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Finnish Christian Democrats want censorship for games

Written by Matti Vähäkainu (Google+) @ 01 Feb 2008 9:24 User comments (45)

Finnish Christian Democrats want censorship for games Finnish Christian Democratic Party wants preliminary inspection for video games. However, even though video games are not included in the Finnish law describing obligatory preliminary inspections, each of the games go through the PEGI (Pan European Game Information) classification. PEGI was designed in collaboration between game studios, child welfare, and other corresponding organizations.
In a recent winter assembly the Finnish CDP parliamentary faction brought up the necessity of censorship and preliminary inspection of video games. Not long after Finnish Games and Multimedia Association (FIGMA) responded that the inspections are already taken care of even though the law doesn't require it. The Christian Democrats also wish for more accurate and detailed descriptions about possible violence and erotic content in video game packaging.

FIGMA also added that another, a national, examination would "decrease the number of released games, cause delays in release schedules, and increase the price of video games." The association also mentions that this would most likely give consumers a reason to buy their games outside Finland, which would effectively remove the reason for national control.

PEGI classification divides games into five age categories, 3+, 7+, 12+, 16+ and 18+. Each of the games are rated using a strict form filled by the game studios. The first two categories are inspected if misuse is suspected, the games in the rest of the categories are inspected always. The reviews are made by Netherlands Institute for the Classification of Audio-visual Media (NICAM). The games can also be reviewed by the Finnish Board of Film Classification (VET) if either the board or the importer finds it necessary.

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11.2.2008 9:51

Finnish Christian Democratic Party

OK, well... let me just say that I'd also like to see a parental advisory sticker on every single bible in Finland then, as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children (my opinion, i'm not attacking anybody.. im attacking a book, an inanimate object).

I'm sorry if my comment is offensive, but in today's world the bible must be the biggest selling book of all time, yet what you read in it, you never would have expected to find in it. Before anybody says it, I know the differences between Old and New Testament but it doesn't change the text in the Old.

Both Bible and video games are marketed, the only difference is the violence depicted in video games comes under scrutiny while the violence permitted in the Bible doesn't to the same degree. Let's at least be fair!

21.2.2008 10:13

@Dela
I certainly don't want to start an argument. But, there are a few things i feel morally obligated to disagree with.

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
I know this is your opinion, but i do not believe the Bible to be a work of fiction. My Dad is a Christian minister and i have grown up immersed in Bible, theology, and religion. I will not argue that parts of it can be gruesome. But no more than watching the nightly news.


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im attacking a book, an inanimate object).

The Bible is a book, an inanimate object, true; But, to believers, it is the inspired Word of God, and therefore carries with it a little more gravity than just another book.

As i said, i do not wish to start a fight, and i'm not attacking your opinions. Just stating as a believer, i felt morally obligated to contest those two things.
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31.2.2008 10:28

Arent video games expensive enough already? If the Christian Democrats get their way then I can defidently see an increase in game imports and piracy or at the very least a decrease in economy. People are going to look for other means to get their video games if they have to pay more.

Personally unless I have been on the edge of my seat for months waiting for a game, I will wait until a game has been released for a few months before purchasing it used or on eBay.

The Christian Democrats should be content with the warning labels already on games, and if they dont like what they see already on the packaging then dont buy the game!

41.2.2008 10:30

I just wanted to also note that most games already come with screenshots on the back packaging. You can pretty much tell how "holy" a game is by reading the description and looking at the pictures.

51.2.2008 11:04
hm577
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I see no problem with ratings for games. There is no reason why ANYONE should have a problem with it................and if you do then go live with the penguins in Antarctica, away from civilization.

Censorship is a big problem though. However, they, IN NO WAY clarified this in the article so no one can pass a critical opinion YET. They need to address their idea of "censorship" because as far as I'm concerned (and most of the world too I'm sure), IF YOU DON"T LIKE THE FRAKKIN' CONTENT YOU'RE HEARING ON THE RADIO THEN CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!!

