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CRIA threats lead to shutdown of Demonoid site

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 09 Nov 2007 10:29 User comments (90)

CRIA threats lead to shutdown of Demonoid site Visitors to BitTorrent Tracker site Demonoid.com over the last several hours have been greeted by the following message:
"The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding."

In September the site was forced to move its servers to Canada from The Netherlands, where they were under attack from Dutch copyright enfocement agency BREIN. Since that time, the Canadian equivalent to the RIAA, the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) has been working to have the servers shut down. In September the site was down for a week, and when they returned they no longer accepted connections from Canadian users.

Source: Demonoid

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90 user comments

19.11.2007 10:39

now this is a BIG hit to the torrent guys. Demonoid was huge.

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29.11.2007 10:41

Demonoid is huge. I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop-up again, hopefully it does.

39.11.2007 10:47

ugh......my stomach is sick. Not Demonoid!! You give that back!!!

49.11.2007 10:57

Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure The Pirate Bay will be happy to bring them back. TPB likes those kind of challenges. Even so, you take down 1 torrent site 10 more are created.

59.11.2007 11:15
AXT
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Why? Oh well there are million others out there.

69.11.2007 11:51

I just wish I would have been invited to the site, i heard it was the best torrent site ever

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79.11.2007 11:55

TPB come save Demonoid!

89.11.2007 11:59

Damnit I really needed Demonoid today. Lets see where they move to this time... This is their 3rd shut down since July isn't it?

99.11.2007 12:05

Originally posted by DarkElder:
I just wish I would have been invited to the site, i heard it was the best torrent site ever
DarkElder when and if Demonoid comes back online, message me here and I will invite you.

Thanks,
Toof
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109.11.2007 12:15
xhardc0re
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Originally posted by AXT:
Why? Oh well there are million others out there.

but that is NOT the kind of attitude people should have. D* was a community. It was a group of people who SHARED their ideas, SHARED their knowledge, and SHARED their wealth with others. It was a place where kids could dL music they could not afford. Teenagers could dL games their parents couldn't afford, because Bush has completely f**kballed the economy. And where unemployed engineers and scientists could share their ideas and skills with others.

No, D* was not just a bittorrent tracker. It was a utopia of knowledge and ideas that transcended just about any ideal of mankind as a good citizen of planet Earth!!1!











...and oh btw it should be back shortly, this time split into 20 pieces across various Chinese ISPs so the M.A.F.I.A.A. can't touch them :)

Touché!

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119.11.2007 13:05

by far the best site ever

129.11.2007 13:11
morguex
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Originally posted by DarkElder:
I just wish I would have been invited to the site, i heard it was the best torrent site ever
Your right, It was the best sight ever.
Sad to see it go.
But if they ever come back up PM me. I'll help you out.
Peace all

139.11.2007 13:29

they need to host the site in antigua .where slysoft is located

149.11.2007 13:30

i hope they come back i have lot's of files to share




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159.11.2007 13:35

Demonoid was really good i hope it comes back online

169.11.2007 14:06

The CRIA are whimps.

Since when did Canada give 2 craps about this.

My thoughts are someone else/country or competitor is putting pressure the CRIA to get the servers out of Canada. CRIA don't give a crap. They just don't want Canada to be blamed for the piracy which has been the case in the past.

No balls. I live in Canada. I see the lack of balls here. They want to please everyone.

179.11.2007 14:34

Originally posted by MightyOne:
The CRIA are whimps.

Since when did Canada give 2 craps about this.

My thoughts are someone else/country or competitor is putting pressure the CRIA to get the servers out of Canada. CRIA don't give a crap. They just don't want Canada to be blamed for the piracy which has been the case in the past.

No balls. I live in Canada. I see the lack of balls here. They want to please everyone.

You could be right! An outside influence might have a bearing on this...

189.11.2007 14:36

damn i was just getting my ratio past 2.0 lol

hope somehow someway they bring it back..its an awesome site

199.11.2007 14:38
furchtlos
Inactive

O god n0o0o0o0o0o0o0o thats just sucks sooooo bad!!!!

Well, now we have to use alternative sites. I recommend the pirate bay and mininova. Lets pray demonoid pops up again.

209.11.2007 14:40

I'm equally disappointed to see that Demonoid has been popped again. I still have "a bundle" of torrents seeding and a couple leeching. I intend to keep the seeds going until they are zeroed out, and I hope the originators of the few I'm leeching will keep them going too.

In all the time I've been a contributing member of Demonoid, I've found nothing else to compare with the community of users.

I'm hoping the little demon will return!

219.11.2007 14:55
furchtlos
Inactive

URGENT NEWS

Torrent Freak checked out the demonoid IRC channel and it reads:






“Site is down, tracker is up. Expect the site to return, unless we hear otherwise from Deimos.”



Deimos is the founder of demonoid for those who don't know.

