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Target showing their favorites towards Blu-Ray

Written by Dave Horvath @ 15 Oct 2007 17:32 User comments (41)

Target showing their favorites towards Blu-Ray Captured in a few Target stores across the United States are images showing their marketing push towards the Blu-ray format. Reported earlier, Sony had worked a deal where the retail chain would only sell their format, which was later discovered to be false in that Target would be a preferred Blu-Ray store, yet still cater to HD-DVD.
Target has begun installing Blu-Ray only end caps in their retail isles showcasing both the Blu-Ray players and a rather large selection of movie titles. HD-DVD is still represented at the store, however the end caps for that are almost half the size with only a few titles.

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115.10.2007 18:20

50 is better than 30 ;)

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215.10.2007 18:32
hughjars
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Originally posted by chaos_zzz:
50 is better than 30 ;)
- What you mean gb's in disc capcity?

S'funny cos it's not 50 after all is it?

They can't go beynd 45gb without encountering huge failure rates.

.....and HD DVD's dual layer 30gb?
Shortly to be 34gb and the triple layer 51gb is weeks away.

I guess you'll be the 1st to say 51 is better than 50....er I mean 45, eh?

Sure you will.

315.10.2007 19:16

Good to see this but best buy been doing this for a while now.Blu-Ray is all over the electronics area were as HD-DVD is no were to be advertise unless a customer ask for it.I see Target has made a smart choice because Best Buy is the leading HD seller so it good they are following in there footsteps who's next because it going to fall like domino s.

Report: Best Buy Sells Most Blu-ray, HD DVD Titles

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/sho...DVD_Titles/1045

Many has faith in Amazon but Best Buy sells the most Hi def electronics.So if they cater to Blu-Ray that should give people a clear picture to whats really going on in this Format war & not the twisted numbers Toshiba trying to spin on customer saying PS3 not a Blu-Ray standalone player which i find laughable,I guess not when there are 7 million sold i would discredit it also to make numbers look good.With Blu-Ray still having the most exclusive content thing are not looking good for HD-DVD even with there 150 million exclusive deal with Paramount.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm

As seen on this list on Amazon HD-DVD has just two movie in the top 100 selling items on Amazon where as Blu-Ray has 15.

Much hyped transformers couldn't beat out Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man chest for the highest HD selling title.

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415.10.2007 20:27
vinny13
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This is better for the PS3 ;)

And about the 51GB HD-DVD, that's 3 layers... Even if DL Blu-Ray discs are only 45GB, they don' need 3 layers to accomplish it. Plus, 50GBs will hardly ever be used anyways and they're only going to be more expensive just because it's triple-layered.

515.10.2007 20:44
BIGnewb
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old news but good job target

615.10.2007 20:50
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by NexGen76:
Many has faith in Amazon but Best Buy sells the most Hi def electronics.
- Well Amazon is only the 2nd largest retailer.

Why would anyone take notice of them then, eh?

Originally posted by NexGen76:
give people a clear picture to whats really going on in this Format war
- What, you mean show people that despite having between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray capable devices out there
(compared to HD DVD and depending on which stat you choose)
Blu-ray can only manage a 60:40 lead?

lol

Originally posted by NexGen76:
not the twisted numbers Toshiba trying to spin on customer saying PS3 not a Blu-Ray standalone player which i find laughable
- Yeah of course you do......I bet you go moaning to Canon or Pentax that they didn't include cell/mobile phone cameras in the sales numbers they release too, eh?
LMAO.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
I guess not when there are 7 million sold i would discredit it also to make numbers look good.
- Actually whilst the 'HD DVD side' rightly insist on comparing like with like when talking about stand-alone sales numbers they're only too happy for the Blu-ray crowd to talk about the 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 million PS3s shipped or sold.

Cos it only exposes the Blu-ray format as utterly reliant on the PS3 and it totally shows up the Blu-ray movie attachment rate and that 60:40 sales 'lead' for the pathetically sad situation it really is.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
With Blu-Ray still having the most exclusive content thing are not looking good for HD-DVD even with there 150 million exclusive deal with Paramount.
- LMAO

This has been pointed out to you often enough so it can only be that you have chosen to resort to plain flat out lies.

