CES 2008: Sony Japan to drop 20GB and 60GB PS3 models

SO dies the real PS3.......

I always thought BWC was a big deal and I thought it was stupid to buy a 40GB PS3, and I actually ended up getting a 60GB. Now that I have it, I could really care less. I haven't used it at all. Seriously, it's not that much of an issue. The only games I might ever play again is GTA:SA, GT I and II, and maybe FFXII. Otherwise, I don't really need it at all.

BTW, when the thing FINALLY gets hacked, someone's bound to make an emulator for it so don't get your panties in a not fellas. Get a 40GB and use the extra money you saved towards a bigger HDD.

Originally posted by vinny13:

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I always thought BWC was a big deal and I thought it was stupid to buy a 40GB PS3, and I actually ended up getting a 60GB. Now that I have it, I could really care less. I haven't used it at all. Seriously, it's not that much of an issue. The only games I might ever play again is GTA:SA, GT I and II, and maybe FFXII. Otherwise, I don't really need it at all.

BTW, when the thing FINALLY gets hacked, someone's bound to make an emulator for it so don't get your panties in a not fellas. Get a 40GB and use the extra money you saved towards a bigger HDD.

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How many parallel coders are out there to build it? look at PS2 emulation on the PC and double the time it took them to get to where they are now....., I will be playing PS2 games until I can get PS3 games for 10-20$ a pop.

as for it being hacked that should take 2 or 3 more years...ooo that will abotu the time the PS3 will start shining and games hit the 10-20$ area....oooooo :X

I guess I can wait *L*
Altho if they make a worth while sequel to Medievil I will buy one now :P

Its one of the few games I would care about being released.

I think the whole BWC is still over rated. I know people personally that felt the way you do to some degree Zippy but now after they have purchased the 40gb they dont particularly care about that. It was a concern 5 months ago but not now. Me personally every now and then i get the urge to play something for the PS2 on my PS3 (60GB model) but i dont care about that stuff. Most of those people i know traded in their games to get stuff for the PS3. Its all a matter of personal preference.

Originally posted by spydah:

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I think the whole BWC is still over rated. I know people personally that felt the way you do to some degree Zippy but now after they have purchased the 40gb they dont particularly care about that. It was a concern 5 months ago but not now. Me personally every now and then i get the urge to play something for the PS2 on my PS3 (60GB model) but i dont care about that stuff. Most of those people i know traded in their games to get stuff for the PS3. Its all a matter of personal preference.

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I would not call it over rated I would call it a strong feature to have in the console, I am still collecting and playing Xbox and PS2 games I could care less about new crap its far to costly for the enjoyment it brings.

BWC is a good middle step and if sony didn't dck around with it world wide it would have sold better because people could fall back on it during a game drout, BWC is a strong feature to have even more so if you had a top seller game console.

For me BWC is a option that aims to smash its competition in the shear size of its game libary, really these guys need to start on a premium BWC service its the only way to make BWC better they refuse to respect it because they refuse to see it brings them money.

I'd be happy to pay 10-30 a year for BWC updates, as long as they try and add more features to it, up conversion is nice so is frame rate tooling and save states.

I'm not a PS3 owner hence the reason I am asking this. I use to own a PS2 and it was BWC as you all know but, when I played PS1 games on it, the graphics looked really choppy, was just horrible all around. Does the PS3 do this as well?

Originally posted by goodswipe:

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I'm not a PS3 owner hence the reason I am asking this. I use to own a PS2 and it was BWC as you all know but, when I played PS1 games on it, the graphics looked really choppy, was just horrible all around. Does the PS3 do this as well?

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if you set the PS2 to try and filter the PS1 graphiscs it can look choppy, you can turn that off to make PS1 games look like PS1 games *L*

the PS3 dose aliltle better job at up conversion but I believe it still retains the option to turn it off, if you are looking to get the best out of your PS1 titles emulation for the PSX is near perfect.

