-billion dollar corporations are sweating the fee for volume licensing. So why the hell are they complaining about time between releases and what they're getting for their money, when Microsoft can't even release a solid OS in 5 years, not to mention 3. But hey...with this kind of reasoning, the time it takes for corporations to adopt a new OS will go not to 3 years, and not even to 5 years (Time it took for Vista to come out) but more like 6 because it will only make sense to upgrade to every other version, not to each successive one. Good going MicroShaft !!!

3522.7.2007 10:27

Originally posted by SuckRaven:
Right...So apparently Microsoft wants to decrease the time it takes to release new operating systems to around 3 year intervals. I can certainly understand this. Regularly scheduled releases would be nice. Would be, that is, if the release went semi-flawlessly, and every new OS did what it was hyped to do, and as well as it was hyped to do it. So here is my problem with this scenario. The article says, "The problem is the time between Windows XP and Windows Vista has made (Volume License) customers question what they're getting for their money. This implies that the people who pay large amounts of money for Volume Licensing are upset that releases don't come more often. Microsoft's logic fails me here. First of all, large corporations don't adopt a new OS until most of the kinks have been worked out. But let's look at Vista. It falls way behind XP as far as performance is concerned... Sure it's got DirectX 10 and all sorts of eye candy, but the bottom line is that it has a long way to go to be on par with XP. So what are these people so unhappy about and why is Microsoft clamoring to make them happy? Vista took 5 years to release, and will take at least another 2 before it stabilizes. And they want to be on a 3 year release schedule? Good Luck !!! Then they should call every other release a Service Pack instead of a brand new OS. Besides, I highly doubt that giant multi-billion dollar corporations are sweating the fee for volume licensing. So why the hell are they complaining about time between releases and what they're getting for their money, when Microsoft can't even release a solid OS in 5 years, not to mention 3. But hey...with this kind of reasoning, the time it takes for corporations to adopt a new OS will go not to 3 years, and not even to 5 years (Time it took for Vista to come out) but more like 6 because it will only make sense to upgrade to every other version, not to each successive one. Good going MicroShaft !!!
Not really it seems MS needs in between time to dev a solid OS much like ME was a "upgrade" vista is basically the same,really they should come out and same this is a stop gap OS until we can release a full blown new OS.

3622.7.2007 16:58

I use Windows XP. Since it is based on Windows NT, the code is very solid. Windows 95, 98 98SE, and ME are based on a different code base and is less solid; hence the BSOD's. I will stick with XP as long as it is still supported (which I believe will be for at least another three years).

As for Vista, it sends me no messages. By this I mean that it is expensive, requires beefier hardware, device drivers that may never materialize for printers, scanners, etc. that you now own, AND many people still request XP instead of Vista. The only thing positive is that Vista, with DirectX 10 will give you more vivid "eye candy".

Bill Gates, for the last eight out of ten years has been voted by Forbes magazine as 'The Worlds Richest Person'. You don't get there by fixing existing products to function better; you get there by releasing new products such as Vista OS, Office 2007, and Visual Studio 2008.

I'm sticking with my XP OS, Office 2002, and Visual Studio 2005. I also am using an older computer running Linux! I am far from be a Linux Guru, but I am working V E R Y hard to become one. I started using Linux only 7 months ago and it blew my mind; How many operating systems come with five or six compilers- all for free?

Well, there's my two-cents worth of info for what it's worth.

3722.7.2007 17:18

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No your better off with the XP halo 2 it dose not run online yet but hell mouse+KB=WTF , plus Halo 1 is on the PC :P
I guess it depends on the person ZIppyDSM,because I prefer a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse.They both have an advantage I guess,but I think if you get an Xbox it runs better and you don't need to purchase an expensive graphics card to run it or the OS.I also thought about it and if you get a 360 you would not only benefit Halo 2,but Halo 3 as well.I'm not sure if Halo 3 will be out on the PC,but if it does come out it will probably be years from now.You could hit two birds with one stone by getting a 360 or get the regular Xbox game system that runs the game at full speed instead of spending a bunch of money.It is just an opinion though,and everybody has their own opinion on the subject I bet.

