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HD DVD player sales bounce back

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 29 Jan 2008 22:23 User comments (61)

HD DVD player sales bounce back After the dissapointment of being outsold by Blu-ray players more than 10:1 a week earlier, HD DVD standalone player sales rebounded for the week ending January 19, 2008 to comprise around 1/3 of all Next-Gen DVD players sold.
Ross Rubin, analyst for the NPD Group attributes both Blu-ray's recent advantage and HD DVD's apparent resurgence to price rather than any consumer mandate. “Both camps face really strong competition from standard DVD up-converting models, which inexpensively render [consumers’] massive DVD libraries well on their TVs,” said Rubin, adding “We’ve seen a consistent trend of the market responding to changes in price and promotion by both camps. So you’ll see a significant shift [in sales one way or the other] in response to the end of a promotion or the beginning of a new promotion.”

Toshiba, however, is putting a more positive face on the development. Toshiba marketing VP Jodi Sally argues that the previous week's figures were the result of a gap betwen promotions, with one ending on Janury 5, and the next beginning on the 13th. “All of our promotions had ended at that time,” he said . “But if you look at our unit sales at key retailers for the first week of our price moves, Toshiba sales are twice the rate of our average weekly sales during 2007.”


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61 user comments

129.1.2008 22:42

Denial is not just a river in Egypt?

As big a booster of HD DVD as I was, they'd have to come up with a miracle to pull this out.

Instead, they waste money on Super Bowl ads.

*sigh*

229.1.2008 22:46

Are the CC 'clearance' prices rumors or has anyone confirmed them?
If so, I wonder how the numbers will look.. hmm..

329.1.2008 22:55
jrosado5
Inactive

HD DVD is still a better format, period! So what if Blu-ray wins out, I am happy with my affordable collection of HD DVDs and actually look forward to finding some great deals. You Blu-ray fanboys make it sound like HD DVD isn't 1080p anymore. I will continue to build my collection as long as I can get the titles for rock bottom prices and it will still serve it's purpose, which is to DISPLAY HD CONTENT on my 42" Plasma, period! HD supporters, go out and find youself some great deals like I just did, Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy HD DVD for $24.99 at Best Buy, great!!! Yes, I will buy a PS3 soon enough to also buy Blu-Ray as well, but we all know that HD DVD is the better format. Enjoy the bargains and stock up on that HD collection at affordable prices and don't worry about the Blu-Ray crowd poking fun at us, they are just upset that they can't get the same great deals on players like we have.As long as I can view HD content from my HD collection on my 42" Plasma, it ain't dead!

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429.1.2008 22:59

Originally posted by jrosado5:
HD DVD is still a better format, period! So what if Blu-ray wins out, I am happy with my affordable collection of HD DVDs and actually look forward to finding some great deals. You Blu-ray fanboys make it sound like HD DVD isn't 1080p anymore. I will continue to build my collection as long as I can get the titles for rock bottom prices and it will still serve it's purpose, which is to DISPLAY HD CONTENT on my 42" Plasma, period! HD supporters, go out and find youself some great deals like I just did, Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy HD DVD for $24.99 at Best Buy, great!!! Yes, I will buy a PS3 soon enough to also buy Blu-Ray as well, but we all know that HD DVD is the better format. Enjoy the bargains and stock up on that HD collection at affordable prices and don't worry about the Blu-Ray crowd poking fun at us, they are just upset that they can't get the same great deals on players like we have.
IF HD DVD goes away I too am looking forward to building a huge HD DVD disc collection AND stocking up on players, I might double dip and buy my SD DVD on HD DVD if it gets cheap enough, then sell all my DVD's to help pay for a BD player!!

529.1.2008 23:48

i hope HD DVD's get cheaper and also blu ray i'ma do the same and stock up since i have both formats i'll definitely enjoy the best of both worlds....who said its bad to see both sides fighting with each other....hope to see real low prices on both if not only HD DVD....

630.1.2008 2:10

the format war is not over..but it is only a few battles from ending I say it should end by mid/late 09 even early 010.

730.1.2008 2:55
Gehnma
Inactive

Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.

830.1.2008 3:23

Originally posted by Gehnma:
Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.

So my HD DVD discs are going to explode or something when I put them into my HD DVD player? I know the situation right now, and I would only build up my collection to the extreme I mentioned IF HD DVD was to become a dead format, now why would I complain about it then?
Blu-ray movies may be the same price, but with the cost of a player, I'd much rather buy HD DVD, there are a few BD exclusives I want, but Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right.

edit: The BD exclusives I want are all Fox, Die Hard 1-4, and Independence Day
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930.1.2008 3:54

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right

Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.


