they finally gave up.

How sweet it is.

Now all they have to do is stop overcharging for individual songs and offer downloads in a lossless format and maybe I'll think about paying for music again.

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Now all they have to do is stop overcharging for individual songs and offer downloads in a lossless format and maybe I'll think about paying for music again.

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finally they see the light

now they need to stop water marking digital music.

Once it is official, we'll see a golden age of music buying and they'll kick themselves for being so damned stupid as to have listened to lawyers.

Wow, it's kinda hard to believe the rootkit releasing Sony is dropping DRM. At least they finally got smart and dropped it though.

niceeeee

Originally posted by mspurloc:

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Once it is official, we'll see a golden age of music buying and they'll kick themselves for being so damned stupid as to have listened to lawyers.

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Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Now all they have to do is stop overcharging for individual songs and offer downloads in a lossless format and maybe I'll think about paying for music again.

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Most of the music I like is public domain. :P

Originally posted by WierdName:

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Wow, it's kinda hard to believe the rootkit releasing Sony is dropping DRM. At least they finally got smart and dropped it though.

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victory finally , by the way sony what took you so long

Death to DRM!

i dont know what yall complaining about. just go to limewire and get your tracks and shut up. put it on your ipod or burn em to a cd and thats it!

It's not even about time. It's way past time for DRM to dwindle, fade, and become a bad memory.

If DRM is fading away every so slightly. You gotta ask what is next. They will never gave up on this copy protection act that has this major media/record companies undies wedged in their crack. These companies have new fools every day trying to make a name for them selves and company with new ways to screw the general public. The day they truly give up is when we see all cd/dvd across the board being sold for $3 - $8 a pop making it easier to buy and support your favorite artist.

Originally posted by spydah:

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If DRM is fading away every so slightly. You gotta ask what is next. They will never gave up on this copy protection act that has this major media/record companies undies wedged in their crack. These companies have new fools every day trying to make a name for them selves and company with new ways to screw the general public. The day they truly give up is when we see all cd/dvd across the board being sold for $3 - $8 a pop making it easier to buy and support your favorite artist.

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This isn't anything I would be happy to call a victory at the moment. It's nothing more than a strategic chess game with the general public. If the general public as a whole would be considered the king and queen then companies like the Big 4 are set out to cause a distraction to public interest. I would believe that this is one of those distractions and they did nothing more then move their pawn. If we pay attention to some people in the forum who have already called this some kind of victory then we have just fallen to the distraction. We have Sony vs. Toshiba in the Blu Ray vs HD DVD in the format wars and for some strange reason a whole lot of the general public supports Sony and its Blu Ray technology but does not support Sony and what it stands for with the RIAA and the MPAA etc. Next we have Warner who agress to sell non DRM music but announces that by the end of 2008 they will only support the Blu Ray format of movies with Sony. Has anybody paid any attention to this. Can't wait to see whats up their sleeves next.

jove:

Don't mean to be rude but LimeWire?
What are you 14 years old?

Fk LimeWire.. that doesn't even work half the time, and the other half it's loaded with Spyware and Viruses.

Even most of the decent Torrent sites are disappearing too, thanks to idiots like the RIAA and their lawsuit frenzy.

Originally posted by nonoitall:

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Now all they have to do is stop overcharging for individual songs and offer downloads in a lossless format and maybe I'll think about paying for music again.

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Originally posted by mspurloc:

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Once it is official, we'll see a golden age of music buying and they'll kick themselves for being so damned stupid as to have listened to lawyers.

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In my little click of friends I'm usually the one they go to when they have a computer/electronic issue or what not and they have no clue that mp3's they buy off of iTunes (for example) are DRM restricted. But either way this is a right step in the direction of who mp3's should be so finally I give a node to Sony.

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I agree, MP3's are ****... I'd prefer to pay for WMA or AAC files, at least. Lossless is never going to happen, as pointed out here.

step in the right direction for the industry, but they'll probably never take back the market like they want. eventually most of the public will figure out what most of the file-sharing community already knows.

@camaro17
the "artists" the big 4 push onto the market may as well already be filthy rich before their first single drops. by the time their cd hits circuit city they have the money to never work (outside of their recording contract) again. their music's spot on the airwaves has already been paid for and the true musician simply trying to make a living has nowhere to get Real exposure.
/rant

steal this film 2

DRM will have a succesor they are just moving a side for a much more powerful copy-protection scheme.

