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American Gangster available on P2P prior to theatrical release

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 26 Oct 2007 0:34 User comments (62)

American Gangster available on P2P prior to theatrical release More than a week before its theatrical release, the movie American Gangster has shown up on P2P networks, and has even been spotted on DVD on the streets of Los Angeles for a mere $5. The movie, which stars Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe, follows such hits as Ratatouille, Sicko, and Hostel: Part II, which were also leaked on the internet before being officially released.
Wall Street Journal sources indicate Universal Studios, who owns the film, is confused about the source of the leaks because there weren't any advance copies distributed. Some internet sources have indicated that it's from a DVD Screener, which at one time was a common source for Oscar nominated movies, although its become less common since the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences began adding Watermarks to all DVDs sent to academy members. Other sites have reported that the copy is of low quality, which combined with Universal's statement of confusion would seem to indicate it's not actually a Screener.

Although the availability of the movie just a week and a half before its U.S. debut may not have much impact on domestic ticket sales, it's well in advance of the movie's planned international release in February of next year. That means there's plenty of time for it to make its way to potential audiences outside the U.S.

Source: Slashfilm

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62 user comments

126.10.2007 0:40

Definetely a DVD source...but dont ask how i know :)

226.10.2007 1:02

This is interesting. However a friend of mine works at a movie theater and he said that he can see them up to two weeks before its "public" release date.

He said the movie theaters get a HDD about a week or two before the actual release date of the movie, depending on how popular of a movie it is, and he can watch them before and after hours.

Maybe the heist was made from one of these HDDs? Sure they deny advanced copies being distributed but only in disk form.

Peace

326.10.2007 1:21

Yeah, I worked in a theater before too. However, the movies would only arrive on a Monday or Tuesday for a Friday debut. And then they were safely locked in its case and guarded in the manager's office. There were a lot of strict regulations dealing with those things.

Also, the movie was on a film the size of a tire when unpackaged. Now our equipment was somewhat out of date, and perhaps it has changed over the last few years. But if not, then its near impossible to get a high quality release out before a theatrical debut just from a dub of the theater's film.

426.10.2007 1:29

Originally posted by amf0802:
Yeah, I worked in a theater before too. However, the movies would only arrive on a Monday or Tuesday for a Friday debut. And then they were safely locked in its case and guarded in the manager's office. There were a lot of strict regulations dealing with those things.

Also, the movie was on a film the size of a tire when unpackaged. Now our equipment was somewhat out of date, and perhaps it has changed over the last few years. But if not, then its near impossible to get a high quality release out before a theatrical debut just from a dub of the theater's film.

You are talking about actual "film" version. The person above you is most likely talking about a digital version for a digital projector.

526.10.2007 1:31

its def a dvd source... =]
from what ive ummm heard haha

626.10.2007 1:47
WierdName
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And all da drummers played: *bum* *bum* *tsh*

726.10.2007 2:34
AZVet
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Why are some people so interested in stealing music and movies?

Most people who steal can afford to buy the item. Especially those who have the hardware and software to carry out their thief. One can say that those type of people are at best, just cheap.

Then you must realize that thieves are just dishonest people. They are dishonest with all their friends, families, and employers too.
You know the story - "there is no honesty amoung thieves".
So now you have a cheap, dishonest, thief.

Then, you have to add the fact that thieves are liers. At best, they lie about what they steal. So now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying thief.

Then add the fact that people who steal generally know it is against the law. So, now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying theif who is nothing more than a punk crook.

So, if you steal movies and music, go look in the mirror and see what a cheap, dishonest, lying thief punk crook looks like!!

Anyone out there disagree???

826.10.2007 2:51

just gotta say LMFAO!!! With all they spend on keeping us from copying rented or borrowed movies you can get a PRE Theater release! HAHAHQA! that is like just insane!

926.10.2007 2:54

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1026.10.2007 3:00

Oh just a comment about ASVET's post, so if i scrape together enough parts to build a computer out of 5 year old parts & either Use linux or windows (warez version) & used pirated software i must have the $ to buy movies? wtf are you thinking? I have come a long way from that because i can afford legal stuff now but there was a time when i couldn't & took what i could & did the most that i could with it! Sometimes it is also just trying to see what you cna do! how you cna beat the other guy. not really about steeling at least for individuals who copy stuff it is more cause you can do u think they are gonna listen to 100gb of music? But then on the other hand there are people who get the stuff & have high end computers to make good copy's so that they can resell the stuff for profit! Which you didn't even touch on that with your single sided opinion there of yours!
Oh, I am not saying any of it is right btw just giving more points of view! You coudl also see it this way, have your kid out smoking dope & shit or messing around on a computer copying movies? most parents don't have a clue what there kids r doing & they are probably just happy they aren't running around with the "trouble kids"

1126.10.2007 3:01

Originally posted by AZVet:
Why are some people so interested in stealing music and movies?

