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Nintendo won't drop Wii price for holidays

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 12 Oct 2007 18:16 User comments (61)

Nintendo won't drop Wii price for holidays Despite the fact that both Microsoft and Sony have lowered the price of their next-gen consoles in preparation for the holidays, Nintendo has said that demand is so high that it will not drop the price of its Wii console.
"We'll stay at $249 for the foreseeable future," says Nintendo senior vice president of marketing George Harrison.

In recent months, Microsoft has dropped the price of the Xbox 360 by $50 USD while Sony has introduced a new cheaper, 40GB model in Europe and Japan. There have also been rumors floating around that Sony will drop the price of its 80GB model once the 60GB model completely sells out.

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112.10.2007 18:31
saltynuts
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no need for the big N to lower the price as it is already low enough.

212.10.2007 18:53

Too bad there are only about 5 or so good games for it (all 1st party too). In about 2 years the Wii will look like 1998 graphics (thief the dark project, anyone?).

Play Jericho, UT3, CoD4 or Gears and you'll see a *real* next-gen game.

312.10.2007 19:16

wii = gamecube with new controller (gamespot graphics comparison the same can you imagine that?)

at least the 360 can fight back but the wii no way

ps2 xbox => dvd
wii and 360 => dvd
ps3=> bluray => next-gen

plus ps3 is almost the same as a 360 now.
and i still hear ppl saying i sold my ps3 for a 360 , yeah right half of those ppl arelying don't get fooled.
ps3 is the way to go

412.10.2007 19:21
saltynuts
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i like the wii for my kids and wife to play so i wont bash it but i will say this its not fair to say that the wii is the best selling next-gen console because its not next-gen at all.i mean the controller has been done befor by the big N its called the power glove anybody over 25 should remember this.but hey its all good the wii is selling like hot cakes.and this is good for the big N after all i grew up on nintendo.

512.10.2007 19:28
saltynuts
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Originally posted by chaos_zzz:
wii = gamecube with new controller (gamespot graphics comparison the same can you imagine that?)

at least the 360 can fight back but the wii no way

ps2 xbox => dvd
wii and 360 => dvd
ps3=> bluray => next-gen

plus ps3 is almost the same as a 360 now.
and i still hear ppl saying i sold my ps3 for a 360 , yeah right half of those ppl arelying don't get fooled.
ps3 is the way to go






if there is a slew of good games i want on any console i will get that console.and if i owned a ps3 and the 360 had what i want then by by ps3 and hello 360 you see there are people out there that are not loyal to a brand but to what they want and if you want games right now then 360 but if you can hold out a little more then the ps3 will get the goods.as we type DEVS are working on the ps3.to get them games rolling.

612.10.2007 19:42
vinny13
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I'm loyal to Playstation I guess... I don't know but I always seem to like it the best. My first console was a PS1, later I got a GC and then bought a PS2 because the GC let me down, as well as the DS so I bought a PSP, and the line-up for next year's PS3 games is enough to satisfy me more then a Wii or 360, so I guess, ya.

And ever since I've converted my beliefs to Macintosh, I just hate MS now lol

712.10.2007 20:00
saltynuts
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Originally posted by vinny13:
I'm loyal to Playstation I guess... I don't know but I always seem to like it the best. My first console was a PS1, later I got a GC and then bought a PS2 because the GC let me down, as well as the DS so I bought a PSP, and the line-up for next year's PS3 games is enough to satisfy me more then a Wii or 360, so I guess, ya.

And ever since I've converted my beliefs to Macintosh, I just hate MS now lol





WOW i think my first console was a atari 2600 then a coleco vision,atari 5200,nintendo,sega master system,sega genesis,super nes,turbo grafix 16,sega saturn,ps1,sega dreamcast,ps2,xbox,xbox360,ps3,wii.this is not to brag but i think i was more loyal to sega because i owned all the sega consoles and loved them all its too bad they fell by the waste side.i know this is off subject but when you said first console it just bought memories.
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812.10.2007 23:57
theridges
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Originally posted by chaos_zzz:
wii = gamecube with new controller (gamespot graphics comparison the same can you imagine that?)

at least the 360 can fight back but the wii no way

ps2 xbox => dvd
wii and 360 => dvd
ps3=> bluray => next-gen

plus ps3 is almost the same as a 360 now.
and i still hear ppl saying i sold my ps3 for a 360 , yeah right half of those ppl arelying don't get fooled.
ps3 is the way to go

lol because of bluray riiiight...
at the beginning the ps3 was a standout because of exclusive titles but now most of them "exclusive" titles are also being released for the 360 so why buy a PS3 again?
especially with microsoft having a better online gaming network.

913.10.2007 1:52

I will buy a Wii when the new mario kart comes out for it & skip the large turds PS3,Xbox360. Their is no need to drop the price its doing great smashing the other two consoles. Way to go nintendo. Who ever thought gameplaying was more then just graphics (Sony,Microsoft) Don't try to force people into new media you will get a backlash *laughs at sony* I was a loyal fan of nin then jumped to sony & now they shot themselves in the foot now back to nin. *Jumps for joy im getting a wii* LoL

1013.10.2007 2:57

Originally posted by saltynuts:
i like the wii for my kids and wife to play so i wont bash it but i will say this its not fair to say that the wii is the best selling next-gen console because its not next-gen at all.i mean the controller has been done befor by the big N its called the power glove anybody over 25 should remember this.but hey its all good the wii is selling like hot cakes.and this is good for the big N after all i grew up on nintendo.
OMG...this is the first time i ever agree with 100% of what you said.You can't compare the tech between 360 & PS3 with the Wii.Wii is just a cheap gaming solution.Its fun to play but far as Nex-Gen its not even close to being a Nex-Gen system.The Wii is 6 years late i would have love to see it go up against the PS2.

Lets take a trip down memory lane.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/p...5790&cl=2970681

Looks like the Wii to me.
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1113.10.2007 3:05

To be honest, none of the new console excite me because the new games don't excite me. All very boring....

*goes back to playing GZDoom*

1213.10.2007 3:11

Originally posted by windsong:
Too bad there are only about 5 or so good games for it (all 1st party too). In about 2 years the Wii will look like 1998 graphics (thief the dark project, anyone?).

Play Jericho, UT3, CoD4 or Gears and you'll see a *real* next-gen game.
The Playstaitoin2 graphics were crap compered to the GC and XBOX, but that didn't affect sales

Nintendo wii's graphics sucks compered too the compertitoin but that hasn't affected sales

xbox360 is made by a cheap american *SOFTWARE* company and over heats, the online is too much. it's more easy too keep a dog than a xbox

1313.10.2007 3:45

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Originally posted by windsong:
Too bad there are only about 5 or so good games for it (all 1st party too). In about 2 years the Wii will look like 1998 graphics (thief the dark project, anyone?).

Play Jericho, UT3, CoD4 or Gears and you'll see a *real* next-gen game.
The Playstaitoin2 graphics were crap compered to the GC and XBOX, but that didn't affect sales

Nintendo wii's graphics sucks compered too the compertitoin but that hasn't affected sales

xbox360 is made by a cheap american *SOFTWARE* company and over heats, the online is too much. it's more easy too keep a dog than a xbox
and im pretty sure your grammar teacher game up on you too. but you know what. The 360 isn't as bad as you say it is. and besides its built in china. its not made by the cheap american company that made the operating system your computer is using so you can type all your hate.