Like vinny suggested they are not really goign to pay BWC a lot of attention and tis up to the hackers to finish the job but that will take 3 years easy, the PS3 has a god chance to be more versatile than a modded Xbox with emulation and media services but the biggest herdel is coding for the beast its no alt windose OS, however the linux coders will have their chance to shine.

And finally Japan loses PS2 backwards compatibility too! So only 10 playable games on the ps3 for anyone wanting the new system, or you can w8 until some involving, immersing games are released and the price should drop again by 2010!

PS3/360 = more of the same with better effects!

http://www.dailytech.com/Backwards+Compa...rticle10302.htm

Sony messed up from the beginning of their launch, No one wanted to pay the hefty price, and people still don't. My cousins are game testers and always tell me the latest game gossip. They say that developing for the PS3 is a chore, and they would rather not do a lot of titles for that system. Plus is my area, not very many people are that hot about the PS3, we like the graphics sure, but it's just to expensive to validate buying it.

Originally posted by Shegax :

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Sony messed up from the beginning of their launch, No one wanted to pay the hefty price, and people still don't. My cousins are game testers and always tell me the latest game gossip. They say that developing for the PS3 is a chore, and they would rather not do a lot of titles for that system. Plus is my area, not very many people are that hot about the PS3, we like the graphics sure, but it's just to expensive to validate buying it.

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you can get a ps3 for $399, the exact same price of the 360s pro package at launch. i hope you or anyone you vouche for didn't purchase a pro/premium (w/e it was) for the orginal $399 price as you would just be contradicting yourself.

please don't argue the 360 has a more extensive library and thus you were more willing to pay that price back in the day as if one thinks back to those days, the 360's library was A LOT WORSE than what is now available on the PS3. not to mention pay as you go online gameplay as opposed to free online...

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Originally posted by Shegax :

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Sony messed up from the beginning of their launch, No one wanted to pay the hefty price, and people still don't. My cousins are game testers and always tell me the latest game gossip. They say that developing for the PS3 is a chore, and they would rather not do a lot of titles for that system. Plus is my area, not very many people are that hot about the PS3, we like the graphics sure, but it's just to expensive to validate buying it.

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you can get a ps3 for $399, the exact same price of the 360s pro package at launch. i hope you or anyone you vouche for didn't purchase a pro/premium (w/e it was) for the orginal $399 price as you would just be contradicting yourself.

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Not really the 360 was the only thing out then and the hardware issues where unknown.

Also without proper BWC the 40GB unit is about 100$ more than it should be, frankly they should drop the 40 and put the 80GB at 399..

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please don't argue the 360 has a more extensive library and thus you were more willing to pay that price back in the day as if one thinks back to those days, the 360's library was A LOT WORSE than what is now available on the PS3. not to mention pay as you go online gameplay as opposed to free online...

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But it is a fact the 360 has more games and a better online service thats 4.50 a month, yes the PS3 has free online but without the games and polish to the service itself pointless for the price.


Now with that said looking at price and hardware value I would stipulate that the 60GB unit is the best thing you can buy for 400$, MS has shown you can not trust them on hardware , sadly because of the hardware issues the 360 is over priced by 90$.

Ok, ok I get it, I wasn't arguing about the 360 library, or the different models. All I remember with people over in my area, is that customers here felt betrayed by the hefty price at the beginning. So they decided to wait, and wait. Eventually they wanted a new generation system and opted for the 360, and the WII. At first everyone I know went for the Wii the moment it was released. Weather or not sony keeps changing its models around (offering one modle, then scraping it, then offering a different model.) So In conclusion, what I'm trying to get at it, sony's reputation was hurt from the moment it released it's first model, and that's what people think of when they think of sony.