Originally posted by Leningrad:

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DRM will have a succesor they are just moving a side for a much more powerful copy-protection scheme.

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HDMI + HDCP + DVI
So you have a television that has a digital tuner and is listed as being 1080i compatible. Congratulations! Are you watching HDTV? The answer is "maybe". As it turns out, the companies that make television programs and movies do not trust you and me. In fact, they think that given the chance you will steal from them and that they must protect themselves in any way they can. To this end the High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) specifaction from Intel is a DRM scheme used to ensure that content traveling between HD devices is secure from copying. To connect these HD device you must use digital interconnect cables. Currently there are only two interconnects that can be used: Digital Visual Interface (DVI) or high-definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI). DVI is primarily used to connect digital monitors to computers and HDMI is the standard used for home theater equipment.

What's The Problem?

The problem is that for nearly a decade now electronics manufacturers have been selling televisions that have been advertised as being HD-Ready, HD-Capable, HD-Compatible, etc. Very few of those televisions have either DVI or HDMI and the Federal Communications Commission approved HDCP as a "Digital Output Protection Technology" on August 4th, 2004. To make matters worse the electronics manufacturers are still making non-HDCP compliant devices and are not warning people about this issue. In fact if you look at the computer graphics industry the two leaders are ATI and NVIDIA. As of this writing there was no card from either of these companies that was HDCP ready.

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Great news. A very good step in the right direction.

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The AA's are giving up on DRM cuz basically it's been booty-busted. DRM offerings are basically either ignored or raped like the CSS copy-protection for DVD's. Now it's to digital fingermarks and trying to plug analog holes. How long will their virgin days last?

nobrainer got it right on the head

There are at least 2 vendors that are selling high quality non DRMed music right now. eMusic sells ultra high quality lossy formats 320 BR & VBR extreme. The other I can't remember sells lossless albums for $10.

A large portion of the data in a lossless format is dedicated preserving sounds beyond the human hearing range. It takes 2,000 times the data to preserve a 20 khz note than a 20hz note. Most 20 year olds can barely hear 20 khz note. If they listened to loud music they can't hear the tone at all. As we grow older we can't hear high notes. The average human can only hear about 18khz. Lossless preserves up to about 26khz. 320 BRs and VBR extreme cut out every thing above 20khz. VBR extreme are about half the size of a 320 because it also cuts out sounds you can't hear because they are 'drounded out' by louder sounds. 320 BRs are less than half that of a Flac (the smallest lossless format). Flac files are half the size of an uncompressed file which are about 50 megs for a 3 minute song.

I prefer VBR extremes. What is lost you can't hear so why bother with the extra baggage.

I wonder if Sony is putting the watermarks in their music.

jove, if you are still checking this thread, you will get banned from afterdawn if you continue to suggest the public ought to do something illegal. Using Limewire is not illegal but to suggest persons to download copyrighted material is. Being a newbie gives you some protection but not much.

DVDdoug, your analogy is interesting. However, in the days of the 45 the record companies often made a one time ownership buy out. Maybe the artist would get 10 grand for the rights to the tune. That is why many of the old time artists have no money now. Those tunes have paid for them selves many times over. There is no inflation. There isn't much inflation in the oldies music or any other music except in our own perceptions. I doubt that even in 1990 a music company would sign a contract raising the amount an artist would get each year. Therefore the Media Mafia could afford 4 for a dollar and still make probably keep more than 80 cents of the dollar. eMusic sells HQ music with no DRMs for 4 per dollar and are not going broke. In fact they are doing fantasticly well. It is probably that success that is making even Sony re-conceder. The problem with eMusic is the biggest artest they have a contract with is Johnny Cash. You need to shop through no names to find good stuff.

Lime Wire should be called Virus Wire. That is not safe sailing, although there are good no cost CC (Creative Commons) & CL (Copy Left) tracks to be had there. To get those tracks (most are offered free) I use aMule/eMule because the main websites can be for some reason slower than a sloth with quicktrot!
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Info about alternative Copyright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
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Public site with downloadable media (murderously slow in my area:S )
http://www.archive.org/index.php