3822.7.2007 17:50

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No your better off with the XP halo 2 it dose not run online yet but hell mouse+KB=WTF , plus Halo 1 is on the PC :P
I guess it depends on the person ZIppyDSM,because I prefer a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse.They both have an advantage I guess,but I think if you get an Xbox it runs better and you don't need to purchase an expensive graphics card to run it or the OS.I also thought about it and if you get a 360 you would not only benefit Halo 2,but Halo 3 as well.I'm not sure if Halo 3 will be out on the PC,but if it does come out it will probably be years from now.You could hit two birds with one stone by getting a 360 or get the regular Xbox game system that runs the game at full speed instead of spending a bunch of money.It is just an opinion though,and everybody has their own opinion on the subject I bet.
my 6200OC can run Halo 1 fine on meduim settings(which look better than it on the Xbox) and halo 2 ok on low(ya Xbox dose look better...after it loads it...),I got a whole 80$ 7600512MB PCI e card and it runs both max fine.

Hell it runs Quake 4 and Doom 3 maxed out even runs MM dark messiah on high fine 0-o

and I only have 1GB of ramm and a 3700 ADM 64

PC is a lot cheaper than you think,there are reasons why I dont have a 360 yet BWC totally pissed me off,then after the first time disc eating came up 1-2 years ago I said I'd give it a year and now the fail rate has poped up it seems to me the 360 is as costly as basic PC gaming and a refund from MS is not 100% you may or may not get one.

Halo 2 jsut plays better on the PC no stupid auto aim screwing with me tryign to aim and I can put buttons where I want them non of this cookie cutter BS 98% of console games have god for the days of the N64 and PSX where you could configure FP games...

The only real down side of PC is that most put stuff on the 360 first,I'd love the 360 if they would open up to full button mapping even if its only on the control pad,but meh they have a KB/mouse adapter thing that can replace a pad but its limited in its custmizbilty I hope by the time the 65nm units get out max shooter will have their 360 adapter up and running!

oh and BTW you can use a pad on the PC and it works lovely and you can even customize the buttons too!! :X

3923.7.2007 5:02

I'll stick with XP for as long as possible.It's quite stable and is compatible with all my software.I'd like to try Ubuntu Linux but I'd miss all the software I use,and even though there are free alternatives I just don't want to waste a load of time learning a new OS and other software.My 360 is media networked to my PC and this is another reason why I won't change.
Microsoft should release a wireless keyboard and mouse for die-hard
fps gamers on the 360 and get developers to support it.Full mapping of game controls should be upto the user too.

4023.7.2007 7:11

Originally posted by ChromeMud:
I'll stick with XP for as long as possible.It's quite stable and is compatible with all my software.I'd like to try Ubuntu Linux but I'd miss all the software I use,and even though there are free alternatives I just don't want to waste a load of time learning a new OS and other software.My 360 is media networked to my PC and this is another reason why I won't change.
Microsoft should release a wireless keyboard and mouse for die-hard
fps gamers on the 360 and get developers to support it.Full mapping of game controls should be upto the user too.

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XFPS makes a 60$ adapter that makes your KB and mouse a game pad on the 360,I have the Maxshooter ones and a joyfraag (no 360 yet only PS2/Xbox)it emulates a pad and dose a ok job at it,the max shooter even lets you redefine keys/buttons but tis limited to the 12 keys it uses.

All in all its not bad and works well enough,I'll see about getting one before I get a 65NM unit.

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4123.7.2007 15:27

The issue here is not if Vista is any good or so its the fact that it is a strong Operating System and only over time we will know its full capabilities. To talk about a new OS this soon is just made in my book we are just getting to know Vista now.

Just give it all time.

4224.7.2007 5:02

Cheers for the info ZIppyDSM,I'll have to check that XFPS adapter on the net to see what others are saying about it.
I only ever get a new OS when I buy a PC which is every 5 years or more.I remember when XP first came out and people were having driver problems and incapatabile hardware so I think Vista will improve over time just like XP did.

4324.7.2007 11:12

Originally posted by ChromeMud:
Cheers for the info ZIppyDSM,I'll have to check that XFPS adapter on the net to see what others are saying about it.
I only ever get a new OS when I buy a PC which is every 5 years or more.I remember when XP first came out and people were having driver problems and incapatabile hardware so I think Vista will improve over time just like XP did.
from what I have seen the adapter is better than the jerky joy frag,and alsmot as custmizlable as the Maxshooter but it has acouple issues I cant remember what they are tho LOL

the only problem I see with vista is they are moving to quickly for vista only games/programs for a OS that will only last 3 years....