Originally posted by Shegax:

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Ok, ok I get it, I wasn't arguing about the 360 library, or the different models. All I remember with people over in my area, is that customers here felt betrayed by the hefty price at the beginning. So they decided to wait, and wait. Eventually they wanted a new generation system and opted for the 360, and the WII. At first everyone I know went for the Wii the moment it was released. Weather or not sony keeps changing its models around (offering one modle, then scraping it, then offering a different model.) So In conclusion, what I'm trying to get at it, sony's reputation was hurt from the moment it released it's first model, and that's what people think of when they think of sony.

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No doubt sony shot them selfs in both feet time will tell if they can make or break the PSX brand.

Like Nintendos fall from the number 1 slot the PS3 is a overall minor set back.

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With the recent price drops and all the shuffling of SKUs, the PlayStation 3 seemed like it would never get close to being profitable for Sony. Although still not making a profit on each each system sold, they are getting considerable closer as Sony has announced that production costs on the PS3 have been cut in half.

The generable rule of thumb in the gaming industry is that when a console is first launched, the company is expected to sell it a loss and eventually make up for this loss through exclusive licensing and software that will draw gamers to purchase the system. Although it has been proven to work in the past, the PlayStation 3 just seemed way in over it's head as Sony had gone on record saying that they were losing roughly 200 USD per system sold.

Originally, production costs of the PS3 were around 800 USD when the system first launched, but through different cost cutting maneuvers, Sony has been able to bring down the production cost of the system to a reasonable 400 USD, almost the same price of the newest 40GB model. Some of the cost-cutting moves have included shrinking the chip sizes, re-evaluating parts (like removing the Emotion Engine for the latest 40GB model) and various other design tweaks.

Last week Kaz Hirai expressed to the media that the PlayStation division of Sony, specifically the PS3's division, is expected to turn a profit in 2008 as opposed to the losses experienced in 2007. Thankfully the PSP and even the PS2 have maintained solid sales and the gaming portion of Sony has been staying afloat. Now that production costs are below the retail price, this also allows some breathing space to bring the price down one more time without disrupting profits. Although this price drop may not come soon, it could be expected around the holidays of 2008 when Microsoft and possibly Nintendo could be eyeing a price drop for their respective systems.

Sony has also benefited from Warner Bros. recent defection from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray as investers have raised the value of Sony's stock by 4.1%.

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ps3 prices could be dropping sooner than most think, thus making it more appealing to the masses. as far as sony being damaged i dont think that is the case as the PLAYSTATION BRAND is just as strong as it was a couple years ago. may be stronger. i say that because its not the case that the PS3 sucks, doesnt live up to the playstation standard, or that people simply don't want the system regardless of the price. its simply a little more costly and the big games that helped make the playstation brand what it has become aren't available yet (MGS, DMC, KZ, GTA, RE, GOW, GT, SOCM, FF etc). metalGear,DvlMayCry,Kllzne,GrndTftAut,RsdntEvl,GodfWr,GrnTursm,Socom, FnlFant

im sure you would agree that even yourself, some of your friends, or even the general public probably still have all the intention on purchasing a PS3, once the price is at your/their valued level. sony has not been damaged, and actually if you think back to the ps2 era, sales for that system did not take off till their was a significant price cut. the system has slightly over one year on the market and once some killer apps hit the platform along with a more strategic pricing, sales will surely skyrocket.

Originally posted by hade:

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With the recent price drops and all the shuffling of SKUs, the PlayStation 3 seemed like it would never get close to being profitable for Sony. Although still not making a profit on each each system sold, they are getting considerable closer as Sony has announced that production costs on the PS3 have been cut in half.

The generable rule of thumb in the gaming industry is that when a console is first launched, the company is expected to sell it a loss and eventually make up for this loss through exclusive licensing and software that will draw gamers to purchase the system. Although it has been proven to work in the past, the PlayStation 3 just seemed way in over it's head as Sony had gone on record saying that they were losing roughly 200 USD per system sold.

Originally, production costs of the PS3 were around 800 USD when the system first launched, but through different cost cutting maneuvers, Sony has been able to bring down the production cost of the system to a reasonable 400 USD, almost the same price of the newest 40GB model. Some of the cost-cutting moves have included shrinking the chip sizes, re-evaluating parts (like removing the Emotion Engine for the latest 40GB model) and various other design tweaks.