The Wii wont make it long with its damn near 10 year old hardware for long. that gimmicky Wii remote thing gives people tennis elbow. Right now let the Big N shine with their old graphics and dumb play control. but that innovative crap will fade away.

Im not by any means a Microsoft supporter. but they are all over the place so quit hating and just deal with it. damn illiterate people talking junk. just makes me mad sometimes.

1413.10.2007 4:03
duke8888
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Of course they won't drop prices the holidays are the money makers for all high tech companies. Surprised they didn't go up or the supply will low as usual for the holidays.

1513.10.2007 4:28

wii is great value for money - the others charge rip off prices to make a fast profit. This is obvious by the way they are able to reduce the prices later. Always remember that the lowest price it reaches is the one they could have sold it for in the first place. I detest this trend of pricing to force something to become "exclusive" (fashion companies please note) - to kids of rich families it sends out the wrong learning signal that wealth is important, and to poor kids it sends out the message that "we don't care about you". I guess this about sums up the commercial world anyway!

Game consoles could be sold and marketed for about $200 - $300 MAX and sell million times more than they do (there is less kit than in a PC!) If they did this the market for games would increase and the price of those could drop by 50% or more too.

1613.10.2007 6:34

Why would anyone even expect Nintendo to lower their low price?

1713.10.2007 6:42

Can someone Tell me why my son can't play this game with others on the INTERNET ? Its very disporting to me after buying this along with 3 other games for this Nintendo Wii spending close to $500.00 I must of been crazy that day,Does anyone know if Nintendo will be coming out with some patch to play others on,on the INTERNET ?

1813.10.2007 6:51

I can't beleive the amoutn of fanboy **** on this topic.

'Oh i'm loyal to sony'

'intendo isn't next gen the graphcis are crap compared to ps3'

' it isn't *real* next gen'

WELL FIRST OFF WTF IS 'REAL' NEXT GEN? Motion senors? Good Graphics? Knew Controllers? Blue Ray? DVD9? 120gb or 80gb? Online?

Cause frankly when peopel go on about 'true/real' next gen gaming i don't understand what the hell they mean, i mean come on who is to say what is and what isn't.

Sony FB: slate everythign to amke them feel their stupid purchase was worth the rediculus money they spent on it

M$ FB: slate everythign when they get RROD

Nintedo FB: Go crazy shit at anythign when they are called 7 year olds and slate everything

Frankly it is all stupid. Each consol has it sown different things to offer.

PS3 has BR
360 has massive gaming libary and good graphics(better then ps3 because ps3 are ports) and good online
Wii has motion sensors pointy thing

Each ash their own thing, so people live with it, don't even both tryign to slate the wii because frankly its pointless as sales figures clearly show ur an idiot if u slate it, i'm currently saving up for a wii (already have a 360) so i can join the wii60 club with my mates. Frankly if u got a ps3 go watch ur BR movies because frankly i cba to hear u slate any other ocnsol as ps3 is failing its agmes are mainly ports and the exclusives are a pathetic attempt of games.

1913.10.2007 7:21

Why the animosity? Looking at the heading of this post, Nintendo Won't Drop Wii Price For Holidays, I see nothing but bias opinions about their fave consoles. Why can't we all just get along?


2013.10.2007 7:30

What's with all the Wii hate? Games like Zelda, Mario Party, etc. don't look bad in 480p. True I wish the Wii supported 720p or higher, but frankly, I don't think the Big N anticipates alot of homes owning $1000 TV sets AND spend $300+ on consoles and games. Sure, some games like Madden 08 look like SNES games, but they are FUN to play.

Nintendo has been firing back with lots of added value. There are Virtual Console games to play every week, and now you can browse the web even with a USB keyboard, something you can't do on the other systems.

I own a 360 to play games like Madden, Halo, Gears, Crackdown, etc. in HD. I would like to stream my HD movies too, but MS is too lazy to get a fall update out to support Xvid, so we're stuck with only WMV support.

Sony is stuck in a rut. I can't say that Warhawk is a title I would gladly blow $600+ on to own a PS3. Plus they keep changing the consoles, bundles, etc. I'm waiting for the changes to stop (hard drive size, BWC, Dual Shock controller instead of Sixaxis) before I buy one. Besides, buying $35-$50 Blu-Ray movies is absurd. (HD-DVD is no better IMHO.)

And for all of you idiots that keep saying the Wiimote is the Power Glove reborn... why? Just because it's wireless? It's not even close to being the same tech or having the same control/effect on games. You might as well say the 360 or PS3 controllers are Power Gloves too as far as I'm concerned.

2113.10.2007 9:43
BIGnewb
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Quote:
Originally posted by saltynuts:
WOW i think my first console was a atari 2600 then a coleco vision,atari 5200,nintendo,saga master system,saga genesis,super nes,turbo grafix 16,saga saturn,ps1,saga dreamcast,ps2,xbox,xbox360,ps3,wii.this is not to brag but i think i was more loyal to saga because i owned all the saga consoles and loved them all its too bad they fell by the waste side.i know this is off subject but when you said first console it just bought memories.
i would think a loyal SEGA fan would know how to spell the console's name.

anyways wii isnt next-gen so you cant really compare it to the 360 or ps3.





WOW i think my first console was a atari 2600 then a coleco vision,atari 5200,nintendo,saga master system,saga genesis,super nes,turbo grafix 16,saga saturn,ps1,saga dreamcast,ps2,xbox,xbox360,ps3,wii.this is not to brag but i think i was more loyal to saga because i owned all the saga consoles and loved them all its too bad they fell by the waste side.i know this is off subject but when you said first console it just bought memories.

2213.10.2007 9:55
saltynuts
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Originally posted by SProdigy:
What's with all the Wii hate? Games like Zelda, Mario Party, etc. don't look bad in 480p. True I wish the Wii supported 720p or higher, but frankly, I don't think the Big N anticipates alot of homes owning $1000 TV sets AND spend $300+ on consoles and games. Sure, some games like Madden 08 look like SNES games, but they are FUN to play.

Nintendo has been firing back with lots of added value. There are Virtual Console games to play every week, and now you can browse the web even with a USB keyboard, something you can't do on the other systems.

I own a 360 to play games like Madden, Halo, Gears, Crackdown, etc. in HD. I would like to stream my HD movies too, but MS is too lazy to get a fall update out to support Xvid, so we're stuck with only WMV support.

Sony is stuck in a rut. I can't say that Warhawk is a title I would gladly blow $600+ on to own a PS3. Plus they keep changing the consoles, bundles, etc. I'm waiting for the changes to stop (hard drive size, BWC, Dual Shock controller instead of Sixaxis) before I buy one. Besides, buying $35-$50 Blu-Ray movies is absurd. (HD-DVD is no better IMHO.)

And for all of you idiots that keep saying the Wiimote is the Power Glove reborn... why? Just because it's wireless? It's not even close to being the same tech or having the same control/effect on games. You might as well say the 360 or PS3 controllers are Power Gloves too as far as I'm concerned.





if thats how you feel then ok.but the point still remains that the wii is old tech and still without online play come on dud give us a break.as i own a wii iam not gonna totally bash it but its for my wife and very young children to play.its still kinda cool for the price,and you can browse the web on the ps3 with a keyboard.but one thing i still dont understande is why when people talk about the wii all they can really say is that it is fun why because the games are easy as hell or is it because they dont look that good.the wii is fun but so is the ps3 and the 360 just because games are harder and look a lot better does that make them less fun to play.or it because you dont stand in front of the tv swinging a damn remote around like a mad man.

