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PlayStation 3 will be profitable by August, says analyst

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 22 Apr 2008 17:48 User comments (63)

PlayStation 3 will be profitable by August, says analyst Nikko Citigroup analysts have upgraded their rating for Sony Corporation citing their anticipation that the company will break even or even turn a profit on the PlayStation 3 beginning in August.
If their prediction is accurate, then Sony will break even at least three months earlier than analysts had previously speculated. Sony itself was not sure when it would hit profitability on the console and Sony's Kaz Hirai said that the company would was shooting for the fiscal year beginning April 2008.

Sony has always said that PS3 production costs will only ever hit break even point when the "65nm Cell processor and the 90nm are shrunk to smaller, cheaper-to-manufacture sizes, and that comes with the side effect of drawing less power and creating less heat."

It should be interesting to see when profitability occurs because may lead to more price cuts for the consumer.


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122.4.2008 18:59

ok dont get me wrong here, but just wanted to ask. Has the "XboX" made a profit yet for Microsoft , i heard somewhere they stil haven't made any profit on the Xbox and Xbox 360 Brands. Is this true?

222.4.2008 19:03

Originally posted by ammad123:
ok dont get me wrong here, but just wanted to ask. Has the "XboX" made a profit yet for Microsoft , i heard somewhere they stil haven't made any profit on the Xbox and Xbox 360 Brands. Is this true?
I pretty sure Microsoft has made a profit off the 360 but what hard to figure out is how much RROD is costing them which is eating into there profit big time.

322.4.2008 22:16

I was under the impression that the X-Box had a huge writedown do the the RROD issue. I believe that ate up their profits.

The PS3 is doing well, especially considering how few games it has.

423.4.2008 0:33

I heard that MS spent more than a billion dollars on RROD repairs alone. If MS never had that problem they'd be up in profits alot. As well XBL is very successful so im sure Xbox is making some profit. I could see the PS3 making profit by then. I wonder how sales will be with MGS4 coming soon. PS3's first exclusive big game i think anyways lol

523.4.2008 3:17

Yes it is a shame to lose profits to the RROD. Thought the only way the ps3 would make profits would be from selling the games. Wonder if we'll still be in a recession by then.

623.4.2008 10:16

Originally posted by TBandit:
Yes it is a shame to lose profits to the RROD. Thought the only way the ps3 would make profits would be from selling the games. Wonder if we'll still be in a recession by then.
ROCK the Vote BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the only way....


This would make perfect timing for Sony Because they have GT4 this month HAZE next month MGS4 June then Killzone & Socom Sept(one on those games will be push back)Then Resistance 2 in Nov which i expect to see a price cut no more than 50 bucks.

723.4.2008 10:36

Ok. a real question on the topic.......

the "cheaper-to-manufacture" statement gets me worried. If this will most likely drop the price of the PS3 again, wouldnt this also mean that the newer cheaper PS3's will be more prone to hardware failure? cheap parts to me means its easier to fail on you. Since Xbox is mentioned on a PS3 thread, then isnt thats what was happend to the 360 with the so called Ring of death or read light. I know I didnt get the terminology precise cuz Im not an Xbox owner/fan.

And it also depends on how much of drawing less power and creating less heat will actually help. This is mainly concerning the 40gb model, that happens to not have PS2 playability. Most likely there wont be any backwards compatible ps3's anymore. Just my lil theory.

823.4.2008 12:05

Originally posted by gkmpb4:
Ok. a real question on the topic.......

the "cheaper-to-manufacture" statement gets me worried. If this will most likely drop the price of the PS3 again, wouldnt this also mean that the newer cheaper PS3's will be more prone to hardware failure? cheap parts to me means its easier to fail on you. Since Xbox is mentioned on a PS3 thread, then isnt thats what was happend to the 360 with the so called Ring of death or read light. I know I didnt get the terminology precise cuz Im not an Xbox owner/fan.

And it also depends on how much of drawing less power and creating less heat will actually help. This is mainly concerning the 40gb model, that happens to not have PS2 playability. Most likely there wont be any backwards compatible ps3's anymore. Just my lil theory.
Don't confuse cheaper with lower quality.

With technology, cost can drop and quality can improve simultaneously. Just look at today's plasmas compared to yesterday's. You can get the same size 1080p set for about half of what you used to pay for 720p sets. Better set, lower cost. That's simply the nature of technology improvements.

Cost savings can come in a varitey of ways that in no way compromises quality - especially when you're talking computer chips. Just look at how much faster PCs are than yesterday, and at such comparably low prices. Yesterday's high end chips can be found in today's bargain models, and there's nothing worse quality wise about it just because it got cheaper.