HD DVD has the most available movie content, the most exclusive movie content and the largest potential movie catalogue.

Here's the proof and the latest current numbers from -

http://www.blu-raystats.com/

http://www.hddvdstats.com/index.php

At first glance it looks good for Blu-ray with these numbers......

Total Blu-ray movies available - 344

Total HD DVD movies available - 323

Total exclusive Blu-ray movies available - 210

Total exclusive HD DVD movies available - 189

but these stats are for the USA only and do not take account of Viacom/Paramount/Dreamworks dumping Blu-ray.

So we have to remove from the Blu-ray total the number of supposedly 'exclusive Blu-ray titles' which are nothing of the sort and which can be sourced on HD DVD internationally cos HD DVD is region-free every-time

See here - http://areahd.dvdtiefpreise.com/?p=109

and here - http://forums.highdefdig...d.php?p=45960#post45960

and here - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=855923

(It's now over 70 titles, but call it 70 for ease of calculation)

This leaves us with the true position -

Blu-ray genuinely exclusive titles = 140

HD DVD genuinely exclusive titles = 189.

HD DVD has more exclusive movie content, by far......over 1/3 more in fact.

Then add those same 70 titles to the total number of titles available to HD DVD and
remove the 30 Paramount movies Blu-ray no longer has and the 3 Dreamworks titles
and we are left with -

Blu-ray available content = 311

HD DVD available content = 393.

HD DVD also has more available content, by far

Originally posted by NexGen76:
As seen on this list on Amazon HD-DVD has just two movie in the top 100 selling items on Amazon where as Blu-Ray has 15.
- The occasional week or two in isolation means little.

Go look at the Amazon DVD player charts.
The Toshiba HD A2 (now available for just under $200 brand new) is their number 1 DVD player and has been for months (this is out of all DVD players, not just high def ones) the new gen 3 HD A30 is number 4, the new gen 3 HD A35 is number 11, the HD A20 is number 13.

In contrast the highest Blu-ray player is the Samsung BDP1400 which is at number 17.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
Much hyped transformers couldn't beat out Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man chest for the highest HD selling title.
- We'll see, it's only out today (16th).

......and I see the Blu-ray side had to rush a 'buy one get one free' effort to try and deny it top slot.

Talk about desperate.

It's only a matter of time, HD DVD stand-alones continue to sell very well, the inexpensive players due this X-mas (and even cheaper next Easter) ensure that take-up is growing very nicely and that HD DVDs far superior movie attachment rates will close the gap eventually to leave Blu-ray trailing permanently and left as a PS3 proprietary format as UMD is to PSP.

......and with HD DVD having the clear advantage on cost, a finished spec and content Blu-ray (an almost entirely PS3-dependent format) simply cannot compete.

Originally posted by vinny13:
This is better for the PS3
- How so?
The end cap is for the Sony S300 not the PS3.

Originally posted by vinny13:
And about the 51GB HD-DVD, that's 3 layers.
- Er, yeah. The clue was in the name 'Triple layer'.

and what?

Originally posted by vinny13:
Even if DL Blu-Ray discs are only 45GB, they don' need 3 layers to accomplish it
- Nobody gives a rats a$$ how the capacity is acomplished, the fact remains that it is shortly HD DVD that will be offering significantly greater capacity of the 2 formats.

......which according to the Blu-ray fanclub - once upon a time - was all that mattered, eh?
lol

Originally posted by vinny13:
Plus, 50GBs will hardly ever be used anyways and they're only going to be more expensive just because it's triple-layered.
- Er if you're referring to HD DVD's 51gb disc there the issue is not one of expense
(because the tech is so much closer to existing DVD tech TL on HD DVD is easier - ie cheaper - to do than DL on Blu-ray, in tests they found that not only was it not difficult but by shifting to 51gb from the original 45gb it was more reliable too = win win).
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715.10.2007 21:03

i thin k i have this figured out.... ***removed***

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815.10.2007 21:06
hughjars
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Originally posted by banshee07:
i thin k i have this figured out.... hughjars must be an employee of the hd-dvd camp.
- Wrong.