"We are our own censors"

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61.2.2008 11:12

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@Dela
I certainly don't want to start an argument. But, there are a few things i feel morally obligated to disagree with.

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome
pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
I know this is your opinion, but i do not believe the Bible to be a work of fiction. My Dad is a Christian minister and i have grown up immersed in Bible, theology, and religion. I will not argue that parts of it can be gruesome. But no more than watching the nightly news.


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im attacking a book, an inanimate object).

The Bible is a book, an inanimate object, true; But, to believers, it is the inspired Word of God, and therefore carries with it a little more gravity than just another book.

As i said, i do not wish to start a fight, and i'm not attacking your opinions. Just stating as a believer, i felt morally obligated to contest those two things.
I feel morally obligated to contest a few things too. What ever your own views are of the book cannot be the issue. It is a book that has text in it, meaning that anybody who can read in a language that the Bible is written in is exposed to it. Who wrote it and why it was written is not the issue. The content is the issue. The gruesomeness is the issue, not the beliefs or the believers. It isn't like the Bible has not been censored before. Most Christians are ignorant of the fact that the Romans removed sections of the Bible that conflicted with their beliefs or the major view of the book.
The Bible may have been or may have not been created by divine intervention but it was written and interpretated by people who put their visions into words thus they could be read and understood by other people.

The book has been changed before so why could it not be changed now? Surely the all mighty leaders of the Christian world could come up with a solution that would not change the message but simply the form of the text. They are messengers of God, noh?
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71.2.2008 11:40
varnull
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Most people who study "religious" writings soon realise they are reading historical propaganda. No more, no less..

Nothing to do with god.. They are works of man. The more honest religions quite openly state they are a philosophy, not a set of rules, and you can take it or leave it.

Oh and christians... you are a minority religion, practise what you preach.. STFU and let the rest of us do what we want, for surely what games people choose to play it completely up to them...

Consider this.. In your belief system god makes everything, and motivates all works of man, both good and evil.. There is a theological argument there that I really don't want to get into. I suggest you read your damn book and understand it for what it is.. a set of stories which should be perceived against their historical background.. part written oral history of the jews, part writings of people under oppression from a foreign nation.

Before anybody calls me the devil.. I was brought up in a house that tried to be religious. the only "religion".. and I don't even like to call it that.. that made any sense at all was Zen Bhuddism.
The rest all seem like fear of the dark and stories told to indoctrinate and frighten ignorant people so they can be controlled by peer pressure..

Anyway.. who ever listens to christians..

where did I leave my lions?

81.2.2008 11:59

Originally posted by varnull:
Most people who study "religious" writings soon realise they are reading historical propaganda. No more, no less..

Nothing to do with god.. They are works of man. The more honest religions quite openly state they are a philosophy, not a set of rules, and you can take it or leave it.

Oh and christians... you are a minority religion, practise what you preach.. STFU and let the rest of us do what we want, for surely what games people choose to play it completely up to them...

Consider this.. In your belief system god makes everything, and motivates all works of man, both good and evil.. There is a theological argument there that I really don't want to get into. I suggest you read your damn book and understand it for what it is.. a set of stories which should be perceived against their historical background.. part written oral history of the jews, part writings of people under oppression from a foreign nation.

Before anybody calls me the devil.. I was brought up in a house that tried to be religious. the only "religion".. and I don't even like to call it that.. that made any sense at all was Zen Bhuddism.
The rest all seem like fear of the dark and stories told to indoctrinate and frighten ignorant people so they can be controlled by peer pressure..

Anyway.. who ever listens to christians..

where did I leave my lions?
Being from a Christian nation and having studied religion I can say that I agree with you in essence. Your words are a bit rough around the edges and will most certainly rise unneeded emotions. Religion is a delicate matter which should not be dealt so light-heartedly. Choose you words more carefully, is my advice to you.

