LMAO the Indian screaming on the treadmill is a classic :P

Sorry, but I have to say... If it was a white guy or something it'd be just as funny lmao

Awww a few anti Islam sentiments expressed on YouTube and they close it down. Maybe if Islam wasn't backed by a huge number of people who despise every other religion there wouldn't be any anti Islam sentiments!

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Awww a few anti Islam sentiments expressed on YouTube and they close it down. Maybe if Islam wasn't backed by a huge number of people who despise every other religion there wouldn't be any anti Islam sentiments!

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How much more fucking ignorant can you be?
Apparantly Muslims hate people of every other religion? What bullshit, someone's clearly not done their research. You some kind of hick? (excuse my language).
Sorry, it just gets me frustrated when people insult Religions with total ignorance. (Not saying religion is right blah blah)

As for the news topic itself, an anti - Islamic movie huh? I'm gonna go check if there's been any other movie that's anti- x religion.
You can blatantly tell what this Dutch guys aim is, to turn others against Islam just by filming factors that are only true in certain areas. E.g. Muslim man beats his wife. This idiot director will CLAIM this is what Islam is about, when it's just that families dilemma.
Argh.......there goes my rant for today...

Read my statement again. I said a large number not all of them. You know what I hate? When a bunch of Muslims come to my country and try to change laws and everything else to suit them! I never asked you to come here. I wish Muslims would stay in their own countries if they feel they want to change everything when they get here. Go live near Mecca and have it your own way!

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Read my statement again. I said a large number not all of them. You know what I hate? When a bunch of Muslims come to my country and try to change laws and everything else to suit them! I never asked you to come here. I wish Muslims would stay in their own countries if they feel they want to change everything when they get here. Go live near Mecca and have it your own way!

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Ha, another misconception, what makes you think I'm Muslim just because I'm not biased? Well anyway this whole thing about Muslims trying to incorporate Shari'a Law is an interesting topic. Was discussing this with a couple of Philosophers the other day. And I realised how blown out of proportion the media has made this situation.

Let's get one thing straight Muslims are not trying to over throw our current Law with theirs so that they can live happily ever after, No.
They just want Western countries to realise that there are CERTAIN laws that can benefit the West (minor lessons from the East, if you will).
One example is a dowry (but in this case it's the groom that pays the woman). In case there's a divorce or the groom dies, the bride can stay financially secured with the butt load of money the groom/ groom's family gave her. Currently we have this in a form of a ring but we have no Law to prevent this fraud. The husband can just say "Ok, we're divorced give me my ring back now".

So, before hating as such. I'd advise you to do further reading when you read topical issues like this.
Muslims aren't saying that we should have a Law that allows us to behead thieves etc. No, that's ridiculous- and that's precisely what Conservative media likes to show.

All in all, Muslims just want certain laws from Shari'a that can benefit the West. If it was such a silly idea to replace the current Law with Shari'a to benefit Muslims, I sincerely doubt that this debate in Parliament would take so long. (if it was silly, would they not have out right declared NO to these Muslims? They're still deciding upon it)
Regards-

I don't like religion at all. Causes too much trouble.

Originally posted by esrever:

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I don't like religion at all. Causes too much trouble.

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I have to agree; quite frankly deeply religious people scare the crap out of me. I’m not going to elaborate or go into detail simply put I don't trust any large organized religion.

I don’t want to offend anyone and this is only my opinion.

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I have to agree; quite frankly deeply religious people scare the crap out of me. I’m not going to elaborate or go into detail simply put I don't trust any large organized religion.

I don’t want to offend anyone and this is only my opinion.

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The same can be said about politics, racism, etc. So you can't just point the finger at religion.

Heil! government HEIL! protect us from the reality free thought so you ca sue us for tools in war and taxes!

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I don't like religion at all. Causes too much trouble.

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I have to agree; quite frankly deeply religious people scare the crap out of me. I’m not going to elaborate or go into detail simply put I don't trust any large organized religion.

I don’t want to offend anyone and this is only my opinion.

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The same can be said about politics, racism, etc. So you can't just point the finger at religion.

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Yeah, but I don't think its caused as near as many deaths. Kill the catholics kill the protestants kill the jews kill the muslims, etc....
It will be going on forever it seems

I think we should gather up the religious.. those "believers in lies by nothing more than blind faith" and gas the lot of em..