Also the Die hard series use Mpeg4 codec.I use Highdefdigest to check for reviews before i buy any HD movie & most of time they be spot on far as sound & PQ.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/
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1030.1.2008 4:13

Can someone start an online petition to get afterdawn to stop printing these RSS News Releases every 5 minutes ? ( I mean favourable articles for either side - HD-DVD and Blu Ray.) ?
Nott rying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, repetitive and tedious to see exactly the same story or a 1% spin variation on the same story day after day.
I think i've overdosed on HD Media News already this year :P

1130.1.2008 7:46
jrosado5
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Originally posted by Gehnma:
Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.
Why are my wasting my cash? Aren't I still getting a HD product that delivers an HD picture to my HD TV? Is there an expiration date on HD DVDs that I don't know about? So when standard DVDs become the dead format or say CDs, those are dying because of downloads, is everyone going to whine about it? NO! We'll just keep our collection just like my parents kept their LP's (which are making a comeback). It is only a waste of money if you don't get a return on investment. Simple finance! You can argue that there is some lost on investment as far as HD DVD goes, but there is always risk! Had Warner gone HD DVD exclusively, it would have been you Blu-Ray supporters getting slammed on internet blogs like the Red group is now. So when my HD movies expire, melt my TV, or put out dangerous radiation throughout my house, then I will say it was a waste of money.
As far as deals go, they have been pretty equal between the two formats, espeially in Amazon BOGO, but I am starting to see a trend of deals towards red. The PS3/Blu-Ray get 5 mail in rebate just expired or is about to and I don't see the retailers offering free in store Blu-Ray movies anymore, but the HD camp still does offer the rebate, along with 2 in the box. Of course that can change as well.
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1230.1.2008 7:53

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Not trying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, .....
....and in-&-out, and over-&-over-&-over, and up-&-down, and back-&-forth, and over-&-across, and Yin-&-For-Yang, and bla-bla-bla-bla .....

I'm getting seasick I think.

BLU - I'm better'n YOU!
HD - R Not! R Not! R Not!
BLU - Am 2! Am 2!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - I'm gonna tell your mother on you!
BLU - I'm Bigger.
HD - I'm Better.
BLU - I'm Cheaper.
HD - I sell more players.
BLU - I sell more discs.
HD - I look better in leotards.
BLU - Eat My Shorts !!!!!
HD - "Mommy! Mommy! Mommy!
MOM - "Now children, don't fight! You just wait till your father gets home!"

(Please pass me the Bromo-Seltzer, ok?) :-)

You want REAL Hi-Def without the hoopla? Get one of these things:




Quote:
Instead, they waste money on Super Bowl ads.
Yeah, that *IS* amazing, eh? $30 Million US for a 30-second Ad-Spot. That's one-million-dollars-per-second on my calculator.

Kinda makes you wonder... if only they had spent that kind of money on a Single Unified Format, how much better we'd all be off right now. [shrug].

1330.1.2008 8:14

Quote:
Yeah, that *IS* amazing, eh? $30 Million US for a 30-second Ad-Spot. That's one-million-dollars-per-second on my calculator.
$3 million

And yes people do need to grow up and lighten up a bit though, it's only a disc format.

And what's a superbowl? ;-)
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1430.1.2008 8:46
jrosado5
Inactive

Quote:
Quote:
Not trying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, .....
....and in-&-out, and over-&-over-&-over, and up-&-down, and back-&-forth, and over-&-across, and Yin-&-For-Yang, and bla-bla-bla-bla .....

I'm getting seasick I think.

BLU - I'm better'n YOU!
HD - R Not! R Not! R Not!
BLU - Am 2! Am 2!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - NOT!
BLU - AM!
HD - I'm gonna tell your mother on you!
BLU - I'm Bigger.
HD - I'm Better.
BLU - I'm Cheaper.
HD - I sell more players.
BLU - I sell more discs.
HD - I look better in leotards.
BLU - Eat My Shorts !!!!!
HD - "Mommy! Mommy! Mommy!
MOM - "Now children, don't fight! You just wait till your father gets home!"

(Please pass me the Bromo-Seltzer, ok?) :-)

You want REAL Hi-Def without the hoopla? Get one of these things:




Quote:
Instead, they waste money on Super Bowl ads.
Yeah, that *IS* amazing, eh? $30 Million US for a 30-second Ad-Spot. That's one-million-dollars-per-second on my calculator.

