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Xbox 360 to get more exclusive GTA IV content

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 19 Dec 2007 18:30 User comments (51)

Xbox 360 to get more exclusive GTA IV content Take Two has announced that it will be releasing more exclusive Grand Theft Auto IV episodes for Xbox 360 owners in 2009.
The company has already agreed to supply two extra episodes in 2008 but this marks the first time they have spoken of extra content since that initial deal.

"In fiscal 2009 we'll also be offering additional episodic content for Grand Theft Auto IV on Xbox 360,"
confirmed Ben Feder, CEO of Take-Two.

Feder also took time to reiterate that the game would see no more delays and would be released in 2008.

"We're eagerly anticipating the release of Grand Theft Auto IV in our second quarter. The game looks terrific and we're confident it will be every bit as ground-breaking as previous titles,"
added Feder.

Source:
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51 user comments

119.12.2007 18:32
saltynuts
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this is great news.

219.12.2007 19:22
tavek
Inactive

GTA, how different can it be from its predacessors, run & shoot, drive and destroy. Big wow, PS 3 sucks, xbox rules, this game is over hyped.

319.12.2007 19:40

not cool.
but they never really said there WASSNT going to be content for the ps3, did they?

and wouldn't it be funny if the episodic content was stuff the ps3 version already has, but they couldn't fit it all on the 360's dvd9? =] just wishful thinking.

419.12.2007 19:59

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GTA, how different can it be from its predacessors, run & shoot, drive and destroy. Big wow, PS 3 sucks, xbox rules, this game is over hyped.
2009 really... maybe by then MS can get the rest of the 360's parts down to 65nm and prevent the red rings.

I don't own any next-gen consoles, I want to buy a 360 but only once I feel I don't have to rely on a 3 year warranty and cardboard coffins.

Everyone has their own opinion, even though gta was never known for great graphics, the series is nothing but revolutionary.

519.12.2007 21:41
vinny13
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Yay for only 1000 "Micor$oft Points" I can do some extra pimp and taxi missions :P

Even if it were for the PS3 I wouldn't waste my money... I think most of the "exclusive content" on the 360 is a waste unless it's an expansion, or new maps... Or just something that is worth the money anyways.

619.12.2007 21:50
saltynuts
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Originally posted by vinny13:
Yay for only 1000 "Micor$oft Points" I can do some extra pimp and taxi missions :P

Even if it were for the PS3 I wouldn't waste my money... I think most of the "exclusive content" on the 360 is a waste unless it's an expansion, or new maps... Or just something that is worth the money anyways.

Eposodic dont sound like pimp missions or taxi missions,it do sound like expansions to the story.

719.12.2007 22:05

Just shows u how scared they are of the competition. And Roll out the big dough for some extra protection!!!!!!!!!!!

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819.12.2007 22:46

Originally posted by xXxBG:
Just shows u how scared they are of the competition. And Roll out the big dough for some extra protection!!!!!!!!!!!

I could be wrong but last time I checked the 360 was out selling the PS3, and only the Wii was out selling it, and I havent heard weather GTA 4 will be on Wii, and given Nintendo's history I could see why they wouldnt want to publish it.

919.12.2007 22:55

Originally posted by Edgewise:
not cool.
but they never really said there WASSNT going to be content for the ps3, did they?

and wouldn't it be funny if the episodic content was stuff the ps3 version already has, but they couldn't fit it all on the 360's dvd9? =] just wishful thinking.
?
what are PS3 games put on?

1019.12.2007 23:18

Quote:
Originally posted by Edgewise:
not cool.
but they never really said there WASSNT going to be content for the ps3, did they?

and wouldn't it be funny if the episodic content was stuff the ps3 version already has, but they couldn't fit it all on the 360's dvd9? =] just wishful thinking.
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what are PS3 games put on?
Blu-ray :)

1119.12.2007 23:19

Originally posted by Edgewise:
not cool.
but they never really said there WASSNT going to be content for the ps3, did they?

and wouldn't it be funny if the episodic content was stuff the ps3 version already has, but they couldn't fit it all on the 360's dvd9? =] just wishful thinking.
EXCLUSIVE content, meaning stuff the ps3 wont already have or get

1219.12.2007 23:31

Well thats like one of the MAIN reasons 360 Sucks, is the DVD9. I mean in a year or so the games will be in the 10-11GB range normally.And they would have to put it on 2 CD's.

