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65nm Xbox 360s coming in August?

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 08 May 2008 18:46 User comments (56)

65nm Xbox 360s coming in August? According to Taiwanese industry news source CENS, improved 65nm Xbox 360s should be arriving later this year, even as soon as August.
The report adds that Microsoft has "already begun contracting out the production of 65nm chips," which in turn should form part of the consoles long anticipated "Jasper" revision.

There was also word that there was a depletion of the current chipset, dubbed "Falcon" and that Jasper could be pushed up if the other chips are depleted. The Falcon's main processor uses 65nm technology just like the Jasper chip but all the other components including the GPU use 90nm manufacturing.

The Jasper revision has been long anticipated as Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles. The new revision should be cooler, quieter and less power-consuming.

Let us hope this new report proves to be true, as it must be getting expensive for Microsoft to replace all RROD Xbox 360s at its own cost.


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18.5.2008 19:16

Great more 360 rumors. I don't believe it.

28.5.2008 19:20
varnull
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Yeah.. these were coming in July 2007.. then August.. then December.....

Quote:
65nm Xbox 360 seen in the wild

Gaming round-up Wii will not be moved

By Dean Pullen: Monday, 08 October 2007, 9:41 AM

Xbox 360
Xbox-scene.com forum posters believe they have spotted a 65nm CPU Xbox 360 in the wild - but without the use of the upcoming Falcon motherboard.

"The motherboard looks (almost) identical to the Zephyr, so I doubt it's the Falcon already. If the CPU is 65nm or not is hard to say ... it seems to be a bit different to those in the Pro-hdmi or Elite anyway. The smaller package, the lower power usage and missing 'power converters' on the right side of the board seems to indicate we indeed have a 65nm CPU here." read the posting.

No official word on whether Microsoft is indeed manufacturing 65nm components yet, but it's a strong possibility.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...s3-sku-released

Lets face it.. They can't make them work.
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38.5.2008 19:30

Pardon the stupidity, but what is so great about a 65nm xbox ?

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"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


48.5.2008 19:35
varnull
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Supposedly they have lower power consumption which equals less heat output. Also due to the smaller die size there is a very small but significant decrease in overall transit time, meaning the cpu seems to work faster for a given clock speed.
Less heat + small speed boost = better.. still need to sort out the dodgy build quality.

(that time at llamma did come in useful after all)

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58.5.2008 19:56

I already knew about the technological advances, but will they deliver on the goods? Also using a smaller distance between components on the cpu will result in greater computational power for a 65nm vs larger distance cpu. What keeps xbox (M$) simply to use 65nm technology and not deliver more crunching power to save money. Sure you get a cooler running cpu with (most likely ) more longevity, but that may be it.


"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


68.5.2008 20:01
varnull
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Do you really want the lowdown on the tech??

pdf link http://www.fujitsu.com/downloads/EDG/bin...mos-process.pdf

78.5.2008 20:04

3 years later? Did they even bother to test the console before they even released it? I find this to be extreme BS... This should have been implemented in the 1st gen consoles. They would have made SO much more money...

88.5.2008 20:08

Originally posted by varnull:
Do you really want the lowdown on the tech??

pdf link http://www.fujitsu.com/downloads/EDG/bin...ess.pdf



Varnull (the love of my life) Many thanks for the link. Intersting read.

"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


98.5.2008 20:10

A day late a dollar short........

108.5.2008 20:12

I don't think they're really a dollar short... They're just cheap ;)

118.5.2008 20:14
varnull
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... and a console that could have been so great spoiled by bad manufacturing and poor customer service..

Just shows when you have billions to waste what a monumental cockup you can make.

128.5.2008 22:33

Originally posted by viny1313:
I don't think they're really a dollar short... They're just cheap ;)

Yeah...just cheap. Profit increased to $4.29 billion, or 45 cents a share, from $3.48 billion says Bloomberg.


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/25/bloomberg/bxmsft.php
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138.5.2008 22:59

funny i thought these were already out.

jeeze

148.5.2008 23:53

I remember reading about this just before the falcon chip 360's were released. The falcon chips were released fall 07 now the jasper chips will be released fall 08. If that wasn't enough there have already been rumors of 45nm chip sets to be released sometime in 09. They are literally fixing one single chip once a year instead of just knocking it out all at once. By the time the 360's failure rate is comparable to the ps3/wii it's going to be 2012 and time for a new round of consoles.

Warning conspiracy theory:
This whole "we are improving the 360" crap is looking more and more like a giant marketing ploy. They change one minor thing once a year and don't advertise it so it looks like some kind of big secret. People get their hopes up and think wow this one won't break the RROD is gone! Sales spike and some buy their second or third 360 then the truth comes out that brand new consoles are failing. In the end people still have to worry about RROD and the only consolation they get is that the RROD statistical ratio has somewhat decreased.