2313.10.2007 10:00
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
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Originally posted by saltynuts:
WOW i think my first console was a atari 2600 then a coleco vision,atari 5200,nintendo,saga master system,saga genesis,super nes,turbo grafix 16,saga saturn,ps1,saga dreamcast,ps2,xbox,xbox360,ps3,wii.this is not to brag but i think i was more loyal to saga because i owned all the saga consoles and loved them all its too bad they fell by the waste side.i know this is off subject but when you said first console it just bought memories.
i would think a loyal SEGA fan would know how to spell the console's name.





my bad you are right i did mis spell that thank you.anyway bignewb i know you dont like me and i dont care.so go spell correct that.

anyways wii isnt next-gen so you cant really compare it to the 360 or ps3.





WOW i think my first console was a atari 2600 then a coleco vision,atari 5200,nintendo,saga master system,saga genesis,super nes,turbo grafix 16,saga saturn,ps1,saga dreamcast,ps2,xbox,xbox360,ps3,wii.this is not to brag but i think i was more loyal to saga because i owned all the saga consoles and loved them all its too bad they fell by the waste side.i know this is off subject but when you said first console it just bought memories.

2413.10.2007 11:10

Quote:
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Originally posted by windsong:
Too bad there are only about 5 or so good games for it (all 1st party too). In about 2 years the Wii will look like 1998 graphics (thief the dark project, anyone?).

Play Jericho, UT3, CoD4 or Gears and you'll see a *real* next-gen game.
The Playstaitoin2 graphics were crap compered to the GC and XBOX, but that didn't affect sales

Nintendo wii's graphics sucks compered too the compertitoin but that hasn't affected sales

xbox360 is made by a cheap american *SOFTWARE* company and over heats, the online is too much. it's more easy too keep a dog than a xbox
and im pretty sure your grammar teacher game up on you too. but you know what. The 360 isn't as bad as you say it is. and besides its built in china. its not made by the cheap american company that made the operating system your computer is using so you can type all your hate.

The Wii wont make it long with its damn near 10 year old hardware for long. that gimmicky Wii remote thing gives people tennis elbow. Right now let the Big N shine with their old graphics and dumb play control. but that innovative crap will fade away.

Im not by any means a Microsoft supporter. but they are all over the place so quit hating and just deal with it. damn illiterate people talking junk. just makes me mad sometimes.

i am german so i you want too insulte my english speak in my lanugue.

my OS is mac

2513.10.2007 11:14

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.but one thing i still dont understande is why when people talk about the wii all they can really say is that it is fun.
What a ridiculous reason to play a video game!

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why because the games are easy as hell or is it because they dont look that good.

People say a game is fun because the graphics are bad? Are you seriously claiming that?
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2613.10.2007 11:20
WierdName
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First off, would all the fanboys shut up or leave?! The "best" next-gen, or current-gen for that matter, is all a relative measure. It all depends on what the criteria is for the "best." What some consider to be essential criteria is just a little extra feature to others.

As for my opinion on the consoles, they can't be compared against each other. They each have their own area of expertise. The Wii is a more family friendly, get off your butt system. Sure the graphics suck but they aren't too important to the people the console appeals to. The PS3 is more for those that like to play more intense games with fast action, impressive graphics, etc. It is also trying to push the popularity of Blu-Ray. As I have not even played the 360, I can't give an informed opinion except that I think it covers the same as the PS3, except that it's games are of slightly different genres. The 360 is also trying trying to push HD-DVD as opposed to Blu-Ray. I think it really depends on the user as to what the "best" console is.

Now for the article: I think Nintendo better push some new games out if they aren't going to be lowering the console price.

2713.10.2007 12:22

never doubted for one second that the ps3 would dominate eventually.

once its cheap enough that i would buy one, so will millions of other people and it will tear the 360 apart.

the 360 has a year head start.. and didnt get popular until more than a year after its release.. id give the ps3 another year or so and it will have way better games than the 360.

as for the wii.. it wont last much longer than a year. it gets old quick.. sort of like hooking up your old nintendo.

2813.10.2007 12:27

The price of the Wii is already at a reasonable level so they can concentrate on the next generation and not worry about the competition due to the fact that there soo far ahead they just have too keep up the hard work and make the gap even bigger when creating their next console.

2913.10.2007 14:53

No one here that likes PS3 or 360 is Bashing Wii.What most of us are saying is the truth & most Wii fan boys can't handle the truth its old tech with a Nex-gen price tag.I'm would love to see the cost per console Nintendo plays i bet its not even have the price of the Wii but they say no price drop...lol.Microsoft & Sony are what you call Nex-gen consoles 360 is nothing like XBox & PS3 is nothing like PS3 but the Wii is just like the Game Cube but you want to call it Nex-Gen.Please tell anyone here what Nex-gen about the Wii because Motion sensing is old tech Nintendo had in the past with the power glove & power pad.Plus how many time can you bring Mario out his grave its time for him to die.

See for yourself

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/p...5790&cl=2970681

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3013.10.2007 15:11

Originally posted by NexGen76:
No one here that likes PS3 or 360 is Bashing Wii.What most of us are saying is the truth & most Wii fan boys can't handle the truth its old tech with a Nex-gen price tag.

If 250 is a "nex-gen price tag", than the Wii is the only true "nex-gen" console. Because the 360 and the ps3 are more expensive than that.
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I'm would love to see the cost per console Nintendo plays i bet its not even have the price of the Wii but they say no price drop...lol.

I believe Nintendo realizes about 50 dollars per wii. But that's after overhead and everything, so I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturing cost is about half of 250.
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Microsoft & Sony are what you call Nex-gen consoles
They are what you call nex-gen consoles. People around here throwing around coined terms and claiming everything as fact. It's trivial, really. How about I go around and call the Wii "new-gen". "The only tru-nex-gen". Lets talk about something else.
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360 is nothing like XBox & PS3 is nothing like PS3 but the Wii is just like the Game Cube but you want to call it

The only reason you have any leg to stand on with this claim is because the hardware is based on the same architecture. That's it. Wii software is much more diverse than ps3 and 360, in my opinion.
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Please tell anyone here what Nex-gen about the Wii because Motion sensing is old tech Nintendo had in the past with the power glove & power pad.Plus how many time can you bring Mario out his grave its time for him to die.

Haha and what exactly is "new tech"? Multiple threading? multi-core processors? The ps3 or 360 weren't the first to use these things. Beyond that, though, I don't know why everyone insists on arguing about hardware. When all is said and done, it has never been as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. (NES, SNES, ps1, ps2, etc.)

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Plus how many time can you bring Mario out his grave its time for him to die.

I don't play very much mario these days, so I don't appreciate him as much as some ninty fans. But I expect mario galaxy to be a big hit over christmas.

3113.10.2007 17:01

I just dont get how people can compare xbox 360's games library to ps3's when xbox360 has been out for close to a year longer (i dont know exact dates). obviously its going to have a better games library. just wait until ps3's big titles come out like metal gear solid 4 and gran turismo 5, which to my knowledge arent for xbox360 (and no you cannot compare gran turismo 5 to forza).