923.4.2008 12:42

Originally posted by gkmpb4:
Ok. a real question on the topic.......

the "cheaper-to-manufacture" statement gets me worried. If this will most likely drop the price of the PS3 again, wouldnt this also mean that the newer cheaper PS3's will be more prone to hardware failure? cheap parts to me means its easier to fail on you. Since Xbox is mentioned on a PS3 thread, then isnt thats what was happend to the 360 with the so called Ring of death or read light. I know I didnt get the terminology precise cuz Im not an Xbox owner/fan.

And it also depends on how much of drawing less power and creating less heat will actually help. This is mainly concerning the 40gb model, that happens to not have PS2 playability. Most likely there wont be any backwards compatible ps3's anymore. Just my lil theory.
The 360 was made from the start to have the RROD. I have sent mine back 5 times...yes 5 times ..but I still love it...My PS3 has had no problems....and I have had BOTH since the day of the launch

1023.4.2008 13:17

From what I understand the Xbox started of with a 5B debt that transfered to the 360, now the 360 managed to eat that until the RROD issues added 3B, I think they are under 2B now and Sony is 2-4B in debt on the PS3 and hugely in debt to BR.

Corporate debt LULZ

1123.4.2008 14:37
r0b0t3ch
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Turning a profit for the PS3 is awesome news!! Profitibility means lower game prices and soon to be "Greatest Hits" pricing too as well as lower hardware pricing. I don't have one yet but it may be in my immediate future because of this.

1223.4.2008 15:29

This is good for consumers,yes. i dont expect to see another price drop for about a year.

Also lower pricing on a console does not make games cheaper by far.
Games make Games cheaper. least the company fixs the price for a Contract, example would be Halo3 400 million copies, still no price cut.

1323.4.2008 15:46
r0b0t3ch
Inactive

Originally posted by DXR88:
This is good for consumers,yes. i dont expect to see another price drop for about a year.

Also lower pricing on a console does not make games cheaper by far.
Games make Games cheaper. least the company fixs the price for a Contract, example would be Halo3 400 million copies, still no price cut.

You completely and totally misinterpreted what I said, but that's alright.

I never said anything about "lower price on console bringing lower prices to games"

What I did say (and I will paraphrase my own comment) is that PROFITIBILITY means lower prices on hardware AND on games. In case you were out of the loop and did not know............Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo (as well as any others) all take major losses on the production of the systems (hardware) until the game production/sales eventually catch up and 'turn profits'. This article is about "The PS3 being profitable which is the hardware they are referring to which in turn means that the software sales is catching up with the costs incurred to manufacture the system and hence will result in lower prices for both games and H/W. If you disagree, well then...................you're just wrong.
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1423.4.2008 15:55

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Originally posted by DXR88:
This is good for consumers,yes. i dont expect to see another price drop for about a year.

Also lower pricing on a console does not make games cheaper by far.
Games make Games cheaper. least the company fixs the price for a Contract, example would be Halo3 400 million copies, still no price cut.

You completely and totally misinterpreted what I said, but that's alright.

I never said anything about "lower price on console bringing lower prices to games"

What I did say (and I will paraphrase my own comment) is that PROFITIBILITY means lower prices on hardware AND on games. In case you were out of the loop and did not know............Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo (as well as any others) all take major losses on the production of the systems (hardware) until the game production/sales eventually catch up and 'turn profits'. This article is about "The PS3 being profitable which is the hardware they are referring to which in turn means that the software sales is catching up with the costs incurred to manufacture the system and hence will result in lower prices for both games and H/W. If you disagree, well then...................you're just wrong.
clarification of wut

Are you saying that prices will go down on both H/W and games because they sale better?

That is a incorrect statement, hardware revisions come about due to trying to save money on new unit sales which in turn can lower the price on them, "new new" game price is set by the mentality of the industry and rarely dose it go down.....new reprint games or classic hits lines are not "new" games they are repacked games set at a price 10-20$ lower than it's launch price.

1523.4.2008 16:37
r0b0t3ch
Inactive

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by DXR88:
This is good for consumers,yes. i dont expect to see another price drop for about a year.

Also lower pricing on a console does not make games cheaper by far.
Games make Games cheaper. least the company fixs the price for a Contract, example would be Halo3 400 million copies, still no price cut.

You completely and totally misinterpreted what I said, but that's alright.