Kinda makes you wonder... if only they had spent that kind of money on a Single Unified Format, how much better we'd all be off right now. [shrug].

Sorry buddy, but this is an area for comments! To comment on a topic of interest to everyone is the purpose of message boards. Second, if it's ying for yang, then you have a choice. You din't have to read the article or the board comments. You made the choice. Third, it is $2.7 million for a 30 second ad, not $30 million. Fourth, I do like the HD Viewmaster, great idea! Let's just hope Sony doesn't give them $500 million like they did Warner and make DRM infested Viewmaster slides that don't have a finalized format such as 1.1, 1.3 or 2.0. SAVE THE VIEWMASTER! SAVE THE VIEWMASTER! SAVE THE VIEWMASTER!

1530.1.2008 10:24
ken9771
Inactive

Of course they "bounced back"; what would you expect to happen
as a result of stores dumping their stock.

Figures were for the week ending January 19th.
We should see higher sales numbers this week as more stores have
been dropping prices recently.

Question is, will the stores restock?

Same thing happened with Beta, I remember a neighbor picking up
a Beta unit for I think 40 bucks during the last days.

1630.1.2008 10:35

Originally posted by Gehnma:
Why build up the HD-DVD collection? I know why, so later on when its a dead format, you can whine all over these boards and complain how you put sooo much money into it and now you have nothing... Have a little insight, and don't waste your cash, blu-ray movies are VERY affordable at online retailers, Ive never payed over $20 at the most for any blu-ray film. Saying the HD-DVD media is a bargin compared to Blu-ray is rediculous, they are pretty much the same in most retail stores, do the math.
According to the above quote, humans should never buy anything related to technology. Since technology is always improving, no matter what you buy you're wasting your money because something better will come along and replace it. I guess everyone should quit buying BlueRay movies as well, because in 10 years, we'll have holographic movies.

1730.1.2008 11:03

Quote:
$3 million
Right you are, unicus. :)

Ok, so let's see..... (um), well, that's a bargain (I guess) at a mere one-hundred-thousand-dollars-per-second! WOW, what an advertising steal !!

Quote:
And what's a superbowl?
A super-opportunity to super-advertise a format that may or may not be super-extinct by this time next year. (I wonder what these things will go for at back-yard sales?)

1830.1.2008 11:21
ken9771
Inactive

Quote:
According to the above quote, humans should never buy anything related to technology. Since technology is always improving, no matter what you buy you're wasting your money because something better will come along and replace it. I guess everyone should quit buying BlueRay movies as well, because in 10 years, we'll have holographic movies.
That doesn't make any sense, because based on this logic if you wait
a little longer "holographic movies" will be replaced by something
like in the movie Total Recall, the "virtual holiday machine".
You will be "in the movie".

I bet when that machine first hits the market it will arrive in
two different formats also!

How many of you guys are gonna be arguing in that format war!

Bottom line, what ever is avaiable, buy what you can afford that
matches your current "needs".

1930.1.2008 11:22

Good Morning, jrosado5!

Quote:
Sorry buddy, but this is an area for comments! To comment on a topic of interest to everyone is the purpose of message boards. Second, if it's ying for yang, then you have a choice.
Hard day at the office yesterday, jrosado5? Indigestion, maybe? Having a "bad-hair" day or something?

(Maybe bought into a format you wished you hadn't?) - Just a thought.

Quote:
...this is an area for comments!
NO! Go 'way wit'ya! (Really?) Did you figure this out all by yourself, or did you have some help?

Quote:
To comment on a topic of interest to everyone is the purpose of message boards.
Oh, I see! (Gee, thanks - I must jot that down for future reference, in case I forgets). [scribble, scribble] WHAT would I do without you ??? ;-)

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Third, it is $2.7 million for a 30 second ad, not $30 million.
Point is, my friend, $100,000-per-second advertising, which would have been completely unnecessary if the greedy conglomerates could have pooled their resources into a single format, is still a mind-boggling figure (even on a calculator with weak batteries) for a format that may not be around tommorrow.

I hope these comments meet with your criteria and the general interest of the topic.

2030.1.2008 11:33
varnull
Inactive

So what if.. and it is a what if.. M$ decide to throw a few billions at the studios to keep hd.. That would stir things up a little eh?

I'm with you domie.. Enough is enough. Let it go on for a couple more days and I will start one for you.. how's that?

2130.1.2008 11:40

Lol.