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4428.7.2007 1:22

I tried vista on a friends comp. he'd bought a new vista ready. 3.5 processor and 2 gigs of ram. He isn't that happy with it and I didn't like it. XP is better.
However, having got out of games, I decided to wipe my xp partition and go completely linux. Ubuntu got wiped too and pclos installed. It runs faster than xp, is eye candied to the max and rarely tops 400 megs of ram (I've 1 gig and a 2 gig swap). After over 10 years of MS I'm completely free nad have a legal os that does everything I need and zips along.

4528.7.2007 1:42

I don't know if anyone else feels this way but a lot of this just sounds like people that like to bee itch about ms which is fine. The one thing I'm curious about is if what I heard is true and that was that Vista is going to be the last os released in an x86 or how do you say 32bit environment. If that's the case hopefully all the software manufacturers will be able to make that jump and hopefully ms will be able to finally be compitant enough to have a 64bit os that has effective 32bit compatibility for the backwards eng. purposes. As for those who are bee itching bout Vista I think your half right. The basic editions of Vista are junk the Ultimate is about the only edition I'd go with and I wouldn't upgrade unless you have like 2GB of ram cause otherwise it really doesn't effectively use ram but at 2gb it runs fine and I've found to be quite effective with lil to no draw backs. As for any of ms 64bit os's they still have a way's to come.

4628.7.2007 1:48

Originally posted by pezz737:
I don't know if anyone else feels this way but a lot of this just sounds like people that like to bee itch about ms which is fine. The one thing I'm curious about is if what I heard is true and that was that Vista is going to be the last os released in an x86 or how do you say 32bit environment. If that's the case hopefully all the software manufacturers will be able to make that jump and hopefully ms will be able to finally be compitant enough to have a 64bit os that has effective 32bit compatibility for the backwards eng. purposes. As for those who are bee itching bout Vista I think your half right. The basic editions of Vista are junk the Ultimate is about the only edition I'd go with and I wouldn't upgrade unless you have like 2GB of ram cause otherwise it really doesn't effectively use ram but at 2gb it runs fine and I've found to be quite effective with lil to no draw backs. As for any of ms 64bit os's they still have a way's to come.

The really irritating thing was the nag screens. I managed to turn them off for my mate (he doesn't speak English). I'm not slamming MS. Win2k was a great OS and xp too. I just think that for all the hype, there is something lacking with vista.

4728.7.2007 2:27

I agree with your hype comment as such but as for the nagging screens that's a matter of sp2 settings which you can reach in the new type start menu by typing loc which will bring up local securith policy. You go into that and go into local policies then security options. Under the securtiy options in your right pane scroll down to the bottom and the first prompt for credetial for user access control set to elevate without prompt the second one leave and disable all the rest aside from the last user access control and you won't have the nagging screens. That was the first thing I did as I'm not a fan of sp2 where I know what I want my computer to do and don't like being asked a half dozen times if that's what I want to do. Remember only change settings that are designated as user access controls with the criteria i explained above and be sure your the admin. user in vista otherwise these changes will have lil progress toward your desired end.

4828.7.2007 11:01

question is this new windows 2004 ya know the bis/sever side of windows os's an not the normal consumer or wil this thing replace vista?

4928.7.2007 11:37
chargerV8
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Microsoft seem only too willing to copy Apple software. (Vista copying OSX). Those of us with long enough memories (old gits like me) will remember that, that is what the Japanese car indusrty used to do in the 60's and 70's except that when Datsun copied british car components they fixed the design flaws and the result was a product that was better than the one it cloned. Things have changed now and Japan is a market leader but Microsoft should adopt the same philosophy. Mac's don't crash, they don't need powerful anti virus programs etc.

When will a PC for example have "secure empty trash" like on a mac so that when you delete something it really is deleted?

I use a mac and a PC but I will be keeping XP on my PC for as long as it works. Vista just seems like a poor OSX copy without the stability...if they can't make it stable in 5 years of development then what would you get in 3?

5028.7.2007 11:53

Originally posted by chargerV8:
Microsoft seem only too willing to copy Apple software. (Vista copying OSX). Those of us with long enough memories (old gits like me) will remember that, that is what the Japanese car indusrty used to do in the 60's and 70's except that when Datsun copied british car components they fixed the design flaws and the result was a product that was better than the one it cloned. Things have changed now and Japan is a market leader but Microsoft should adopt the same philosophy. Mac's don't crash, they don't need powerful anti virus programs etc.