I never said anything about "lower price on console bringing lower prices to games"

What I did say (and I will paraphrase my own comment) is that PROFITIBILITY means lower prices on hardware AND on games. In case you were out of the loop and did not know............Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo (as well as any others) all take major losses on the production of the systems (hardware) until the game production/sales eventually catch up and 'turn profits'. This article is about "The PS3 being profitable which is the hardware they are referring to which in turn means that the software sales is catching up with the costs incurred to manufacture the system and hence will result in lower prices for both games and H/W. If you disagree, well then...................you're just wrong.
clarification of wut

Are you saying that prices will go down on both H/W and games because they sale better?

That is a incorrect statement, hardware revisions come about due to trying to save money on new unit sales which in turn can lower the price on them, "new new" game price is set by the mentality of the industry and rarely dose it go down.....new reprint games or classic hits lines are not "new" games they are repacked games set at a price 10-20$ lower than it's launch price.

Thanks for confirming what I said. Never said it was BRAND NEW games that will come down in price but that games will LOWER in price. Madden 08 for XBox and Rainbow Six Vegas are now 29.99. Much sooner than normal and much sooner than compared with PS2 at the time. My point was that games "will lower in price" and they will. Sooner and quicker. They will hit Greatest Hits a bit quicker since PS3 is in a profit margin than if not.

So be quiet Zippy and "Zip the lip" because as always..........you're too stupid to talk!

1623.4.2008 16:59
varnull
Inactive

Here we go again.... more speculation from the ANALists leading to more flaming.

True statement.. Lies, Damn Lies, Market Trends, Statistics.

"20 million to one resolution in dna testing" ... that means there are 3 people in the UK right now who will in a dna test look exactly like me.... so much for statistics. They can be twisted to the point you want to make way too easily.

Probability.. same crap based on statistics.. "You have more chance of being killed by a meteorite than of winning the lottery", yet in the whole of human history nobody has ever been proven to have been killed by a meteorite... somebody wins the lottery most weeks. That tells me it must be rigged otherwise nobody would ever win and people would stop buying tickets....

It's all crap.

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1723.4.2008 17:09

Back on topic:


Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
Madden 08 for XBox and Rainbow Six Vegas are now 29.99.
The price for Madden always drop around the holidays i don't think that has anything to do with what your talking about.It depend on self life before games drop in price.
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1823.4.2008 17:12
goodswipe
Inactive

Originally posted by NexGen76:
Back on topic:


Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
Madden 08 for XBox and Rainbow Six Vegas are now 29.99.
This price for Madden always drop around the holidays i don't think that has anything to do with what your talking about.
Holidays? You talking about Truck Month? LOL! Damn I hate those commercials...

Quote:
It's that time of the year again in Texas, it's Truck Month. Not the fake Chevy Truck Month but the real Ford Truck Month with its stampede of savings. Truck Month actually seems to cover the last part of February and all of March, they must have had those accountants at Anderson work that one out.

I used to own a truck, but I still hate Truck Month. Constant repetition of the advertisment and its stampede of savings just drives me batty. The stampede really is illustrated in the TV ad by a line for Ford trucks racing towards the camera.

1923.4.2008 17:13
r0b0t3ch
Inactive

I don't think I'm quite sure where you are going with that statement Varnull but I will say this..............Market trends, statistics and especially "Trends" in general are good to go by. Trust me on this one. It's the "trends" that people (sheeple) go through and allow insightful individuals like myself to stay a step or three ahead of people such as yourself.

This is great!! I just hope you keep thinking that way and don't succumb to these "trends".............that way I'll keep predicting your next potentially dangerous, incriminating or risky move in life. I will inevitably benefit from whatever you do every time.

Lesson is: Life is all about trends. Not all 6.5 billion people do the exact same thing but people like me are aware of the "trends" that certain individuals will go through.


"Truck Month" .....How true. HILARIOUS!!!

He only mentioned Madden going down before X-Mas. Not to 29.99 amigo. That low price is because the XBox is pulling into a "profit zone".

It's totally apparently that very few people know little or nothing about business. Not the case with me so your arguments are moot and futile and meaningless generally.

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2023.4.2008 17:25
goodswipe
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Sense we are on the topic of "trends" and "statistics", what are the chances that r0b0 will get canned again?

If you go r0b0, be sure to send me your new account info. ;)

BTW, you know about Texas Truck Month?

Originally posted by r0b0m4n:
so your arguments are moot and futile
LOL!



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2123.4.2008 17:39
r0b0t3ch
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Quote:
Sense we are on the topic of "trends" and "statistics", what are the chances that r0b0 will get canned again?