Last week Kaz Hirai expressed to the media that the PlayStation division of Sony, specifically the PS3's division, is expected to turn a profit in 2008 as opposed to the losses experienced in 2007. Thankfully the PSP and even the PS2 have maintained solid sales and the gaming portion of Sony has been staying afloat. Now that production costs are below the retail price, this also allows some breathing space to bring the price down one more time without disrupting profits. Although this price drop may not come soon, it could be expected around the holidays of 2008 when Microsoft and possibly Nintendo could be eyeing a price drop for their respective systems.

Sony has also benefited from Warner Bros. recent defection from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray as investers have raised the value of Sony's stock by 4.1%.

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ps3 prices could be dropping sooner than most think, thus making it more appealing to the masses. as far as sony being damaged i dont think that is the case as the PLAYSTATION BRAND is just as strong as it was a couple years ago. may be stronger. i say that because its not the case that the PS3 sucks, doesnt live up to the playstation standard, or that people simply don't want the system regardless of the price. its simply a little more costly and the big games that helped make the playstation brand what it has become aren't available yet (MGS, DMC, KZ, GTA, RE, GOW, GT, SOCM, FF etc). metalGear,DvlMayCry,Kllzne,GrndTftAut,RsdntEvl,GodfWr,GrnTursm,Socom, FnlFant

im sure you would agree that even yourself, some of your friends, or even the general public probably still have all the intention on purchasing a PS3, once the price is at your/their valued level. sony has not been damaged, and actually if you think back to the ps2 era, sales for that system did not take off till their was a significant price cut. the system has slightly over one year on the market and once some killer apps hit the platform along with a more strategic pricing, sales will surely skyrocket.

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IMO they have damaged the brand and the 2-3B debt from the mishandled launch makes hat clear, however is this a death blow only well if the PS3 fails and it dose not look like thats the case, slowed prehaps but then again this is a full console war.

Plus I remember that someone who designed the ps3 or someone in charge was fired, in response from consumers.

Originally posted by Shegax:

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Plus I remember that someone who designed the ps3 or someone in charge was fired, in response from consumers.

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More like due to the suits screwing up and not seeing that the huge price was a huge issue, the suits pushed of all blame to the creator of the PSX brand and PS3, somewhere between the suits and PR team they ate their own sht they were pooing out.

The end result because the PS3 did "medicorly" they fired him.

The PS3 is a great system. I think most peoples gripe is based on the fact that the 360 was out first. I was one of those that couldnt wait and bought a 360. I was never impressed by that system and never will be. When i got my PS3 things was slow with the game dept but overall I could see the systems potential. I think people are holding a grudge because of the year late release and initial price. On top of that what makes most of the complaints on this site funny is people begged for Sony to take away things on the system to make it cheaper. Sony answered with the 40GB and 80GB now people whining to make them put back what they took out. I dont think Sony is confused but the people who dont know what they want are. I am not a fanboy but I love my PS3 better then my 360. My Wii is fun but not everyday. The BWC is cool and a nice feature but to those that think its a priority to have once you got it you will either forget about it or just simply not care for it at all. Everybody at some point get the urge to play older games because i do on my PSP. But not for the better version on that system.

Oh! YEAH! ok, I forgot the official story thanks Zippy for clearing that up!!

Originally posted by Shegax:

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Oh! YEAH! ok, I forgot the official story thanks Zippy for clearing that up!!

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I would think even he had reservations abotu the price but its hard to break through the PR poo, its a shame they lost a visanary...

ZIPPY DSM! I just watched the fan boy movie you had in your quote! I couldn't stop laughing!

Originally posted by Shegax:

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ZIPPY DSM! I just watched the fan boy movie you had in your quote! I couldn't stop laughing!

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it puts a lot in perspective :P

Not surprising.