When will a PC for example have "secure empty trash" like on a mac so that when you delete something it really is deleted?

I use a mac and a PC but I will be keeping XP on my PC for as long as it works. Vista just seems like a poor OSX copy without the stability...if they can't make it stable in 5 years of development then what would you get in 3?
really? what system did the Xbox/360 copy? to my mind its the first steal PC games centered console I can think of :P

my bad this is the windows thread *L*
Anyway everyone copy's from everyone else the question is can they copy good or poorly.
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5128.7.2007 12:03

Originally posted by chargerV8:
Microsoft seem only too willing to copy Apple software. (Vista copying OSX). Those of us with long enough memories (old gits like me) will remember that, that is what the Japanese car indusrty used to do in the 60's and 70's except that when Datsun copied british car components they fixed the design flaws and the result was a product that was better than the one it cloned. Things have changed now and Japan is a market leader but Microsoft should adopt the same philosophy. Mac's don't crash, they don't need powerful anti virus programs etc.

When will a PC for example have "secure empty trash" like on a mac so that when you delete something it really is deleted?

I use a mac and a PC but I will be keeping XP on my PC for as long as it works. Vista just seems like a poor OSX copy without the stability...if they can't make it stable in 5 years of development then what would you get in 3?


As I was trying to say earlier I have no problems with my vista rig crashing. I had more instances, only a few, but still more instances of the same rig crashing with xp. However you feel is how you feel my words or experiences are not going to change that, I do kinda understand where your frustration with vista may come as I did need to get the newer ver. of my software in some cases but it was about time I did that anyway. As for osx I can't even comment about that as I haven't used it but it's about time mac or apple whatever it's called now got an effective os for it's systems cause that's what turned me away when I first used a mac/apple again 5years ago was the fact that it chugged along just to bring up the home page took like 10-15min. so is good to hear they finally have an os that can opperate efficiently. I mean don't get me wrong I'm not an advocate or even endorse ms's inept fashion for progress in there software I'm just saying half these ppl that are dogging on vista really don't know half of what there saying cause it's run fine for me on 3 seperate rig's and driver update capability is finally at least somewhat effective and conveient which is a nice change and I sure you can't say that about xp's driver update capability considering you need to search out the manufacturer site for such updates in all cases. I'm really not looking to debate this as much as those who are just resistant to change. My main reason for the upgrade is for the time when someone can offer a hack for ms live so I can online game with x-box users with the directx10 capability in vista. It's a nicer looking os and I fine it quite a bit more efficient than xp prove to be considering how many years xp's been released for.

5228.7.2007 12:07

Plus no one has yet to confirm or deny what I heard which was my real question in posting here and that is if it's true that the win. ver.7 will only be released as a 64bit os. If someone can say they know that and confirm than maybe I've found someone who knows something toward ms releases.

5328.7.2007 12:16

Originally posted by pezz737:
Plus no one has yet to confirm or deny what I heard which was my real question in posting here and that is if it's true that the win. ver.7 will only be released as a 64bit os. If someone can say they know that and confirm than maybe I've found someone who knows something toward ms releases.
Mmmm I have tried some macs some run better than like PC units and some don't but from experances they do tend to run better,altho I love XP so both vista and osx can kiss my rear :P

5428.7.2007 12:56

Originally posted by pezz737:
I agree with your hype comment as such but as for the nagging screens that's a matter of sp2 settings which you can reach in the new type start menu by typing loc which will bring up local securith policy. You go into that and go into local policies then security options. Under the securtiy options in your right pane scroll down to the bottom and the first prompt for credetial for user access control set to elevate without prompt the second one leave and disable all the rest aside from the last user access control and you won't have the nagging screens. That was the first thing I did as I'm not a fan of sp2 where I know what I want my computer to do and don't like being asked a half dozen times if that's what I want to do. Remember only change settings that are designated as user access controls with the criteria i explained above and be sure your the admin. user in vista otherwise these changes will have lil progress toward your desired end.
Huh.
In linux you are only the admin when you put in your pword. MS doesn't do a root user as default and that is why it is full of adware and virae.
I know we get our vista fans but if I was still on MS I'd stick with xp or W2K. at least with my OS I've got out of the box. No software to play dvds needed, no going to major geeks for codecs - if I need something I get it from the synaptic depository and no DRM thankyou and no more paperclips.
MS has to understand that some of us are mature users and we don't need nag screens orbob or effin clippies etc. They should try to treat us as adults.
I also object to paying almost a months salary (yes I live in a poorer country) for a disk that isn't even mine. At least with a commercial linux I'm free to remaster. Would you like it if you paid for a new car and couldn't change the tyres without the manufacturers permission? then again if it was an MS car, you wouldn't be allowed the wrench to loosen the wheel nuts.