Most people who steal can afford to buy the item. Especially those who have the hardware and software to carry out their thief. One can say that those type of people are at best, just cheap.

Then you must realize that thieves are just dishonest people. They are dishonest with all their friends, families, and employers too.
You know the story - "there is no honesty amoung thieves".
So now you have a cheap, dishonest, thief.

Then, you have to add the fact that thieves are liers. At best, they lie about what they steal. So now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying thief.

Then add the fact that people who steal generally know it is against the law. So, now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying theif who is nothing more than a punk crook.

So, if you steal movies and music, go look in the mirror and see what a cheap, dishonest, lying thief punk crook looks like!!

Anyone out there disagree???
Anyone disagree you work for the media mafiaa??

1226.10.2007 3:53
AZVet
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NO,I'm just a older retired man who was raised in a time when things were black or white, right or wrong.

Stealing or breaking the law is wrong. I think we all agree with that.

Now it comes down to excuses or justifications. I can't accept that being poor is an excuse to steal. It comes down to feeling sorry for yourself about not having any shoes, until you see someone with no legs. Not having food for your children and stealing a loaf of bread is justification. Getting 1000+ songs free is just plain stealing with no justification.

If we don't like the laws there are ways to change them. But, if an artist can not make a living because everyone steals his work, then soon the artist will find another means of income and there won't be any art. That's not a good thing. Besides, where do you draw the line? If I steal a painting from an art gallery is that different than someone else stealing a song or movie? Not really..

So, I guess it comes down to this. It takes all kinds to make the world go around. But, I have to look in the mirror to shave and I want to be proud of the guy I'm looking at, not ashame of him.

1326.10.2007 4:06
AZVet
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By the way. I think the laws as they are written, are unfair to consumers in many ways and should be changed.

An example:
A person has a large collection of VHS movie tapes that he paid for. As we all know, VHS has a relatively short quality life.
So, in order to maintain those movies he purchased, he goes to the public library and takes out the DVD version of the same movies and rips the movie-only portion to burn for his own personal use.
That is against the law. Is it wrong?

1426.10.2007 6:48
nobrainer
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I know what they should do to stop this, you listning MPAA:

(Sony , Buena Vista (Walt Disney ), Paramount (Viacom -- DreamWorks), 20th Century Fox , Universal , and Warner Bros. (Time Warner))

you should have put some drm in it that would defiantly have stopped it being pirated.

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1526.10.2007 7:56

Has anyone seen this yet? Is it any good?



1626.10.2007 8:06

Originally posted by svtstang:
Originally posted by AZVet:
Why are some people so interested in stealing music and movies?

Most people who steal can afford to buy the item. Especially those who have the hardware and software to carry out their thief. One can say that those type of people are at best, just cheap.

Then you must realize that thieves are just dishonest people. They are dishonest with all their friends, families, and employers too.
You know the story - "there is no honesty amoung thieves".
So now you have a cheap, dishonest, thief.

Then, you have to add the fact that thieves are liers. At best, they lie about what they steal. So now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying thief.

Then add the fact that people who steal generally know it is against the law. So, now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying theif who is nothing more than a punk crook.

So, if you steal movies and music, go look in the mirror and see what a cheap, dishonest, lying thief punk crook looks like!!

Anyone out there disagree???
Anyone disagree you work for the media mafiaa??
First off, it's nice to see you back online Stang. Regarding AZVet's post, I couldn't agree more. He needs to chill out a bit. NO one wants him catching a hernia now...LOL!

1726.10.2007 8:32
kptkirby
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Originally posted by AZVet:

If we don't like the laws there are ways to change them. But, if an artist can not make a living because everyone steals his work, then soon the artist will find another means of income and there won't be any art. That's not a good thing. Besides, where do you draw the line? If I steal a painting from an art gallery is that different than someone else stealing a song or movie? Not really..
Downloading copyrighted material isn't in any way the same as stealing a painting. Unless by stealing you meant, take a high quality picture of that painting, put the painting back, transfer it onto a computer and share it with the rest of the world. Stealing would imply that the original source is gone and no one can purchase it or view it. When in reality that is not the case, people can still go see this film in the cinema or buy it on dvd when it comes out.