91.2.2008 12:18

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Your words are a bit rough around the edges and will most certainly rise unneeded emotions.
That my friend, is Varnull. :)

I have studied religion to a great extent, and admittedly, a lot of it, especially in Judeo Christianity is proganda. I'll agree. A lot of that is some groups/sects/denominations that feel it neccessary to preach a message of hell, fire, and brimstone and establish a sort of emotional leash and guilt trip. Sadly, what's missed is the underlying message of the New Testament, and that is a message of LOVE.




101.2.2008 12:26
varnull
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The NAZI's were christians.. with black magic leanings.

I chose my words deliberately to annoy the indoctrinated ;)

Digging for the truth, and pulling away the obscuring covers of "belief" does upset those who do not like to see the truth.
I don't even know why we are giving this group the time of day.. they have a right to their opinions (no matter how flawed) and I have the same right to mine.

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"The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity
and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted
activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy ...
neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water."
Quote:
'If there is any religion that would cope with modern
scientific needs, it would be Buddhism'
- Albert Einstein

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"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims
may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons
than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may
sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who
torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with
the approval of their own conscience."
__C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_

Once there was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled.
This time is called the Dark Ages.

so by teling me to chose my words more carefully, even though on the surface agreeing with what they say, you still try to cover the light of realisation.

That is my biggest argument with what I call "churchianity" for it blinds the eyes of the seeing.

Dela.. as this news article is in respect or the outpourings of a religious group it can't be discussed without bringing "my god is bigger than your god" junk into the equation.

Before you close this I just want to pose the indoctrinated this little realtivistic conundrum..

Everything is relative to the viewpoint of the observer, therefore from my viewpoint this whole universe only exists because I am here to observe it. If I cease to exist so does the universe and everything in it.. Therefore from where I stand, logically I must be god, for there can be no other..

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"Given that God is infinite, and the Universe is also infinite,
would you like a toasted tea-cake?"
- Toaster, Red Dwarf
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111.2.2008 12:59

well im not gonna get caught up in a religious debate in this thread and i HIGHLY suggest that nobody else does. The only reason for my comment is I saw an obvious double standard and decided to address from from my point of view, I don't need anybody to defend themselves because I didn't attack anybody... well maybe the political group mentioned in this article, that's about it. Remember, I didn't even attack any specific religion or anything like that, I'm just pointing out that what applies to one thing should apply to another and is there anyone here who can say that the comment I made wasn't gonna come from somebody else, especially in these days... and I know some people might object but I said it in a polite way, and mentioned it was "my opinion", im not trying to force it on anyone... just my comment from my perspective.

121.2.2008 13:21
varnull
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Which you know I respect. As with all political groups with religion in the name there are always double standards. They rely on the blind following of the indoctrinated to oppress the others.. it's just mob rule by the back door.

The only good thing to come from the English revolution was the separation of church and state.

Oh.. and the right to worship any junk you want so long as you don't try to oppress others with your beliefs (not a stupid man Cromwell, shame he didn't use the same logic in Ireland)

lions 1....

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131.2.2008 13:34

Originally posted by Dela:
OK, well... let me just say that I'd also like to see a parental advisory sticker on every single bible in Finland then, as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children (my opinion, i'm not attacking anybody.. im attacking a book, an inanimate object).


The Nazi Party felt the same way, and delighted in their book burning festivities. The Bible was seen as "too violent" for children.

Oh the irony.

141.2.2008 13:36

Originally posted by Dela:
Finnish Christian Democratic Party

OK, well... let me just say that I'd also like to see a parental advisory sticker on every single bible in Finland then, as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children (my opinion, i'm not attacking anybody.. im attacking a book, an inanimate object).

I'm sorry if my comment is offensive, but in today's world the bible must be the biggest selling book of all time, yet what you read in it, you never would have expected to find in it. Before anybody says it, I know the differences between Old and New Testament but it doesn't change the text in the Old.