5528.7.2007 13:06

Quote:
Originally posted by pezz737:
I agree with your hype comment as such but as for the nagging screens that's a matter of sp2 settings which you can reach in the new type start menu by typing loc which will bring up local securith policy. You go into that and go into local policies then security options. Under the securtiy options in your right pane scroll down to the bottom and the first prompt for credetial for user access control set to elevate without prompt the second one leave and disable all the rest aside from the last user access control and you won't have the nagging screens. That was the first thing I did as I'm not a fan of sp2 where I know what I want my computer to do and don't like being asked a half dozen times if that's what I want to do. Remember only change settings that are designated as user access controls with the criteria i explained above and be sure your the admin. user in vista otherwise these changes will have lil progress toward your desired end.
Huh.
In linux you are only the admin when you put in your pword. MS doesn't do a root user as default and that is why it is full of adware and virae.
I know we get our vista fans but if I was still on MS I'd stick with xp or W2K. at least with my OS I've got out of the box. No software to play dvds needed, no going to major geeks for codecs - if I need something I get it from the synaptic depository and no DRM thankyou and no more paperclips.
MS has to understand that some of us are mature users and we don't need nag screens orbob or effin clippies etc. They should try to treat us as adults.
I also object to paying almost a months salary (yes I live in a poorer country) for a disk that isn't even mine. At least with a commercial linux I'm free to remaster. Would you like it if you paid for a new car and couldn't change the tyres without the manufacturers permission? then again if it was an MS car, you wouldn't be allowed the wrench to loosen the wheel nuts.

Well your comments show your definately a well informed mature adult. Sry to tell you sir but I'm poor as well and only have vista thnx to dl's and I don't deal with drm either and if I want to change my sound at start up through out or any other aspect I do. To show how well informed you aparently you didn't read my first post where post where I'd only use the Ultimate ver. but I'm sure the permium ver. come packed with the decrypter already. As for downloading codec's from geeks I merely stick with a divx or xvid I'm a little smarter than to have to download a pack with every codec under the sun. Plus from my experience I mean no disrespect to the truely wise linux heads but if your downloading for linux I'd have to imagine your downloading from geeks as how I remember the linux heads when i was coming up. Is all fine as I said if you have your way is fine but if linux is so much of all of that why would you even look at and particularly why in the stars in the earth would you even look at a ver.7 windows thread. Lmao. Whatever chumpy.

5628.7.2007 13:07

Quote:
Originally posted by pezz737:
I agree with your hype comment as such but as for the nagging screens that's a matter of sp2 settings which you can reach in the new type start menu by typing loc which will bring up local securith policy. You go into that and go into local policies then security options. Under the securtiy options in your right pane scroll down to the bottom and the first prompt for credetial for user access control set to elevate without prompt the second one leave and disable all the rest aside from the last user access control and you won't have the nagging screens. That was the first thing I did as I'm not a fan of sp2 where I know what I want my computer to do and don't like being asked a half dozen times if that's what I want to do. Remember only change settings that are designated as user access controls with the criteria i explained above and be sure your the admin. user in vista otherwise these changes will have lil progress toward your desired end.
Huh.
In linux you are only the admin when you put in your pword. MS doesn't do a root user as default and that is why it is full of adware and virae.
I know we get our vista fans but if I was still on MS I'd stick with xp or W2K. at least with my OS I've got out of the box. No software to play dvds needed, no going to major geeks for codecs - if I need something I get it from the synaptic depository and no DRM thankyou and no more paperclips.
MS has to understand that some of us are mature users and we don't need nag screens orbob or effin clippies etc. They should try to treat us as adults.
I also object to paying almost a months salary (yes I live in a poorer country) for a disk that isn't even mine. At least with a commercial linux I'm free to remaster. Would you like it if you paid for a new car and couldn't change the tyres without the manufacturers permission? then again if it was an MS car, you wouldn't be allowed the wrench to loosen the wheel nuts.