If anyone is to blame for the artists lack of income it would be the record company that sucks them dry. Don't forget that an artists' income is not solely from their media sales. They have tours, merchandise and radio royalties to benefit from. An artist should be in it for the music not the money.

1826.10.2007 8:32

I can't do anything but laugh

1926.10.2007 8:32

There are 2 CD Xvid versions and a DVD5 version of this film floating around. It came as a shock to me, because it looks like the only film I would be willing to spend money on for the rest of the year. Hollywood really F'D up somehow. Seems to have created a larger buzz for the film now too, so anyone who has the means to see it early will go tell their friends, and they tell their friends, and so on, and so forth. Well, eventually, some of those "friends" don't have the same means to watch it as we do, and they will go pay to see a movie they otherwise weren't interested in. Hmm... I know personally I've paid to see a movie or buy a DVD of something that I had d/l beforehand. Movies like The Departed, Shooter and Mr. Brooks come to mind...

2026.10.2007 9:27
hughjars
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Originally posted by AZVet:
NO,I'm just a older retired man who was raised in a time when things were black or white, right or wrong.
- Well you're entitled to your view, of course, but I think it's way too simplistic and frankly somewhat absurd.

I pay an annual TV licence here in the UK for my TV & radio services from the BBC.
That means I pay (£135.50 = $271 US) towards the movie & music 'industry' annually.

I also pay for subscription satellite TV.
That means I already pay (very handsomely, 12 x £53 = £636 = $1272 US, inc the HD tariff) towards the movie & music 'industry'.

That's £771.50 ($1543) p.a. at current prices.

Large chunks of those payments go directly to 'support' the movie and music 'industry' & they can go f*ck themselves if they think they're getting anymore.
I already paid my dues, I already paid plenty (and over many years too).

Here in the UK I am legally allowed to copy movies from my PVR/DVR satellite box or videotape (or DVD record) my TV movies and record my radio.

So the idea that downloading is actually and genuinely 'theft' is a nonsense.

It is merely a technological convenience and a matter of timing.

I am quite happy to agree that anyone trying to profit from those activities should be pursued by the law but to claim it's all just a black and white issue everywhere and in every instance is just not correct
(and a major reason why few will give that kind of ridiculous nonsense the time of day).

Besides which they could simply allot a small surcharge on all blank media to cover the costs if they genuinely think they are still out of pocket, as happens in some European countries.

....or better yet use the full weight of the law to pursue the companies and corporations producing (and profiting from, shock horror!) the burners & the blank media for facilitating the 'theft', like they're trying to pressurise ISPs or torrent sites.....oh no, wait, if they did that they'd be pursuing themselves.

It's all just so much hypocritical greedy BS.

I'm an older retired guy myself and I'm not so 'green' as to blindly go along with every bit of loathsome, illogical and greedy BS 'the industry' and it's equally lunatic lawyers can come up with.

.....and back on topic....

the only really annoying thing about this movie is that I can't find an Xvid/Divx copy @ 1.3 - 2.0gb with a nice full surround sound ac3 5.1 audio track so far.
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2126.10.2007 10:48

hughjars, you are a gentlemen and a scholar. That's exactly how I feel about "putting" back into the industry. I pay for cable television, Napster and Netflix. I do put back into industry and just not a straight up "pirate".

I pay Napster every month for a subscription so I can always have the latest music. I would never in my mind pay the $0.99 retail for my 4000+ songs, but don't mind $10-$15 a month, since I can circumvent the DRM and actually use the music in ways that I like. It comes tagged, all at the same bitrate, and organized, plus, I'm not uploading as a super peer to anyone.

I'm using a legal method to obtain the music, but an illegal method to "use" it? Big deal! No one is getting hurt, and it's not like I'm sharing it with the world, or selling it for profit.

I know what all of you Netflix users are doing, especially those that complain about "throttling". Don't think that they don't know either, especially when you send that DVD back the same day!

The way I see it, RIAA and MPAA makes money from the service (Napster/Netflix) and in turn those services make money from the Average Joe. That sounds a lot more like FairPlay to me!