I have no connection and never had had any connection with any of the companies in this so-called 'format war'.

Originally posted by banshee07:
damn dog take their nuts out your mouth. you swallow mor hd-dvd jizz then anyone i know
- Awwww, what's up?

Do you prefer the Blu-ray lies and propaganda to go unchallenged?

915.10.2007 22:01

seriously it just trying seeing your hd commercial in everything blu -ray. we get it you dont like blu ray you wanna marry hd-dvd and let us decide what format suits us.

1015.10.2007 22:21
vinny13
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HD-DVD get's the crap nobody wants to watch.

ie. Exclusive content - ohh yay more previews, or boy are movie commentators so much interesting then the actual movie, or woo-hoo movie out-takes that were takin' out for a reason... I wonder why they took them out?

That's all useless to 99.9% of people that buy movies to watch, well, the movie. And like you said yourself, Blu-Ray is doing better then HD-DVD with more movies in total, and no you can't minus any just because they were sold before a company dropped out... that's just BS lol

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1115.10.2007 23:21
saltynuts
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good old standard DVD for me,way cheaper bigger selection.can find them used dirt cheap anywhere.

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1216.10.2007 1:48

Originally posted by banshee07:
i thin k i have this figured out.... hughjars must be an employee of the hd-dvd camp. damn dog take their nuts out your mouth. you swallow mor hd-dvd jizz then anyone i know
LOL, you can say that again, couldn't of said it better myself

1316.10.2007 2:32

bluray and hd-dvd is basically the same thing... at least for the non tech-nerds. picture is basically the same as well as sound. the average person isn't gonna care about storage capacity. what they will care about is price. sure, rich people won't care about price but if HD players take off, then most of the buyers will be in the middle-class to lower-class range. and price matters alot to those people. HD-DVD over Bluray easily

1416.10.2007 6:42
BIGnewb
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but unfortunately we have an employee of hd-dvd in every blu-ray and ps3 news :P stop repeating yourself oh nvm i forgot you have a saved document on your computer for this already LMAO

1516.10.2007 7:30

LOL, i was wondering whether he had a saved document or actually spent his time rewriting the same thing in every thread.

1616.10.2007 8:44
hughjars
Inactive

LMAO

Hilarious to see the infantile & lame personal attacks when you can't challenge the facts kiddies.

Get back to your game consoles.

1716.10.2007 9:48
OhCrap
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Originally posted by hughjars:
LMAO

Hilarious to see the infantile & lame personal attacks when you can't challenge the facts kiddies.

Get back to your game consoles.
Face it HDDVD is dying. Why do you think the players are so cheap? Er, because nobody wants them (cost and demand). I mean come on if blu ray players were a little cheaper the sales would be double that of what they are now and they wouldn't be able to keep the players on the shelves. Not to mention Blockbuster going Blu Rray exclusive that alone is going to kill HDDVD and now target is leaning toward blu ray. Come on Hugh wake up, you sound like a broken record.

1816.10.2007 9:59

Originally posted by saltynuts:
good old standard DVD for me,way cheaper bigger selection.can find them used dirt cheap anywhere.
I'm with this guy. All you need is an upconvert dvd player and you are set. Hit up the 5$ bin at wally world or some used Dvds.

I'll wait 2 years when this so called 'war' is over, I dont want to bend over this early.

1916.10.2007 11:26
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by OhCrap:
Face it HDDVD is dying.
- Hilarious.
You should be on the stage.

That's some weird idea of "dying" you have there.

They have the most movie content, the highest - and btw rapidly growing - stand-alone sales and a proper complete & final spec.

.....and compared to what?
A format almost wholly reliant on a kiddies game console?
A format not even at the final stage of it's spec (even 'profile 1.1' - if it ever arrives as hardware and software - isn't the supposed finish)?
A format with less available, exclusive & potential content?
A format with an entry-level price-point equal to the high end of HD DVD?
Some "dying" that is. lol

Originally posted by OhCrap:
Why do you think the players are so cheap?
- Firstly because the technology is so much closer to the existing SD DVD tech & did not requite the multi-billions $ Blu-ray has needed in new plant + R&D.