THose idiots

1320.12.2007 0:46
26r0cK
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I heard that M$ paid a sum for some exclusive content for GTA4. I dunno if its tru or not but if so can anybody find a link to it? If not then im just hearing bogus things. And yea i think Xbox360 are gonna have a hard time later on in the future trying to make bigger games that wont fit on one DVD9. Sure they can have multiple discs but in the future thatd mean that all Xbox360 games are gonne have multiple discs. That would sound a little inconvenient.

1420.12.2007 0:59

I dont care abotu extra content, but thisis a good way to pad indavendaul console game sales, kinda wish when PC games get done..they'd be finished and patched...but our online content is promises to fix sht already launched >>


:P

1520.12.2007 1:08

Originally posted by xXxBG:
Well thats like one of the MAIN reasons 360 Sucks, is the DVD9. I mean in a year or so the games will be in the 10-11GB range normally.And they would have to put it on 2 CD's.

THose idiots

Dude that's just soooo not true. Pure FUD.

There are only 1-2 games that COULD use over 8.2G on a disc, and they aren't going to be out for 2 years or so (Elder Scrolls for one). 99% work fine on DVD, and the average game uses less than 4GB of space ANYWAY.

(Why does this particular myth keep popping up? Sony FUD?)

1620.12.2007 1:40

GTA4 Extra content for 360 will not be for the PS3, sorry fanboys.

There were 2 different expansion-like installments available for the 360 sometime in 2008, now with this recent one there will be a third download-able installment. All exclusive to 360. M$ played their cards right on this one, they wanted a better version then the one offered on the PS3. That might have been part of their 50 million deal.

1720.12.2007 1:40

Quote:
Originally posted by xXxBG:
Well thats like one of the MAIN reasons 360 Sucks, is the DVD9. I mean in a year or so the games will be in the 10-11GB range normally.And they would have to put it on 2 CD's.

THose idiots

Dude that's just soooo not true. Pure FUD.

There are only 1-2 games that COULD use over 8.2G on a disc, and they aren't going to be out for 2 years or so (Elder Scrolls for one). 99% work fine on DVD, and the average game uses less than 4GB of space ANYWAY.

(Why does this particular myth keep popping up? Sony FUD?)


It is easier to put a "whole" game on a BR disc than trim it down to 10-13 GB compressed in a DVD9, for now with the PS3 having poor optimizations the PS3 is no better than the 360 in most respects you might not have to load multi discs but but in the end theres lil diff in the short term.

In the next 2-3 years as games get bigger the 360 will have more issues to overcome and the PS3 will have less.

IMO the PS3 is over priced and under preforming the 360 is still a easy bake oven that eats discs, in the next 8 months the GPU will be replaced with a 65NM unit and in 15-25 months their might be a internal HDVD drive it handled right could give the 360 line a boost of 4 more years.

If I can tag a broken "unopened" PS3 for 200-250 I will they are still under warranty by Sony it will only be 50-100$(shiping/repair) to have it fixed by them or get a 80$ lens for it (sad the fat model PS2 lens are 50$ LOL) still I don't trust the 360 hardware much which is a shame its a nice system..

1820.12.2007 1:45

Originally posted by chubbyInc:
GTA4 Extra content for 360 will not be for the PS3, sorry fanboys.

There were 2 different expansion-like installments available for the 360 sometime in 2008, now with this recent one there will be a third download-able installment. All exclusive to 360. M$ played their cards right on this one, they wanted a better version then the one offered on the PS3. That might have been part of their 50 million deal.
Exclusive content is only exclusive for the time of the contract, MS could pay them for it till 010 but most likely one will be seeing "like" or the same content on the 360 roll over to the PS3 in 12-22 months, its the nature of the beast.