2226.10.2007 11:04

Quote:
the only really annoying thing about this movie is that I can't find an Xvid/Divx copy @ 1.3 - 2.0gb with a nice full surround sound ac3 5.1 audio track so far.
Keep looking huhgjars, its there xD

2326.10.2007 11:19

Originally posted by Joshewah:
The person above you is most likely talking about a digital version for a digital projector.
Thats correct.

2426.10.2007 11:46

Originally posted by AZVet:
NO,I'm just a older retired man who was raised in a time when things were black or white, right or wrong.
yeah, me too... a time when presidents didn´t start wars based on lies, when countries deemed torture as illegal, when leaders were chosen by vote not by rich lobbies and when the government gave preference to the people instead to the big corporations...

2526.10.2007 12:11
duckNrun
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Originally posted by SProdigy:


I know what all of you Netflix users are doing, especially those that complain about "throttling". Don't think that they don't know either, especially when you send that DVD back the same day!
Hey now! lol

I rent movies quite a bit. And I do not make permanent copies of any of them. At times I don't make any copies. I also work much more than quite a bit. I cannot always watch a movie when I get it, nor can I always watch a movie with my friends when I get it.

At times I DO make an .iso of it and return the movie. Sometimes this is so I can rent another one, sometimes this is because I know someone else is waiting for the same movie and consider it polite to return it ASAP.

BUT when I do make an .iso I DELETE it after watching it. I paid the rental to see it, so exactly WHEN I see it really is just not relevant.

However you are correct that SOME people rent, rip, burn, label and even make pretty DVD cases to store them in before adding them to their library. However to assume that EVERYONE is doing this just because they return a movie the day the get it is not unlike the argument the media folks make about ALL pirates....

Does it matter if when I have a few days off I watch a weeks worth of rentals that I temporarily ripped and then delete? If I waited for those days off to get them from Netflix or the corner store I most certaintly would not be able to see as much as I otherwise could and want to.

/rant

:-)

2626.10.2007 12:14

Quote:
Originally posted by SProdigy:


I know what all of you Netflix users are doing, especially those that complain about "throttling". Don't think that they don't know either, especially when you send that DVD back the same day!
Hey now! lol

I rent movies quite a bit. And I do not make permanent copies of any of them. At times I don't make any copies. I also work much more than quite a bit. I cannot always watch a movie when I get it, nor can I always watch a movie with my friends when I get it.

At times I DO make an .iso of it and return the movie. Sometimes this is so I can rent another one, sometimes this is because I know someone else is waiting for the same movie and consider it polite to return it ASAP.

BUT when I do make an .iso I DELETE it after watching it. I paid the rental to see it, so exactly WHEN I see it really is just not relevant.

However you are correct that SOME people rent, rip, burn, label and even make pretty DVD cases to store them in before adding them to their library. However to assume that EVERYONE is doing this just because they return a movie the day the get it is not unlike the argument the media folks make about ALL pirates....

Does it matter if when I have a few days off I watch a weeks worth of rentals that I temporarily ripped and then delete? If I waited for those days off to get them from Netflix or the corner store I most certaintly would not be able to see as much as I otherwise could and want to.

/rant

:-)

Good rant, same opinion :P

2726.10.2007 12:36

Quote:
At times I DO make an .iso of it and return the movie. Sometimes this is so I can rent another one, sometimes this is because I know someone else is waiting for the same movie and consider it polite to return it ASAP.

chwoolgar,
That's pretty considerate of you. Now, I know to think about your little generosity whenever I get a higly rented movie through the mail. LOL!



2826.10.2007 13:07

Quote:
If we don't like the laws there are ways to change them.

The american system for getting laws passed is very lengthy and favors the person with the most money. Since piracy is an international issue then the process for getting the laws changed will take many years.

Quote:
So, in order to maintain those movies he purchased, he goes to the public library and takes out the DVD version of the same movies and rips the movie-only portion to burn for his own personal use.
That is against the law. Is it wrong?

Yes it is wrong. This is why people with 8-track players couldnt just walk into a music store and exchange for CDs and why consumers cant start exchanging their DVDs for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs. Do people still do it? Of course. I dont see why once we purchase a movie in one format we cannot obtain it in a different format without having to pay extra or at least get a discount.
The music/movie is still for personal use. If the MPAA wants us to continue to upgrade our video viewing systems, then they should start offering some type of discount for already owned movies.


This is not the first time a movie is leaked prior to its theatrical release. What the movie studios need to do is start tightening their own security rather than keep pointing their fingers at piracy. Bottom line: piracy of leaked movies is their own fault and they shouldnt compain when their box office sales drop when people realize the movie is bad before it gets to theaters.