Nice response A_Klingon. :)

I've been watching this thread all morning patiently waiting your response to jrosado.

Lol.

EDIT:
Varnull, Domie, ...i'm in too.

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2230.1.2008 11:55
goodswipe
Inactive

Originally posted by domie:
Can someone start an online petition to get afterdawn to stop printing these RSS News Releases every 5 minutes ? ( I mean favourable articles for either side - HD-DVD and Blu Ray.) ?
Nott rying to have a rant but it's getting incredibly monotonous, repetitive and tedious to see exactly the same story or a 1% spin variation on the same story day after day.
I think i've overdosed on HD Media News already this year :P
Ok, sounds good to me, but then where would one go to get their fill of hilarious threads, filled with nonstop action from both camps arguing? Oh wait, just about every other website with HD related news.

:0)

Anyone have any actual numbers on the results of this?

Quote:
the percentage figures still only translate into 8639 HD DVD units and 16,496 Blu-ray units, during the week ended 19 January, according to NPD numbers cited by website The Digital Bits

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2330.1.2008 12:15

I am surprised how many people here support blu-ray. I'd say a large number of us are into backing up our discs. BD is more anti-consumer than HD-DVD. I guess you guys also don't value your privacy. Your player needs to be internet connected. Every action you do can be recorded and sent back to the mothership. I refuse to play this game.

2430.1.2008 12:19

Quote:
Quote:
According to the above quote, humans should never buy anything related to technology. Since technology is always improving, no matter what you buy you're wasting your money because something better will come along and replace it. I guess everyone should quit buying BlueRay movies as well, because in 10 years, we'll have holographic movies.
That doesn't make any sense, because based on this logic if you wait
a little longer "holographic movies" will be replaced by something
like in the movie Total Recall, the "virtual holiday machine".
You will be "in the movie".

I bet when that machine first hits the market it will arrive in
two different formats also!

How many of you guys are gonna be arguing in that format war!

Bottom line, what ever is avaiable, buy what you can afford that
matches your current "needs".
I think that's exactly what I was referring to. I responded to a quote that suggested people shouldn't start a collection of HD DVD movies because they're going to be obsolete. My response to him was that by using his logic, we would never start a collection of any kind of technology, because sooner or later it will all be obsolete. I didn't state that I agreed with him. I have lots of technology that I know will be replaced with newer technology in the future. Obviously, I thought that it was worth my money for the use that I will receive from that item. It's the same reason that I buy certain movies. If I think I will watch it several times, then it's worth my money to buy as opposed to renting it. In the end, it's really up to each person. Who has the right to tell someone else how to spend his/her money? Of course, that won't stop others from offering advice or opinions, but that's human nature.
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2530.1.2008 12:24

OK, players sales are strong... but where is Universal?? and Paramount?? They're not doing their part. They need to incentive player sales with big titles...

Too bad Spielberg supports BD :P

2630.1.2008 12:37

Originally posted by varikelo:
OK, players sales are strong... but where is Universal?? and Paramount?? They're not doing their part. They need to incentive player sales with big titles...

Too bad Spielberg supports BD :P
too bad he sucks now too :P

2730.1.2008 12:39
Globe08
Inactive

This is a big pointing finger to how ignorant the the american public is or i guess the public in gerenal is as consumers. Hd-dvd is the better buy hands down on all accounts be it hardware or software. Blu-ray by far has the better studios and companies backing them however if we as consumers would have only stuck it out with the cheaper and equal in quality to blu-ray (cough hd-dvd cough) format then we wouldnt have been stuck with the slim selection. the big wigs would have went where the money. Thus we all would have won out getting the selction and great price all on one format and shutting out the arrogant overpriced sony format. the only people who have any right to buy blu-ray products are people who own a ps3 cause they already have the player and rich folks.Sony was smart in this case they know how bad videogame fanboys are and that them alone could win this war.be it kids swaying there parents to get them movies for their ps3, or teenagers who own ps3 buying the movies themselves. either way you cut it sony gaming fans are the most reliable in the business and so the sheep did their joba nd in the process screwed the rest of us. For me im waiting til the war is all the way over, its almost there but im still waiting.HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???


point in case to touch on what some of you have said it is almost pointless to have a collection of anything. how much replay value do dvds have. you spend say 12 bucks on average which a guess at saying their 20 bucks new and then some people are 5 dolalr bin dvd hunters. anyway math aside you probably will watch the movie 2 times and max which is cheaper than the theatre but still then you have 500 movies that the more you get the bigger your stand must become hence you have to shell out more money for movies your already done with but since your getting new ones and keeping the old ones you need the space. and at the rate things are becoming oblelete it is idiotic to shell out money. the time between new high end tech releasing is way too short. 1080p is supposed to be future proof but anyone who visits this site knows that wont be the case.i could rant and rave as could anybody could do but it wouldnt change anything now would it. lets just keep money in their pockets and none in ours, thats the consumers way. always has been always will be. im off to buy a 1 liter cold coke thats priced higher than a2 liter bottle of the same stuff but its not cold and to come home and put ice in it is crazy so later ladies and gents.