In the end the PUB wins getting more money which is only bad if the PUB sucks...and 2K is not to sucky....

1920.12.2007 1:48

this isn't anything relatively new, but surely most gamers were probably unaware. back in the day when Peter MORON, i mean MOORE was with microsoft, during a press conference he unveiled a GTA tattoo on his arm and mentioned the 360 was getting exclusive content. actually he may have even gone so far to say the 360 was getting a timed exclusive for GTA IV, but that didn't happen. here is the link, most of this was quite a few months ago.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/highway-robbery...sive-269442.php

microsoft paid for it, good for 360 owners but naturally there is a price to pay. apparently no one will see this content till atleast a year later, give'r take. could be less than a year. lets hope its the later, as most gamers i don't believe play a game continuously for a year. games usually die down after the first month or so and become old goods, atleast that is how i am. couldn't even tell you the last time i played resistance. wonder how much this content will cost or if it'll be free???

as far as the game looking "TERRIFIC," i saw the latest trailer and didn't think the graphics were anything to write home about. just my opinion. yes i do plan on buying the game.

FYI, ps3 users will also be on the receiving end of exclusive content.

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There are only 1-2 games that COULD use over 8.2G on a disc, and they aren't going to be out for 2 years or so (Elder Scrolls for one). 99% work fine on DVD, and the average game uses less than 4GB of space ANYWAY.
actually it could very well be within a year that you'll see a game break the boundaries of DVD9 and even 8.2G as you mentioned. MGS4 i think is going to be a fairly large and diverse game. we'll see.
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2020.12.2007 1:54

Originally posted by hade:
this isn't anything relatively new, but surely most gamers were probably unaware. back in the day when Peter MORON, i mean MOORE was with microsoft, during a press conference he unveiled a GTA tattoo on his arm and mentioned the 360 was getting exclusive content. actually he may have even gone so far to say the 360 was getting a timed exclusive for GTA IV, but that didn't happen. here is the link, most of this was quite a few months ago.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/highway-robbery...sive-269442.php

microsoft paid for it, good for 360 owners but naturally there is a price to pay. apparently no one will see this content till atleast a year later, give'r take. could be less than a year. lets hope its the later, as most gamers i don't believe play a game continuously for a year. games usually die down after the first month or so and become old goods, atleast that is how i am. couldn't even tell you the last time i played resistance. wonder how much this content will cost or if it'll be free???

as far as the game looking "TERRIFIC," i saw the latest trailer and didn't think the graphics were anything to write home about. just my opinion.

FYI, ps3 users will also be on the receiving end of exclusive content.
Ya its nice to have it soemtime but over all a well polished and finished game is more imporant...I wonder when they will start selling thos....
:P

2120.12.2007 2:32

Has already been denied by Rockstar (think I saw this before I saw the actual article here) http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option...d=8398&Itemid=2

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A Rockstar rep told Next-Gen Wednesday that the content in question is merely the second of the two previously announced pieces of episodic content making their way to Xbox 360.
Not denied as such, someone just got confused with the second of the 2 DLC packs that they already have a contract with MS for.

Thats not to say that there isnt going to be more DLC for either console, 2009 is a fair way away yet.
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2220.12.2007 3:03

wow I feel like such a n00b, I did not know PS3 games were on BD.
I thought they were on DVD9 as well.
How much of the actual disk space is used?anyone got links to a site site with the stats?

2320.12.2007 3:08

actual diskspace for multiplatform games is minimal. insomniac (exclusive) did say however Resistance FOM was something like 22gigs.

