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CES 2008: Blu-ray camp is already waving signs of victory

Written by Dave Horvath @ 08 Jan 2008 12:24 User comments (33)

CES 2008: Blu-ray camp is already waving signs of victory In an all out stalemate of a format war thats been waging for the past few years, it appears that with the recent developments from the HD-DVD camp, supporters of Blu-ray are already claiming their victory in this war is upon them. Touting the shift in support from Warner Brothers as well as talks of Paramount jumping ship, Blu-ray camp believes this will be the tipping point at which HD-DVD sinks into oblivion.
Andy Parsons of the Blu-ray Disc Association has already stated, "It's much clearer to consumers now which of the formats is going to prevail." He added at the CES 2008 show that, "We still have a little bit more work to do before we can say the format war is over." Howard Stringer, chief executive of Sony isn't so quick to jump on the victory bandwagon. He states that his victory banners will fly when the time is right.

In North America, Blu-ray has outsold HD-DVD by a margin of 2-to-1. HD-DVD camp now appears to only have a foothold on Universal Pictures. Since the forced cancellation of their CES appearance, its unclear what the future of the HD-DVD format will be.

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33 user comments

18.1.2008 12:51
nobrainer
Inactive

Lets clear this quote up a little!

Quote:
Andy Parsons of the Blu-ray Disc Association has already stated, "It's much clearer to MPAA now which of the formats is going to prevail."

He added at the CES 2008 show that, "We still have a little bit of anti consumer DRM work to do before we can say the format war is over as its a small step up from DVD but the $$ gain is huge as ppl are stupid enough to purchase it. lmao"

Howard Stringer, chief executive of Sony isn't so quick to jump on the victory bandwagon. He states that his victory banners will fly when 1 licence per hardware per user is achieved through the rhetoric of our lobbyists!

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 08 Jan 2008 @ 12:53

28.1.2008 12:55

I've never really cared one way or the other which format triumphs. Mostly, i've enjoyed the fact that competition has helped keep prices a little lower.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 08 Jan 2008 @ 12:57

38.1.2008 13:03

Quote:
Lets clear this quote up a little!

Quote:
Andy Parsons of the Blu-ray Disc Association has already stated, "It's much clearer to MPAA now which of the formats is going to prevail."

He added at the CES 2008 show that, "We still have a little bit of anti consumer DRM work to do before we can say the format war is over as its a small step up from DVD but the $$ gain is huge as ppl are stupid enough to purchase it. lmao"

Howard Stringer, chief executive of Sony isn't so quick to jump on the victory bandwagon. He states that his victory banners will fly when 1 licence per hardware per user is achieved through the rhetoric of our lobbyists!


Fanboy much? I'm just glad that this stalemate is starting to end, the confusion caused by the two similar but opposing formats must be immense for new consumers looking into the HD market.

48.1.2008 13:31

Quote:
Quote:
Lets clear this quote up a little!

Quote:
Andy Parsons of the Blu-ray Disc Association has already stated, "It's much clearer to MPAA now which of the formats is going to prevail."

He added at the CES 2008 show that, "We still have a little bit of anti consumer DRM work to do before we can say the format war is over as its a small step up from DVD but the $$ gain is huge as ppl are stupid enough to purchase it. lmao"

Howard Stringer, chief executive of Sony isn't so quick to jump on the victory bandwagon. He states that his victory banners will fly when 1 licence per hardware per user is achieved through the rhetoric of our lobbyists!


Fanboy much? I'm just glad that this stalemate is starting to end, the confusion caused by the two similar but opposing formats must be immense for new consumers looking into the HD market.
Ya that guy is balls deep in hd-dvd ooze...by his posts lately hes gagging pretty bad at the situation.

58.1.2008 13:42
nobrainer
Inactive

@ canuckerz & Tecbot

i do not want either format as they both contain HDCP (HDMI DRM) that dictates what hardware you can use with any HD source, because if your HD screen is not hobbled with DRM you do not get any picture what so ever and that £2000 you spent last year is down the drain, and the main companies behind this anti consumer move is Sony, Disney and Fox!


sony high points! XCP RootKit, ARccOS, secuROM, BD+, AACS (yes sony are part of AACS LA too!), ATRAC, PSN Warhawk Licence (A Taste of things to come), Digital CD downloads that cost more than the CD, Constant lies and Deceit(i suppose most companies do this!), Price Fixing (www.lik-sang.com), They spearhead the MPAA and RIAA!