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2830.1.2008 12:43
goodswipe
Inactive

Originally posted by Globe08:

HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
The Rumble in The Jungle!!

2930.1.2008 12:44

Originally posted by Globe08:
This is a big pointing finger to how ignorant the the american public is or i guess the public in gerenal is as consumers. Hd-dvd is the better buy hands down on all accounts be it hardware or software. Blu-ray by far has the better studios and companies backing them however if we as consumers would have only stuck it out with the cheaper and equal in quality to blu-ray (cough hd-dvd cough) format then we wouldnt have been stuck with the slim selection. the big wigs would have went where the money. Thus we all would have won out getting the selction and great price all on one format and shutting out the arrogant overpriced sony format. the only people who have any right to buy blu-ray products are people who own a ps3 cause they already have the player and rich folks.Sony was smart in this case they know how bad videogame fanboys are and that them alone could win this war.be it kids swaying there parents to get them movies for their ps3, or teenagers who own ps3 buying the movies themselves. either way you cut it sony gaming fans are the most reliable in the business and so the sheep did their joba nd in the process screwed the rest of us. For me im waiting til the war is all the way over, its almost there but im still waiting.HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
You do realize BR had most of Asia from the start?

I will agree with you HDVD is the better all around format but they have not played a strong enough game so far.

3030.1.2008 12:54
nobrainer
Inactive

*edit* dup

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3130.1.2008 13:00

Quote:
Originally posted by NexGen76:
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right
Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.
@ sk8flawzz

mostly all sony's blu-ray releases pre november 2007 were in mpeg2.

@next

both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2. mpeg2 is being used as there is little point in transferring a none HD film to the new formats and saving them mega bucks in the process for a re-branded dvd!

both formats suck and are pointless, because of HDCP you have to invest in all new equipment or your picture and sound are blocked.

ppl just, stick to up-scaling dvd's until the studios force the Hi-Def uptake by not releasing titles to dvd then just download them if HDCP is still being used, but seems the MPAA pulled ranks to quash HD-DvD because of it having less DRM and no region coding, i wouldn't hold your breath on the anti consumer DRM still being use, if sony, disney and fox have anything to do with it expect pay per viewing and a whole host more anti consumer hoops to jump through to watch your media.

No new format is cheap and it always costs more and always sucks for the early adopter HDCP will be cracked and recracked like any protection they try and do so meh...alth the best advice give it till 011 before you buy in other wise you are just wasting your money.

3230.1.2008 13:02
Globe08
Inactive

Quote:
Originally posted by Globe08:
This is a big pointing finger to how ignorant the the american public is or i guess the public in gerenal is as consumers. Hd-dvd is the better buy hands down on all accounts be it hardware or software. Blu-ray by far has the better studios and companies backing them however if we as consumers would have only stuck it out with the cheaper and equal in quality to blu-ray (cough hd-dvd cough) format then we wouldnt have been stuck with the slim selection. the big wigs would have went where the money. Thus we all would have won out getting the selction and great price all on one format and shutting out the arrogant overpriced sony format. the only people who have any right to buy blu-ray products are people who own a ps3 cause they already have the player and rich folks.Sony was smart in this case they know how bad videogame fanboys are and that them alone could win this war.be it kids swaying there parents to get them movies for their ps3, or teenagers who own ps3 buying the movies themselves. either way you cut it sony gaming fans are the most reliable in the business and so the sheep did their joba nd in the process screwed the rest of us. For me im waiting til the war is all the way over, its almost there but im still waiting.HAs anyone seen the ali vs foreman fight???
You do realize BR had most of Asia from the start?

I will agree with you HDVD is the better all around format but they have not played a strong enough game so far.


no honestly i didnt know that but i dont find that it matter is my point.americans on the whole arent like other nationalites where they remain loyal to there races prodcut. it may be because american make shitty products...who knows. my point is and let me factor what youve said about asia... from the beggining hd-dvd is the better buy all around and yet right out the gates its been getting its ass kicked.people are ignorant running out to buy the more expensive format all for what becasue it had the better selection at the time. that would have changed had we been smart about it,we werent they(sony and company) were end game.