2926.10.2007 14:13
AZVet
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Quote:
Originally posted by AZVet:
NO,I'm just a older retired man who was raised in a time when things were black or white, right or wrong.
- Well you're entitled to your view, of course, but I think it's way too simplistic and frankly somewhat absurd.

I pay an annual TV licence here in the UK for my TV & radio services from the BBC.
That means I pay (£135.50 = $271 US) towards the movie & music 'industry' annually.

I also pay for subscription satellite TV.
That means I already pay (very handsomely, 12 x £53 = £636 = $1272 US, inc the HD tariff) towards the movie & music 'industry'.

That's £771.50 ($1543) p.a. at current prices.

Large chunks of those payments go directly to 'support' the movie and music 'industry' & they can go f*ck themselves if they think they're getting anymore.
I already paid my dues, I already paid plenty (and over many years too).

Here in the UK I am legally allowed to copy movies from my PVR/DVR satellite box or videotape (or DVD record) my TV movies and record my radio.

So the idea that downloading is actually and genuinely 'theft' is a nonsense.

It is merely a technological convenience and a matter of timing.

I am quite happy to agree that anyone trying to profit from those activities should be pursued by the law but to claim it's all just a black and white issue everywhere and in every instance is just not correct
(and a major reason why few will give that kind of ridiculous nonsense the time of day).

Besides which they could simply allot a small surcharge on all blank media to cover the costs if they genuinely think they are still out of pocket, as happens in some European countries.

....or better yet use the full weight of the law to pursue the companies and corporations producing (and profiting from, shock horror!) the burners & the blank media for facilitating the 'theft', like they're trying to pressurise ISPs or torrent sites.....oh no, wait, if they did that they'd be pursuing themselves.

It's all just so much hypocritical greedy BS.

I'm an older retired guy myself and I'm not so 'green' as to blindly go along with every bit of loathsome, illogical and greedy BS 'the industry' and it's equally lunatic lawyers can come up with.

.....and back on topic....

the only really annoying thing about this movie is that I can't find an Xvid/Divx copy @ 1.3 - 2.0gb with a nice full surround sound ac3 5.1 audio track so far.

WOW! I had no idea you good folks across the pond had to pay so much for those services... A little costly to be living in such a beautiful country!

I think my comments may have been a little misleading. The copying I was refering to was when people make copies of movies and music which they have no investment in, simply to avoid any costs at all.

I personally feel that a person who buys services that supply movies etc. has a right to retain that movie on a media for viewing later at no additional cost. However, it appears that even that is against most of the ill conceived laws. People should be allowed to protect their investments, but not make a profit from it or allow others to avoid any cost. That's what I meant as stealing.

It sounds like we are on the same page after all. I'm just glad I don't have to pay the high cost to enjoy a little entertainment that you folks are paying... But then, you have a Queen to support! And we get stuck with Bush!

Thanks for your response. Very educational and interesting.

3026.10.2007 14:13

Originally posted by AZVet:
Then, you have to add the fact that thieves are liers. At best, they lie about what they steal. So now you have a cheap, dishonest, lying thief
They dont get any dumber than this.
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3126.10.2007 14:48

Hold on guys i know what this guy means. He means if we pirate a movie the actor wont be able to make more millions off of us than he already is. Why not cut that actors salary in half to where he makes good enough money to be set for life than raise ticket prices. You see if you cut his salary in half, lower prices, then we'd all be more than glad to pay 5 bucks to watch it at the movies. Plain and simple. Just along with all these sport athletes we pay so much to go see in person 200 dollar tickets. Americans are to blame for this!!

3326.10.2007 14:48

very dark... virtualdubmod + brightness filter

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3426.10.2007 15:24

If you borrow a CD or DVD from a friend, is that stealing?
If you go over to a friends house to watch a Pay-per-View sporting event, is that stealing?
If you walk into a book store and start reading a book off the shelf, is that stealing?

I would say if someone hacked into the music/movie industries servers and took something, then that's "stealing", no doubt.

But, the idea of downloading music/movies is more complicated than people realize. Then you have P2P, torrents, etc. which I won't get into. Bottom line is that with the advancement of technology, it's not as black or white as it seems.

What really disturbs me though are these government officials, judges, etc. who barely know how to turn on their own computers (if they even own one) passing laws like they know what they're talking about.