Secondly now that Blu-ray has failed to knock HD DVD out of the game HD DVD is enjoying SoC developments which cut prices rapidly along with multi-million production which ensure economies of scale reduce prices further and further.

The next big drop will be when the Chinese CH-DVD production ramps up (it is identical to HD DVD except for a logo on the case and firmware).
Wait and see, $150 entry-level this X-mas and $100 entry level HD DVD by Easter.

Originally posted by OhCrap:
because nobody wants them (cost and demand).
- LMAO.

Yeah, the Toshiba players are all selling very well but you reckon "nobody wants them".

You need to face up to the fact that Blu-ray's very poor showing is only because they piggybacked on a game console bound to sell multi-millions (even if it is a flop in it's own market).

10 - 20 times the number of players holding a 60:40 lead is not something I'd be shouting about.

.....and if the other guy is supposed to be "dead" or "dying" how much more pathetic does that make Blu-ray's position in this, hmmmmm?

Originally posted by OhCrap:
I mean come on if blu ray players were a little cheaper the sales would be double that of what they are now and they wouldn't be able to keep the players on the shelves.
- You seem to be blind to the fact that it's part of the intent behind Blu-ray to see a return to the kinds of profit margins the CE corporations 'enjoyed' when SD DVD 1st appeared.

That's partly how come they are still so expensive with precious little sign of any one of them dropping below $400.

Originally posted by OhCrap:
Not to mention Blockbuster going Blu Rray exclusive that alone is going to kill HDDVD
- Yeah except they didn't, did they?

They still stock HD DVD in several hundred stores and it is still available on-line from them (and Blockbuster is part of the Viacom/Paramount group......I wouldn't hold out too much hope on that remaining the case)

Originally posted by OhCrap:
now target is leaning toward blu ray.
- LMAO

"Target" have done nothing of the sort.
All they did was sell some end caps to Sony.
Standard business practice, it doesn't mean 'they' feel anything either way.

Originally posted by OhCrap:
Come on Hugh wake up, you sound like a broken record.
- No, just challenging the idiotic BS each time it rears it's ugly head is all.

2016.10.2007 13:46

Originally posted by hughjars:
HD DVD has more exclusive movie content, by far......over 1/3 more in fact.

Then add those same 70 titles to the total number of titles available to HD DVD and
remove the 30 Paramount movies Blu-ray no longer has and the 3 Dreamworks titles
and we are left with -

Blu-ray available content = 311

HD DVD available content = 393.

HD DVD also has more available content, by far
Cmon how can HD-DVD have the most Exclsive content when they have only 2 studio's that do exclusive movies for them.Universal & Paramount which really not exclusive bacause some Dream work titles

Then, just last month came news that the very first Spielberg high-def title -- a 30th anniversary edition of 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' -- would be released on Blu-ray, not HD DVD. (That release is due November 13, day and date with the standard-def DVD edition.)

Finally, yesterday's stunner of a Paramount/DreamWorks HD DVD exclusivity press release included a conspicuous one line carve-out, stating that Spielberg's DreamWorks films would be exempt from the terms of the HD DVD exclusivity arrangement, opening the door to the possible future release of more recent Spielberg blockbusters on Blu-ray.


http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/878

Some much for Exclsive deal

Let's take a look at the much hyped More exclusive than Blu-Ray.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/reviews_hd.html

HD-DVD has countless rehash of Movie's that are already own by people. If you own the SD version why buy the HD version? Universal has been a major help too HD-DVD...LMAO.Out of 393 HD-DVD exclusive movie on that list Half of them are rehashed version & only 4 movie that are exclusive from Paramount(Lets not forget they was Format Neutral).Why buy a HD-DVD When i can use my DVD upscaler & save money on titles i already own.You sound just like Toshiba aways twisting numbers...lol