Both Bible and video games are marketed, the only difference is the violence depicted in video games comes under scrutiny while the violence permitted in the Bible doesn't to the same degree. Let's at least be fair!

Your right i see your point there is a double standard.I'm a Christian & i think the biggest problem we have is that some of us Christian force there belief on people when they should let people make a choice to whats right for there life.Don't hurt for parents to be responsible either.
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151.2.2008 13:49

Originally posted by Dela:
well im not gonna get caught up in a religious debate in this thread and i HIGHLY suggest that nobody else does. The only reason for my comment is I saw an obvious double standard and decided to address from from my point of view, I don't need anybody to defend themselves because I didn't attack anybody... well maybe the political group mentioned in this article, that's about it. Remember, I didn't even attack any specific religion or anything like that, I'm just pointing out that what applies to one thing should apply to another and is there anyone here who can say that the comment I made wasn't gonna come from somebody else, especially in these days... and I know some people might object but I said it in a polite way, and mentioned it was "my opinion", im not trying to force it on anyone... just my comment from my perspective.
And i too have nothing but respect for that. I apologize if my reply to your initial post created a mild, polite, religious debate. I was only trying to offer yet another opinion.
And i see where your post is coming from. These days there are more double standards than anything. Especially from "religous" folk. And i certainly was not trying to force my opinion on anyone else.




161.2.2008 14:22

I was like THIS close to joining in the debate that slowly emerged here and realized that it's kinda like the Special Olympics... Even if you win your still.. -ahem- so yeah, definitely an interesting article though.

171.2.2008 15:54

Originally posted by aysah:
I was like THIS close to joining in the debate that slowly emerged here and realized that it's kinda like the Special Olympics... Even if you win your still.. -ahem- so yeah, definitely an interesting article though.
A man not willing to share his thoughts, has no thoughts worthy enough to share. A man of no worthy thoughts condemns only thoughts of others, being oblivious to all but himself.

-ville30

Now you ponder about that for a while.

It is not about winning, it is about expressing yourself. Interaction with others might help us see the light, so to speak or reinforce our own opinions. It is not about who is right or wrong, it is about finding yourself, what matters to you, how you choose to perceive the world or do you choose to be woefully ignorant to the world by only dealing with the material. While the material is important, one needs a spiritual side. We humans are religious by nature, closing our eyes from what is not and what we believe is, is a terrible crime against humanity itself.
Hehehehe I like to get carried away.
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181.2.2008 16:13

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I don't even know why we are giving this group the time of day.. they have a right to their opinions (no matter how flawed) and I have the same right to mine.


so by teling me to chose my words more carefully, even though on the surface agreeing with what they say, you still try to cover the light of realisation.
Ahh but we must protest for the sake of protesting. Protesting is a conduct for our thoughts. Together we are united, while separated we shall crumple.
Illumination is a wonderful gift to offer, but there is a right mean where there is a way. Dirty words will only clog their ears, as dirty water clogs plumbing.

191.2.2008 16:19

Nobody has been silenced for their opinions, instead we try to keep the thread on topic. My original post was on topic as i addressed the group who made the claim and decided to point out what "I think" is a double standard request from this group, but I will admit that they are raising a topic that "any" political party might have risen so if you can put out the Christianity affiliation completely and look at it like that, it's the same old story as has been seen in a lot of countries with regard to these games, but i decided to address the group in a comment based on how I saw it "coming from them".

What I'd like to avoid is a back and forth about God or Christianity that has completely dropped the topic of the news, that's off-topic posting and its the only reason someone will be asked by any mod or staff to stop doing something. But it's all good from here on out anyways :-)

201.2.2008 16:26

As I do not nesacarly disagree with this idea, there are a couple things I'd like to say.
If parents want to be able to regulate what their kids watch.......or play, get involved with your children. Know who your childs friends are, know what shows they watch, know everything you can know. Besides I believe most of the game systems now have a censor built in to not allow underage gaming. Also isn't their already a rating system on games????? Thought I had seen a couple on my games...........maybe not.
Anyway, we the parents need to moniter our children. Not some other organization, because we're to lazy to.
LD

211.2.2008 16:29
varnull
Inactive

Originally posted by ville30:
Originally posted by aysah:
I was like THIS close to joining in the debate that slowly emerged here and realized that it's kinda like the Special Olympics... Even if you win your still.. -ahem- so yeah, definitely an interesting article though.
A man not willing to share his thoughts, has no thoughts worthy enough to share. A man of no worthy thoughts condemns only thoughts of others, being oblivious to all but himself.