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3526.10.2007 16:16

Originally posted by Rotary:
very dark... virtualdubmod + brightness filter
Exactly, ah thought the ending was pretty good and for a true story ah thought it was dam good. As always with good flicks I wanna go and see this when it comes out, you know the big screen is big, but for those films that only get 10 to 20 mins of my viewing, ohh no I dont gonna pay to watch them in the cinema, and do you know why? I have done that a few times in the past, watched 10/20 mins and walked out, asked for my money back and was told "on yer bike".
Stealing I ask you? I have been to see many movies and have very many dvd's, especially things like matrix, lord of the rings and harry potter which I went to see, oh your all gonna laugh now and call me a saddo but I went to see matrix revolution 3 times in the cinema. Man I love that big screen, want one for my house erm warehouse.
Am I a criminal? well when dear old mum and dad bought presents for christmas time then I used to hunt for them and find them. When a good flick is coming out next month and you get the chance to hunt it down tonight, then what are you gonna do?wait for a month? yeah and in the mean time download it tonight.

3626.10.2007 16:48

Quote:
yeah, me too... a time when presidents didn´t start wars based on lies, when countries deemed torture as illegal, when leaders were chosen by vote not by rich lobbies and when the government gave preference to the people instead to the big corporations...
gee, you wouldn't happen to be a Democrat...what you?

Sorry your guy Kerry lost..but you know, sometimes you just have to move on..

3726.10.2007 18:04

isn't that what being an American Gangster is all about?

3826.10.2007 18:28
hughjars
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Originally posted by AZVet:
WOW! I had no idea you good folks across the pond had to pay so much for those services... A little costly to be living in such a beautiful country!
- Ha, yeah, that's prt of the deal living here in Europe.

Originally posted by AZVet:
I think my comments may have been a little misleading. The copying I was refering to was when people make copies of movies and music which they have no investment in, simply to avoid any costs at all.......

.....It sounds like we are on the same page after all.
- Fair enough.

The national differences do alter the outlook I guess depending on where you are in this.

Originally posted by AZVet:
Thanks for your response. Very educational and interesting.
- NP you're welcome & you too.

3926.10.2007 18:35

@hughjars

Look at it from a different perspective...the US $ is so damn weak, you will be rather wealthy if you come across the pond! As long as you can deal with thug like corporations and corrupt politics, come on over! :p



4026.10.2007 19:24
AZVet
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I'd love to visit the UK again, it's been a long time. As far as the corruption etc., well we certainly have our share here too.
Guess politics and corruption go hand in hand all over the world. You remember the one that goes; "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...."
Have a great weekend and will look forward to another visit soon.

4126.10.2007 21:37
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by svtstang:
@hughjars

Look at it from a different perspective...the US $ is so damn weak, you will be rather wealthy if you come across the pond! As long as you can deal with thug like corporations and corrupt politics, come on over! :p
- I do have US relatives but you know what they say about 'home'. ;)

TBH I think it's all gone crazy & I have trouble seeing it last (and not just in the USA either, we have similar stuff going on here if a little less obvious & brutal).
The 'monopoly money' property is supposedly 'worth' is just stupifying
(nevermind the seriously 'out of balance' situation that now exists IMO between the people, state and commerce).

Sadly it's hard to just up sticks & 'cash in' - it's all relative and you've got to live somewhere......and I do love to live in a pretty town on the coast here.
Ireland & the UK & continental Europe can be very beautiful
(if I was to choose where I'd like to go it'd be a lovely Greek island I reckon).

But every so often I do wonder how it can continue like this & wonder when the next really bad crash is going to hit.
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4226.10.2007 22:07

Frankly ima be very bold with my statement i agree with a lot of post besides that one guy/girl that most people have quoted. If i pay for TV, taxes, and so on i am giving back and so is anyone doing the same is giving back. Point being we end up paying more and more for things we supposedly own like homes, cars that are paid off and you have to keep paying the state to keep your car, taxes on food, buying my few favorite dvds a year i am giving back to somebody mainly the Gov. Downloading a file is nothing close to stealing unless i attempt to sell a product thats not mines especially before it comes out. Whats the difference in when you go to lets say Walmart and get a dvd you like then decide to sell that dvd isnt that the same as selling a copy of a movie you or somebody else made. If a person doesnt physically take someone else's property and start selling it as their own its not stealing. This movie was clearly leaked from somebody in the right position to get their hands on a dvd-screener before it hits theaters. If they want to blame somebody they need to looking at their self because they are the fools with loop holes.