If you go r0b0, be sure to send me your new account info. ;)

BTW, you know about Texas Truck Month?

Originally posted by r0b0m4n:
so your arguments are moot and futile
LOL!




I'm that dude on the left. Hey! Ya' think THOSE TWO know about "Truck Month"?? GOD I hope so.

You already know our little "topic" (df baby!) So I will make that clear but I haven't really done much wrong and have confidence I may be able to stay. Shhhh

2223.4.2008 18:06

Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
allow insightful individuals like myself to stay a step or three ahead of people such as yourself.

Lmao....clueless

Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
He only mentioned Madden going down before X-Mas. Not to 29.99 amigo. That low price is because the XBox is pulling into a "profit zone".
Like i said clueless Madden on all consoles seen the price drop not just XBOX.Because a console is profitable has nothing to do with game prices going down.Retailers can adjust there own game prices not Sony....Sony & Microsoft only set Hardware prices.
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2323.4.2008 18:19

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Originally posted by DXR88:


So be quiet Zippy and "Zip the lip" because as always..........you're too stupid to talk!
I agree...This is a non gamer trying to start $hit with no first-hand knowledge...He does not own any gaming system from the last 20 years...still playing SEGA GENESIS and added the 32x and calls that next gen....Find your own opinion first hand instead of regurgitating things you read...

This is not a attack...its from reading all his combative comments for the last year +..........

2423.4.2008 18:32
varnull
Inactive

Quote:
Trust me on this one. It's the "trends" that people (sheeple) go through and allow insightful individuals like myself to stay a step or three ahead of people such as yourself.

Trust me.. it is idiots with that opinion.. watching trends and claiming to "be one step ahead" that end up bankrupt.

I'm sick to death (as are lots of people with very long track records on this site) with the constant malu cachu about what analists predict.

Do we give a cach whether sony turn a profit this month.. next month or never? Is it relevant to the consumer in any way shape or form? NO.

So I suggest.. respectfully.. that you cau dy ffwcin ceg and come back when you have some real life business experience (aka.. leave school and own your own public limited company) and know a lot more about what you speak of..

Until then you live in the box marked Pen Pidyn, where we can all laugh at your retarded fanboy personal attacks and rantings.

2523.4.2008 19:10

@r0b0t3ch
I guess you missed the zero tolerance on flame wars - oh well.
Buh bye




Forum Rules
Do this before posting
Do not click this link...

2623.4.2008 21:40

Ahh what a shame just when i was about to start, god a hate being late to the FlameWars Extravaganza.

Oh well....i guess it was for the best.

2723.4.2008 22:18

ahahahahaha

that whas real funny, although sad, since i was salivating on having myself some piece of action on that "people insightfull as myself" comment, i just have a theory, i dont know if anyone could back it off, if someone openly claims to be one of this, is automaticaly certified not to be it:

Smart
Insightfull
clever
Funny
Handsome XD

2823.4.2008 22:48

Im handsome...only to people uglier than me.
im smart... only to people that are less so.
im Insightfull...only to people who are clueless.
im clever...only to people that are Dullwitted.
im Funny... only to people that are not so.

In this world there is always someone better than you.
Thats my Theory.

But lets steer back on topic.

2923.4.2008 22:56

Quote:
But lets steer back on topic.


Good idea :)

3023.4.2008 22:58

ok, so back on topic, if you ask me only thing it means to become profitable, is the start of the countdown towards ps4

3124.4.2008 12:59

Originally posted by TBandit:
Yes it is a shame to lose profits to the RROD. Thought the only way the ps3 would make profits would be from selling the games. Wonder if we'll still be in a recession by then.
i think home entertainment sector is "recession-proof." People are going out less and spending less, but they turn to home entertainments. That was one of the major reason why Gamestop was enjoying the big profit margin at the moment.

3224.4.2008 14:43

They're makin' dolla deals in the East, that's fr sure ;)

3325.4.2008 0:48

Its good for Sony to turn a profit on each system sold as soon as possible so that they can drop the price as soon as possible for all of us. And a touch of clarification before I go, robo said that all systems are sold at a loss, that is not true. The Wii has sold at a profit since launch, the DS and PSP and PS2 have been for a while. The 360 is rumored to be turning a decent profit on each system sold and the PS3 is the only one not selling at a profit at the moment. And Zippy, Sony lost 3 billion on the PS3 so far and Microsoft lost 3 billion on the original xbox and another 3 billion on the 360, add in 1 billion set aside for rrod repairs when it finally started to turn a profit and they are slowly chipping away at that 6 billion dollar hole.