229.11.2007 14:58

Originally posted by furchtlos:
tracker is up
that's good news, except sat here i'm not seeing any good news, i'm just seeing "WARNING : Problem connecting to tracker (http://inferno.demonoid.com:3408/announce): ConnectionRefusedError." and appallingly bad download speeds

239.11.2007 15:04

uTorrent is saying "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it."

but the one torrent I want to get is going good, I'm max-ed out at 160kb/s down and 40kb/s up

249.11.2007 15:05
furchtlos
Inactive

Quote:
Originally posted by furchtlos:
tracker is up
that's good news, except sat here i'm not seeing any good news, i'm just seeing "WARNING : Problem connecting to tracker (http://inferno.demonoid.com:3408/announce): ConnectionRefusedError." and appallingly bad download speeds
Yea, same for me. I dropped my downloading torrents, but by re-downloading from demonoid when it comes back you are able to resume from where you left off (assuming you don't delete what you've downloaded so far.

259.11.2007 15:10

hmmm mine is "http://inferno.demonoid.com:3417/announce" and its working fine at the moment, another one that I'm the original upload for is also seeding fine right now, maybe just the older trackers are going down?

269.11.2007 15:34
questar
Inactive

I was apart of the paying community until they shut down. This is going to be tough for us. Demonoid servers should go off world like slysoft as an example.

279.11.2007 15:38
vinny13
Inactive

Next stop, Mexico!

289.11.2007 15:38
camaro17
Inactive

Originally posted by MightyOne:
The CRIA are whimps.

Since when did Canada give 2 craps about this.

My thoughts are someone else/country or competitor is putting pressure the CRIA to get the servers out of Canada. CRIA don't give a crap. They just don't want Canada to be blamed for the piracy which has been the case in the past.

No balls. I live in Canada. I see the lack of balls here. They want to please everyone.

i agree everyone bitches at canada, thats why whey are threatening demonoid. canada is a pirates heaven, and everyone is mad, so the CRIA are just trying to please everyone else, i mean, our country( i live in canada to) is like in the top 10 (i think its like 4th or 5th) top places to live, whats the US, like 40th, people just want to make everyone hate canada by shouting we have all this piracy, so in return we are trying to get rid of it so everyone shuts they're mouths

peace

299.11.2007 15:42
questar
Inactive

Also I said off world like slysoft but not antigua. Slysoft would not like it.LOL if you get my drift.

309.11.2007 15:51

Quote:
Originally posted by AXT:
Why? Oh well there are million others out there.

but that is NOT the kind of attitude people should have. D* was a community. It was a group of people who SHARED their ideas, SHARED their knowledge, and SHARED their wealth with others. It was a place where kids could dL music they could not afford. Teenagers could dL games their parents couldn't afford, because Bush has completely f**kballed the economy. And where unemployed engineers and scientists could share their ideas and skills with others.

No, D* was not just a bittorrent tracker. It was a utopia of knowledge and ideas that transcended just about any ideal of mankind as a good citizen of planet Earth!!1!


...and oh btw it should be back shortly, this time split into 20 pieces across various Chinese ISPs so the M.A.F.I.A.A. can't touch them :)

Touché!
I agree 100% with everything you said. Demonoid was like a family, where you could share thoughts, exchange ideas, and not worry about someone being a d*ck. There may be 10 more sites pop up after this, but there will only be one Demonoid.

319.11.2007 15:51
camaro17
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also when i download any torrents it maxes out at 120kbs, is there any way to make that speed any higher (like including paying my ISP if that is even possible or if its even related to them at all) also im currently downloading all the south park episodes (which takes a long long time) so metime its going strong at 120kbs, and other times it will go as low as 20kbs, and i was wondering if this is normal, like i know that it will move around a few kbps but 100 i think thats a bit much, any suggestions?

thanks in advance
Peace

329.11.2007 16:04
furchtlos
Inactive

Originally posted by camaro17:
also when i download any torrents it maxes out at 120kbs, is there any way to make that speed any higher (like including paying my ISP if that is even possible or if its even related to them at all) also im currently downloading all the south park episodes (which takes a long long time) so metime its going strong at 120kbs, and other times it will go as low as 20kbs, and i was wondering if this is normal, like i know that it will move around a few kbps but 100 i think thats a bit much, any suggestions?

thanks in advance
Peace
Dude, this is not the place or time. Sorry

339.11.2007 16:06

It's ignorant! Like MightyOne and camaro17 said the CRIA is just trying to please everyone but in the processes killing the community known as demonoid.com! it's not a pirate paradise, it's a community of well to do people who would share ideas, how to's (in my case), and even "share" media! btw, did anyone read at the bottom of demonoid? the disclaimer? now i cant remember it word for word, but i think it went something along the lines of, "The files shown here are not hosted on our servers. These files are provided solely by our users and the moderation to the site is also provided by our users. Hosting files you don't have the copyright to/without the copyright holders expressed consent on here, you do so at your own risk."

i have a question the CRIA, RIAA, or other organizations of Anti-Fun, why do you shutdown torrent sites? is it because of their users files that ARE NOT even hosted on the servers you shutdown? or is it because of the tracker, which anyone with half a brain can make?