Make some room on our overcrowded planet for all us "right thinkers" ;)

Originally posted by varnull:

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I think we should gather up the religious.. those "believers in lies by nothing more than blind faith" and gas the lot of em..

Make some room on our overcrowded planet for all us "right thinkers" ;)

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put them sheeple on the burners mm mm good!
:P

I have a feeling that that's just what's gonna have to happen... I have a feeling that there's gonna be something that knocks out millions and its gonna be set by some governments just to make room on the Earth, that or find a way to use the planets around us...

Just my theory lol

Or the sun supernovas and incinerates our planet in less than 5 seconds.

edited by ddp due to extreme racist\genocide comments

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lmao, I was waiting for that one ddp!

some people never learn. oh well it keeps us mods in good target practice.

there are scary extremist groups in every religion, you just have to go to Mid West America/ The Bible Belt to see just how scary right wing Republican christians can be - unless you are married for 20 years and have produced 12 children and go to church twenty times a week, they believe you should be shot.
having said that, it does seem that the most "popular" extreme reactionist groups belong to Islam - from the Salman Rushdie incident to the Danish cartoonist to the English teacher in Sudan who was jailed with crowds calling for her execution because her Muslim students decided to call the class teddy bear Mohammed - it does make you think that if these people have such absolute faith and belief in the divinity and righteousness of their own faith - why do they have to react so hysterically when a non believer ( infidel ) decides to make a joke or even an innocent mistake ( the tedy bear )
I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a group of friends in Birmingham (UK) when one of them (a Muslim) gave us a lecture on the reason why he never engaged in our political or religious discussions " because my religion is superior to yours and we are superior in general " - I then questioned if he felt that way why he did not live a 100% Muslim way of life and return to pakistan where he was born ( until I discovered that he had 4 kids and had never worked a day in his life ( had been claiming social security for 8 years ) and couldn't afford to go home as the government provided no state assistance or long term unemployment benefit.Yeah, really superior huh ?
I feel if they were really so secure and confident in their own belief then they could easily rise above such trivial concerns - the reaction betrays their insecurity more than anything else....exactly the same as the reaction of Scientologists in the states when anybody dares to question them and is then vilified in public and followed by big black vans with tinted glass.

Wouldn't it be great if one day we could have absolute proof that "God" didn't exist ? What I would pay to see the looks on the faces of all these stupid people, whatever their religion when they finally realise all their hysteria and obsession was for nothing.

On another note, they said on the BBC News today that the Pakistani blocking of youtube had triggered a worldwide effect and due to dns issues, the entire site was down for the entire world for 2 hours yesterday - is that true ?

domie

I look at religion as a form of media, and use the train of thought, "fanboys are for lulz" the or the fagotry is getting think in here.


(Zippyisim alert(a zippyisim is a misconstrued/warped sentence/word group mixing meanings and themes for humor or to make a point.

fagotry post modern:" total stupidity usually marked by deceit or double crossing" or a screw up thats painfully annoying.

fagotry: pre modern:(at least the zippy version there of) the job of making bundles of sticks.


appolgies if Iz offend.

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Originally posted by esrever:

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I don't like religion at all. Causes too much trouble.

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I have to agree; quite frankly deeply religious people scare the crap out of me. I’m not going to elaborate or go into detail simply put I don't trust any large organized religion.

I don’t want to offend anyone and this is only my opinion.

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The same can be said about politics, racism, etc. So you can't just point the finger at religion.

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Yeah, but I don't think its caused as near as many deaths. Kill the catholics kill the protestants kill the jews kill the muslims, etc....
It will be going on forever it seems

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Religious fanatics are a problem true. But the core issue is about intolerance. And poltics and racism has killed just as many people if not more.

World War II was about Facist Germany...tens of millions were killed in that war.

Communism vs Democracy...lead to many wars has killed millions

Serbian-Bosnian-Croatian war...they all hated each other and the ensuing war killed close to a million.

Welcome back to the Middle Ages!

I've seen to much murder and death in the name of religion...edited by ddp religion....Please excuse the explitives, but I feel very strongly about this.