-ville30

Now you ponder about that for a while.

It is not about winning, it is about expressing yourself. Interaction with others might help us see the light, so to speak or reinforce our own opinions. It is not about who is right or wrong, it is about finding yourself, what matters to you, how you choose to perceive the world or do you choose to be woefully ignorant to the world by only dealing with the material. While the material is important, one needs a spiritual side. We humans are religious by nature, closing our eyes from what is not and what we believe is, is a terrible crime against humanity itself.
Hehehehe I like to get carried away.
Doctor:: And how did you find yourself this morning?

Patient:: Well I just threw back the covers and there I was

221.2.2008 16:54

Quote:
Originally posted by ville30:
Originally posted by aysah:
I was like THIS close to joining in the debate that slowly emerged here and realized that it's kinda like the Special Olympics... Even if you win your still.. -ahem- so yeah, definitely an interesting article though.
A man not willing to share his thoughts, has no thoughts worthy enough to share. A man of no worthy thoughts condemns only thoughts of others, being oblivious to all but himself.

-ville30

Now you ponder about that for a while.

It is not about winning, it is about expressing yourself. Interaction with others might help us see the light, so to speak or reinforce our own opinions. It is not about who is right or wrong, it is about finding yourself, what matters to you, how you choose to perceive the world or do you choose to be woefully ignorant to the world by only dealing with the material. While the material is important, one needs a spiritual side. We humans are religious by nature, closing our eyes from what is not and what we believe is, is a terrible crime against humanity itself.
Hehehehe I like to get carried away.
Doctor:: And how did you find yourself this morning?

Patient:: Well I just threw back the covers and there I was
I don't get it. :s

231.2.2008 19:15

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@Dela
I certainly don't want to start an argument. But, there are a few things i feel morally obligated to disagree with.

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
I know this is your opinion, but i do not believe the Bible to be a work of fiction. My Dad is a Christian minister and i have grown up immersed in Bible, theology, and religion. I will not argue that parts of it can be gruesome. But no more than watching the nightly news.


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im attacking a book, an inanimate object).

The Bible is a book, an inanimate object, true; But, to believers, it is the inspired Word of God, and therefore carries with it a little more gravity than just another book.

As i said, i do not wish to start a fight, and i'm not attacking your opinions. Just stating as a believer, i felt morally obligated to contest those two things.
Ah yes because non believers are sub human and there opinions do not matter... religion can be very devisesif, if the bible was not tied to religion it would be seen in a very very bad light since it spends a lot of time on punishment/torture,subjugation(on and by).

While its part of religion it should'NT be "labeled" but then again in the hands of the ignorant it can be used as a tool to subjugate and control.

(this is not a knock on faith but on petty shallow moralisim hat infects a part of religion,normally via to many elites with to much time on their hands,yes I have issues with religion/government but I have issues with most human mobs)


As for censoring media its pointless and petty because those who march in the black booted moralist army will never back down from their corrupted high ground because they do want to nanny adults.

With that said lets look at how logic and reason see the issue, you have SOME media that can be questioned if in the hands of minors (15 and under) so if one looks at this with reason and whats for the best of all one can tie the sale of mature media to minors to law ,its the quickest and most painless way to regulate it.