Demonoid will return someday... i know they will...

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349.11.2007 16:44

Give it time, it'll be back...But yeah, Demonoid is definitely getting a nice donation from me once they're back


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359.11.2007 16:50

demonoid was the best ever. i doubt that the upholder of demonoid will get intimidated by the cria. THEY'RE GOIN' TO MEXICO!!!!!!!!!

369.11.2007 16:52
furchtlos
Inactive

just so you guys see it :)


UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Torrent Freak checked out the demonoid IRC channel and it reads:






“Site is down, tracker is up. Expect the site to return, unless we hear otherwise from Deimos.”



Deimos is the founder of demonoid for those who don't know.

379.11.2007 17:09
xhardc0re
Inactive

Originally posted by furchtlos:
Deimos is the founder of demonoid for those who don't know.

and i'm sure the M.A.F.I.A.A. will use all sorts of terrorist tactics to get him to reveal the mbr database of Demonoid. BASTARDS!

anyway, i heard Russian & North Korea are pretty fair haven for file sharing. Perhaps our friends @TPB will pass a msg to Dear Mr. Putin. We are coming with money...and we are hungry for P2P loooooooooooolz
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389.11.2007 17:12

have no fear ppl, demonoid will return sometime......O and for CRIA...well they can get stuffed (sorry bout the language)

I've been using demonoid for sometime here in NZ. i have a good feeling that they will return.
Demonoid is a good site, i hope things turn out for the best :-)

Everybody... give it up for DEMONOID :-)

399.11.2007 17:17

God bless DEMONOID.

Hope they're back soon.

409.11.2007 18:12
LILBUCK
Inactive

Ok as a Canadian that was blocked out several weeks ago' the only upside to this issue involving demonoid is that they will move out of canada and then resume operations and full access back to canadian's who fileshare ever since we were blocked out the only way back into demonoid was with a proxy and this was a friggan pain in the ass. My personal opion is that there is other forces than the cria at work here, I did some research and found out the following.
1. The CRIA has only been interested in the selling on music and they are mainly focused at pirating for profit they have tried in the past to sue individuals who download with NO success.
2. They have not taken any credit OR acknowledged any lawsuits or pressure put on demonoid.
3. The only reason that Demonoid moved to Canada was to because we are one of the few countries that accepts that downloading copyright material is legal(uploading is not).
4. Earlier when canadians were banned from using demonoid (THIS IS WHERE THE CRIA WAS SATISFIED) and because we were banned this should have let demonoid operate with out any more obstruction in this country BECAUSE the canadian public was not involved anymore.
My educated guess is that the RIAA and the MPAA are putting pressure and funds north to the CRIA in the hopes to eradicate DEMONOID permanently. BUT the bottom line is that this was a BLUFF by the CRIA and DEMONOID folded faster than a 5$ lawn chair. I think that the thought of a big long lasting lawsuit scared the S#$T out of demonoid. Even though I think in the long run, the canadian laws would protect demonoid and they would win.

419.11.2007 18:55

Demonoid is the Best Site out there - I believe they will be back and will be even stronger than before - Good Luck Guys I know you can get back up and running as Number One - Just hope its sooner than later..

429.11.2007 20:19

This is the message I get

Quote:
The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.
Bugger and I've only been a member for 2 weeks.

439.11.2007 20:42

This blows the big one. What am I going to do now??? I hope they get it going again. If not it was fun while it lasted. And I seriously doubt there will be anything better. sniff...sniff...sob...sob:(

449.11.2007 21:24

They WILL be back... Demonoid is an eternal site... it will never die.

Just wait a few days or maybe a week...

459.11.2007 22:09

damn my download is stuck at 99.4 %

4610.11.2007 0:19

my downloads arn't stuck yet, but i hope they get back online soon. their the only site that i trust.

4710.11.2007 0:32

Quote:
i mean, our country( i live in canada to) is like in the top 10 (i think its like 4th or 5th) top places to live, whats the US, like 40th, people just want to make everyone hate canada by shouting we have all this piracy, so in return we are trying to get rid of it so everyone shuts they're mouths
Canada aint perfect. I'm in Ontario and can say it ain't. There are..what..35 million Canadians. There are 260 million Americans. Its just common sense that there will be far more public busts in the U.S. that get exposure.

And yeah..Canada has universal health care (dental is not covered)..but not much in the way of special forces. If Canada is ever invaded by the Chinese...guess who the first will get the call for help....The U.S.A. (Fort Bragg will probably get it before anyone!).

4810.11.2007 0:47

Crikey Windsong, you would be better off with the Chinese than the yanks (past tense of jerk offs).