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It's shame that people buy what media says, which is usually greatly exaggerated. I ask anyone, who approves of what media says, to please do a little research on your own and find out the truth for yourselves. Islam is by no means violent and unfair toward women. It's a peaceful religion and if you look into it, you'll know women are treated equally to man in different ways. Every religion has extremists who are bent on bending the rules to suit their own fantasies. They believe that by going to such extremities, they'll be in Lord's good graces, that they are carrying out Lord's will. If that's how it's supposed to be, then I guess Bush government is too a terrorist. Isn't what he's doing to Iraq just a selfish act to get oil resources? Wasn't U.S. the one who armed Iraq with weapons? Didn't all the fuss about Weapons of Mass Destruction turned out be folly? And they said their "intelligence" gathered that info.

This guy Wilders, is nothing but a ignorant fool. I feel compel to use much filthier word for him, but will not. He is only giving one side of the story, and that is hardly the right way to have credibility. I only fear what effect the movie will have on the world.

I am not trying to be preachy, but asking everyone to please look before you act or say. Let's all try to get along, putting aside the differences.

Do you think anyone who disagrees with your view is speaking from ignorance?
Islam is a patriarchal religion that has changed very little through the centuries. So of course women are still regarded as inferiors.
And any culture that cannot tolerate opinions contrary to its own is simply not civilised. Free speech is a part, and sometimes a price, of liberty.
I remember the furore about the cartoons that were printed in the Dutch press. Muslims around the world were calling for the deaths of the people responsible. In London, Muslims were marching carrying placards 'Behead the infidels' etc.
There are certainly extremists in most religions, but I think many people will agree with me that Islam seems to have more, and more extreme, extremists than any other faith.

Do you defend the action of the Pakistani government? Or was the whole thing an exaggeration? Did we imagine it?

I second everything Sebright wrote.

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There are certainly extremists in most religions, but I think many people will agree with me that Islam seems to have more, and more extreme, extremists than any other faith.

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On the contrary, I would say that Islamic extremists have been shown on the media more and more since 2001, not to be picky here but we do have quite a lot of extremists in Christianity too such as Army of God, Aryan Nations, Christian Identity. But these are just organizations, what about Jehova's Witness', and and extreme one that's been around for centuries is the Ku Klux Klan (white supremisists). The Catholic revolutionaries were also part of the Gunpowder Plot. Not to mention the call for an assassination on Hugo Chávez just 2 or 3 years ago.

I see what you mean, and I agree- that we see a lot of Islamic terrorists (and it's a headache), but I sincerely doubt this religion has the most. Not that it matters anyway- let's just replace the word 'terrorists' as 'idiots' now in this thread.

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Do you think anyone who disagrees with your view is speaking from ignorance?
Islam is a patriarchal religion that has changed very little through the centuries. So of course women are still regarded as inferiors.
And any culture that cannot tolerate opinions contrary to its own is simply not civilised. Free speech is a part, and sometimes a price, of liberty.
I remember the furore about the cartoons that were printed in the Dutch press. Muslims around the world were calling for the deaths of the people responsible. In London, Muslims were marching carrying placards 'Behead the infidels' etc.
There are certainly extremists in most religions, but I think many people will agree with me that Islam seems to have more, and more extreme, extremists than any other faith.

Do you defend the action of the Pakistani government? Or was the whole thing an exaggeration? Did we imagine it?

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Well if you say Islam has changed very little over the centuries, then yes, I will say that you are speaking from ignorance. Do you know what "ignorance" means? In case you don't here is a quoted meaning from a dictionary: "the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc."

Now that you got that, what do you know of Islam? You say it hasn't changed, let me tell you, it's not suppose to change. Does any religion changes from what it was all those years ago. No, at least not that I know of, I would be glad if you could give me an example though. It's the "people" that have to accommodate to modern times while still following their religion; looking to it for guidance: make no mistake Islam has given all guidelines one needs, but who now days really follows their religion accordingly, except for minorities. Just like Darhadou said, blame media for making Islam the focus of religious extremists, certainly it's not the only one. And if you would dismiss the fact that governments have nothing to do with any of these terrorist acts, then you need to open your eyes my friend. Nothing that happens in this world conforms to linear pattern, there's more going on than what we know.

