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We don't throttle P2P users, says AT&T

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 27 Apr 2008 18:33 User comments (12)

We don't throttle P2P users, says AT&T AT&T has denied any rumor that it resets packets to interfere with network connections of P2P users, in effect denying any "throttling" of network traffic, like Comcast was accused of doing a few months ago.
AT&Ts statement comes as a response to a report released this week by Vuze, the HD BitTorrent-based client. The client has asked the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to make new regulations prohibiting ISPs from throttling P2P traffic. The report also posted "the median reset rates experienced by more than 1,200 "autonomous system numbers," which are unique identifiers for individual IP networks and routers, as monitored using a plug-in Vuze began offering last month." Using the plug-in, Comcast users had the most frequent interruptions with BellSouth (part of AT&T) coming in second.

AT&T has denied those finding however calling the measurements "misleading." Here is a good portion of the response letter.

"In response to your specific question about AT&T's network management practices, AT&T does not use "false reset messages" to manage its network. We agree with Vuze that the use of the Vuze Plug-In to measure network traffic has numerous limitations and deficiencies, and does not demonstrate whether any particular network providers or their customers are using TCP Reset messages for network management purposes. Given that Vuze itself has recognized these problems with the measurements generated by its Plug-In, we believe that Vuze should not have published these misleading measurements, nor filed them with the FCC. Moreover, as Vuze and others have acknowledged, TCP resets are generated for many reasons wholly unrelated to the network management practices of broadband network providers, which explains why resets may appear on networks of companies such as AT&T who do not use TCP resets for network management.


Vuze CEO Gilles BianRosa made a response to AT&T though, after reading their response.

"Our data suggests that the reset rates for Bell South, which is owned by AT&T, were higher than for many other ISPs. Our data collection was credible and transparent, but not conclusive. Therefore, we decided that it was best to simply ask AT&T and others if they use reset messages as a network management technique. AT&T has now answered that they do not. We appreciate their response and hope all network operators will be as forthcoming. It is easy to debate methodology, but, given the shortage of facts and the gravity of the issues to our user base, it is difficult to criticize the asking of a fair question--what network management practices are you using?"


Comcast was of course caught throttling network traffic for P2P users and the backlash has been massive.

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12 user comments

127.4.2008 22:15

I have ATT has my ISP. I love it for P2P, I pay for 2.5mb down and 300kb up, and I get that during a normal speed test without running Torrents, when I do run a Speed Test with Torrents I get 3.75mb down and 550kb up. :) No complaints.

227.4.2008 22:25

same here. i dont have any throttling issues either and i have the 3.5mb down and 40kb up

327.4.2008 23:39

Bellsouth user here- 3mbps down, 256kbps up. A speed test/ping usually shows between 2850/3125 down and 248/253 up. Never had any problems. Maybe it's because I use forced protocol encryption? I'm not sure...

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428.4.2008 1:10

they might do it on the lite plans.

528.4.2008 4:46
nobrainer
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but they do illegally data mine ALL traffic and pass it on to the Department of Homeland Security, Cia, FBI, NSA.

Secret Surveillance Evidence Unsealed in AT&T Spying Case

Originally posted by eff hyperlink:
Whistleblower Declaration and Other Key Documents Released to Public

San Francisco - More documents detailing secret government surveillance of AT&T's Internet traffic have been released to the public as part of the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against the telecom giant.

Some of the unsealed information was previously made public in redacted form. But after negotiations with AT&T, EFF has filed newly unredacted documents describing a secret, secure room in AT&T's facilities that gave the National Security Agency (NSA) direct access to customers' emails and other Internet communications. These include several internal AT&T documents that have long been available on media websites, EFF's legal arguments to the 9th Circuit, and the full declarations of whistleblower Mark Klein and of J. Scott Marcus, the former Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission, who bolsters and explains EFF's evidence.

"This is critical evidence supporting our claim that AT&T is cooperating with the NSA in the illegal dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans," said EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. "This surveillance is under debate in Congress and across the nation, as well as in the courts. The public has a right to see these important documents, the declarations from our witnesses, and our legal arguments, and we are very pleased to release them."

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628.4.2008 5:19

ahh yes. lol that might be bad. thats why i chose comcast.. but now they all suck besiders verizon.. but its not avalible around here. not fios at least..

728.4.2008 5:22

nobrainer
I think they just give it to DHS...they would be coherent and a functioning part of government if they all had access to it....

:P

altho if they all had access to it(I think the FBI is suing to have access to it right now) it would be scray to see bad government work better than good.
0-o

828.4.2008 12:42

I use AT+T DSL here in Ohio and I like it pretty much. But...lately I have noticed many resets coming (coincidentally?) during largish video downloads. There are point-to-point, not per-to-peer. I don't think there are accidental and I suspect these may be to limit the amount of data I download, which is large (why else buy broadband?) Of course a reset wacks the download and I must resume manually. Yes I think it's on purpose and it makes me hesitant to recommend AT+T to anyone. If they also cooperate in spying on citizens, I hope they get sued until they bleed from the pants. I'll contribute to the EFF from my bank account to help them.

921.5.2008 3:24
NOLA_Rob
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I have ATT (bellsouth) and I usually dl around 800gb to 1 TB a month, and these bastards reset me ALL the time, when i am using usenet (I use giganews). I call them and they always try and pawn it off to something else. I have the 6MB dl I pay for they call it 6 meg extreme dsl or whatever. I do get great speed, but it sucks that they do this to customers.

1021.5.2008 3:52

Originally posted by nobrainer:
but they do illegally data mine ALL traffic and pass it on to the Department of Homeland Security, Cia, FBI, NSA.

Secret Surveillance Evidence Unsealed in AT&T Spying Case
Originally posted by eff hyperlink:
Whistleblower Declaration and Other Key Documents Released to Public

San Francisco - More documents detailing secret government surveillance of AT&T's Internet traffic have been released to the public as part of the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against the telecom giant.

Some of the unsealed information was previously made public in redacted form. But after negotiations with AT&T, EFF has filed newly unredacted documents describing a secret, secure room in AT&T's facilities that gave the National Security Agency (NSA) direct access to customers' emails and other Internet communications. These include several internal AT&T documents that have long been available on media websites, EFF's legal arguments to the 9th Circuit, and the full declarations of whistleblower Mark Klein and of J. Scott Marcus, the former Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission, who bolsters and explains EFF's evidence.

"This is critical evidence supporting our claim that AT&T is cooperating with the NSA in the illegal dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans," said EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. "This surveillance is under debate in Congress and across the nation, as well as in the courts. The public has a right to see these important documents, the declarations from our witnesses, and our legal arguments, and we are very pleased to release them."


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1121.5.2008 20:17

Originally posted by iluvendo:

1984
Nah just bordering on Communism!!!! I'll leave it at that so as not to start an all political debate covered in mayhem.... :D

....gm

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1222.5.2008 15:58

But GM bro, we already have the Communist Network News !

What's next ?


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