Why aren't Canadians training special forces moose and caribou to invade and stomp the wasps? The bison would join in too they owe the white fellas a thing or two.

The speed with which Demonoid "folded" is a matter for conjecture only at present. But i sort of have a feeling that the good ship Demonoid had a few life boats tucked away. (No, i don't know anything special, i am an optimist, is all).

4910.11.2007 2:46

I agree with everyone here.. Demonoid is the best place here on earth. User friendly and i have met some of my best friends now through demonoid not to mention help that came easy through the forum... I have yet to find another site where you can post a question and someone actually responds to you via PM!! I miss demonoid and hope to see it back...Deimos' site was a mover, shaker and ground breaker!!!

((HUGS))demonoid... "live long and prosper"... soon!!!

On a purely selfish note: It does totally blow to be halfway done and getting stuck!!! But yet again - It was fun while it lasted. I was heart broken not just because some of the files stopped, but the medium to speak to the friends I have there is gone.. "tear"...

G.

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5010.11.2007 3:58
xhardc0re
Inactive

Quote:
If Canada is ever invaded by the Chinese...guess who the first will get the call for help....The U.S.A. (Fort Bragg will probably get it before anyone!).

huh? do you guys have oil? If so, sure we'll bail you out....after we pump 20 billion drums out of the ground & haul ass. hahahahahah oh wait, sorry. i didn't mean it that way. OK maybe not *evil grin*

d@mnit, D* has a few torrents i wanted to complete. I hope all those files i kept on the HDD allow me to bring my ratio back someday. It would a total shame to waste all that time seeding just for nothing. the CRIA broke my ratio...i'm gonna sue them!!

5110.11.2007 3:58

I adore Demonoid and I agree with everybody on here saying it was more than just a tracker, it was a friendly community. It seems Demonoid is going offline every other week, but they always seem to find their way back to us! ::knock on wood::

I just wish they would keep their forum online when the tracker went down. (This could be done easily.) We could still have our community, and they could still update us on the Demonoid tracker status. I hate when they go down because it's all just rumors, nobody ever has an offical word.

COME BACK!

5210.11.2007 4:35

Demonoid was my favorite tracker, hands down. I hope they can make it back, but in the event that they don't, I still have files downloading. If I disconnect to restart my computer before they finish, will I be able to reconnect to a seeder?

Last I knew: “Site is down, tracker is up. Expect the site to return, unless we hear otherwise from Deimos.” --Anyone heard anything definite yet? Not an IRC user, so I can't keep up.

5310.11.2007 6:08

demonoiders refugee camp can be found at
http://www.demonoiders.com/forum/index.php?action=forum

5410.11.2007 14:12

Demonoid = best torrent site ever

5510.11.2007 15:23
lavet
Inactive

Originally posted by gamillah:
I agree with everyone here.. Demonoid is the best place here on earth. User friendly and i have met some of my best friends now through demonoid not to mention help that came easy through the forum... I have yet to find another site where you can post a question and someone actually responds to you via PM!! I miss demonoid and hope to see it back...Deimos' site was a mover, shaker and ground breaker!!!

((HUGS))demonoid... "live long and prosper"... soon!!!

On a purely selfish note: It does totally blow to be halfway done and getting stuck!!! But yet again - It was fun while it lasted. I was heart broken not just because some of the files stopped, but the medium to speak to the friends I have there is gone.. "tear"...

G.
Quote:
I think this is a B... S...!!! Not godd last very long. I had one good place to download from and not only downloading, but getting help with being new with computers. I go to Demonoid to get help and I get it. If they want the Demonoid, take the torrent site, but not the forum's. It costs alot to bring a coumputer in to get fixed or even just to get help. I have to drive an hour to get my computer fixed and with Demonoid a few minutes to get help. And for the downloading, I think that maybe the prices of Music and Movies should be dropped about 45% and them maybe people would be able to buy instead of pirating. Who wants to pay $15-$20 for a 1/2 hour- 1 hour kids show. I don't. I have to wait till I get money and travel 1 1/2 hour to the nearest store. Why do that and you can get it free, within a day. I believe the writers are on strike right now in the US. They should start protesters and get the prices dropped on Music and Movies!!

5610.11.2007 15:32

Yeah it sucks that Demonoid folded like that-But it would cost way more money in legal fees to try and battle it out with the CRIA than it would to just relocate to another location, such as Sweden...

5710.11.2007 16:38

If they relocate hosts then they can let Canadians rejoin =).