3425.4.2008 1:59

Originally posted by wetsparks:
Its good for Sony to turn a profit on each system sold as soon as possible so that they can drop the price as soon as possible for all of us. And a touch of clarification before I go, robo said that all systems are sold at a loss, that is not true. The Wii has sold at a profit since launch, the DS and PSP and PS2 have been for a while. The 360 is rumored to be turning a decent profit on each system sold and the PS3 is the only one not selling at a profit at the moment. And Zippy, Sony lost 3 billion on the PS3 so far and Microsoft lost 3 billion on the original xbox and another 3 billion on the 360, add in 1 billion set aside for rrod repairs when it finally started to turn a profit and they are slowly chipping away at that 6 billion dollar hole.
I think they are already in the positive,if not they are at least getting half the profit off the 360 unit sales, I just wish they would fix the damn thing.

I am putting off the PS3 and 360 until they fix them and lower the price a bit more I loath the casual gaming focus so I can wait aint missing anything that not been done better befor...
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6189842.htm...ws&subj=6189842

3525.4.2008 2:11

yeah I've seen that already. 89 million in profit in a division that should have a lot of profitable things in it, as listed on that page Zune, Games for Windows, and Mac Office (which isn't listed). They are making money, but it will take a while at this rate. They should do better once they get a better handle on the rrod and increase their revenue from each 360 sold.

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3625.4.2008 10:10

Originally posted by wetsparks:
yeah I've seen that already. 89 million in profit in a division that should have a lot of profitable things in it, as listed on that page Zune, Games for Windows, and Mac Office (which isn't listed). They are making money, but it will take a while at this rate. They should do better once they get a better handle on the rrod and increase their revenue from each 360 sold.
They still have issues on many levels vista is half arsed and looking to be replaced in 2 years, the hardware issues on the 360 is just scary IMO bad design going unfixed for so long.


I think its reasonable to say the 360 is selling well, the marketing streadgy they use helped them greatly, I just wish they would open the 360 up a bit (universal HDD kit) and fix the fcking hardware flaws....

the PS3 is a bit more polished IMO, needs more games and more optimizations.

the WII is the WII it could be more gamer focused but tis the WII.......LOL

3725.4.2008 11:02

Theres a munch of games coming for Christmas :)

Motor Storm 2
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
Release of Home Beta :P
Hopefully some word on FFXIII >:(

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head... I can't wait for Resistance 2... It's supposed to have 2 campaigns and 60 player online :)

3825.4.2008 11:06

Originally posted by viny1313:
Theres a munch of games coming for Christmas :)

Motor Storm 2
Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
Release of Home Beta :P
Hopefully some word on FFXIII >:(

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head... I can't wait for Resistance 2... It's supposed to have 2 campaigns and 60 player online :)


Motor Storm 2=don;t care
Resistance 2=simi care but not 300$ care
Killzone 2=don't care
Little Big Planet=don't care
Release of Home Beta=not a nub tween sheeple
Hopefully some word on FFXIII >:(= it would be more fun and relaxing to huff nitrous oxide and listen to the star wars sound track (10 net cookies to the person who gets it)

3925.4.2008 11:07

Oh well, I do, I don't care about your oppinions :P

4025.4.2008 11:22

Originally posted by viny1313:
Oh well, I do, I don't care about your oppinions :P
*farts* care yet? :P

It can get more stinker.....

:P

4125.4.2008 16:19

the ps3 has plenty of games, just not the big franchises yet. agree, wish the wii had more gamer focused games and less party/casual focused games. 360, hardware fixed and more non shooters would be nice.

4225.4.2008 20:55

Originally posted by viny1313:
Oh well, I do, I don't care about your opinions :P
I agree...This is a non gamer trying to start $hit with no first-hand knowledge...He does not own any gaming system from the last 20 years...still playing SEGA GENESIS and added the 32x and calls that next gen....Find your own opinion first hand instead of regurgitating things you read...

This is not a attack...its from reading all his combative comments for the last year +..........

4325.4.2008 21:33

Quote:
Originally posted by viny1313:
Oh well, I do, I don't care about your opinions :P
I agree...This is a non gamer trying to start $hit with no first-hand knowledge...He does not own any gaming system from the last 20 years...still playing SEGA GENESIS and added the 32x and calls that next gen....Find your own opinion first hand instead of regurgitating things you read...

This is not a attack...its from reading all his combative comments for the last year +..........