Secondly, the graphics are obviously going to be similar for both consoles if the gaming developers arent taking advantage of ps3's superior hardware. its like playing command and conquer generals with a dual core processor and a directx 9 graphics card, compared to playing it with a quad core processor and a directx 10 card. they are going to look and play exactly the same because the game isnt taking advantage of the superior hardware. wait a few years and i think the differences between xbox360 and ps3 are going to be clear.

3213.10.2007 17:34

Originally posted by 172987:
I just dont get how people can compare xbox 360's games library to ps3's when xbox360 has been out for close to a year longer (i dont know exact dates). obviously its going to have a better games library. just wait until ps3's big titles come out like metal gear solid 4 and gran turismo 5, which to my knowledge arent for xbox360 (and no you cannot compare gran turismo 5 to forza).
Thats all 360 has going for it. I dont know if people know that the only reason 360 is still 'in the game' is that it was RUSHED, yes rushed, into the market. Funny how shortly after it was released it had a full recall. i was going to buy one too before i heard that. So, all the 360 Owners are happy with the fact that Microsoft rushed falty and incomplete hardware out to them.

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lol because of bluray riiiight...
at the beginning the ps3 was a standout because of exclusive titles but now most of them "exclusive" titles are also being released for the 360 so why buy a PS3 again?
especially with microsoft having a better online gaming network.
Microsofts Xbox live took years to get where it is. youd know how it use to be if you ever owned an xbox.

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Sony is stuck in a rut. I can't say that Warhawk is a title I would gladly blow $600+ on to own a PS3. Plus they keep changing the consoles, bundles, etc. I'm waiting for the changes to stop (hard drive size, BWC, Dual Shock controller instead of Sixaxis) before I buy one. Besides, buying $35-$50 Blu-Ray movies is absurd. (HD-DVD is no better IMHO.)
Sony's revisions on PS3 are minor hardware changes to make it cheaper for people to buy, depending on what they want to do with thier system. On the flip side, Microsofts 360 changes so far have been major hardware changes, from heat pathing, adding fans, 65nm chips to lower heat ect.

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How on earth did this topic get to PS3 vs 360 anyways. on the wii, $250 is an excelent price and i see no reason to lower it. I own one and have fun playing Mario party 8 with my friends. yes, it is a nice 'extravagance' having uber top-line graphics where characters have 20 million triangles in ther face alone, but you know, all that stuff makes it take longer to get good games out. the way i see it, people have forgitten what it was like pre-dreamcast. Im sure most of the "We need uber graphix" posts are made by those who dont know how to get to level 4-1 from level 1-2 in Super Mario Bros :). Go buy a Genesis and play gunstar heros and remember the good ol days. better yet, play sonic and knuckles 3, the LAST known good sonic the hedgehog game IMO.
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3313.10.2007 18:37

I agree with that Sonic post! :P They just don't make 2-D games like they used to huh? It takes a handheld (DS, not PSP)or Virtual Console/Live Arcade, to get that experience anymore.

I can tell who doesn't do their homework on this forum. You can play online in Madden 08 for Wii, so the system is not without online play, it's just lacking titles that have that option.

And an FYI: Nintendo does make a profit on the Wii, and could easily drop the price. However, it's supply and demand at its finest. The Wii has outsold both 360 and PS3, and is not collecting dust on store shelves. Thus, why would they have to drop the price? Nintendo still has the cheapest solution AND is making money on the system. When demand drops (which will not be this Holiday season IMHO) then Nintendo can easily undercut it's price and still reap the benefits of having the largest installed base.

3413.10.2007 22:30
saltynuts
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
No one here that likes PS3 or 360 is Bashing Wii.What most of us are saying is the truth & most Wii fan boys can't handle the truth its old tech with a Nex-gen price tag.I'm would love to see the cost per console Nintendo plays i bet its not even have the price of the Wii but they say no price drop...lol.Microsoft & Sony are what you call Nex-gen consoles 360 is nothing like XBox & PS3 is nothing like PS3 but the Wii is just like the Game Cube but you want to call it Nex-Gen.Please tell anyone here what Nex-gen about the Wii because Motion sensing is old tech Nintendo had in the past with the power glove & power pad.Plus how many time can you bring Mario out his grave its time for him to die.

See for yourself

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/p...2970681






well said nexgen76.i totally agree with you 100%

3514.10.2007 5:20

well there is no reason to drop the price its selling like crazy and way more affordable than the other two systems, I do love my Xbox 360 tho!

3614.10.2007 6:25

Firstly, I don't think Nintendo will be under any pressure to lower prices untill the competition can come within $100 of Nintendo's price.

I would like to point out to some people who have claimed that the Wii is, in fact, not a next-gen console. Some people beleive that the Powerglove has anything at all to do with the WiiMote, and this is simply not true. The WiiMote is a masterfully crafted little device which uses silicon micro-wafers and bluetooth technology to determine its 6-Axis Position, communicate, and store save data. The PowerGlove ran electricly charged magnets and relay sensors in the form of long bars that attached to your TV that attempted to detect the movement of the magnets (While as the sensors that come with the NES are, to be factual, not required unless you want to be a good distance from the Wii - they simply extend the range of the BlueTooth). Atop that, the Powerglove was fragile, and corded to the NES. Secondly, we must not over look the nex-gen features like built-in WiFi, standard emulation capabilities, reverse compatability with the last generation games, and above all else is the contoling sytle itself - This is why there are hacks to use a WiiMote on a Home Computer. Before long, I plan to release a WiiEmulator that will function fully like the wii does, except for maybe being able to play gamecube games, and that's just cause of scripting errors on my part.

Now I mentioned something earlier that may have confused some of our teenage reader: 6-Axis Positioning. What this means is that the Wii not only detects the up and down, side to side, and back and forth motion of the WiiMote, but it also detects pitch, rotation, and yaw (these are avation terms which refer to different tilts the WiiMote is capable of). You should try it: Get a Wiimote and point it anywhere on screen you like, then rotate it in your hand using your wrist - for the first time ever, the cursor will rotate. This may seem simple enough but the technology, namely the extremely sensetive Silicon Micro-Wafers, is brand new and by far one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. The WiiMote is hands down the first device of its kind, and hopefully not the last.

Technology wise, the PS3 and 360 are nothing new, just new parts. Yes you've got better graphics, blue tooth, and nice processors, yay for you. But rather than just buying state of the art parts and finding a way to throw them into an extremely large and heavy console, Nintendo designed the Wii virtually from scratch. I can give my computer the same graphics of a PS3 running 1080p with the purchase of an GeForce 8800, overclocked by BFG-Tech - and I could have got the blueray player any time I wanted to online. But if I wanted to emulate a Wii on my computer, there is no two ways about it, I have to buy a WiiMote and a BlueTooth Adaptar. Hands Down.

I urge any of you who think that the WiiMote and the PowerGlove are ANYTHING alike, to go try them out side by side. Then, if you can comprehend or appreciate new technology, take a look at the inner workings of both and look at how primitive the powerglove is, and how advanced the WiiMote is. Nintendo has always been years ahead of their time, and I'm sure that when they dreamed up the powerglove, they were looking for something similar to the WiiMote, but lets face it - the technology is cutting edge and brand new. Plus, the Powerglove was just one of many things the NES had that was ahead of its time and has since then been remade. Lets not forget the Track mat (now in DDR), the Zapper (Now used in every arcade, everywhere), the first joystick to sport a rapid fire option (now a standard on aftermarket controllers such as those by Pellican and MadCat). Nintendo has always dreamed big since day one, but for anyone to thing that they are re-using technology is incorrect, and you should perhapes take a better look at the things your comparing.