5810.11.2007 22:44

Originally posted by LILBUCK:
Ok as a Canadian that was blocked out several weeks ago' the only upside to this issue involving demonoid is that they will move out of canada and then resume operations and full access back to canadian's who fileshare ever since we were blocked out the only way back into demonoid was with a proxy and this was a friggan pain in the ass. My personal opion is that there is other forces than the cria at work here, I did some research and found out the following.
1. The CRIA has only been interested in the selling on music and they are mainly focused at pirating for profit they have tried in the past to sue individuals who download with NO success.
2. They have not taken any credit OR acknowledged any lawsuits or pressure put on demonoid.
3. The only reason that Demonoid moved to Canada was to because we are one of the few countries that accepts that downloading copyright material is legal(uploading is not).
4. Earlier when canadians were banned from using demonoid (THIS IS WHERE THE CRIA WAS SATISFIED) and because we were banned this should have let demonoid operate with out any more obstruction in this country BECAUSE the canadian public was not involved anymore.
My educated guess is that the RIAA and the MPAA are putting pressure and funds north to the CRIA in the hopes to eradicate DEMONOID permanently. BUT the bottom line is that this was a BLUFF by the CRIA and DEMONOID folded faster than a 5$ lawn chair. I think that the thought of a big long lasting lawsuit scared the S#$T out of demonoid. Even though I think in the long run, the canadian laws would protect demonoid and they would win.
So that’s that, it will leave a huge hole in the amount of quality content floating around in torrent form (much of which we were responsible) unless those who originally uploaded the content attached more than one tracker to the content when it was uploaded (we did not).

Furthermore Deimos (the sites only actual administrator) has turned tail himself and abandoned the Canadian market weeks ago to feeble threats at best. Therefore I suspect that after already going through this once in the Netherlands and moving here to Canada (the best country on the planet) has set up a nice little life for himself in Canada and is not about to go to another country just to rent a server and provide a debatably illegitimate operation for us simple folks.

So long to Demonoid unless Deimos can find another ISP willing to stand up to some pathetic threats by the CRIA who (despite the name) does NOT represent Canadian artists and the Canadian music industry. It is a confirmed AMERICAN association based in Canada to represent the RIAA here, basicly it IS the RIAA!!!




In addition according to this post:
Quote:
In September the site was forced to move its servers to Canada from The Netherlands, where they were under attack from Dutch copyright enforcement agency BREIN. Since that time, the Canadian equivalent to the RIAA, the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) has been working to have the servers shut down.
This is incorrect, Demonoid moved its servers to Canada back in the first week of July and was fine here until the 3rd week in September when Canadian traffic was blocked and we were forced to turn to proxy sites or TOR programs to circumvent the forced restriction.

Just thought I would point that out, its not like the CRIA could do what they did from September to November, in fact it was since early July, Thanks for reading and God Bless the Torrent Community!



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5910.11.2007 22:54
cousinkix
Inactive

Hey, nobody said that you can't put those torrent trackers on some of the older P2P clients. A few of them still work, even though they're no longer being supported by the original developers. What are they gonna do; when there is no more Demonoid, ISO Hunt and Pirate Bay homepages?

Download the old version of BearShare 5 at www.oldversions.com. There is no need to register to get more junk e-mail or provide information for a RIAA lawsuit. Place your torrent tracker and info note pad in a ZIP or RAR file that will be detected by the software...

6010.11.2007 23:35

The guy who runs Demonoid is a gutless wonder! All he should have done is complied, if the Canadian record industry was threatening him, he should have just said OK, I'll prevent all sharing of all music files! After that, the record industry wouldn't have had any other legal recourse because Demonoid would have complied with blocking P2P functioning of music content. Why this guy didn't do this--I haven't a clue? Because Demonoid was far more than a music sharing site, there were TV, movies, E-books, comics, applications, etc. The Canadian record industry can't stop Demonoid from sharing E-books! But like I said, this guy is a gutless wonder--just comply by preventing music sharing and get the stupid record industry off your back from sending threatening letters!!!!

6110.11.2007 23:40

Originally posted by JonLM:
he should have just said OK, I'll prevent all sharing of all music files! After that, the record industry wouldn't have had any other legal recourse because Demonoid would have complied with blocking P2P functioning of music content.

We will say it again, the CRIA (despite the name) does NOT represent Canadian artists and the Canadian music industry. It is a confirmed AMERICAN association based in Canada to represent the RIAA here, basicly it IS the RIAA!!!
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6211.11.2007 1:05

Besides, P2P music is not harming Canada
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/05/...a_p2p_cd_sales/
Published Monday 5th November 2007 by By Chris Williams

Another study of P2P networks has found that music file-sharing has no detrimental effect on the CD racket and, if anything, is associated with higher physical sales.

This time the verdict comes from two University of London economists working for Canadian government business tentacle Industry Canada.

it states:

The Impact of Music Downloads and P2P File-Sharing: Abstract
source: Indusrty Canada found at: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd...n/ip01457e.html

The primary objective of this paper is to determine how the downloading of music files through Internet peer-to-peer (P2P) networks influences music purchasing in Canada. P2P networks permit members to transfer digitally-stored information to one another over the Internet; popular examples include BearShare, LimeWire and eMule. Using representative survey data from the Canadian population collected by Decima Research on behalf of Industry Canada, we attempt to quantify this economic relationship, while accounting for other factors that influence music purchasing. We undertake a variety of econometric estimations for the population of Canadians who engage in P2P file-sharing (P2P "downloaders"), as well as for the whole Canadian population. To our knowledge, this is the first study on P2P file-sharing that analyzes original and representative microeconomic survey data from the Canadian population. Few previous studies have analyzed representative microeconomic data, for Canada or any other country.