2420.12.2007 9:41
Globe08
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Originally posted by xXxBG:
Just shows u how scared they are of the competition. And Roll out the big dough for some extra protection!!!!!!!!!!!
shows they want the best possible game when it comes to a mega-title such as the gta franchise and their paying out the pockets in order try and sell more 360's and more 360 versions of the new gta.I have no problem with it and im sure take-two who has been having financial woes sure appreciated the 50 million for 2 episodes, help grease the wheels on a nice working relationship.jealousy will get u nowhere...a lot of ps3 titles are mere crappy ports of what the 360 gets...gta,madden 08,ncca football 08

2520.12.2007 9:56

This story is wrong as stated before , the second episode has been pushed back to 2009

2620.12.2007 9:57
Globe08
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Are we that fat and lazy of a species that the mere thought of potentially having to get up and change a game disc is so frightning and inconvenient thus making a console better than another?

2720.12.2007 11:10

AND?

2820.12.2007 11:52

Originally posted by Globe08:
Are we that fat and lazy of a species that the mere thought of potentially having to get up and change a game disc is so frightning and inconvenient thus making a console better than another?
More discs means more clutter. If every game in my collection required 2 discs, I wouldn't have a place to sleep.
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...and lazy

2920.12.2007 12:30

Quote:
Originally posted by Globe08:
Are we that fat and lazy of a species that the mere thought of potentially having to get up and change a game disc is so frightning and inconvenient thus making a console better than another?
More discs means more clutter. If every game in my collection required 2 discs, I wouldn't have a place to sleep.
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...and lazy
You do realise that dual DVD cases that are the same size as single cases exist, right?

3020.12.2007 12:49

All of you are bickering over "in 2-3 years... yada yada will happen." Well, I bet that "yada yada" will be all new consoles, considering the original Xbox and GameCube only had about a 5 year life, and 360 is already entering year 3...

3120.12.2007 13:07

A game needing more than one disc isn't only inconvenient it adds more risk to the equation. I take really good care of my discs; despite this I can still remember a number of psx and pc games that became unplayable due to damage to a single disc out of the set.

3220.12.2007 13:25

Originally posted by SProdigy:
All of you are bickering over "in 2-3 years... yada yada will happen." Well, I bet that "yada yada" will be all new consoles, considering the original Xbox and GameCube only had about a 5 year life, and 360 is already entering year 3...
I doubt sony has the money to launch a new console, and believe it or not the 360 dose have enough power to take it into 014 with HDVD gaming.

Of coarse if the 360 loses a lot of publishers to sony in the next 3-4 years it would be poiuntless to propup the 360.

So i guess the PS3 is dead since its going to take it 1-2 years to regain brand position, well the 7thgen is over I shall wait for the 8th.... :P

LOL


redux79
never treated mew games that badly.
but ya multi disc games are a btch.

Originally posted by hade:
actual diskspace for multiplatform games is minimal. insomniac (exclusive) did say however Resistance FOM was something like 22gigs.
with 8-10 GB of filler data to place the real data in the right palces for better loading times..... its a known early PS3 issue however newer games are more optimized in loading time so they don't have to use a lot of filler.

3320.12.2007 15:05

I just got my 360 today. Good news

3420.12.2007 20:21

Originally posted by mododaz:
I just got my 360 today. Good news

good choice dude, xbox360 roks. Especially with xbox live.

all this talking about games not fitting on 360 disks is bull, i mean comon so far games have fit on them, including some of the best: halo3, assasins creed, gears of war, oblivion, and soon to be gta4. Microsoft just paid alot of money and thats why theyre gettin more exclusive content. Who knows maybe in the next 3 years, like that one guy said, theyre release another console. Plus why would a game need 30gb of memory, in this case blue ray discs, dvd-9 is just fine.

3520.12.2007 20:31

Quote:
Originally posted by mododaz:
I just got my 360 today. Good news

good choice dude, xbox360 roks. Especially with xbox live.

all this talking about games not fitting on 360 disks is bull, i mean comon so far games have fit on them, including some of the best: halo3, assasins creed, gears of war, oblivion, and soon to be gta4. Microsoft just paid alot of money and thats why theyre gettin more exclusive content. Who knows maybe in the next 3 years, like that one guy said, theyre release another console. Plus why would a game need 30gb of memory, in this case blue ray discs, dvd-9 is just fine.
Halo 3 is too short and unfinished to be a 50$ game, the rest are on the PC, plus AS is on the PS3, the 360 is not as "great" as it once was at least tis ahrdware is getting alil better.

also BR games use 25GB discs not 50GB discs, 25 is more than enough for most titles, altho PGR did use more than 15GB of non filer data and MGS4 will use almost 30GB by some reports, but still for most SP games DVD9 is good enough.