3330.1.2008 13:04
nobrainer
Inactive

*edit* duplicate sry

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3430.1.2008 13:07
nobrainer
Inactive

*edit* duplicate oops sry.

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3530.1.2008 13:16

Globe08
the point is you don't know your point is....
race has lil todo with it, BR just managed to get thier product out and make the deals to mkae it a mianstream format, HD DVD didnot accomplish this thus is aloss least so far.

Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....

3630.1.2008 13:20
spydah
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How did you manage a triple post lol. Ok i wont say much about this thread but its always the story over and over so, my view is they are dumping their stock on this player and thats the fact of the matter. People love a bargain even if its not something thats going to hold much value later.

3730.1.2008 13:29
nobrainer
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
Fox doesn't do a great job with their encodes. MPEG2? I think I'll upconvert until they get it right
Codec has nothing to do with how the PQ outcome is.Its depend on how they do the transfer.There are movies that are better on Mpeg2 codec than Mpeg4 or VC-1.Plus Fox hasn't used a Mpeg2 codec in a while.In my opinion i think LionGate does the best transfers & they use mpeg2 codec most of the time & i haven't seen a HD movie on either format that looked better than Crank which was Mpeg2 & earn high reviews for PQ.
@ sk8flawzz

mostly all sony's blu-ray releases pre november 2007 were in mpeg2.

@nextgen

both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2. mpeg2 is being used as there is little point in transferring a none HD film to the new formats and saving them mega bucks in the process for a re-branded dvd!

both formats suck and are pointless, because of HDCP you have to invest in all new equipment or your picture and sound are blocked.

ppl just, stick to up-scaling dvd's until the studios force the Hi-Def uptake by not releasing titles to dvd then just download them if HDCP is still being used, but seems the MPAA pulled ranks to quash HD-DvD because of it having less DRM and no region coding, i wouldn't hold your breath on the anti consumer DRM still being use, if sony, disney and fox have anything to do with it expect pay per viewing and a whole host more anti consumer hoops to jump through to watch your media.


Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....
@ ZippyDSM

i did say pre november 2007 but you are incorrect as this inferior codec is still in use, and it should have NEVER been used for any Hi-Def releases, also to correct you blu-ray has an extra level of DRM called BD+ that gives the studios the right to run any code on our hardware to combat piracy this is not on HD-DvD and never will be used on HD-DvD discs, and this is also the reason Fox held back releasing films until this Blu-Ray only anti consumer DRM was finalised.


Quote:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=311
Me, Myself & Irene (Blu-ray)

20th Century Fox | 2000 | 116 mins | Rated R | Feb 05, 2008

Video
Video codec: MPEG-2
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1

Subtitles
English SDH, English, French, Spanish

Disc
25GB Blu-ray Disc

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3830.1.2008 13:33

cache/browser glitch?

I left a browser reload plug in running once....oy spamed out 10 comments in another forum LOL.

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3930.1.2008 16:00
ken9771
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More news, "Sonic's Scenarist now Blu-ray, digital distribution format only"

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/30/son...on-format-only/

Regardless if hardware sales jumpup before the dude at the morgue
declares that the dead body ain't really gonna sit back up
and talk again, software developers are jumping overboard also.

Aside from future use for data storage format, I don't care;
just want the one to survive that has the largest storage capacity.

4030.1.2008 16:04

Originally posted by ken9771:
More news, "Sonic's Scenarist now Blu-ray, digital distribution format only"

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/30/son...on-format-only/

Regardless if hardware sales jumpup before the dude at the morgue
declares that the dead body ain't really gonna sit back up
and talk again, software developers are jumping overboard also.

Aside from future use for data storage format, I don't care;
just want the one to survive that has the largest storage capacity.

the diffrance is a measly 25GB if BR can make the 3 layer discs stable.

4130.1.2008 16:17
ken9771
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Quote:
the diffrance is a measly 25GB if BR can make the 3 layer discs stable
Somewhere on net I saw a figure of 200 Gb possible for BR.

The higher capacity, will always be more than HD-DVD
because the data layers are closer to the surface,
that's why the protective coating is used on the BR media.

Regardless, which ever survives the step up in capacity between
regular DVBD's and either of these will be ok for now.

4230.1.2008 16:33
ken9771
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I see that that 200 GB figure was old news back in 2005 at this site.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-r...ion-s-division/

I could not copy the table so that it would display properly.