The existing literature identifies two competing effects associated with the P2P music file-sharing: the sampling and substitution effects. The sampling effect is characterized both by individuals downloading music in order to listen to it before buying it as well as by individuals downloading music that is not available in stores, while the substitution effect is characterized by individuals downloading music instead of purchasing it. In this paper, we further disentangle the sampling effect by adding a market segmentation effect, characterized by individuals engaging in P2P file-sharing because they do not want to purchase the entire bundle of songs on a CD.

Our review of existing econometric studies suggests that P2P file-sharing tends to decrease music purchasing. However, we find the opposite, namely that P2P file-sharing tends to increase rather than decrease music purchasing.

Among Canadians who engage in P2P file-sharing, our results suggest that for every 12 P2P downloaded songs, music purchases increase by 0.44 CDs. That is, downloading the equivalent of approximately one CD increases purchasing by about half of a CD. We are unable to find evidence of any relationship between P2P file-sharing and purchases of electronically-delivered music tracks (e.g., songs from iTunes). With respect to the other effects, roughly half of all P2P tracks were downloaded because individuals wanted to hear songs before buying them or because they wanted to avoid purchasing the whole bundle of songs on the associated CDs and roughly one quarter were downloaded because they were not available for purchase. Our results indicate that only the effect capturing songs downloaded because they were not available for purchase influenced music purchasing, a 1 percent increase in such downloads being associated with nearly a 4 percent increase in CD purchases.

We find evidence that purchases of other forms of entertainment such as cinema and concert tickets, and video games tend to increase with music purchases. It has been argued in the literature that the increase in the number of entertainment substitutes has led to a decline in music purchasing, but our results do not support this hypothesis. As expected, we find that reported interest in music is very strongly associated with music purchases. Finally, our results suggest that household income is not important in explaining music purchases.

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6311.11.2007 5:04
reuven25
Inactive

There is no such thing as "uploading" files .Files can only be downloaded. This how it works,An author of a torrent starts seeding,and gives any one who wants that file, a license to read his/her HD and copy that particular file.And any one who downloads that file,does the same.There is only downloading,uploading would mean you could enter any ones computer and write to it. Only in the virus,trojan world can any one upload to your computer.I am surprised that the people in Canada stand for this nonsense. Are they wimps?

6411.11.2007 9:00

Originally posted by cousinkix:
Hey, nobody said that you can't put those torrent trackers on some of the older P2P clients. A few of them still work, even though they're no longer being supported by the original developers. What are they gonna do; when there is no more Demonoid, ISO Hunt and Pirate Bay homepages?

Download the old version of BearShare 5 at www.oldversions.com. There is no need to register to get more junk e-mail or provide information for a RIAA lawsuit. Place your torrent tracker and info note pad in a ZIP or RAR file that will be detected by the software...
Thats a good idea. have hide you ip address when your on there, but thats not actually a dad idea.
couldnt you just use DC++....

6511.11.2007 9:17
varnull
Inactive

Quote:
individuals downloading music that is not available in stores
That's me..

All these US idiots will do is push generally law abiding people into the darkside of the internet.. inhabited by the extremists, terrorists and real criminals.. I hope they learn when we all have access to bomb making data, and how to set up terrorist cells listed right next to music files.

I'm a little upset that I sent a few $$'s to a certain person who as it looks now has done a runner under pressure from the a$$holes.. (waiting to see developments before saying more.. I believe our friend will get something going again in the future.. I can understand not wanting to relocate again)
I'm sure there are plenty of servers for rent in North Korea, Iran and China where the RIAA and the rest haven't got a hope of touching them, and that would certainly give the anti west governments some satisfaction.

The USA doesn't own the world.. Sooner they get a real good kicking the better.

6611.11.2007 9:39
reuven25
Inactive

That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?

6711.11.2007 10:03

i foresee a giant ship with a giant demonnoid logo stamped to the side. demonnoid will not go anywere anytime soon.

6811.11.2007 10:05
35tony
Inactive

O.K. its Nov.11/07 and NO Demonoid yet! Whether it be the CRIA or RIAA really makes no difference. They obviously have more power then their respective Govts. The only thing to do is hit them were it hurts, IN THEIR POCKETS[b][/b]. I suggest a North American boycott against the recording industries. It should be organized soon though, because Christmas is just around the corner.