159.5.2008 1:20

Originally posted by varnull:
... a console that could have been so great spoiled by bad manufacturing and poor customer service..
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169.5.2008 1:22

Stuffed up the quote above so answered here


I could'nt agree more as i was think'n about ms today (i was bored :p) ,& how it is that the xbox 1 to my knowledge was a mighty fine first attempt at a console (not too many hardware issue etc) ,what really made it for me was the game graphics in Halo 1 & 2,both the console & game complemented one another to a level that suprised me compared to any other game on any platform inc the ol' pox 1 (other than pc),later down the track we end up with the 360 & i think to myself now that i've been on the net since 03 with my comp & assuming the xbox 1 did'nt have any major issues as i was'nt around the net to know,how the bloody hell did ms end up with a 2nd console that was poorly designed & tested,my guess they're just too big a company with too many chiefs & not listening too what the ground floor are telling them,it's ironic that they wanted to beat the PS3 to market when it really would'nt matter since word of mouth is your best advertisement,i have no doubt the 360 can kick the PS3's ass & so it dam well should ms have been around hardware for years so now how to squeeze a lot from a little & effeciency is the key,i was look'n forward to getting a 360 sometime in the next 2 years but now forget it unless by some miracle they pull a rabbit out of the hat & fix their @$%^%*&* i'll end up getting a PS3 instead me thinks ,(i will anyway but would prefer a reliable 360 first) up ..end rant..lol..

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179.5.2008 4:14

damn sounds like more bs to me they just holding off till next gen because the only way they gonna fix the problem is to start from scratch

189.5.2008 5:12

Woah, a new chip after 3 bloody years... well there is the falcon chipset. But the 360 still has the RROD problem. Now when this chip comes out there is going to be a rumored 45nm chip. I really wonder if it will really help the 360 and the RROD problem.

199.5.2008 5:52

Surely the RROD is nothing more than a component failure warning system so it could be a hdd or incorrectly seated power cable etc,since i don't own a 360 i have to go by my xbox 1 & it has a warning system of the flashing ring when somethings not right

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209.5.2008 6:03
varnull
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True.. But it is usually that faulty overheat sensor buried in the cpu.

I don't know why they didn't socket the cpu... oh wait.. that would cost them $.50 per unit....

The coppermine on the X1 was reliable.. I think these are just faulty design from the start and instead of starting over they are trying the sure fire way to a disaster.. "we can fix it"..

Didn't lockheed say something similar about the Starfighter?

219.5.2008 8:00

Quote:
Yeah.. these were coming in July 2007.. then August.. then December.....

Quote:
65nm Xbox 360 seen in the wild

Gaming round-up Wii will not be moved

By Dean Pullen: Monday, 08 October 2007, 9:41 AM

Xbox 360
Xbox-scene.com forum posters believe they have spotted a 65nm CPU Xbox 360 in the wild - but without the use of the upcoming Falcon motherboard.

"The motherboard looks (almost) identical to the Zephyr, so I doubt it's the Falcon already. If the CPU is 65nm or not is hard to say ... it seems to be a bit different to those in the Pro-hdmi or Elite anyway. The smaller package, the lower power usage and missing 'power converters' on the right side of the board seems to indicate we indeed have a 65nm CPU here." read the posting.

No official word on whether Microsoft is indeed manufacturing 65nm components yet, but it's a strong possibility.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...s3-sku-released

Lets face it.. They can't make them work.

Did you bother reading the article? It's the 65nm GPU which is to be released fall '08. The 65nm CPU WAS released fall '07.

229.5.2008 11:03

Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Stuffed up the quote above so answered here


I could'nt agree more as i was think'n about ms today (i was bored :p) ,& how it is that the xbox 1 to my knowledge was a mighty fine first attempt at a console (not too many hardware issue etc) ,what really made it for me was the game graphics in Halo 1 & 2,both the console & game complemented one another to a level that suprised me compared to any other game on any platform inc the ol' pox 1 (other than pc),later down the track we end up with the 360 & i think to myself now that i've been on the net since 03 with my comp & assuming the xbox 1 did'nt have any major issues as i was'nt around the net to know,how the bloody hell did ms end up with a 2nd console that was poorly designed & tested,my guess they're just too big a company with too many chiefs & not listening too what the ground floor are telling them,it's ironic that they wanted to beat the PS3 to market when it really would'nt matter since word of mouth is your best advertisement,i have no doubt the 360 can kick the PS3's ass & so it dam well should ms have been around hardware for years so now how to squeeze a lot from a little & effeciency is the key,i was look'n forward to getting a 360 sometime in the next 2 years but now forget it unless by some miracle they pull a rabbit out of the hat & fix their @$%^%*&* i'll end up getting a PS3 instead me thinks ,(i will anyway but would prefer a reliable 360 first) up ..end rant..lol..
Youre right about M$ wanting to beat PS3 into the market. 360 is going to go through many many changes, it it wont make much cheaper to the consumer. only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

239.5.2008 12:25

Dodgy quality is correct. I just got mine a few days ago. When I took it out of the box, I noticed something rattling inside it, WTF!