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MS should loosen some of its BS first off make a streamlined install so you can just turn off all the extra crap you don't need, next let consumers use 4 copies on a network,next 5X the WGA checking thing where it wont tell you to phone MS if you have to reinstall the OS 2 or 3 times in the same week finally MS must get it threw their heads a OS over 200 is going to cost them more money in the long run than just by putting it at 200 and letting people afford the damn OS.

MS can innovate its pricing and protection schemes and make the same or more moeny from it than by doing this protect every penny lose every nickle spew.

5728.7.2007 13:11

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by pezz737:
I agree with your hype comment as such but as for the nagging screens that's a matter of sp2 settings which you can reach in the new type start menu by typing loc which will bring up local securith policy. You go into that and go into local policies then security options. Under the securtiy options in your right pane scroll down to the bottom and the first prompt for credetial for user access control set to elevate without prompt the second one leave and disable all the rest aside from the last user access control and you won't have the nagging screens. That was the first thing I did as I'm not a fan of sp2 where I know what I want my computer to do and don't like being asked a half dozen times if that's what I want to do. Remember only change settings that are designated as user access controls with the criteria i explained above and be sure your the admin. user in vista otherwise these changes will have lil progress toward your desired end.
Huh.
In linux you are only the admin when you put in your pword. MS doesn't do a root user as default and that is why it is full of adware and virae.
I know we get our vista fans but if I was still on MS I'd stick with xp or W2K. at least with my OS I've got out of the box. No software to play dvds needed, no going to major geeks for codecs - if I need something I get it from the synaptic depository and no DRM thankyou and no more paperclips.
MS has to understand that some of us are mature users and we don't need nag screens orbob or effin clippies etc. They should try to treat us as adults.
I also object to paying almost a months salary (yes I live in a poorer country) for a disk that isn't even mine. At least with a commercial linux I'm free to remaster. Would you like it if you paid for a new car and couldn't change the tyres without the manufacturers permission? then again if it was an MS car, you wouldn't be allowed the wrench to loosen the wheel nuts.

Well your comments show your definately a well informed mature adult. Sry to tell you sir but I'm poor as well and only have vista thnx to dl's and I don't deal with drm either and if I want to change my sound at start up through out or any other aspect I do. To show how well informed you aparently you didn't read my first post where post where I'd only use the Ultimate ver. but I'm sure the permium ver. come packed with the decrypter already. As for downloading codec's from geeks I merely stick with a divx or xvid I'm a little smarter than to have to download a pack with every codec under the sun. Plus from my experience I mean no disrespect to the truely wise linux heads but if your downloading for linux I'd have to imagine your downloading from geeks as how I remember the linux heads when i was coming up. Is all fine as I said if you have your way is fine but if linux is so much of all of that why would you even look at and particularly why in the stars in the earth would you even look at a ver.7 windows thread. Lmao. Whatever chumpy.
I prefer K lite codec mega pack myself it jsut saves me from downloading every lil codec I need.


windows is great for 1 reason and thats everything runs on it,its why the 360 can not sustain world wide sales because the Japaneses systems will be where most of the games will be.

5828.7.2007 13:25

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by pezz737:
I agree with your hype comment as such but as for the nagging screens that's a matter of sp2 settings which you can reach in the new type start menu by typing loc which will bring up local securith policy. You go into that and go into local policies then security options. Under the securtiy options in your right pane scroll down to the bottom and the first prompt for credetial for user access control set to elevate without prompt the second one leave and disable all the rest aside from the last user access control and you won't have the nagging screens. That was the first thing I did as I'm not a fan of sp2 where I know what I want my computer to do and don't like being asked a half dozen times if that's what I want to do. Remember only change settings that are designated as user access controls with the criteria i explained above and be sure your the admin. user in vista otherwise these changes will have lil progress toward your desired end.
Huh.
In linux you are only the admin when you put in your pword. MS doesn't do a root user as default and that is why it is full of adware and virae.
I know we get our vista fans but if I was still on MS I'd stick with xp or W2K. at least with my OS I've got out of the box. No software to play dvds needed, no going to major geeks for codecs - if I need something I get it from the synaptic depository and no DRM thankyou and no more paperclips.
MS has to understand that some of us are mature users and we don't need nag screens orbob or effin clippies etc. They should try to treat us as adults.
I also object to paying almost a months salary (yes I live in a poorer country) for a disk that isn't even mine. At least with a commercial linux I'm free to remaster. Would you like it if you paid for a new car and couldn't change the tyres without the manufacturers permission? then again if it was an MS car, you wouldn't be allowed the wrench to loosen the wheel nuts.