At that time they were saying thst the Theoretical limit for
Blu was 200 Gb and that the Theoretical limit for HD-DVD was 60 GB.

4330.1.2008 16:47

Quote:
“Both camps face really strong competition from standard DVD up-converting models, which inexpensively render [consumers’] massive DVD libraries well on their TVs,”
that's the real format war. neither hd format will have a real foothold until they can conquer the current standard.

Originally posted by Globe08:
...how much replay value do dvds have. you spend say 12 bucks on average which a guess at saying their 20 bucks new and then some people are 5 dolalr bin dvd hunters...
i've never paid more than $7.50US for a single dvd movie. consider both that i've never bought the upgraded extra disc edition and that i didn't start actually buying dvd's until around '05 or so (too expensive.) keep in mind that's around the same time blockbuster and such places managed to stopped renting vhs. it's no coincidence that it was also around '04 that everyone i knew finally started buying dvd players.
3-4 years ago dvd finally took a definitive hold over the market.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
...the best advice give it till 011 before you buy in other wise you are just wasting your money.
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4430.1.2008 16:58
Globe08
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Globe08
the point is you don't know your point is....
race has lil todo with it, BR just managed to get thier product out and make the deals to mkae it a mianstream format, HD DVD didnot accomplish this thus is aloss least so far.

Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....

if you say so, if that makes you feel more educated about spending more for the same product than so be it im not in a position to tell you how to save money or anything of that nature. did sony do a better pr job??of course they used it to market their "game console" so right off the bat a millions knew of it.its ignorant to approach it in the way you do.better is better no marketing scheme will convince me other wise. the smart way to approach an item such as this is to wait til the price comes down if your not going to pick the cheaper equal comes down. its a product attemptimg to become the standard so prices will and have already dropped. No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway.only the newer movies attain 1080p quality IMO that is anyway. gooday sir.


and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt but for the mass public they dont take the time to search or evaluate the best price. which is part of the point i so painstakingly was trying to make to zippy is that us consumers are all sheep. even going to the point of defending the big wigs over themselves...
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4530.1.2008 17:24

Originally posted by Globe08:
No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway...and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt...

i'll give you that it's possible i'm in the minority, but to me it's no bargain. that's just all a single dvd movie is worth. if i can buy a movie that won five oscars for $7.50 (one of my favorites too,) then i'm not paying any more than that for any movie.

that, however, isn't my point. i was pretty much agreeing with you that it's far too expensive for the average consumer to adopt this new tech. also that the industry started the hype and the releases way too soon; considering how, as i said, dvd's just took over about 4 years ago.

also, i said the same thing. "hd didn't exist in 1991!! how the hell is terminator 2 on blu-ray!?!!?!!!!1one"
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4630.1.2008 20:17

Originally posted by snowlock:
Originally posted by Globe08:
No need to rush out and buy a old ass movie claiming to be upscaled to 1080p anyway...and snowlock i think even you know your in the minority on the price per dvd paid dont you? its a steal for you no doubt...

i'll give you that it's possible i'm in the minority, but to me it's no bargain. that's just all a single dvd movie is worth. if i can buy a movie that won five oscars for $7.50 (one of my favorites too,) then i'm not paying any more than that for any movie.

that, however, isn't my point. i was pretty much agreeing with you that it's far too expensive for the average consumer to adopt this new tech. also that the industry started the hype and the releases way too soon; considering how, as i said, dvd's just took over about 4 years ago.

also, i said the same thing. "hd didn't exist in 1991!! how the hell is terminator 2 on blu-ray!?!!?!!!!1one"
Movie film can capture quality even better than HD, most of it is downscaled, due to conversion and stuff. So even if it was filmed in 1991, if they still have the film in good condition, then they can transfer it into a disc and make it in HD.

4731.1.2008 3:15
nobrainer
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Originally posted by Globe08:
Originally posted by zippy:

Also HDVD has adopted region coding with the 51GB HDVD disc making it and BR indistinguishable from each other.