4327.10.2007 6:45

It was a ok film a little two much hyped & who buys dvds/cds now a days when you can download them with huge connections :) All i buy now are blanks. God bless the internet. My movie collection is over 1,000 & still growing all copies yay. It's great getting a dvd weeks before its in stores if you know where to get them from :) Like many here i live ****** pay taxes,work & movies are overpriced so its my turn to take back even if its wrong & make profit on the side from it also.

4427.10.2007 12:07

here's a question (I live in the uk if that helps):

if i own a cd, is it legal for me to download it as an mp3?

if i own a movie is it legal for me to download it?

if i have recorded a programme off of tv, is it illegal for me to download it?

if i have recorded a film off of tv, is it legal to download it?

Under this logic, i believe that i would be well within my rights to download a film that has been shown on TV ever (well, within my own lifetime lol), as i may have recorded it myself?

4527.10.2007 13:15
hughjars
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Originally posted by DjDanio:
Under this logic, i believe that i would be well within my rights to download a film that has been shown on TV ever (well, within my own lifetime lol), as i may have recorded it myself?
- You're highlighting the absurdity of the current copyright laws in relation to this type of 'intellectual property'.

Once it goes out into the public domain the standard ideas are unworkable, illogical and frankly, IMO, pointless.

They're not only out-dated and ill-suited to the reality of the situation but on balance unfit for purpose as they do not actually 'protect' the copyright holder (the serious 'pirates' will always get around the so-called security) but they effect most the paying punter (with things like incompatibility and ultimately over time more and more needless 'work' to make them work properly).

The fact is that for any law to be respected & observed by the populace it has to command popular consent, clearly the current law is very lacking in this regard.

Right now what we have are poor unfortunates (who only ever downloaded music or movies for personal use and not to sell for profit) being picked out to be held up as examples and their lives are being destroyed with 'punishment' ranging from incredibly ruinous fines and /or imprisonment.

IMO that's simply an outrageous and obviously disproportionate abuse of the law not a just use of the law.

(and you'll not find someone like Bush prosecuted; despite him saying, long before they were available legally, that the Beatles were one of his favourites on his iPod)

Sadly far too much of our law is now determined because international corporations are treated as individuals under the law and their 'rights' can stand over ours.

It does vary between states (not everyone has a BBC or a levy on blank media for instance) but with the spread of international law it's more and more 'the same' wherever you go.

We can either ignore this like sheep and put up with an patently unjust situation or we can agitate to change the law.
That requires a little effort & 'we the people' will have to decide whether we want to devote time to this.

It sure as hell won't get any better just bitching about it & doing nothing.
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4627.10.2007 17:07

You know what else makes these complaints about movie downloads stupid is when people have been coping for years especially by VCR. You know how many VCR tapes that were circulated before the DVD era. Them making a big thing about this is dumb and will continue to be.

4727.10.2007 18:54
WierdName
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Originally posted by spydah:
You know what else makes these complaints about movie downloads stupid is when people have been coping for years especially by VCR. You know how many VCR tapes that were circulated before the DVD era. Them making a big thing about this is dumb and will continue to be.
But they weren't smart enough to realize that they could sue all those bootleggers to inflate their revenue account.

4828.10.2007 17:32

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Other sites have reported that the copy is of low quality
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LoL The quality is f@cking awesome........

4928.10.2007 17:42

Originally posted by DjDanio:
here's a question (I live in the uk if that helps):

if i own a cd, is it legal for me to download it as an mp3?

if i own a movie is it legal for me to download it?

if i have recorded a programme off of tv, is it illegal for me to download it?

if i have recorded a film off of tv, is it legal to download it?

Under this logic, i believe that i would be well within my rights to download a film that has been shown on TV ever (well, within my own lifetime lol), as i may have recorded it myself?
I was under the impression that it is only illegal to share it, not to download it.... any feedback on that?

5028.10.2007 17:44
WierdName
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I was under the impression that it is only illegal to share it, not to download it.... any feedback on that?
I think it read that somewhere. It is legal to download the file if you have rights to it, but illegal to upload it.

5128.10.2007 18:46

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I was under the impression that it is only illegal to share it, not to download it.... any feedback on that?
I think it read that somewhere. It is legal to download the file if you have rights to it, but illegal to upload it.
If you have the rights to your file you can do whatever the hell you want to do with it

5228.10.2007 19:20

You guys need to go over copyright law. In America, it is ILLEGAL to download any copyrighted material, whether you own it or not. When you purchase a cd/dvd/game, you own THE RIGHT to use it, that is all. If you do not believe me read the DMCA.