Additionally: Nintendo, as far as I can tell by tracking down the companant and calculating for production and distribution, is spending about $187 per console with WiiMote. These are ALL NEW PARTS and NEW TECHNOLOGY (Read Above), and being thus, are not cheap. You also have to think that Nintendo sells the consoles to gamestores and carriers for probably around $225, and the store than makes about $25 profit off of each one. So as far as I can calculate (and I run a computer business which does custom builds all the time, so I'm trying to be as acurate in this calculation as I can) Nintendo is only making anywhere from $40 to $60 profit at this time. Now when the price of production drops, the profit margin will rise, and if pressure is put on them from consumers or competition to then drop their prices they will.

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3714.10.2007 8:23

Originally posted by Vicious88:
Firstly, I don't think Nintendo will be under any pressure to lower prices untill the competition can come within $100 of Nintendo's price.

I would like to point out to some people who have claimed that the Wii is, in fact, not a next-gen console. Some people beleive that the Powerglove has anything at all to do with the WiiMote, and this is simply not true. The WiiMote is a masterfully crafted little device which uses silicon micro-wafers and bluetooth technology to determine its 6-Axis Position, communicate, and store save data. The PowerGlove ran electricly charged magnets and relay sensors in the form of long bars that attached to your TV that attempted to detect the movement of the magnets (While as the sensors that come with the NES are, to be factual, not required unless you want to be a good distance from the Wii - they simply extend the range of the BlueTooth). Atop that, the Powerglove was fragile, and corded to the NES. Secondly, we must not over look the nex-gen features like built-in WiFi, standard emulation capabilities, reverse compatability with the last generation games, and above all else is the contoling sytle itself - This is why there are hacks to use a WiiMote on a Home Computer. Before long, I plan to release a WiiEmulator that will function fully like the wii does, except for maybe being able to play gamecube games, and that's just cause of scripting errors on my part.

Now I mentioned something earlier that may have confused some of our teenage reader: 6-Axis Positioning. What this means is that the Wii not only detects the up and down, side to side, and back and forth motion of the WiiMote, but it also detects pitch, rotation, and yaw (these are avation terms which refer to different tilts the WiiMote is capable of). You should try it: Get a Wiimote and point it anywhere on screen you like, then rotate it in your hand using your wrist - for the first time ever, the cursor will rotate. This may seem simple enough but the technology, namely the extremely sensetive Silicon Micro-Wafers, is brand new and by far one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. The WiiMote is hands down the first device of its kind, and hopefully not the last.

Technology wise, the PS3 and 360 are nothing new, just new parts. Yes you've got better graphics, blue tooth, and nice processors, yay for you. But rather than just buying state of the art parts and finding a way to throw them into an extremely large and heavy console, Nintendo designed the Wii virtually from scratch. I can give my computer the same graphics of a PS3 running 1080p with the purchase of an GeForce 8800, overclocked by BFG-Tech - and I could have got the blueray player any time I wanted to online. But if I wanted to emulate a Wii on my computer, there is no two ways about it, I have to buy a WiiMote and a BlueTooth Adaptar. Hands Down.

I urge any of you who think that the WiiMote and the PowerGlove are ANYTHING alike, to go try them out side by side. Then, if you can comprehend or appreciate new technology, take a look at the inner workings of both and look at how primitive the powerglove is, and how advanced the WiiMote is. Nintendo has always been years ahead of their time, and I'm sure that when they dreamed up the powerglove, they were looking for something similar to the WiiMote, but lets face it - the technology is cutting edge and brand new. Plus, the Powerglove was just one of many things the NES had that was ahead of its time and has since then been remade. Lets not forget the Track mat (now in DDR), the Zapper (Now used in every arcade, everywhere), the first joystick to sport a rapid fire option (now a standard on aftermarket controllers such as those by Pellican and MadCat). Nintendo has always dreamed big since day one, but for anyone to thing that they are re-using technology is incorrect, and you should perhapes take a better look at the things your comparing.

Additionally: Nintendo, as far as I can tell by tracking down the companant and calculating for production and distribution, is spending about $187 per console with WiiMote. These are ALL NEW PARTS and NEW TECHNOLOGY (Read Above), and being thus, are not cheap. You also have to think that Nintendo sells the consoles to gamestores and carriers for probably around $225, and the store than makes about $25 profit off of each one. So as far as I can calculate (and I run a computer business which does custom builds all the time, so I'm trying to be as acurate in this calculation as I can) Nintendo is only making anywhere from $40 to $60 profit at this time. Now when the price of production drops, the profit margin will rise, and if pressure is put on them from consumers or competition to then drop their prices they will.
You haven't proved one point to why the Wii is Nex-Gen.I look at it this way its like going to buy a new car & the sales man trying to sale you a car with a new body but the same engine under hood as your last car.I'm not a Wii basher but i don't think it has the right to be called a Nex-Gen console.Plus it appeals more to Kids Mario,Zelda,& Metroid,how many game are rehashes on that system at lease Microsoft found there own IP in Halo i don't care for it but it define there console.But when you think Nintendo you think 15 different rehashed Mario games & not one new IP & some ports.
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3814.10.2007 8:38

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I look at it this way its like going to buy a new car & the sales man trying to sale you a car with a new body but the same engine under hood as your last car.
This proves to me you did not read my post in its entirety before responding. I am saying that its a completely new 'engine.' Everything on the inside is different. I go bit by bit and explain why it is next-gen. Please read something in its entirety before responding.

Additionally, there have been several original releases for Wii, and they are in no way shape or form anymore of a Rehash than Halo3. To say that the Zelda game for Wii is a Rehash is the same as saying any sequel, even those with differing plots, are re-hashes. People who understand circuitry and software programming can appreciate the Wii because of its technology. I own a Wii, a 360, and a PS3, but amazingly, the Wii earns more of my respect.
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3914.10.2007 10:10

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I look at it this way its like going to buy a new car & the sales man trying to sale you a car with a new body but the same engine under hood as your last car.
This proves to me you did not read my post in its entirety before responding. I am saying that its a completely new 'engine.' Everything on the inside is different. I go bit by bit and explain why it is next-gen. Please read something in its entirety before responding.

Additionally, there have been several original releases for Wii, and they are in no way shape or form anymore of a Rehash than Halo3. To say that the Zelda game for Wii is a Rehash is the same as saying any sequel, even those with differing plots, are re-hashes. People who understand circuitry and software programming can appreciate the Wii because of its technology. I own a Wii, a 360, and a PS3, but amazingly, the Wii earns more of my respect.
Dude i read you post your talking about the Hardware of Motion sensing thats old tech were have you been the last 20 years.Far as whats under the hood old tech.If you amazed at the controller with tech thats been around for years & not focus or Hardware & software then you are truly miss it.Whatever floats your boat !

4014.10.2007 11:50

Wow,all of you are rambling. Either you bought a Wii and were disappointed, or are upset because you got ripped buying a PS3 and can't afford any other console.

Every post about BWC, and people b!tch about 360 and PS3, but no high fives for the Wii, which can play every GC game and even use the controller and memory cards.