6911.11.2007 19:57

boycott all you want its pointless. you not hurting the riaa by it.
what we need is a rent-a-terrorist service hire a group and send him in to riaa headquarter and kill all the top executivs. there rich im sure there wives in children wont care if there dad or husbands die.
as long as the get there cut of his money

7011.11.2007 22:08

Okay, well after reading all of those comments and being a die hard Demonoid member, I had to give AfterDawn my two cents.

Demonoid is my homepage. I would wake up to see how good my ratio has increased because that is basically my way of showing Demonoid how much I really care about the site.

Take all the torrent sites you want; torrentreactor.net, tpb.com, mininova.org, NOTHING will even compare to Demonoid. Why? Demonoid started as a worldwide creation that eventually evolved into every country in the world. Look @ Demonoid! There isn't a THING you cannot find on Demonoid. Album's, movie's, programs, WHATEVER. I think that is definitely one of the biggest reasons everyone turns to Demonoid prior to any other torrent site.

..Also as I said above, I loved lookin' @ my ratio to see how much better it got. I believe that is one of the many reasons that people turn to Demonoid because a lot of other torrent sites don't show you how much you share/seed. Why do you think on TPB there are like 1500 leechers and "200" seeders? There is no ratio! No one can show others just how much they have been sharing! Also Demonoid never tolerated bogus torrents or torrents that were infected. That's what I LOVED about Demonoid.

Will Demonoid be back? Only the Deimos know. My personal opinion, until they move those servers to a country that doesn't give a damn about copyright laws, Demonoid will see it's demise.

Long live Demonoid!

7112.11.2007 0:25
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by dpkchrome:
Okay, well after reading all of those comments and being a die hard Demonoid member, I had to give AfterDawn my two cents.

Demonoid is my homepage. I would wake up to see how good my ratio has increased because that is basically my way of showing Demonoid how much I really care about the site.

Take all the torrent sites you want; torrentreactor.net, tpb.com, mininova.org, NOTHING will even compare to Demonoid. Why? Demonoid started as a worldwide creation that eventually evolved into every country in the world. Look @ Demonoid! There isn't a THING you cannot find on Demonoid. Album's, movie's, programs, WHATEVER. I think that is definitely one of the biggest reasons everyone turns to Demonoid prior to any other torrent site.

..Also as I said above, I loved lookin' @ my ratio to see how much better it got. I believe that is one of the many reasons that people turn to Demonoid because a lot of other torrent sites don't show you how much you share/seed. Why do you think on TPB there are like 1500 leechers and "200" seeders? There is no ratio! No one can show others just how much they have been sharing! Also Demonoid never tolerated bogus torrents or torrents that were infected. That's what I LOVED about Demonoid.

Will Demonoid be back? Only the Deimos know. My personal opinion, until they move those servers to a country that doesn't give a damn about copyright laws, Demonoid will see it's demise.

Long live Demonoid!
Ya man, I checked every site for this movie form 1972, and only Demonoid had it! And there was a seeder! Crazy!

7212.11.2007 4:10

Originally posted by reuven25:
That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?

The length of copyright protection depends on several factors: when the work was created, who created the work, and when the work was first distributed commercially. For works created on and after January 1, 1978, the copyright term for works created by an individual is the life of the author plus 50 years. The term of the copyright for "works for hire" is 75 years from the date of first "publication" (distribution of copies to the general public) or 100 years from the date of creation, whichever expires first.




250gb ps3 non modded and 60gb launch model 3.55cfw

7312.11.2007 4:14

Originally posted by 07anto07:
Originally posted by reuven25:
That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?

The length of copyright protection depends on several factors: when the work was created, who created the work, and when the work was first distributed commercially. For works created on and after January 1, 1978, the copyright term for works created by an individual is the life of the author plus 50 years. The term of the copyright for "works for hire" is 75 years from the date of first "publication" (distribution of copies to the general public) or 100 years from the date of creation, whichever expires first.
i love demonoid too lot's of file's movie and music to share wish it was back.



250gb ps3 non modded and 60gb launch model 3.55cfw

7412.11.2007 5:58
reuven25
Inactive

Yes I understand, but cannot the copyright be challenged,if after the work has been on sale for a certain period of time, the owners refuse to sell any more copies.? It is very interesting that this point has not been raised in a court of law!

7512.11.2007 7:10

Originally posted by reuven25:
Yes I understand, but cannot the copyright be challenged,if after the work has been on sale for a certain period of time, the owners refuse to sell any more copies.? It is very interesting that this point has not been raised in a court of law!
i agree



250gb ps3 non modded and 60gb launch model 3.55cfw

7612.11.2007 15:03

...why are people taking issue with demonoid and/or demios..

...it patently says that it was an issue with the host that caused the site to go down, ie... the hosting company was threatened and complied with the treat and took the site down.

..or alternativley demonoid took the site down BEFORE the host did in order to avoid a seziure of the servers and the loss of subscriber data.

..i have a feeling it will be back too as soon as alternate arrangements can be maade...