Oh really? seem to mis the posts where I talk about the ins and outs of the systems, lets try itagain shall we the PS3 lacks games this is true I have had it for a year and the handful of mediocre titles were so so at best not worth the 400$ price tag, so I got rid of it so I could focus on my PC,I have had a 360 as well the hardware issues and locked data and mostly on PC titles is a big turn off,I have a PC thus I do not need MSs bondage machine, the WII is like the PS3 only it has even less games I want to play the over all casual focus and 300$ price tag leave me cold when they hit 199 I'll buy in.

Regardless the PS3 still has issues with devs,games and optimizations which is lessening but still prevalent, to say its not a issue is to be foolishly fanboyish, the 360 also has problems with game variety, add on the hardware and data issues its something to consider when making a purchase.

But then again most sheeple say buy it up don't bother protecting your money from poorly designed games or anticonsmer mentailtes.

I rail agisnt modern gaming becuse we are getting less product for more money,look at Halo 3 for Christ sake, not to mention the crappy crapfest titles like Jericho or choking on its own mediocrity titles like Turok.

This is not exclusive to shooters but I will try to describe the change in the early 00s in gaming at one time they made games mostly for gamers with a focus on making a game lil by lil they shifted to a casual focus making games and playable content smaller and smaller, also with the casual mentalities comes the rush rush make a quick buck mentality.

For instance DOOM had good sized maze like levels with plenty of monsters to kill DOOM3 was devoured by "cinemagic" and you were made to run through a 1 way maze of corridors with monsters you could count on your hands(talking about going full circle oy...) Dues ex 2 is another example from large well built levels and story to a rush job on DX2.

The rush factor is quite scary now adays look at bioshock I can pick apart its flaws but look at the PC port with broken mouse and locked keys or Turok PC with multiplayer riped right from the 360 version,sluggish load times and other "duurrr I'm a port" issues, rushing projects, in order to fully devs games in this multi console world they need at least a extra 15 months to finish it.


You might say its a hobby get over it,bah bah bah bah and other wioolie things I say at 40$+ and no right of return the consumer needs to know the trap set for them, I am wiling to admit I shaved the wool got out the black paint and put on the tinfoil hat, so whats your excuse for being as stupid as me MR sheep?

4425.4.2008 23:25

Haha... feel better zippy...what you say is the cold hard fact for most who actualy put at least 40 to 80 hours in a game.

its not the consoles Falt at all, its the Developers who forgoten there love for games. its not all the devs fault ether, many good Game developer Groups were bought out, by these quick buck company's
RARE, Bungie, SquareSoft, Enix, And many other's were bought out.

And for those that would say squareenix and squaresoft are the same. you would be sadly mistaken. there names are joint but there games have gotten repetetive Prequals after Prequals, and a multitude of mear re-releases. now we get to FF13.

but for the most part zippy your right. every once in a while they make a game worth buying, Mass Effect was nicely done ive got lots of Mass Effect books i used to read. Oblivion was a nice game as well over 200 hours and i still havent got everything.
an not to forget Lost Oddesy, more japenese humor than i like but it was fun.

But who said finding a Gem in room full of artificial gem's was easy right.

4525.4.2008 23:26

I agree with pretty much all of your post, but I still think those games are worth buying a PS3 ;)

GT = :D

4626.4.2008 0:11

Originally posted by DXR88:
Haha... feel better zippy...what you say is the cold hard fact for most who actualy put at least 40 to 80 hours in a game.

its not the consoles Falt at all, its the Developers who forgoten there love for games. its not all the devs fault ether, many good Game developer Groups were bought out, by these quick buck company's
RARE, Bungie, SquareSoft, Enix, And many other's were bought out.

And for those that would say squareenix and squaresoft are the same. you would be sadly mistaken. there names are joint but there games have gotten repetetive Prequals after Prequals, and a multitude of mear re-releases. now we get to FF13.

but for the most part zippy your right. every once in a while they make a game worth buying, Mass Effect was nicely done ive got lots of Mass Effect books i used to read. Oblivion was a nice game as well over 200 hours and i still havent got everything.
an not to forget Lost Oddesy, more japenese humor than i like but it was fun.

But who said finding a Gem in room full of artificial gem's was easy right.