You can whine and cry about Mario games, but have you played any of them? Or at least look at their composite rating? There are very few (if any) "turds" that Nintendo stamps their number one property on. Hell, some of them become larger than life franchises on their own (Mario Kart, Smash Bros., etc.)

What IP does Sony have? Crash Bandicoot? Ratchet and Clank? Where are they on PS3? Everything else is multi-console and not "Sony exclusive" anymore. Even when it was, GTA, Metal Gear, etc. is not Sony's IP. GT5 is also a no-show in the "next gen" of gaming.

MS is an IP pirate! Don't get me wrong, I love the library they have, but all of their games were stolen from the PC, including the original Halo, which was supposed to be a PC game. Even MS is spinning Halo off into other projects, like an RTS now.

So quit the fanboy hate on the systems and say something intelligent, other than the Wii being a GC with a Powerglove.

4114.10.2007 12:12

I love going to forums. Any forum. Such good, friendly people there conversing intelligently and respecting each other's opinions.

Oh wait, my bad. Any visit to this or other forums is just a lesson in how bad people treat each other when they don't have to look someone in the freaking eyes. C'mon people! Talk about what you like and dislike without looking for a reason to bash each other. Leave that to religious and political institutions!!!

contributing post:

The Nintendo Wii has plenty going for it. It's a great value (for $250!!!) for the innovative controller and the franchise games Nintendo is famous for like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Don't get me wrong. The other consoles have their places in the market based on many factors. But for the price, you can't beat the Wii.

No console will satisfy all us gamers! We all have individual tastes!

4214.10.2007 13:12

When i read stuff liek this, it makes me want to shoot myself repeatedly in the head with a gun.

The amount of sony fb as a joke, afterdawn do soemthign about this, this thread has gotten rediculus, its a all out sony fb rant here.

Once again i say i am loving my 360, only 13 days without it and it was repaired and abck to me. Goign to get a wii, brillaint fun for parties or when you have friends round (my mate has one), and i'll keep my 360 for playing on my own.

My brother has a ps3, heck hardly ever plays it, online is a mass of lag spikes (i've seen it we are using 2mb/s connection and xbl works perfect). Games cost more, and he's noramly playing halo 3 with me onlien anyway.

Just liek to put taht in. If anything i think the ps3 isn't next-gen, i personally think its a step back in gaming, it costs more and has a lovely selection of ported games which cost 10 more then their original on 360 and look only 1/2 as good. The wii, is definatly next gen, its NEW, its full backward compatible, its AFFORDABE! ITS FUN! YES I SAID FUN! DO PS3 OWNERS NO WHAT FUN IS? The wii is definatly the next step in gaming. The 360 is a setup up from 6th generation gamming, with better graphics, better online community and gameplay, and a better libary full of amazing games designed for the system (ps3 owners, most of ur games are poor ports, as designers find codign for the ps3 a bugger as its architecture is shockingly bad!

Anyway yeh, i love how before everyone bashed sony, now that wii is sold the most, its all bash wii time, from the sony group, liek they think they have a valid reason to bash the consol now.

4314.10.2007 13:25

Its not Old Technology!!! Gah! The Powerglove ran on magnetics - the WiiMote uses Silicon Micro-Wafers (spaced .001 millimeters apart) which were developed in march of 2006! Its not "20 years old" or anyhing like the powerglove!!! I am truely sorry for anyone who thinks that just because a powerglove and a wiimote both sense motion, that they are anything alike, because when you get down to it, they're completely different!

The stuff under the hood is new technology, developed exclusively for Giroscopic Stabilisation in things like the next generation of segway scooters, but ended up in the Nintendo Wii. The PowerGlove Ran on MAGNETS! It only sensed 2 directions Side-to-side (x) and up-and-down (z), it was as advanced as a Directional pad! The WiiMote is more advanced then the hardware currently used in the F-15 E Model to determine its six axis position (x,y,x,pitch,roll, and yaw).
If you're confused, here's a picture: http://www.osculator.net/wiki/uploads/Main/pry-wiimote.gif

What you guys are failing to see is whats 'under the hood' you see something that detects motion and you say, "Oh, powerglove is back" and you don't bother to look into any more. THIS IS NOT OLD TECHNOLOGY - IF IT WAS, IT'D HAVE BEEN OUT A LOT MORE!!!

You may say that just because crude forms of motion sensing technology has been around for a while, that the Wii is not next-gen, but consider this: 3D graphics and cell/shadow rendering have been around for a long time too, at least Nintendo is bringing you NEW Technology, not just graphics. And FYI, the Wii is capable of rendering graphics that fall nicely between the PS2 and PS3's capability, you'll see it in certain Wii games. "Why isn't every Wii Game High Res then?" Because, unfortunately each disk can only hold so much data, and with the Wii, the focus is on gamming experience, not visual experience, so when the producer has to choose where to throw his budget: Graphics or Programming - they choose programming.

4414.10.2007 17:10

You know why the WII is next gen and the 360 is as next gen as my foot? Its called control, Nintendo took the high road and tried to reinvent itself and it has managed to hand both MS and Sony their ass its called keeping it simple, now the WII is not prefect but compared to the rest its full of win , if you think the WII dosent have enough options or it dose not look good enough stop thinking and try and learn to enjoy a game again.

Now with that said the PS3 is the next system to offer this lil thing called control however if they do not offer more options with KB and mouse and leave it to random devs making it a option to play game with then they too fail to understand where the fck they are.

MS also needs to offer more control options but they are to busy tryign to fix the 360 so I doubt it will evolve any in that field, the KB/M adapter is cute but needs more polish and options to be a real alternative.

Wake up and udnerstand the high farting fancy consoles are not offering more depth in much of anything than the WII or the 6th gen, they are only offering prettier graphics onto petty designs, 10 hour Halo 3 SP champaign and lack of depth in Bioshock a game based on depth is a good sign of the shallowness of it all.

4514.10.2007 17:16

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
You know why the WII is next gen and the 360 is as next gen as my foot? Its called control, Nintendo took the high road and tried to reinvent itself and it has managed to hand both MS and Sony their ass its called keeping it simple, now the WII is not prefect but compared to the rest its full of win , if you think the WII dosent have enough options or it dose not look good enough stop thinking and try and learn to enjoy a game again.

Now with that said the PS3 is the next system to offer this lil thing called control however if they do not offer more options with KB and mouse and leave it to random devs making it a option to play game with then they too fail to understand where the fck they are.

MS also needs to offer more control options but they are to busy tryign to fix the 360 so I doubt it will evolve any in that field, the KB/M adapter is cute but needs more polish and options to be a real alternative.

Wake up and udnerstand the high farting fancy consoles are not offering more depth in much of anything than the WII or the 6th gen, they are only offering prettier graphics onto petty designs, 10 hour Halo 3 SP champaign and lack of depth in Bioshock a game based on depth is a good sign of the shallowness of it all.
Thank You!!! I agree completely! Kudos to you!

4614.10.2007 17:30
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Originally posted by Vicious88:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
You know why the WII is next gen and the 360 is as next gen as my foot? Its called control, Nintendo took the high road and tried to reinvent itself and it has managed to hand both MS and Sony their ass its called keeping it simple, now the WII is not prefect but compared to the rest its full of win , if you think the WII dosent have enough options or it dose not look good enough stop thinking and try and learn to enjoy a game again.