For the record, Islam is open to anyone's opinion as long as they are in certain limits, especially for Muslims it's even stricter even if those opinions contradict its own, so yes you're wrong about Islam or culture that follows Islam being not civilized. Free speech? Yes that's our right, but to what extent? Now in Islam, Prophets are held very dear and to say anything against them, is disrespectful. If only you knew the history of Islam, you would know why. And please don't look in Wikipedia or anything like that for info. Many of commercial sites have been found to be false.

*Regarding that dispute over the cartoons. Well Free Speech is one thing, but there is also respect, isn't there? Or are you trying to say Media should be disrespectful toward others. Say what you want, but do it within boundaries of what's held right and wrong by people of that particular religion or belief. It's the same thing as if someone spreading false rumors about you or your family and the consequences that would follow. Would you like that sort of thing happening to your family? No, right. That's what it feels like.

*Also remember, to be completely free is to welcome total chaos, that's why there are rules in this world. As long as there are rules, no one is completely free.

Did you hear what tortures were committed upon prisoners in Iraq by U.S. army personnel? Let's just say they were barbaric. And I thought those soldiers were suppose to be civilized.

Women are not, I repeat not, regarded as inferiors. Do you really know how many rights a woman has that could make a man jealous of her? Many. And if you are referring to women being forced to cover up, than it's for their own good: just imagine the number of rapes that would decrease if woman covered up. But first, let me clarify: Woman can choose to not cover if they want to, nobody can force them, Islam asks them to follow it with their own will, not by someone else's. Even a Muslim is uneducated in Islam him or herself, just like Christianity and Buddhism and any other religions have people uneducated in their ways. So they act upon their limited knowledge not knowing what they are really doing. So please don't jump to conclusions.

I am not sure of what to make of the action of Pakistani government, in fact I don't even like the people that run the show there. But for myself, I believe an individual him or herself should know what's best for them and their beliefs by being "Educated" in their choice of religion.

Blah blah.. Islam is a totalitarian and intolerant religion.. It seeks to dominate by ignorance, lies and oppression. Since when has the public beheading of women been the actions of a civilized government? Never, that's when.

Islam needs to drag itself out of the ignorant dark ages and get with the program, otherwise there can be no place in the future for it.

As for extremists.. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.. depends which side you are on.. but it's funny that the countries where these suicide bombers and extremists operate are all democratic countries.. where even the extremists have the right to voice an opinion and believe what they want.




If you want my personal opinion.. I think we should assasinate the governments of extreme islamic countries to give all the decent muslims a chance to taste freedom from the oppression of the mosque.
We should also do away with the violent warmongering oil greedy christian right in the USA for exactly the same reason.. trying to make a global America and forcing their values and views on me.

I truly believe you have the right fo follow any faith you want however stupid and ignorant.. so long as it does not attempt to enforce behaviour or belief on others..

/me has teh nukez, and me is prepared to use them.. stone age here we come.

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Blah blah.. Islam is a totalitarian and intolerant religion.. It seeks to dominate by ignorance, lies and oppression. Since when has the public beheading of women been the actions of a civilized government? Never, that's when.

Islam needs to drag itself out of the ignorant dark ages and get with the program, otherwise there can be no place in the future for it.

As for extremists.. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.. depends which side you are on.. but it's funny that the countries where these suicide bombers and extremists operate are all democratic countries.. where even the extremists have the right to voice an opinion and believe what they want.




If you want my personal opinion.. I think we should assasinate the governments of extreme islamic countries to give all the decent muslims a chance to taste freedom from the oppression of the mosque.
We should also do away with the violent warmongering oil greedy christian right in the USA for exactly the same reason.. trying to make a global America and forcing their values and views on me.

I truly believe you have the right fo follow any faith you want however stupid and ignorant.. so long as it does not attempt to enforce behaviour or belief on others..

/me has teh nukez, and me is prepared to use them.. stone age here we come.

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1. You know, that first line really proves my point that you're nothing but an ignorant fool. As for a totalitarian and intolerant religion...umm...I don't think so. I think Bush government is more of a totalitarian seeker than any other, it's not Islam who's trying to take over the world and tell other what to do now is it? Beheading, well that just proves my another point, even Muslims are ignorant of their own religion and take things to extremities. Those ignorant fools also include politicians who make up the rules, not just citizens, so things like women beheading isn't really Islam's fault. I know S.A. has that sort of government, they behead or kill someone for stupidest of things, but that's its governing system not Islam's.