Nobrains
MPEG2 HAS BEN DISCONTINUED AS A CODEC FOR BR...oy vay....you act like they have not upgraded to the better codecs....

if you say so, if that makes you feel more educated about spending more for the same product than so be it im not in a position to tell you how to save money or anything of that nature. did sony do a better pr job??
he is wrong as mpeg2 is still in use check out my previous post with the blu-ray site showing mpeg2. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/621636#3757996

and blu-ray has an extra layer of DRM BD+, fox refused to release any titles to HD-DvD and were backing DRM-Ray from the start, as were Disney and Sony, all the PRO DRM anti consumer MPAA members.
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4931.1.2008 13:03

Originally posted by nobrainer:
both vc-1 and mpeg4 are far superior and capable of far greater quality than mpeg2.
It has been proven time and again that MPEG2 encoded titles can look mighty darn good especially if the source or master is in decent shape and the encoder is comfortable with the codec and knows exactly what he's doing.

The Picture Quality scores for these MPEG2 encoded titles are 5 out of 5 or 4.5 out of 5 (Source - highdefdigest.com). They compare favorably to other titles encoded in AVC or VC1 in either format.

Dreamgirls
The Covenant
Big Fish
Black Rain
Catch & Release
Crank
Enemy of the State
A Few Good Men
Flyboys
The Devil Wears Prada
Kingdom of Heaven: The Director's Cut
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Layer Cake
Men of Honor
Pathfinder
Phone Booth
Stealth
Tears of the Sun
Windtalkers

etc.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews_video.html
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501.2.2008 13:58

The Nielsen Videoscan numbers for the week ending January 27, 2008:

BluRay 82%
HD DVD 18%




All Titles in the Top Ten High Def Sellers are BluRay.

This is the third week in a row of 80+ numbers for BluRay including 2 weeks of reduced player prices for HD DVD. Also the third week in a row with all BluRay titles in the Top Ten.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom020308/

Pie Chart on page 1
Top Ten on page 8

New releases for that week:
HD DVD
Channels (Vanguard Cinema)
Method Man: Live from the Sunset Strip (Music Distribution)

Blu-ray
The Game Plan (Disney)
Saw IV (Lionsgate)

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511.2.2008 16:08

Originally posted by BludRayne:
I am surprised how many people here support blu-ray. I'd say a large number of us are into backing up our discs. BD is more anti-consumer than HD-DVD. I guess you guys also don't value your privacy. Your player needs to be internet connected. Every action you do can be recorded and sent back to the mothership. I refuse to play this game.
I don't get the Internet-connected reference, but I totally agree with you on DRM. It doesn't matter if BR can store more, when the space is taken up by DRM garbage that prevents you making a backup of the DISC YOU PAID FOR. (This has always been my main objection to BR.) Space will especially be an issue for me if they add this stupid IntelliTrack technology they're plotting and waste space with that.

521.2.2008 18:22

I will never own or buy a system that requires my set-top player to be connected to the Internet in order to play back retail discs that I have purchased.

If I have to do that, I'll find an alternative HD source/format, or do completely without if need be.

They tried that s**t with the old, original, ancient DIVX scam from Circuit City, and we all know where the original DIVX ended up.

If SONY requires this, they are going to be fending-off a massive public backlash.

Yeah - it's unfortunate, but Blu-Ray is chock-full of DRM. Don't know how we're ever going to totally work our way around it. :-(

531.2.2008 18:27

A_Klingon

This is the vibe I am getting, they have put lot of protections in it to show the media mafia it can be done but they are unwilling to do it or keep up with it (they sold off BD+ protection after all).

Bascily its a front.


I think the industry has learned that its pointless to work "to hard" on protections since they are broken so quickly, but then again sony is bi polar who knows what they will do next.


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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541.2.2008 23:20

bouncing like a flat basket ball.

551.2.2008 23:47

So what happen to all thos people who buy the cheap HDDVD players?

Not buying the HDDVD movies?

Why 82 for Blu and only 18 for HDDVD?

562.2.2008 11:19
superomio
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The only reason HD DVD player sales have "bounced back" is because i saw a HD DVD player advertised for £200 with 7 free movies.

5710.2.2008 15:52

super you said it a good value people will buy it .low prices and good product will sell. ill buy one .

5810.2.2008 19:27
superomio
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Yeah, but why invest in something thats going redundant?

5911.2.2008 12:20

Maybe because, as he already stated, he feels its a value and he can do whatever he wants with his money. What more reason does an individual need?

6011.2.2008 19:38

Originally posted by Nephilim:
Maybe because, as he already stated, he feels its a value and he can do whatever he wants with his money. What more reason does an individual need?
Nephilim.....as a consumer I believe you have stated the most greatest comment ever!!!! Kudos!!!

6120.2.2008 6:50

This is just a lil spike in their slow demize.

On a side not Vurbal is this the shoretest length article u have written you must have broken a record or something :) just kidding mate keep up the good work :)

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