Now with that said the PS3 is the next system to offer this lil thing called control however if they do not offer more options with KB and mouse and leave it to random devs making it a option to play game with then they too fail to understand where the fck they are.

MS also needs to offer more control options but they are to busy tryign to fix the 360 so I doubt it will evolve any in that field, the KB/M adapter is cute but needs more polish and options to be a real alternative.

Wake up and udnerstand the high farting fancy consoles are not offering more depth in much of anything than the WII or the 6th gen, they are only offering prettier graphics onto petty designs, 10 hour Halo 3 SP champaign and lack of depth in Bioshock a game based on depth is a good sign of the shallowness of it all.


Hey zipp i can agree with what you are saying its just that i would like to see even more control,like the ability to use a regular controller on any game as i dont like the wiimote myself but my kids and wife love it.thats pretty much the beef i have with wii.yes the grafix are dated but that not what the BIG N was going for this time around.and i think most people here are not bashing the wii but feel like its not nex-gen.and i can agree with that also.still tho the wii is selling like hotcakes.so i guess i agree to diagree.











Thank You!!! I agree completely! Kudos to you!

4714.10.2007 19:05

salty
if the 360 can be 'next gen' the wii with its new control system can be, no one is dissing it for being a 1.5 system,its barely 'next gen' as much as the wii is if you take the control upgrade into perspective, the PS3 has all the trappings of "next gen" with the new format Hdef basics and such, the wii offers more left/right handed options even if its dumbed down to swapping halves.

However it could use more fine tuning options, the industry it self dismisses 'options' as something bad for shepple, I miss the psx/64 days when mos games had options, it seems now adays ' options' are a bad word and something the shrinking 3rd party peripheral market to fill, the wii would gian the most from full button remapping on all its control peripherals, the vc+gc re mapped to pad or mote, give the consumers tier options back with these overpriced peripherals, what racket are they all playing us now.

As far as a "next gen" perspective goes for the 360 is barely there since its just a sup'd up Xbox, the WII is doing new things however their innovation is starting to become stagnant due to ignoring user options this of coarse is more a problem at the core industry itself, none of them gives a damn, SONY is smoking "columbine gold", MS is slowly fixing the issues with the already aging 360 but refuses to unlock the HDD and then we have the WII whos innovation is surpassed by their laziness/greed(why not let people who buy the official pads use them on any game?), all in all they all equally suck, well sony sucks the most still....WTF lets remove BWC from the 40GB units and save hundreds in server costs...WTF........least MS knows to paint a rusting ship.....sony is throwing more salt water on it...

4814.10.2007 19:50
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
salty
if the 360 can be 'next gen' the wii with its new control system can be, no one is dissing it for being a 1.5 system,its barely 'next gen' as much as the wii is if you take the control upgrade into perspective, the PS3 has all the trappings of "next gen" with the new format Hdef basics and such, the wii offers more left/right handed options even if its dumbed down to swapping halves.

However it could use more fine tuning options, the industry it self dismisses 'options' as something bad for shepple, I miss the psx/64 days when mos games had options, it seems now adays ' options' are a bad word and something the shrinking 3rd party peripheral market to fill, the wii would gian the most from full button remapping on all its control peripherals, the vc+gc re mapped to pad or mote, give the consumers tier options back with these overpriced peripherals, what racket are they all playing us now.

As far as a "next gen" perspective goes for the 360 is barely there since its just a sup'd up Xbox, the WII is doing new things however their innovation is starting to become stagnant due to ignoring user options this of coarse is more a problem at the core industry itself, none of them gives a damn, SONY is smoking "columbine gold", MS is slowly fixing the issues with the already aging 360 but refuses to unlock the HDD and then we have the WII whos innovation is surpassed by their laziness/greed(why not let people who buy the official pads use them on any game?), all in all they all equally suck, well sony sucks the most still....WTF lets remove BWC from the 40GB units and save hundreds in server costs...WTF........least MS knows to paint a rusting ship.....sony is throwing more salt water on it...






HA HA good one zipp i see your point but don't let the sony fanboys hear you say that.

4914.10.2007 20:03

saltynuts

the 360 is getting as good as it can get, if someone can get a larger HDD to work on the normal MS kit that would make it near prefect, I'll worry abotu it eating discs but at least the heating issues have been dealt with for the most part, really MS needs to drop the core ,and let people put their own HDD's into a 20-30$ MS HDD shell and be done with it, MS is as unforced as nintendo is when it comes to over all polish on the system, I just once want what sony is smoking just to know how it feels like to be a complete douche to the point gravity bends and flows around a ego so full of its own BS its ready to explode, I can slight MS over "gravity" issues but at least they have for the most part have scrambled to save face, sony is digging their own grave while at the same time filling it with their own poo.

All I want sony to do is stop fcking with BWC and make the main difference in the 400 and 600 unit usb/card reader and HDD size, this monotonous BS is sad as it is sick.

Hell they would save so much time and trouble offering the 80GB for 450$ there done one unit one price, there I saved them milloins1


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5014.10.2007 20:37

Wow, Zippy, I was waiting for your arrival! ;-)

Someone said it best about the graphics. If you own a Wii and play alot of games, you know what I mean. I've played it on an SDTV and HDTV. On the SDTV sets, you don't notice any difference in visuals between the consoles, however, on the HD sets, well, there's quite a difference, even with component cables on the Wii, it doesn't stack up to 720p component output on the 360.

However, alot of games are rendered nicely (Zelda, Metroid) and others look like GC ports (Madden) however, it's all relative, because short of being a bit sharper on a widescreen display, Halo 3 looks exactly like the last one IMHO with a few added visuals and bigger boss fights.

And you're absolutely right: spending your money on Wii games is much more worth it. You're going to get at least several weeks out of games like Zelda and Metroid instead of a solid day like Halo 3 (or Bioshock, the game where you never die.) Hell, I even claimed near every item in Crackdown within a week or so, and I'd say outside of it, most of the 360 games are seriously lacking depth these days.

Consider the depth of a title like PGR, I love the game, but it's the same tracks and maybe some bonus cars. It's a modern day Mortal Kombat of racing - repaint a medal, offer hidden/bonus ninjas... err... cars... and crank up the cheating!!! (I mean AI!)

5114.10.2007 20:55

Originally posted by SProdigy:
Wow, Zippy, I was waiting for your arrival! ;-)

Someone said it best about the graphics. If you own a Wii and play alot of games, you know what I mean. I've played it on an SDTV and HDTV. On the SDTV sets, you don't notice any difference in visuals between the consoles, however, on the HD sets, well, there's quite a difference, even with component cables on the Wii, it doesn't stack up to 720p component output on the 360.

However, alot of games are rendered nicely (Zelda, Metroid) and others look like GC ports (Madden) however, it's all relative, because short of being a bit sharper on a widescreen display, Halo 3 looks exactly like the last one IMHO with a few added visuals and bigger boss fights.

And you're absolutely right: spending your money on Wii games is much more worth it. You're going to get at least several weeks out of games like Zelda and Metroid instead of a solid day like Halo 3 (or Bioshock, the game where you never die.) Hell, I even claimed near every item in Crackdown within a week or so, and I'd say outside of it, most of the 360 games are seriously lacking depth these days.

Consider the depth of a title like PGR, I love the game, but it's the same tracks and maybe some bonus cars. It's a modern day Mortal Kombat of racing - repaint a medal, offer hidden/bonus ninjas... err... cars... and crank up the cheating!!! (I mean AI!)