3620.12.2007 21:29

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by mododaz:
I just got my 360 today. Good news

good choice dude, xbox360 roks. Especially with xbox live.

all this talking about games not fitting on 360 disks is bull, i mean comon so far games have fit on them, including some of the best: halo3, assasins creed, gears of war, oblivion, and soon to be gta4. Microsoft just paid alot of money and thats why theyre gettin more exclusive content. Who knows maybe in the next 3 years, like that one guy said, theyre release another console. Plus why would a game need 30gb of memory, in this case blue ray discs, dvd-9 is just fine.

I agree, whats the point of a bluray disc with 25 gb, when dvd9 is good enough. I have xbox live too and it is an amazing online service.
Halo 3 IS worth the money man, I play online a lot and so do other millions of people, I think its a cool game. I prefer playing games on consoles better than on a PC, I also have gears of war and call of duty 4, which are great! all my friends have 360's so I'm satisfied with it.

3721.12.2007 11:34

whats wrong with you guys. dvd9 isnt enough.. what was it PGR4.. they couldnt fit day and night on a DVD9.. so they took it out completely because it couldnt fit on the xbox... and check the sizes of BD ps3 rips.

MotorStorm EUR - 15 GB
Resistance FOM - 22 GB
Formula One Championship Edition EUR - 12 GB
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 11 GB

games are breaking DVD9

3821.12.2007 12:57

This debate about disc size is over...has anyone bought/played the shivering isles add on for the 360? if so then you will realise that it downloads the whole disc of data to your 360 hard drive.Where is the problem? it also seems to load and handle a bit better as well :)

And the games which IXFACTOR mentioned are all ps3 games,which lets face it, programmers have a nightmare programming code for the ps3 because it cant handle simple graphics engines and has to go all over the shop to output a simple fps which is just above ps2 standard.
Ps3 will be dead within a year, they have lost too much money, and now all of the exclusives are coming to the 360 it seems there are less and less reasons to own a blueray player that dabbles in gaming. sorry but they had their moment of glory with ps2 which was awesome for the time it reigned.ps3 is a jack of all trades..but a master of none!

3921.12.2007 13:22

Originally posted by lxfactor:
whats wrong with you guys. dvd9 isnt enough.. what was it PGR4.. they couldnt fit day and night on a DVD9.. so they took it out completely because it couldnt fit on the xbox... and check the sizes of BD ps3 rips.

MotorStorm EUR - 15 GB
Resistance FOM - 22 GB
Formula One Championship Edition EUR - 12 GB
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 11 GB

games are breaking DVD9
And some have 2-6GB of filler data....altho PGR is the first 20ishGB game to not use filler and the 360 version is missing day/night changes, size is a issue yes but its going to be 2 more years before its systemic.


Originally posted by torrne666:
This debate about disc size is over...has anyone bought/played the shivering isles add on for the 360? if so then you will realise that it downloads the whole disc of data to your 360 hard drive.Where is the problem? it also seems to load and handle a bit better as well :)

And the games which IXFACTOR mentioned are all ps3 games,which lets face it, programmers have a nightmare programming code for the ps3 because it cant handle simple graphics engines and has to go all over the shop to output a simple fps which is just above ps2 standard.
Ps3 will be dead within a year, they have lost too much money, and now all of the exclusives are coming to the 360 it seems there are less and less reasons to own a blueray player that dabbles in gaming. sorry but they had their moment of glory with ps2 which was awesome for the time it reigned.ps3 is a jack of all trades..but a master of none!
Completely shortsighted statement, what the 360 lacks the PS3 has and vice versa, the PS3 lacks optimization and devs the 360 has them, however the 360 is havign space issues with some games that will only get worse in time and the HD caching system it uses is poorly built to handle it with disc data in some instances making a game crash lock up and freeze.