Oh please its the mentality of the industry most just adpeted to casaul gaming and went on with their lives thee blatant sell outs like anything EA buys and most of edios titles, rare just has not been able to make a lot of games of late because they have not been giving the go on projects what games they have made feel like force fed cash ins I do not feel they have sold out as much are stuck in a rut, the same could said for bungie in some respects altho with MS backing them the only reason Halo sucks now is due to the mind set of the industry, but with Square/Enix both were wishy washy from the start they had a few hits and a few misses, Square bought out Enix and was always in control of things so they were not bought out as much as went 100% casual focus damning the FF brand into casual piss tainted watery hell it started with FF8 not FFX if out are reading into my later joke to much.

Its really the whole change of focus from gaming to corporate mindsets, the prevailing "who cares if we make a good product we just want to sell lots of it" being the leading factor in the loss of "gaming in gaming" that and casuals care not for quality and polish so why should we waste profit time in doing it..

Lost Oddessy + mass effect almost made me buy a 360 again but mass effect is coming to the PC and it should not be a cluster fck of a port like Bioshock and turok.

Oblivion is a casual cluster fck its just watered down and made all sour and sticky for the casuals I can not stand it and I fear Fo3 is being bum raped for the mindless masses as well.

In the end the game industry has went casual leaving only a few gems left to mine and at higher and higher prices (face it 40-50$ today is 100$ 10 years ago) there is lil reason in my mind not to question the price V cost of the whole rotten thing.

its like comic book(most IP/CP really) and game movies if you enjoy the fiction being raped for casuals then enjoy wallowing in the poo of the game industry if you can believe it to be dirt then by all means be a happy lil pigy, ignorance will give a peaceful stress free life so they say.

The Price of wisdom is the loss of innocences, the price of knowledge is the loss of freedom.:Quote from COTOP:ambiguous character quote

4726.4.2008 1:44

Yes, Zippy, we know you hate modern games and live in the nostalgia of old time gaming. But it isn't like those old time games where that much longer than games now. Think about it, how long was Zelda: A Link to the Past? 10 hours, tops? So length hasn't changed hardly at all in the last 15 years. But with much, much better graphics they have to make the games "more casual" to sell more copies to make money. They are a business, they HAVE to make money. If you want a charity to make a game, you get crap like Second Life (that was made by some college students as a project wasn't it?). Like I told you before, if you don't want to pay the price for the games, rent them. Set a weekend aside and you can beat 90% of the games in a weekend of good gaming and save yourself a lot of money. BTW, the shot you took at Square Enix, it isn't like their early games where the huge games they are now. FF1&2 were 20 hours if you didn't know what the hell you where doing and wasted as much time as possible. The SNES games weren't that much longer either. So they definitely did not go casual, they went more hardcore by making longer games.

4826.4.2008 3:06

Originally posted by wetsparks:
Yes, Zippy, we know you hate modern games and live in the nostalgia of old time gaming. But it isn't like those old time games where that much longer than games now. Think about it, how long was Zelda: A Link to the Past? 10 hours, tops? So length hasn't changed hardly at all in the last 15 years. But with much, much better graphics they have to make the games "more casual" to sell more copies to make money. They are a business, they HAVE to make money. If you want a charity to make a game, you get crap like Second Life (that was made by some college students as a project wasn't it?). Like I told you before, if you don't want to pay the price for the games, rent them. Set a weekend aside and you can beat 90% of the games in a weekend of good gaming and save yourself a lot of money. BTW, the shot you took at Square Enix, it isn't like their early games where the huge games they are now. FF1&2 were 20 hours if you didn't know what the hell you where doing and wasted as much time as possible. The SNES games weren't that much longer either. So they definitely did not go casual, they went more hardcore by making longer games.
Oh yes new games are prefect and have not been raped my cash in casual mentalities.....

Sorry much like hollywood I don't buy it, good media is good media period the zombies will buy it regardless if its good or not, and they will sale more of it if its good.

And if its not good I will rail agisnt it.


Take another look games compare quake 2 to qauke 4, Halo 1 to HAlo 2 and 3 and other games you will find gaps in content and design, Zelda OOT had alil less content than LTTP but for practical trems they were even my main compalit on OOT I didn't like the plot of it,setting was ok but the I didnt like the story I liked LA alil more, MM was shorter but had more filler the same for WW, content is changing if you look hard enough, if you can;t see it your content in the casual market,I am not they can do better but they will not because there is no profit for them too.

4926.4.2008 9:40

Ohh I'll play Halo CE over Halo 3 any day...

5026.4.2008 10:11

Originally posted by viny1313:
Ohh I'll play Halo CE over Halo 3 any day...
I like Halo 1 PC myslef..the other Halos tho...kinda fail....

5126.4.2008 12:26

Halo 2 wasn't bad with the mods... Some of the online maps were nice but Halo 3 was just crap. All for the money. What a horrible way to end a series...