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For me the 7th gen is foreshadowed by a lack of depth, they all are suffering from it however nin is providing more bang for the buck, Halo 3 and Bioshock are seriously sad sht all things considered Halo 3 gets a 10hour SP side and Bioshock is as deep as the far end of a kiddy pool, it seems publishers are happy shoveling unfinished projects on people for the twice the value of what it really should be worth.

if the 5th generation brought visuals and game play together the 7th brings the bling but nothing much more, its hard for me to see how people are so satisfied swiming in the 'c'iddie pool and I do not mean age level put over all depth/fun.

AM I the only one to think spending 400+ on mediocreness is a bit much?


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5214.10.2007 21:31

I can't do anything but laugh when I read "nex-gen", "new-tech", and "old-tech".

5314.10.2007 22:04

Originally posted by oofRome:
I can't do anything but laugh when I read "nex-gen", "new-tech", and "old-tech".

pretty much what gaming has come down to since they can't compare the games *rolls eyes*.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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5415.10.2007 8:25

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
AM I the only one to think spending 400+ on mediocreness is a bit much?
No, you're not crazy. Just thank God I "try 'em before I buy 'em" or else I would be out more than what I paid for the console.

5515.10.2007 16:14

Originally posted by LiveChaos:
I love going to forums. Any forum. Such good, friendly people there conversing intelligently and respecting each other's opinions.

Oh wait, my bad. Any visit to this or other forums is just a lesson in how bad people treat each other when they don't have to look someone in the freaking eyes. C'mon people! Talk about what you like and dislike without looking for a reason to bash each other. Leave that to religious and political institutions!!!

contributing post:

The Nintendo Wii has plenty going for it. It's a great value (for $250!!!) for the innovative controller and the franchise games Nintendo is famous for like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Don't get me wrong. The other consoles have their places in the market based on many factors. But for the price, you can't beat the Wii.

No console will satisfy all us gamers! We all have individual tastes!
One of the few respectable posts in this entire thread!


5615.10.2007 17:09

Yeah because mine are always conveniently ignored.
:-P

5715.10.2007 19:25

Originally posted by riotard:
The amount of sony fb as a joke, afterdawn do soemthign about this, this thread has gotten rediculus, its a all out sony fb rant here.
You should be the last one to say a mod need to step in.All the childish rants & raves you have done on Sony treads please just give it a break.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me whats next gen about the Wii ?

5815.10.2007 20:12

Originally posted by NexGen76:

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me whats next gen about the Wii ?
You mean besides Vicious88's remark that the motion sensing system in the Wii-mote was developed much later than the one in the powerglove?

Quote:
Mr Takeda also mentioned this, but normally when you decide to use new semiconductor technology, you do so solely for the sake of more extravagance and higher performance. In the case of the CPU, you try to progressively improve its processing power, which in turn raises its power consumption and increases its size. Sophisticated semiconductor technology is required to realise this goal. While you could use such cutting-edge semiconductor technology in order to facilitate this kind of extravagance, you can choose to apply this technology in other ways, such as making chips smaller. We have utilised the technology in this way so that we could minimise the power consumption of Wii. If the chip becomes smaller, we can make the size of the console smaller. With a smaller chip and minimised power consumption, Wii can be left on 24 hours a day. This is what I meant when I said that the way Wii makes use of state-of-the-art technologies is completely different from the way in which they are used in other devices.

http://wii.nintendo.com/iwataasks.jsp

Will that suffice? Or are you really just getting to the point that the Wii cannot compete very well graphically with the 360 and the ps3?

5915.10.2007 20:46

Quote:
Originally posted by NexGen76:

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me whats next gen about the Wii ?
You mean besides Vicious88's remark that the motion sensing system in the Wii-mote was developed much later than the one in the powerglove?

Quote:
Mr Takeda also mentioned this, but normally when you decide to use new semiconductor technology, you do so solely for the sake of more extravagance and higher performance. In the case of the CPU, you try to progressively improve its processing power, which in turn raises its power consumption and increases its size. Sophisticated semiconductor technology is required to realise this goal. While you could use such cutting-edge semiconductor technology in order to facilitate this kind of extravagance, you can choose to apply this technology in other ways, such as making chips smaller. We have utilised the technology in this way so that we could minimise the power consumption of Wii. If the chip becomes smaller, we can make the size of the console smaller. With a smaller chip and minimised power consumption, Wii can be left on 24 hours a day. This is what I meant when I said that the way Wii makes use of state-of-the-art technologies is completely different from the way in which they are used in other devices.

http://wii.nintendo.com/iwataasks.jsp

Will that suffice? Or are you really just getting to the point that the Wii cannot compete very well graphically with the 360 and the ps3?
What i'm trying to say is Yes this is New tech compared to the Power Glove but the same concept Nintendo tried years ago.There isn't anything Nex-gen about the Wii remote or Wii Board just rehashes of what they tried years ago.People make is seen like they just create this great idea when in fact they just trying the same thing from the past.Thxs for the reply but im not sold on the Wii like others because i have a very deep game system back ground.

6015.10.2007 23:40

Originally posted by NexGen76:

What i'm trying to say is Yes this is New tech compared to the Power Glove but the same concept Nintendo tried years ago.There isn't anything Nex-gen about the Wii remote or Wii Board just rehashes of what they tried years ago.People make is seen like they just create this great idea when in fact they just trying the same thing from the past.Thxs for the reply but im not sold on the Wii like others because i have a very deep game system back ground.
Well you have been given solid facts that the Wii is using new technology, both in the Wii-mote and in the CPU. (that article linked was in relation to broadway and hollywood, not the "board". I'm not talking about wii fit, if that's what you mistook it as.)

Since you are moving on to "nex-gen" = "new concepts", I would love to hear what makes you think the ps3 and/or 360 qualify as "nex-gen" when the Wii doesn't.
Honestly, you're getting to the point where you might as well say there hasn't been a "tru-nex-gen" console since the atari VCS/2600, as every subsequent console has the same concept of playing video games. There is nothing new about faster processors. There is nothing new about bigger storage. Online play was already developed last gen. An "entertainment hub" was spouted both with the xbox, ps2, and ps1.

Which consoles do you consider "nex-gen", and where in your deep gaming background do you come up with support of said assertion?

And thank you for your reply too! :-)
I don't want these posts to come across as hostile. The whole "nex-gen" thing is something I don't quite understand, even from a fanboy perspective.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 16 Oct 2007 @ 16:10

6116.10.2007 11:01

Wow its nice to see other people defending the Wii for once, lol.

Okay, I've read that someone can't acknowledge the Wii due to their deep gamming background. Lets take a look at the stuff I have hooked up to my TV right now: PS2, Wii, SNES, NES, Genesis, X-Box, PS3, 360, and a dreamcast. Switch to the other room and I've got a gamecube, an N64, and a nice little Intellevision Set-up. Stuff in the closet? More consoles than I'd care to name, but its got things like the PS1, the SegaCD, a wide series of portables (gb, gba, gb-color, game gear, ect).

Short story: I'm no stranger to gamming history, but lets face it. The NES gave birth to most everything you see today - the first FirstPersonShooter, the first dance/track mat, the first console gun, ect... Graphic Upgrades are expected out of every single console, at least this go around, Nintendo broke Trend.

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