Sony anti-customer technology roundup and time-line From Boin Boing Click ME!


personally i love this little patent by sony! New Sony lockware prevents selling or loaning of games: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/12/new-sony-lockware-pr.html


DRM (on music) is dead. Long live DRM (on video)!

Originally posted by ars link above:
Ian Rogers began by making the pronouncement that DRM is done when it comes to music. "When it comes to music, we're set," he said. "Next question: do we have to go through all of this nonsense with video?" The answer, unfortunately, appears to be a resounding yes. "I think DRM in video is robust and healthy, and we'll be stuck with it for a long time," said von Lohmann, who then brought up a point we've touched upon repeated here at Ars over the years. "[DRM] is not about piracy. AACS has been broken and stayed broken through 2007," explained von Lohmann. "It's about controlling competition and eliminating disruptive innovation. If you want to play my content, I get to tell you how to build your player."

Surprisingly, Jonathan Lee of Media Defender agreed. "DRM is not an antipiracy tool," he said. "What we've seen in P2P networks is that DRM hasn't slowed it down at all. It just takes one person to crack it and it spreads virally... DRM and lawsuits really haven't changed the population, throughput, or bandwidth that is being consumed."

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 08 Jan 2008 @ 14:25

68.1.2008 14:04

BLUE RAY GANSTA CRIPS! Throw youre sighns up in the air!!!! BLUE RAY FOR LIFE HOMIES-WHUT!

78.1.2008 14:06

Many media corporations want blu-ray to succeed because it's far more limiting to the end user than HD-DVD. IMHO we're being sold down the river, because HD-DVD has more power to evolve than blu-ray, particularly with how much data we'll be able to fit onto a disc and the future-proofing of the pressing equipment available for each format.

In the end, as far as I am concerned, Sony and their fold are not interested in finding the best format, but in creating the most hack-resistant format they can in an attempt to gain back some of the trade that has been lost from DVD sales falling.

Another thing... I think that far too much emphasis has been placed on the CES deciding the format war. There is plenty of time for either format to win if that is what is going to happen. We could well see both formats for a while as yet... at least until something else comes along.

88.1.2008 14:10

Originally posted by iamgq:
BLUE RAY GANSTA CRIPS! Throw youre sighns up in the air!!!! BLUE RAY FOR LIFE HOMIES-WHUT!
lol. blu ray crippin

98.1.2008 14:26
goodswipe
Inactive

@ simpsim1

I totally understand what your saying about Blu-Ray limiting users as to what they can do with there product and Sony's actual plans behind all this but, if there aren't any BIG media companies still backing HD-DVD, in turn there will not be as many movies to choose from which is the main selling point for each format. So there's Universal and Paramount still backing HD-DVD as of now, what happens if they decide to jump ship? How can HD-DVD recover from this in your opinion?

BTW, I back HD-DVD all the way

108.1.2008 14:35

I' ll stick to normal dvd (and save the money). It reminds me older times when I was in quest for the best audio equipment. When I brought home the items I discovered that I don't live in an unechoich chamber and except the loudspeakers there were two armed chairs in front of my coach. Trust the elders!

118.1.2008 15:31

Originally posted by oracle:
I' ll stick to normal dvd (and save the money). It reminds me older times when I was in quest for the best audio equipment. When I brought home the items I discovered that I don't live in an unechoich chamber and except the loudspeakers there were two armed chairs in front of my coach. Trust the elders!
I agree. I will stick to my upscaling DVD player, it's good enough for me. It doesn't bother me that I can't see the tiny hairs on the bodies from 300. All these 'HD' movies costs way too much. I will wait for 2 years when the prices go down, there is 1 winner, and I have the ability to rip the 'HD' movies for my backups. Other than that I don't want another obsolete hardware sitting next to my laser disc player.

128.1.2008 15:36

@goodswipe.

My interest in HD-DVD is not just in HD movies, but also in it's other capabilities, such as data storage. A 50GB TL format disk (If it ever comes off) will hold an awful lot of backup files for example. Unfortunately, as it is movie companies mainly finacing developement, I fear that we're going to be stuck with a format that is not much use, other than for movies or console games. After all, a lot of Movie corporations would love to get us away from the PC and into a realm of media that they can have more control over.

As for your question, one can only hope that with further developement of the HD-DVD format, that some of these errant companies might be tempted back into the fold. The HD-DVD camp are going to have to seriously raise their game somewhat both in their developement and their marketing departments if they don't want to be frozen out for ever. I suspect that the silence from the camp at the moment means that they are regrouping and looking at their options. I really don't expect them to roll over and die yet (unless everyone stops backing them and lets just hope that doesn't happen).