Example Germany and the UK, the SKU dose not outright ban a lot of titles and the funfact of the day is you can still buy them at local shops and thought he net its just out of sight of minors, the Us BBFC has issues with control they have laws that protect minors from buying mature content yet they like banning things, a system that bans anything outside illicit media(childporn,snuff films,ect) is a pompous draconian system that is unneeded in modern socity.

Its simple folks slot the media he age ranges and limit minors access to the more mature media...(if you feel like a large population of your parents are drooling idiots).

I am against censorship thats a indavendaul shtick,zipy has a saying" telling adults they can not have steak will only make more cannibals" , what I am for is precise regulation.

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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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241.2.2008 20:21

So, now it is enough to put the word ' Christian' in your title, and that is supposed to make you, what, honest?
As a breed, politicians are that rarest form of invertebrate, able to explain all their misdeeds as done for the public good, if only the public were to know it. And hopefully slithering away, hoping to have got away with it.
When caught with their hands in the till, those persons stand in amongst their peers to wring their hands and ask for understanding, to wit, that one from Liverpool who "employed his kids".To make amends, this fellow will give up his seat next time round. He should give it up now, and be marched directly to jail. Those people should appear in public in handcuffs.

I say this in all humility. I too, am a Christian.

251.2.2008 20:27
ken9771
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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
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If you do not believe this, visit the following two sites, that will change your mind, that is if you have a mind!

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

261.2.2008 20:47

Originally posted by ken9771:
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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
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If you do not believe this, visit the following two sites, that will change your mind, that is if you have a mind!

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/


Ya even if thos sites are one sided... the bible is graphic and a lot of the pictures in it got removed by the very puritans propering it up... humans are a sick lot :P

However it is part of not a cult but a main religion hell even the side religions should not be labeled like works of fiction..it should be warped in black paper and marked with religion on it :P(I KID!)

Works of religion are just that, that are story's to inspire the flock , idiots use it as a club bu the majority of the faithful are normal people hat enjoy modern entertainment you might even meet them at the pub, even zippy understands religion is more than a child's fight ^_~.

271.2.2008 20:57
ken9771
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In trying to bring this back to the topic, I guess
"those in glass houses should not throw stones" as the saying goes.
These idoits need to look at themselves and the evil book they
try to shove down our throats before they they go out and tell others
what they want censorship applied to.

281.2.2008 21:08

Originally posted by ken9771:
In trying to bring this back to the topic, I guess
"those in glass houses should not throw stones" as the saying goes.
These idoits need to look at themselves and the evil book they
try to shove down our throats before they they go out and tell others
what they want censorship applied to.

tying to right the thread but trolling moa, yer doing itz wrong!

291.2.2008 23:17
UkWizard
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Anyway.. who ever listens to christians..

where did I leave my lions?
LMFAO
No more price rises please they are expensive enough already. We should follow japans ratings system...none. The way it's meant to be

301.2.2008 23:24

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Anyway.. who ever listens to christians..

where did I leave my lions?
LMFAO
No more price rises please they are expensive enough already. We should follow japans ratings system...none. The way it's meant to be
Ya....you do know they censor gore heavily on the console games ,dead rising, RE and few other titles get toned down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_En...ng_Organization

Even have a ratings board as well...

Its annoying on TV anime, censors suck....

311.2.2008 23:57
david89
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i believe Censorship not the answer what need do just inforce the rating system allready inuse like if a games rated m then show your id or something proofs your over 17 years old or whatever.

322.2.2008 3:28

Originally posted by ken9771:
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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
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If you do not believe this, visit the following two sites, that will change your mind, that is if you have a mind!

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/


I visited the first page and found it rather funny since there was for example this in the site:

"If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself."

The guy who created this site might have read the bible yet understand nothing since he thinks that. It's not about reading, it's about understanding. I think that line should be more like:

"If more people would actually sit down not siding with anyone and read and understand the Bible there would be a lot more believers like myself.


And yes, I do think are some gruesome parts in the Bible too. Don't take me wrong.

I apologize for the off topic.