2. Get itself out of the dark ages, yeah right. It's far too complex for your feeble mind to ever understand of what Islam truly is. Unless your courteous enough to give it a chance.

3. Assassinate extremist governments? Well I am sure glad that's not how Islam works. It doesn't seeks to destroy any other government unless that government brings war to Islam's door steps, that's the only time taking of life is ever allowed, and I'm sure that's how war works. But war is only the last resort, peace talk is always the priority. As far as oppression of mosque goes, well any "true" Muslim will tell you they don't feel oppressed at all and are thankful for the amount of freedom Islam gives them.

i think we had better leave religon alone as all it will do here is cause a flamewar that we mods will have to take care of. AGREED!!??

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Yes please, thank you.

Yes, certainly a good idea to close the discussion with the pro-Islamic voice having the last word, and accusing anyone who doesn't agree of ignorance. But don't worry, that's my last post on this thread.

Nothing wrong with some debating.

Its strange you dont hear people complaining about italians or budhists. You do about islam for many reasons,

-9/11
-suicide bombings
-homophobia
-non-tolerance of other religions
-sexism
-violence
-jihad
-genocide
-hate
-islam itself was born out of violence, look at mohamad he actually conquered and killed non-believers.

Jesus, moses, budha, abraham, confucius, never preached violence or picked up a sword. now you see the real difference between islam and the other religions in the world.

There once was a peaceful sect of islam that didn not believe in violence , they were killed of by extremists.

All I know is that the world would be a much peacefull place if this violent islam did not exist.

Adamontar, christians have killed their fair share of people. look at the crusades of the 10th to 12th century as they killed jews, christians & muslims. the muslims were more tolerant when they held most of spain then the roman catholics did afterward. this violence only became prevalent after the 2nd world war. it was 2 americans who killed more people at once till 9/11 happened. all religions have their extremists & til they are dealt with, there will always be problems. look at northern ireland, protestants versus the catholics.

The crusades were just as you had muslim arab invaders, and turks attacking. The crusades were there to protect christian pilgrims, and protect the holy land from them. Remember the muslims were the ones who destroyed the sassinide empire in the middle east which was made up of christians, jews and zarostians.

how much killing did the muslims have to do to conquer spain.
I doubt that spain was more tolerant and would be more tolerant if it was muslim, not roman catholic. In spain in this roman catholic country you have such freedom that is unheard of in muslims countries. Just look at morroco, egypt you can get your hands cut off. Yuck. thats how spain could of been.

besides if you ask any person in the world were would they want to live in a 100% muslim country or anywhere else you know what the answer would be.

Yes its true religion does have its fanatics, but there is a difference between the ones who pray for you, then kill you.

When the davinci code was made was anyone ever killed, cinema bombed when it was made. I doubt it would be the same if it was a anti-muslim movie.

Adamontar
That was a cover to get all the able bodied men out of the country because unrest was brewing, nothing calms the public like a good war and holy fck governments still do it today.

My point being the crusades were a army sent to qualm border disputes that wound up being a frocking massacrer and because it was so vile it sent parts of Islam back 200 years and because of that we have the warring tribes of today.

Most of Islam at that time was a academic wonderland with a few battle lusting hate mongers, think of the US today and its ideological oxymoronic Christian leaders take them and their war/control lust and use them as a reason to destroy the US now add a waring chaotic army to it and as they go from place to place both sides bring more devastation and hatred as they go along.

Christianity is about as pure as the driven snow in a blood filled balltefiled.....

With that sad...it would help if Islam could separate itself from its conservatives sadly they are stuck about 500ish years in the past, you have the old mindsets the protection of modern thought and hardcore traditions and the tribal system ensures chaos rains and from a societal standpoint its the tribal system that keeps them so easily mislead.

of coarse I could start in over the fou democracy thats the US..I mean really..its more a aristocratic government were the peasant gets to gamble on which preselected candidate in the form of a vote. *rolls eyes*

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