2116.10.2007 14:21
oappi
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i still think blu-ray wont loose format war... only for hd-dvd that is possible. Ps3 like it or not is blu-rays stronghold. Having blu-ray makes every ps3 owner possible blu-ray movie buyer. Even if no standalone players are sold, there is still big market for those disks. So blu-ray has pretty solid ground. Price seems to be the only thing keeping hd-dvd alive. For non-tech nerd i would see grate benefit with grater storage size... for example recording hd content to disk... when you see how mutch that takes spaces you will think even those 200gb disks arent enought =)... only reason why media industry would´t want to take bluray is because they dont like 50gb of piratet content in one disk/layer idea =)

prices pioneer blu-ray 210€ (bluray read, dvd+/-rw, cd-rw)
toshiba xbox hd-dvd 170€ hd-dvd read only
prize differense isnt so big anymore if you think about the benefit of having old standard burner =).

2216.10.2007 14:27
hughjars
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Originally posted by nextgen76:
Cmon how can HD-DVD have the most Exclsive content when they have only 2 studio's that do exclusive movies for them.
- Stop pretending you don't get this.

I gave you the links which prove my point.

Thanks to the international distribution & publishing deals over 70 of those supposedly 'exclusive' Blu-ray movies aren't around the world.....and with HD DVD being region free everytime that's something all HD DVD owners can enjoy without worry.

Lots of other companies are not tied to Blu-ray - for instance Fox uses a company called Highlight Video as a distributor in Germany which is an HD DVD outlet.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
Finally, yesterday's stunner of a Paramount/DreamWorks HD DVD exclusivity press release included a conspicuous one line carve-out, stating that Spielberg's DreamWorks films would be exempt from the terms of the HD DVD exclusivity arrangement, opening the door to the possible future release of more recent Spielberg blockbusters on Blu-ray.
- Wow, a single Spielberg movie is coming out on BD, well, that proves it eh?

Originally posted by nextgen76:
If you own the SD version why buy the HD version?
- It seems as if every PS3 owner is asking themselves just that!

LMAO

Typical.
You can't dispute the facts from the web sites I gave so you are left trying to run down the quality of the content available.

......cos of course movie content that's aimed at the PS3 demographic has got to be so much better, eh?

Tough luck nextgen76, you failed to disprove a thing.

HD DVD offers the most available, exclusive and potential content compared with Blu-ray

Originally posted by oappi:
i still think blu-ray wont loose format war... only for hd-dvd that is possible.
- Naaa, Blu-ray has hobbled itself by being far too reliant on those PS3s.
HD DVD will take the wider (and much bigger) adult a/v market.

Originally posted by oappi:
Ps3 like it or not is blu-rays stronghold.
- .....and also it's biggest weakness.
The demographic is too narrow and they simply aren't buying enough Blu-ray movies.

You can't get away from the fact that they have between 10 - 20 times the number of players but have only managed a 60:40 lead.

.....and it'll be a long time until they sell another 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 million.

Originally posted by oappi:
Having blu-ray makes every ps3 owner possible blu-ray movie buyer.
- .....and yet as we can see from the laughable attachment rates the overwhelming majority of them resolutely are not interested.

BTW did you know that even Sony's own research shows the majority of PS3 owners don't have an HD TV?
So why on earth would they be wanting to buy BD movies for?

Originally posted by oappi:
Even if no standalone players are sold, there is still big market for those disks.
- Which is how it's going to finish up.
Blu-ray will be PS3's version of the PSP's UMD.
A market of several million still worth selling to but effectively going nowhere and ultimately dead.

Originally posted by oappi:
So blu-ray has pretty solid ground.
- No, you're joking.

Originally posted by oappi:
Price seems to be the only thing keeping hd-dvd alive. [/quopte]

- .....and content and a fixed and settled spec and a proper range of players and accelerating sales.

Not much eh?

LMAO

Originally posted by oappi:
For non-tech nerd i would see grate benefit with grater storage size... for example recording hd content to disk... when you see how mutch that takes spaces you will think even those 200gb disks arent enought
- 50gb is your lot (er I mean 45gb).
There won't be any 100gb or 200gb discs (if the movie studios aren't going to use them in millions then the costs will never fall enough to make them affordable on the street.
Wake up.
They can barely get 50gb (ooops that's really approx 45gb) to work and at an affordable price.