As for the news: I don't really think stricting the rating would do anything. Things would be much better if the parents looked after their kids and not bought some 30+ game to their six year old son.
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332.2.2008 11:24

all these big words make my head hurt...

in any case im not to concerned about this plague ever reaching the shores of America....

As to a religous note. i read the bible all the time, Old testiment. it is funny that alot of people read it and twist it to there will when the bible is in a first person perspective.

there was an old book called My Preacher's A Story Teller

Yes i do not forsee these Hipacrytical Laws being passed in the USA.

342.2.2008 11:39
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But they are already being passed.. all the time. The DMCA was thought up by media monopolies and Republicans.. Bush is a republican, and says he is a christian.. The christian right in US politics are behaving in an unconstitutional way, because with Bush at the helm they can get away with it..and the US public generally being sheep will follow any old nonsense.

352.2.2008 12:28

Just my quick two sense about religion. Most religion either loosly follow their rules or not at all, such as most Christian religions with the statues, images, political influence, etc. Then I see a group who actually do to the letter what the bible says, the jehovahs witnesses. Besides them knocking on your door a little early in the morning they are very good people and yet I see blind hatred twords them. So you get riddiculed for doing the right thing? Just something I've wondered.

362.2.2008 15:50

Originally posted by 21Q:
Just my quick two sense about religion. Most religion either loosly follow their rules or not at all, such as most Christian religions with the statues, images, political influence, etc. Then I see a group who actually do to the letter what the bible says, the jehovahs witnesses. Besides them knocking on your door a little early in the morning they are very good people and yet I see blind hatred twords them. So you get riddiculed for doing the right thing? Just something I've wondered.
because when a humble religion is passive the bigger meaner religions pick on it, human nature after all.

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I ranted to GP and it got posted. =0-o=
http://gamepolitics.com/2008/02/02/in-fi...r-violence-sex/
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372.2.2008 16:04

Not that I have anything against JW's, 21Q,you being one and all, just that, even those, given any kind of a chance at all, will be all over you, before you can take a breath. I have had that experience. First they help you with the dishes, or the gardening, or whatever little job you may be at when they come, next thing they are doing the hoovering and making your beds, and once they are inside the door, there is no getting rid of them. And I do not believe that the Lord intended for this invasion to happen.
So, truly, they are no better, no worse than any of the other pushers out there. I reckon it would be all right if they did this for a hobby, annoying other people that is, but they are dedicated meddlers.
And that is why I do not believe that they are any better/worse than those politicians who preach at you while picking your pockets.

382.2.2008 16:57

Unfortunately I can agree with you....

393.2.2008 10:23

That and knocking on my door at 6:00 am in the morning is bound to get somebody hurt ;> ..

Bush is a Moron, sorry no love for polititions, I have my reasons.

403.2.2008 13:48

Originally posted by DXR88:
That and knocking on my door at 6:00 am in the morning is bound to get somebody hurt ;> ..

Bush is a Moron, sorry no love for polititions, I have my reasons.
Zippy invites them in for tea and questions why is god wrathful and hatefull on his people that Christ sacrificed himself to save regardless if they know of him or not =^^=

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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413.2.2008 15:15

I would answer that but I dont want to escalate this debate.

423.2.2008 18:18

Aw, 21Q, go on, for all you know, you may have the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Answer, and save us the torment of thinking you know something that we do not.

4322.2.2008 18:55

I think that the age warnings have to be on the games however i do not think sales people ask for idea when a customer wants to buy a game whereas they have to ask for i.d if the suspect the person to be a minor.

4422.2.2008 19:34

What's the word there, Borhan 9. I am no longer sure what it was we were discussing. Perhaps you would care to reason with us for a while longer, so we know what is being talked about.

4522.2.2008 19:37

Sorry about this, Borhan 9. I have just realised that the discussion was about the finns and their xtian groups. I am almost certain that it was them that went out to Africa with their beads, and their stories and tried to take away the native riches against gold and ivory finds.
Maybe I am wrong.

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