5328.10.2007 19:48
WierdName
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Originally posted by svtstang:
You guys need to go over copyright law. In America, it is ILLEGAL to download any copyrighted material, whether you own it or not. When you purchase a cd/dvd/game, you own THE RIGHT to use it, that is all. If you do not believe me read the DMCA.
Hmm, interesting. Guess I was wrong. Although if everyone computer user is lucky, we won't have to be referring to the DMCA much longer because it will be removed because of how outdated it is. It's like trying to apply horse and buggy traffic laws to modern day car traffic.

5428.10.2007 19:59

I totally agree. The truth, as sad as it is.....is that the people making these laws do not even understand how to operate a computer. I always fall back on this:

I bought a dvd, now it is scratched due to prolonged use, when can I expect my free replacement Mr. MPAA? Oh I see, I will not be given a replacement and I am not allowed to make a backup to prevent my situation....makes sense cough

It is only a matter of time before people will realize how screwed up current laws are and things will change. Although it may not happen in the foreseeable future, it will happen.




5528.10.2007 21:58
WierdName
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Originally posted by svtstang:
I totally agree. The truth, as sad as it is.....is that the people making these laws do not even understand how to operate a computer. I always fall back on this:

I bought a dvd, now it is scratched due to prolonged use, when can I expect my free replacement Mr. MPAA? Oh I see, I will not be given a replacement and I am not allowed to make a backup to prevent my situation....makes sense cough

It is only a matter of time before people will realize how screwed up current laws are and things will change. Although it may not happen in the foreseeable future, it will happen.
Eventually, enough people will get involved with the madness that something will be done. For now, lawmakers will just ignore the outcries and go on their merry way.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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5629.10.2007 14:27

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You guys need to go over copyright law. In America, it is ILLEGAL to download any copyrighted material, whether you own it or not. When you purchase a cd/dvd/game, you own THE RIGHT to use it, that is all. If you do not believe me read the DMCA.
It is legal to download and illegal to upload. If it were illegal to download, then services like iTunes and Netflix (using the viewing hours) would be illegal in the US. What you are paying for to legally download is the right to fair use of the downloaded media. This is why a lot of companies use DRM to protect themselves from their customers "abusing" their fair use.

There is a few other fuzzy areas as well.
If you own a game for example, you can legally download a copy of the game for personal use but if you lose or damage the original then the downloaded copy becomes illegal since you no longer have the fair use rights to that game.

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5729.10.2007 14:53

Incorrect.

Why do you think iTunes is legal?? Here is a hint, you are PAYING for what you download! Nothing complicated about it. You purchase something, you own the right to use what you bought. You do not own the right to anything else besides that one copy. Buying item A does not entitle you to download Item A off the web. Believe whatever makes you feel good, but you are wrong.

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If you own a game for example, you can legally download a copy of the game for personal use but if you lose or damage the original then the downloaded copy becomes illegal since you no longer have the fair use rights to that game.
That is silly. I am sure Nintendo and the ESA agree with you...they have no beef with having an unauthorized copy of one of their products *sigh. You are confusing your opinion with the law. This is a pointless debate, the law is the law and either you understand it or you don't.




5831.10.2007 17:52

This is surprising why?? this is common practice nowadays :)

593.11.2007 7:38

if you bought your cd or dvd, as long as you are not trying to profit from it use it any way damn well you please, jees its a no brainer.

603.11.2007 9:03

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I was under the impression that it is only illegal to share it, not to download it.... any feedback on that?
I think it read that somewhere. It is legal to download the file if you have rights to it, but illegal to upload it.
In that case it wouldn't be illegal to upload it to the people who have rights to download it.

613.11.2007 17:05
WierdName
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Originally posted by FreqNasty:
In that case it wouldn't be illegal to upload it to the people who have rights to download it.
Actually, with the screwed up laws here, it's completely plausible. However, someone has since mentioned this is incorrect.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

626.11.2007 20:39
Norm9
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More than a week before its theatrical release, the movie American Gangster has shown up on P2P networks,
Hmm! its getting a release here on the 16th Nov, probably the same in UK?
I remember the release of X-Men2, wasnt it released in about 90 countries to eliminate piracy?
Do you think they'll do that again!
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