Also the 360 has a ton of hardware issues that MS are fixing one at a time when they revise the gdamn hardware the PS3 is costly but is built better and the 60GB unit the "real" PS3 is only 300-400$ and a better buy currently than the 360 and any other PS3 unit, when the 360 gets the new GPU chip to go with the 65nm CPU chip they put in months ago it will be worth 300, if they put the 120GB HDD in the premium or the HDVD in the elite with the new chips and fixes 400-500 is what it would be worth.


What I am getting at both consoles are not really worth more than 300$ at this point and time and they are not going anywhere in the next 3-5 years however the 360 is already showing its age, as the PS3 gets better devs will shift to it and outside of 3 years the 360 will be in the position the PS3 is in.

4021.12.2007 13:44

360 DVD9 disc size is very much a issue & not Myth.Microsoft knows that this is the reason you see them pushing alot of major titles out on the market asap.Why do you guys think UT3 didn't come to the 360 same time as PS3 because the game is so big that Epic will be cutting out a few levels.

Quote:
Epic president Mark Rein said on Tuesday that Unreal Tournament 3 for Xbox 360 will likely have less game content than its PS3 counterpart due to Microsoft's limiting disc size.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129288


Also that little dirty secret Microsoft is keeping from the consumers that in the Future all 360 is going to require HD in order to play games.So that mean if you got a 360 without a HD your screwed by Microsoft again.

Quote:
Enthusiast site Xbox Family reports that Microsoft will require a hard drive for certain Xbox 360 games due to the limiting size of 9 GB DVDs and unnecessary load times.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127148


I wouldn't take a 360 if it was given to me it was a rushed console.RROD & Limited DVD9 space i think i will pass.
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4121.12.2007 13:58

Originally posted by NexGen76:
360 DVD9 disc size is very much a issue & not Myth.Microsoft knows that this is the reason you see them pushing alot of major titles out on the market asap.Why do you guys think UT3 didn't come to the 360 same time as PS3 because the game is so big that Epic will be cutting out a few levels.

Quote:
Epic president Mark Rein said on Tuesday that Unreal Tournament 3 for Xbox 360 will likely have less game content than its PS3 counterpart due to Microsoft's limiting disc size.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129288


Also that little dirty secret Microsoft is keeping from the consumers that in the Future all 360 is going to require HD in order to play games.So that mean if you got a 360 without a HD your screwed by Microsoft again.

Quote:
Enthusiast site Xbox Family reports that Microsoft will require a hard drive for certain Xbox 360 games due to the limiting size of 9 GB DVDs and unnecessary load times.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127148


I wouldn't take a 360 if it was given to me it was a rushed console.RROD & Limited DVD9 space i think i will pass.
God you are like some with the PS3 who spout nonsense...all 360 games are made to work WITHOUT a HDD, only a few games really require it to function, DVD9 is not a real issue right now but will be in time.

And don't start on load times..... shall I bring up filler data to help with load time issues on the PS3, the PS3 is still unoptimized in comparasion.

I will agree the 360 was rushed and its hardware is not the best in stability but even that will be fixed by the end of next year and soemtime in 09/010 they might put a HDVD in all units making way for HDVD 360 gaming.

Currently a real PS3 the 60GB unit is about 300-400$ and a better value than the current 360 offerings once the 360 gets "fixed" it will be the same or better value than the current 60GB units.
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4221.12.2007 17:13

What I'm curious about is how much space Gears of War took up on a disc for the 360. Because when it was released for the PC, they claim there is an extra 5 hours of play time on it. That would signify to me that something is going on, either Microsoft paid the devs to push it out quick or they didn't have room and wanted to have it in the game so they decided to wait for the PC version.