Well your comments show your definately a well informed mature adult. Sry to tell you sir but I'm poor as well and only have vista thnx to dl's and I don't deal with drm either and if I want to change my sound at start up through out or any other aspect I do. To show how well informed you aparently you didn't read my first post where post where I'd only use the Ultimate ver. but I'm sure the permium ver. come packed with the decrypter already. As for downloading codec's from geeks I merely stick with a divx or xvid I'm a little smarter than to have to download a pack with every codec under the sun. Plus from my experience I mean no disrespect to the truely wise linux heads but if your downloading for linux I'd have to imagine your downloading from geeks as how I remember the linux heads when i was coming up. Is all fine as I said if you have your way is fine but if linux is so much of all of that why would you even look at and particularly why in the stars in the earth would you even look at a ver.7 windows thread. Lmao. Whatever chumpy.
Whatever. Some of us know more than one OS chumpy yerself
Don't know what you mean by downloading from geeks. Maybe you don't know that windows dl site majorgeeks. I just spent about two hours downloading stuff from that to get a friends W2K running and yes it included the ace Klite codec package with it's superior player (I prefer Gom myself)
If you want to be a fanboi at least try other OS. I did and that is why I responded here.

5928.7.2007 14:19

likewise buddy no need to get all defensive and the geek comment was in reponse toward your geek comment. I'm done here cause apparently everyone just wants to bitch and not share any real info about this upcoming release or any realistic info. I'm out.

6028.7.2007 14:30

Originally posted by pezz737:
likewise buddy no need to get all defensive and the geek comment was in reponse toward your geek comment. I'm done here cause apparently everyone just wants to bitch and not share any real info about this upcoming release or any realistic info. I'm out.

What geek comment? I mentioned majorgeeks and that was all.
I see where you are coming from. I just think that if this release is based on vista then it is a dodo. If they want to do a decent NT then take it from the progression of W2K and xp without the vista intrusions.
That aint Windows bashing. Those two os were sound as F.

6129.7.2007 5:34

Quote:
Originally posted by pezz737:
Would you like it if you paid for a new car and couldn't change the tyres without the manufacturers permission? then again if it was an MS car, you wouldn't be allowed the wrench to loosen the wheel nuts.
If it was a MS car, and DRM'ed as much as Vista, you could only use Genuine MS Parts to replace the stuff that fell off or failed randomly. No aftermarket fixes for the stuff they bodged, and your car would have a transponder to keep in touch with MS Central, just to make sure you weren't doing anything they don't approve of, or can't make money off of. To continue with the car analogy, I don't want to have to wait for MS to release a SP to change the tire brand to something more appropriate for my needs -i.e. STPI vs ASPI, MS Java vs "real" java, etc. I use computers as tools, and am surrounded with boxes that run XP, Win2k, Win98se, Mac OS8.6, Amiga OS, BeOS/Zeta and several flavors of Linux/BSD unix. Each has it's strengths, but none of them is without its failures. My chief observation is that the open sourced OSes are a little slower to support new hardware, largely because the driver developers are volunteers who have to reverse engineer the hardware because they don't have the same level of "privileged" access that the Wintel developers have. They do however, fix the bugs, and don't release beta, or pre-beta software to their end users without a clear warning that it is not a finished product. Moreover, unlike MS, or Apple for that matter, they don't expect to be paid for the buggy software, and each sequential attempt at fixing it.

6230.7.2007 23:37

it took them 5 years to screw up vista, afraid to even see how bad they can screw up 7 in another 3 years.

6331.7.2007 11:12

Originally posted by FredBun:
it took them 5 years to screw up vista, afraid to even see how bad they can screw up 7 in another 3 years.
question is 7 a replacement for 03 or vista?

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