138.1.2008 15:48

Initially I was ambivalent as to what format ended up winning this ridiculous battle.


I hoped the winner would be HD-DVD because Sony is evil and will stop at nothing to severely limit what we can do with media that we purchase. I also chose it due to it being supported by the DVD forum and the price difference was substantial enough. The combo format was appealing because I could watch the HD version and I could also loan the disk to friends or family and they could watch the SD side.

How many people have DVD players in the bedroom, kids room, etc? So now you either buy a blu-ray version and a SD version or you can only watch your discs in one room. Or you could always drop another 3-5 hundred on each additional player.

Now it appears that Sony will get their wish and HD-DVD may very well die. All these consumers who were gushing over blu ray will gradually become aware of just how evil Sony really is when they find features crippled, some discs unwatchable and no alternative because competition is non-existent.

What are the chances Sony will welcome HD supporters into the fold by issuing some sort of credit by exchanging HD-DVDs in for blu ray counterparts?

I'd say the chances are slim to none.

Sadly the general public failed on this one. Give Sony credit though, they marketed Blu ray better than the other camp did HD-DVD and the public was sucked in.

Oh well, people will just have to live with the consequences of their decisions.

148.1.2008 16:06
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by BAMFstang:

I hoped the winner would be HD-DVD because Sony is evil and will stop at nothing to severely limit what we can do with media that we purchase.
Ya and Micro$oft is The Holy One.

158.1.2008 18:50
hughjars
Inactive

Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P

168.1.2008 19:16
v965hdss
Inactive

Anything microsoft backs must be crap, obviously they saw the dollar sign as thats all there are interested in lolly. Do hope MS get shafted with there choice.


"corporate america sucks again"

178.1.2008 19:22
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by hughjars:
Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P
Ya but this time around, they actually kinda like... Winners :S

Like, these are big changes.

188.1.2008 19:34
saltynuts
Inactive

Quote:
Originally posted by hughjars:
Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P
Ya but this time around, they actually kinda like... Winners :S

Like, these are big changes.





Do you work for sony?

198.1.2008 20:06
vinny13
Inactive

[

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by hughjars:
Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P
Ya but this time around, they actually kinda like... Winners :S

Like, these are big changes.





Do you work for sony?

1. How the hell does that make you think I work for Sony?

2. I'm 14. Where the hell am I gonna get a job like that?

What a stupid question.
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208.1.2008 20:08

Originally posted by hughjars:
Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P
Look, I support HD DVD (2 players, 75 movies) as much as the next guy but don't you think the landscape has changed dramatically since last Friday?

218.1.2008 20:38
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by vinny13:
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Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by hughjars:
Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P
Ya but this time around, they actually kinda like... Winners :S

Like, these are big changes.





Do you work for sony?

1. How the hell does that make you think I work for Sony?

2. I'm 14. Where the hell am I gonna get a job like that?

What a stupid question.





Almost forgot it's common knowlege that your 14 my bad.

228.1.2008 22:55
camaro17
Inactive

Originally posted by saltynuts:
Almost forgot it's common knowlege that your 14 my bad.

lol that hilarious what a retard eh?

But he did pick the right format. i support blu-ray 100%, you may hav noticed lol.

Peace

239.1.2008 8:28

Quote:
Originally posted by hughjars:
Phew!

I was worried there for a moment, seriously.

But now that the Blu-ray gang have pronounced themselves winners
(again.....is this the 23rd or 24th time in the last 2 years?)
I am feeling much better about HD DVD's prospects.

:P
Look, I support HD DVD (2 players, 75 movies) as much as the next guy but don't you think the landscape has changed dramatically since last Friday?
of course not he works for the hd dvd group, most likely toshiba if his past posts are anything to go by. hes as blind a fanboy as they come

249.1.2008 9:15

My word, how these topics degenerate into a slanging match so quickly!

Obviously the mental age of the majority of this thread's posters is well below 13 judging by all the "Fanboy" stuff.

Yes I do think that technically, HD-DVD offers the most benefit to the public, both in terms of diversity of use and in adaptability for the future. Unfortunately I fear, with the major media corps providing funding for developement of new delivery media, we'll never get the product that benefits the public, only the product that befits the company. Take a look at some other formats in the past for example. Betamax was far superior in quality to VHS, but "They" were worried about people being able to make good quality copies too easily, so they stuck with VHS. Likewise with DAT (Although the japanese kept on with it for a while), the format was thrown out because of it's ability to reproduce exact copies.