Originally posted by oappi:
only reason why media industry would´t want to take bluray is because they dont like 50gb of piratet content in one disk/layer idea
- .....and of course Blu-ray stand-alones like the S300 won't let you play BD -R or BD -RE.

Originally posted by oappi:
prices pioneer blu-ray 210€ (bluray read, dvd+/-rw, cd-rw)
toshiba xbox hd-dvd 170€ hd-dvd read only
prize differense isnt so big anymore if you think about the benefit of having old standard burner =).
- Those are ROM prices.

Blu-ray burners are all over the $500 level......and the media is as expensive as can be too.
HDDs are the most cost-effective way to back anything up atm.
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2316.10.2007 14:43

Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other. Oh ya just got Transformers on HD-DVD today. Nice to have the best PQ/AQ high-def disk to date.

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2416.10.2007 14:46

Why an idiot would defend Blu-ray or HD-DVD, let alone buy one is beyond me. Who cares which one holds more per disc, or is technically superiour? They both push exessive amounts of DRM on us, the consumers. HDCP compliance, BD+, and so on.
Its all a big joke.

2516.10.2007 14:47
hughjars
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Originally posted by club42:
Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other.
- Watch out for Walmart stocking their own brand of $149 HD DVD player for this X-mas.

2616.10.2007 14:54
OhCrap
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I don't think anyone expected them to immediatley take all of the HDDVDs out to their parking lot and set them on fire. I mean I'm sure they do have a few from before they became blu ray exclusive, duh.


Oh check this out Hugh:

The release of Sony's Blu-ray-enabled PlayStation 3 games console was also a factor in the decision, said Blockbuster senior vice president of merchandising Matthew Smith. Smith's comments comes after Microsoft conceded that the Xbox 360 games console may eventually support Blu-ray.

Here is the link:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/12942/1085/

2716.10.2007 14:57
OhCrap
Inactive

Quote:
Originally posted by club42:
Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other.
- Watch out for Walmart stocking their own brand of $149 HD DVD player for this X-mas.
90% of the items Walmart carries are crap anyway. At least target doesn't make manufactures alter their products like walmart.

2816.10.2007 15:11
OhCrap
Inactive

Originally posted by subpopz:
Why an idiot would defend Blu-ray or HD-DVD, let alone buy one is beyond me. Who cares which one holds more per disc, or is technically superiour? They both push exessive amounts of DRM on us, the consumers. HDCP compliance, BD+, and so on.
Its all a big joke.

Companies like slysoft have already cracked the drm on blu ray and hddvd. So whats the problem? Its not like standard DVD's don't have the same problem.

2916.10.2007 15:14

lol, who cares about blockbuster. they'll be going out of business soon enough.
more interested on who'll come out on top during the Christmas Holiday season

3016.10.2007 15:22
OhCrap
Inactive

Originally posted by jimmer:
lol, who cares about blockbuster. they'll be going out of business soon enough.
more interested on who'll come out on top during the Christmas Holiday season
Oh I don't know they only have over 1400 US stores. So I don't think they'll be closing up shop anytime soon.

3116.10.2007 17:58

I can say that after owning a ps3 and an HD DVD , i say that HD DVD is much better , here are some reasons : 1 ) Cheaper players , 2)more exclusice content ( Yes there are a lot who likes speacial features) 3) After watching Happy Feet on both Blu ray and HD DVD version....HD DVD is better . In the long run doesnt matter who wins but i believe that HD DVD is the best format .

3216.10.2007 19:31
hughjars
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Originally posted by OhCrap:
Companies like slysoft have already cracked the drm on blu ray and hddvd. So whats the problem? Its not like standard DVD's don't have the same problem.
- Why do you guys always have to lie or be so badly informed.

AACS has been cracked.

But Blu-ray also has a unique load of DRM all of it's own called BD+ which, together with the hardware based watermarking Blu-ray uses, has not been cracked
(or avoided).