7712.11.2007 15:09

No because when you put a patent on it it becomes govt. property think about it ninty nine percent of people dont pay patent tax's
and if you released you work to RIAA or The MPAA they own your work they can copyright it as long as they wish, by doing the following for instance Elvis presley christmas music they then extend there copyright laws for his music.

the RIAA is A Plage that stops younger generations of people from listing to once great artist

7813.11.2007 7:31
varnull
Inactive

No issue with Demios here.. It's up to him what he does with his site.. It's the same for any site owner..

Sites come and go, It happens I'm a member of more than one torrent site anyway. You would be surprised what a different place TPB is when you have member rights.

7913.11.2007 23:24

Well demonoid was already (supposedly) unavailable to Canadian users since the last time it came back, so what the *bleep*. Why does the CRIA have such a *bleep* problem with this *bleep*, like whose going to pirate Canadian music anyway. I'm making the assumption that my fellow pirates are not the kind of people who download Avril Lavigne.

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8014.11.2007 16:46
vinny13
Inactive

They download Alexisonfire and Billy Talent...

8114.11.2007 22:01

Who?

8216.11.2007 7:43

Originally posted by dpkchrome:
Okay, well after reading all of those comments and being a die hard Demonoid member, I had to give AfterDawn my two cents.

Demonoid is my homepage. I would wake up to see how good my ratio has increased because that is basically my way of showing Demonoid how much I really care about the site.

Take all the torrent sites you want; torrentreactor.net, tpb.com, mininova.org, NOTHING will even compare to Demonoid. Why? Demonoid started as a worldwide creation that eventually evolved into every country in the world. Look @ Demonoid! There isn't a THING you cannot find on Demonoid. Album's, movie's, programs, WHATEVER. I think that is definitely one of the biggest reasons everyone turns to Demonoid prior to any other torrent site.

..Also as I said above, I loved lookin' @ my ratio to see how much better it got. I believe that is one of the many reasons that people turn to Demonoid because a lot of other torrent sites don't show you how much you share/seed. Why do you think on TPB there are like 1500 leechers and "200" seeders? There is no ratio! No one can show others just how much they have been sharing! Also Demonoid never tolerated bogus torrents or torrents that were infected. That's what I LOVED about Demonoid.

Will Demonoid be back? Only the Deimos know. My personal opinion, until they move those servers to a country that doesn't give a damn about copyright laws, Demonoid will see it's demise.

Long live Demonoid!


greenvespa

8316.11.2007 7:47

Originally posted by VespaPx:
Originally posted by dpkchrome:
Okay, well after reading all of those comments and being a die hard Demonoid member, I had to give AfterDawn my two cents.

Demonoid is my homepage. I would wake up to see how good my ratio has increased because that is basically my way of showing Demonoid how much I really care about the site.

Take all the torrent sites you want; torrentreactor.net, tpb.com, mininova.org, NOTHING will even compare to Demonoid. Why? Demonoid started as a worldwide creation that eventually evolved into every country in the world. Look @ Demonoid! There isn't a THING you cannot find on Demonoid. Album's, movie's, programs, WHATEVER. I think that is definitely one of the biggest reasons everyone turns to Demonoid prior to any other torrent site.

..Also as I said above, I loved lookin' @ my ratio to see how much better it got. I believe that is one of the many reasons that people turn to Demonoid because a lot of other torrent sites don't show you how much you share/seed. Why do you think on TPB there are like 1500 leechers and "200" seeders? There is no ratio! No one can show others just how much they have been sharing! Also Demonoid never tolerated bogus torrents or torrents that were infected. That's what I LOVED about Demonoid.

Will Demonoid be back? Only the Deimos know. My personal opinion, until they move those servers to a country that doesn't give a damn about copyright laws, Demonoid will see it's demise.

Long live Demonoid!

Amen Brother! I feel ya big time on this one!!!!

greenvespa

8416.11.2007 13:40
lavet
Inactive

Originally posted by reuven25:
That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?
Quote:
Thats true, if they have lets say a TV show that has not come one DVD. Is this still stealing or pirating? If someone uploads last nights 1980 TV show and uploads it. Why can't that be allowed. If they are not going to put them for sale. Let other people have them this way.

8517.11.2007 3:29

Anyway for those of you who haven't seen this yet, theres a forum up now to keep the community together in the mean time.

8617.11.2007 14:49

The forum can be found HERE I believe you can use your Demonoid login credentials to access these forums.
HERE is the link for the other Demonoid refugee forum...You will need to register to view the forums.

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8730.11.2007 1:05

Why dont they just link to tpb and all their problems will be no more.

883.5.2008 16:30

Yo, this thread is dead and demonoid has been back online for months. So i recommend to close this?


greenvespa

893.5.2008 16:33

i'll leave that up to Vurbal, as he started this topic..

903.5.2008 23:13

I like this thread, it's Demonoid getting the last laugh over the Riaa


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