5226.4.2008 12:46

Originally posted by viny1313:
Halo 2 wasn't bad with the mods... Some of the online maps were nice but Halo 3 was just crap. All for the money. What a horrible way to end a series...
I have Halo 2 PC running on XP,and I did finish the Xbox version but tis just not as great as Halo was.

5327.4.2008 0:10

I thought Halo was crap personally, a failed attempt to make Starcraft into a shooter. And I never said new games were perfect, you just think that old games were so great but they were the same as these games are now, except in 2d instead of 3d.

5427.4.2008 16:19

(wetsparks) i'll have to disagree with you on that. there were more good games realeased then than there are now.. its a given that there will always be bad games but think for a second.. alright out of my head there were good games realesed every 3 months then Now we Wait 3-4 years for another Good game to be released. with all intent i dont mind the wait, but the wait is to long and its only going to get longer with each new system as the programming gets more and more complicated. the people that churn out this hardware are afraid that somebody might hack there hardware. Sow even new SDK that go to Developers are being locked to what you can and cannot Due.
this kills 3rd party support and give the 3rd parties 2 options ether go out of bussiness or join EA or other Crappy Company that only cares about the buck.

5527.4.2008 22:51

There are plenty of good games coming out and you don't have to wait 3-4 years, unless you are talking about one company and in that case they are being lazy. Insomniac is able to put out a PS3 game every year, and the PS3 is supposed to be the hardest to program for. Remember also that video games used to be so bad before Nintendo that video games virtually died. And even Nintendo allows crap like movie tie ins and barbie and my little pony on their system.

5630.4.2008 19:35

This is probably off topic, but I need to find this out before I let my wife go out and spend big bucks, my son has a ton of playstaion 2 games, my wife wants to get a a playstation 3, is it true that you can not play ps2 games on a ps3, I've heard some people say yes and some say no, I put my trust in what members at AD say.

5730.4.2008 19:44

Originally posted by FredBun:
This is probably off topic, but I need to find this out before I let my wife go out and spend big bucks, my son has a ton of playstaion 2 games, my wife wants to get a a playstation 3, is it true that you can not play ps2 games on a ps3, I've heard some people say yes and some say no, I put my trust in what members at AD say.
you should PM an addict,for they will know...if not they will know pooo....


The US 60GB and 20GB units have 80%+ BWC for PS2 titles, the 40 and 80GB units have a 40-70% compatibility ratio, if you got the money go for a 60GB IMO it will best serve you, if not a 80GB unit is fine just have a PS2 handy because it can not play some games.

5830.4.2008 20:09

Thanks for thre comeback zip, this whole thing still freaks me out, I myself am not into any games, I have a handicapped son who loves to play them and does great with them, we don't mind spending the extra bucks to give him a litle extra happines, but holy crapola, these people are really ripping us off, we go out and buy a ton of ps2 game, you would thing these moguls would give us a little break and let us also play our 2 on the 3 consoles, man what a rip.

Now I hear that if we get a 60 or an 80 that might do it, I also heard a guy at a blockbuster store say something simular, he said sony was selling an 80, but not anymore for now anyway, he said the 80 could play the 2, but he also said he was pretty sure it did, so you see you really can't get a difinate answer, regardles, this whole thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, we are really getting it up the old gege whole.

5930.4.2008 20:54

Fred, i know it might be hard, but you should continue To use the PS2 for PS1, PS2. The Playstation 3 is a power house if you will and Backwards comatiability is an issue For most. if you can find one the 20 gig units are nearly completly Backwards compatiable i think around 98%. stay away from the 80 gigs they have software that runs PS2 games about 60-70% BC. 40 gig dont touch as they have no BC.

right know. i would recommend ether a 20 or a 60 gig unit they have the highist BC.

as i said before keeping your PS2 is the bestway to play the PS2 games.

601.5.2008 0:41

did a quick google search and I found this

611.5.2008 1:08

Thanks to all, I have just learned more about what choice I should make in this one little thread than I have tried to learn about this issue for the past two months, leave it the people of AD to set the records straight, again, thank you everybody.

621.5.2008 4:34

Originally posted by wetsparks:
did a quick google search and I found this



the 40GB unit can play PSX games, the 80GB unit has trouble with 30-40% of PS2 titles.

631.5.2008 9:29

The 60gb is the best IMO, you can always upgrade the hdd size afterward of course... I believe all models allow you to play PS1 games via the PSP (remote play), but certain games don't work well due to lagging issues.

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