3316.10.2007 20:14
vinny13
Inactive

Haha the public likes Blu-Ray better then HD-DVD! It's like teasing a 4 year-old.

No body wants to take the time to research a machine that plays movies. So, when these people decide to buy either or, they'll buy what sounds cooler, looks nicer, or even more expensive because some people think the higher the cost, the better the quality or something. They might not even know what could possibly be better about something that's more expensive even though they were all made for 1 purpose, which is to play HD movies. As long as they do that, they're happy.

"What will he pull out of his ass next?"

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3416.10.2007 21:12

Originally posted by banshee07:
i thin k i have this figured out.... ***removed***
enjoy a holiday on me...


3516.10.2007 22:03

LOCOENG, you and binkie7 have gone to work quick. Keep up the good work.

3616.10.2007 22:20
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by vinny13:
No body wants to take the time to research a machine that plays movies.
- Uh huh.

That's why we have umteen technically focused sites like this one. eh?

But you reckon it's not really worth the bother researching your kit & that ignorance is best, eh?
Now that is the kind of talk I'd expect from a 4 year old.

"sounds cooler", ffs you guys deserve to be ripped off repeatedly with over-priced inferior goods.

Jayzuss wept.

Thank God you're the minority.
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3717.10.2007 9:04
saltynuts
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Originally posted by subpopz:
Why an idiot would defend Blu-ray or HD-DVD, let alone buy one is beyond me. Who cares which one holds more per disc, or is technically superiour? They both push exessive amounts of DRM on us, the consumers. HDCP compliance, BD+, and so on.
Its all a big joke.



AMEN BROTHER this guy said a mouth full.50gigs for a movie come now dont blow smoke up our ass with this kong size load of BS,maybe 50gigs for video games but movies,no way in hell,30gigs is also a bit much.but if they work on the price and get the average joe onboard with this crap then maybe they may stand a chance.guys this will come down to the average joe who buys movies every other week from his paycheck not the super tech savy who will steal the shit anyway.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 17 Oct 2007 @ 9:45

3818.10.2007 7:38
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Originally posted by club42:
Walmart is already starting to stock toshiba HD-DVD players in store's instead of just online. With target choosing one side it wouldn't surprise me if Walmart chose the other.
- Yeah and sometimes they make a choice to go 'one format' (or sell things like 'end caps' - as Target has done) and then later reverse the decision.

Like has happened in Australia.

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Sony and Blu-ray have lost their exclusivity in JBHi-Fi stores with the announcement that effective from November, the major retailer will start selling HD DVD players and content.

The big winner is Toshiba, with JB Hi-Fi Marketing Director Scott Browning conceding that it was the exclusive Paramount content deal with HD DVD that swung him over to the HD DVD format.

Back in February this year at the launch of the Blu-ray Disc Working Group, Browning said that JB Hi-Fi would only sell Blu-ray hardware and software because of the strength of the format.

But in an interview with SmartHouse today Browning said, "We have come to the conclusion that cutting the consumer out of a HD DVD opportunity was not right, as content is critical and the move by Paramount to support HD DVD exclusively influenced our decision.

In addition, Toshiba is a strong brand and we are currently selling their computer products, and will next year be selling their LCD TVs."

He added, "The dropping of the entry-level price to a HD DVD player late last week by Toshiba was not a key part of our decision. We are focused on 1080p and the HD DVD offering from Toshiba will complement our existing customer offering.
Toshiba have done a great job in expanding their CE range and we look forward to working with their team."

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/HD/HD_DVD/J8T5Q8M5

3920.10.2007 0:33

And after reading the whole thing, my opinion is still the same. I'm going to wait until the stupid war is over or until LG releases a $150 dual format player. I recently bought a $150 excellent UpConverting DVD player that is DiVX capable and has a USB port which I use to plug an external HD full of content. Standard DVD and DiVX look just great.

4022.10.2007 21:13

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Face it HDDVD is dying
With Transformers HD-DVD now has the highest 1st day and 1st week sales of any high def release to date. Far from dead.

4123.10.2007 7:33

Well at least they have focused on their target :P

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