4321.12.2007 17:14
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by NexGen76:
360 DVD9 disc size is very much a issue & not Myth.Microsoft knows that this is the reason you see them pushing alot of major titles out on the market asap.Why do you guys think UT3 didn't come to the 360 same time as PS3 because the game is so big that Epic will be cutting out a few levels.

Quote:
Epic president Mark Rein said on Tuesday that Unreal Tournament 3 for Xbox 360 will likely have less game content than its PS3 counterpart due to Microsoft's limiting disc size.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=129288


Also that little dirty secret Microsoft is keeping from the consumers that in the Future all 360 is going to require HD in order to play games.So that mean if you got a 360 without a HD your screwed by Microsoft again.

Quote:
Enthusiast site Xbox Family reports that Microsoft will require a hard drive for certain Xbox 360 games due to the limiting size of 9 GB DVDs and unnecessary load times.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127148





















I wouldn't take a 360 if it was given to me it was a rushed console.RROD & Limited DVD9 space i think i will pass.


You sound like a fool a free 360 is a free 360 so if someone give you a 360 take and stop sounding like the C.E.O of sony.i mean really its not that bad and they have some good games now not next year or the year after that.

4427.12.2007 15:21

you all are all noobs. lets REWIND before starting with this generation's game size. On xbox1, people often looked for excess filler data so that their "backup" games would fit on a dvd5. (alot of games took 5 - 6 GB of data on factory pressed dvd9's but turns out a significant portion of the data was trailers and extra content for OTHER GAMES and not the one you wanted to play, as well as dummy files)

also look at God of War 2 for ps2, it fills up the majority of a dvd9, but if you decided to look at the file listings, you'd see MOST of the files were for various resolutions, standard definition or widescreen, as well as extra content, take that stuff out and you have a game that fits comfortably on a dvd5.

now lets look at the "nextgen" titles. The same stuff is happening. Ge t a ps3 disc image and look at the real file listings before saying stupid things. In MOST games, since DVDs have been used as a storage medium, the AUDIO files take up most of the space, then the rendered movies (there are usually less pre-rendered movies than voiceover stuff). Despite boasting Playstation 3's blu-ray medium and processing capabilities , the system's games have alot of pre-rendered movies in a compression that doesn't save much space! High definition mpeg2's are not space efficient, encode that same movie in HD xvid and compare the file size. This is an example of how space is wasted but I've seen this more on Playstation 3 titles (to fill space on the blu-ray disc and make ken kutaragi feel better about his claims) than I have seen on xbox360.

dvd9 is still enough space for most games. and remember the xtreme5.0 firmware for xbox360 with the coming promise of booting xbox360 games off of a dvd5? surprise, thats because alot of "nextgen" titles still fit on dvd5's.

next up is data rate transfer times. BLU-RAY CAN READ DATA FASTER THAN DVD'S CAN. Okay with that said, whats the problem? well PLAYSTATION 3'S MEMORY IS TOO LITTLE AND TOO SLOW TO MAKE USE OF THE FASTER READ TIMES. Playstation 3 has 512mb of memory, which is actually 256mb of XDRAM RAM and 256mb of GRAPHICAL (GDDR3) RAM. THIS IS PLAYSTATION 3'S MAIN DOWNFALL IN PROCESSING POWER, IF YOU WEREN'T SURE. The blu-ray is FAST, the cell processor is FAST, the memory is where most of the data would be stored for processing between being read by the disc and the processor... IT SLOWS THE SYSTEM DOWN. and there isn't enough RAM so then the system either stores data temporarily on the hard drive and read later (A SLOW METHOD OF CACHING DATA) or it swaps data out of RAM as fast as it can. its better if it can just store more data in ram.

The xbox360 on the other hand just has more memory to store things with, but doesn't REQUIRE a hard drive at all, so in some situation it CAN'T cache to the hard drive and has to swap out of memory all the time.

I'm tired of typing actually. but there is more to be said here.