Blu-ray offers more control to the industry. So it's probably likely that the industry will plump for blu-ray eventually. It's a shame that the better format will probably lose out. Unless as I said before, HD-DVD can raise their game enough to do something about that.

259.1.2008 12:41

how is hd dvd superior? maybe in the online content it offers now, but thats an easy fix with a firmware update just like the ps3 had recently(which accounts for most high def players). other than that if anything companies were going for hd dvd just as much because it was cheaper to produce at the time and still is, hdmi has security as well but of course it can be bypassed, just like blu ray will be also.

so at the end of the day it boils down to space, and blu ray has the space for the uncompressed audio, etc, etc, they already use dual layers now. id say hd dvd is superior in the extra features now but blu ray is superior in the actual movies(wasnt at beginning) but the extra features will come for blu ray, we dont know if 50gb hd dvds will ever become a reality especially now...

269.1.2008 13:14

Well, i still see how can hd-dvd hold up, for instance, there is no way they´re selling blu-ray burners and media since the media MAFIA is holding it, so i bet that if HD-DVD know thwy´re game theyre flodding the pc market with burners and media, that would be hilarious and the best payback to get Warner and the others for theyr betrayal, just imagine this, john doe buying the next great blu-ray movie, ripping it (because seriously anyone thinking theyre not gonna be able to crack this one, is a joke, theres no such thing as uncrackable) and then uploading to the internet and floding china market in HD-DVD format hahahahaha, it would be like format war forever you would get HD-DVD players from korea, and in the end HD-DVD will become also the number 1 choice for file backup since is going to dominate this market

279.1.2008 13:37

I for one am gladd that regular dvd will still be around for awhile longer, Have you taken a look at a Hi Def movie ,the upclose look is a little scary I much rather remember the actress's without the bigger than real upclose look.

bean55

289.1.2008 20:45

The power has always been with the movie studios and yes blu-ray is going to win this due to the movie studios and where they choose to invest their funds. I was wrong i thought that Microsoft would have the last laugh but it seems i was wrong well all in all a good result :)

2912.1.2008 0:09

It would seem Blu ray and it's backers can smell blood in the water and they are pushing their advantage. All the PS3 commercials lately have been pushing the blu ray part of the PS3 after months of it pushing games and there have been numerous commercials saying stuff like "You the consumer have spoken and you chose blu ray." I know there are a lot of Sony haters here on Afterdawn, but one thing you can say about Sony is they know how to finish, and that is what they are out to do right now.

3012.1.2008 6:15
nobrainer
Inactive

Originally posted by borhan9:
The power has always been with the movie studios and yes blu-ray is going to win this due to the movie studios and where they choose to invest their funds. I was wrong i thought that Microsoft would have the last laugh but it seems i was wrong well all in all a good result :)
The people that will choose the winner of the "war" is not the studios, its the consumers and the recent survey conducted by the NPD suggests that ppl are happy with DVD's for a number of reasons are do not care about Hi-Def.

NPD Group reports on HD disc format adoption

Originally posted by hyperlink above:


The NPD Group released results from a HDTV owner survey that showed even though 52% of respondents were aware that HD disc players were available, only 11% planned on buying one in the next six months. It turns out that most people are happy with their standard DVD players and unhappy with the price of the HD units (62% waiting for prices to fall). Even though respondents were more aware of HD DVD than Blu-ray (29% vs. 20%), it's not a glowing outcome for fewer than 1-in-3 owners of HDTV's to not know about these formats by name.

Remember the last Hi-Def War sony stated they won! Toshiba’s "DVD-Audio" vs Sony’s "Super Audio CD" but ppl thought cd's were good enough!
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3112.1.2008 10:19
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by saltynuts:


Almost forgot it's common knowlege that your 14 my bad.
Lol that coming from a guy that calls himself saltynuts :P
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3212.1.2008 12:15
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by vinny13:
Originally posted by saltynuts:


Almost forgot it's common knowlege that your 14 my bad.
Lol that coming from a guy that calls himself saltynuts :P



Do yourself a favor go play with some of your little pre teen friends.and leave me alone i have no time for a back and forth with a child.

3312.1.2008 12:24
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by saltynuts:
Originally posted by vinny13:
Originally posted by saltynuts:


Almost forgot it's common knowlege that your 14 my bad.
Lol that coming from a guy that calls himself saltynuts :P



Do yourself a favor go play with some of your little pre teen friends.and leave me alone i have no time for a back and forth with a child.
Hey you too :)

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