4527.12.2007 15:47

Originally posted by rdxtreme:
you all are all noobs. lets REWIND before starting with this generation's game size. On xbox1, people often looked for excess filler data so that their "backup" games would fit on a dvd5. (alot of games took 5 - 6 GB of data on factory pressed dvd9's but turns out a significant portion of the data was trailers and extra content for OTHER GAMES and not the one you wanted to play, as well as dummy files)

also look at God of War 2 for ps2, it fills up the majority of a dvd9, but if you decided to look at the file listings, you'd see MOST of the files were for various resolutions, standard definition or widescreen, as well as extra content, take that stuff out and you have a game that fits comfortably on a dvd5.

now lets look at the "nextgen" titles. The same stuff is happening. Ge t a ps3 disc image and look at the real file listings before saying stupid things. In MOST games, since DVDs have been used as a storage medium, the AUDIO files take up most of the space, then the rendered movies (there are usually less pre-rendered movies than voiceover stuff). Despite boasting Playstation 3's blu-ray medium and processing capabilities , the system's games have alot of pre-rendered movies in a compression that doesn't save much space! High definition mpeg2's are not space efficient, encode that same movie in HD xvid and compare the file size. This is an example of how space is wasted but I've seen this more on Playstation 3 titles (to fill space on the blu-ray disc and make ken kutaragi feel better about his claims) than I have seen on xbox360.

dvd9 is still enough space for most games. and remember the xtreme5.0 firmware for xbox360 with the coming promise of booting xbox360 games off of a dvd5? surprise, thats because alot of "nextgen" titles still fit on dvd5's.

next up is data rate transfer times. BLU-RAY CAN READ DATA FASTER THAN DVD'S CAN. Okay with that said, whats the problem? well PLAYSTATION 3'S MEMORY IS TOO LITTLE AND TOO SLOW TO MAKE USE OF THE FASTER READ TIMES. Playstation 3 has 512mb of memory, which is actually 256mb of XDRAM RAM and 256mb of GRAPHICAL (GDDR3) RAM. THIS IS PLAYSTATION 3'S MAIN DOWNFALL IN PROCESSING POWER, IF YOU WEREN'T SURE. The blu-ray is FAST, the cell processor is FAST, the memory is where most of the data would be stored for processing between being read by the disc and the processor... IT SLOWS THE SYSTEM DOWN. and there isn't enough RAM so then the system either stores data temporarily on the hard drive and read later (A SLOW METHOD OF CACHING DATA) or it swaps data out of RAM as fast as it can. its better if it can just store more data in ram.

The xbox360 on the other hand just has more memory to store things with, but doesn't REQUIRE a hard drive at all, so in some situation it CAN'T cache to the hard drive and has to swap out of memory all the time.

I'm tired of typing actually. but there is more to be said here.
Hammer all the wanna be "heads" will ya :X
I should keep it in my pants :P

LOL

But you are right they all have issues they are either dealing with or ignoring.

4627.12.2007 17:09

xbox 360 rocks, it beats the ps3 anyday.

4728.12.2007 3:54

Originally posted by Unknown4:
xbox 360 rocks, it beats the ps3 anyday.

useless, immature, and stupid. should be banned forever just for that. sorry that is just dumb.

4828.12.2007 16:35

hahaha!! right....

4928.12.2007 17:33

Originally posted by Unknown4:
hahaha!! right....

well it was immature.....

but then why else are we all here to btch and rant about stuff :P

5028.12.2007 17:47

Just another upgrade.

5130.12.2007 16:31

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Originally posted by Globe08:
Are we that fat and lazy of a species that the mere thought of potentially having to get up and change a game disc is so frightning and inconvenient thus making a console better than another?
More discs means more clutter. If every game in my collection required 2 discs, I wouldn't have a place to sleep.
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...and lazy
You do realise that dual DVD cases that are the same size as single cases exist, right?
Like anybody keeps their discs in the case! lol... especially multi-disc games. I mean, just the other day a mate assumed the halo3 bonus disc was a coaster cos its been there over a month... I dont even remember removing the disc from the case, they just end up on the side

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