249.5.2008 12:44

Originally posted by BludRayne:
Dodgy quality is correct. I just got mine a few days ago. When I took it out of the box, I noticed something rattling inside it, WTF!
Ya, that's the sensor which detects whether the 360 is positioned horizontal or verticle. So of course you'll hear it rattle.

259.5.2008 12:50

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.

269.5.2008 14:56

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.
.. while I do agree that companies should upgrade and improve on technologies as a means to support the conumer, I don't see the paralell between the PS2 and the 360. The PS2's failure rate was nowhere near the 360 debachle. 360 owners deserve to get this newer model for free if theirs breaks. This refurb thing is getting old as reports of refurbs being used as "replacements" run rampant across the net.

279.5.2008 17:02

Originally posted by bhetrick:
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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.
If there are upgrades to each year to the final date does'nt that make all previous versions beta's ? & all purchasers of said early version beta testers,so yes i'd agree we're all dipsticks for not waiting for final release of ps2..lol..

289.5.2008 19:01

Smaller processes allowing smaller gates doesn't necessarily equal less heat. In fact, in a relative scale, usually the opposite. Smaller processes are going to give you more static and more free electrons. This is going to cause more errors and more cpu cycles r\to recalculate. Especially considering M$ quality control and general cheapness.

Specifically though, if you have 75% of the heat in 66% of the space, you've actually managed to increase the heat density by 25%, requiring that much more efficiency to remove the heat from the die. This on top of a smaller surface area to contact the spreader and heat sink, again reducing cooling efficiency.

Frankly, there's nothing to be gained from a consumer perspective when shrinking the manufacturing process like this. All it does is allow the manufacturer to fit more dies in a given wafer, reducing the relative cost per die. This too is also partially offset by the increased number of faults per wafer.

In the end, all it's going to mean to us consumers (I use us in a loose sense in america's future) is more processors sent out in less than perfect condition, while the manufacture and M$ pocket the increased margins. Also a chip more susceptible to heat damage and with a shorter expected lifetime.

In the end, newer and smaller are NOT always better.

299.5.2008 19:34

"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

309.5.2008 22:11

Why can't they just make a better fan system or someting?

Or maybe redesign it? It IS the design that causes these problems, right?

Should'a made it like the PS3... Vent holes everywhere, hardware on top and a massive windmill as the base :P

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3110.5.2008 0:23

Originally posted by EricCarr:
"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

The failure rate of new consoles is now closer to 15%, the fact that basically all broken consoles are sent back to customers will no real fix applied is why the forums are still filled with complaints.

I saw a video the other day of how to fix the RROD, basically all the did was remove the heatsink re apply thermal compound then added the heatsink back on in a slightly way. Check it out http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/263/1/

3210.5.2008 2:28

Quote:
only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

By that theory we should wait till a pc company release the final build of a model when the technology is obsolete.

Originally posted by EricCarr:
"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

Or maybe its because usually you only hear the negative, and dont hear of all the positive results out there.

3310.5.2008 17:35

New chips arent going to solve the rrod problem, it's the cooling/vent system that needs to be redone. Heat RISES and the only real vents on the console are located on the bottom of the back of the console. The side vents are far too small with too little fan pressure to flow anything.

3411.5.2008 10:02

Originally posted by varnull:
... and a console that could have been so great spoiled by bad manufacturing and poor customer service..

Just shows when you have billions to waste what a monumental cockup you can make.
meh the customer service is good,tey could have so eailsy went with the "there is nothing wrong,nothing to see here move along move along"

the rest of is true didn't take the time to build it didn't fix it refuse to fix it,ect,ect,etc

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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3511.5.2008 10:10

Originally posted by Xplorer4:
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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

By that theory we should wait till a pc company release the final build of a model when the technology is obsolete.

Originally posted by EricCarr:
"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

Or maybe its because usually you only hear the negative, and dont hear of all the positive results out there.
MS has said more than once its up to 30%,between consumer reports and what not ya its 30%

face it man the 360 has major build issues that effect 2-3 in 10 units.

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3611.5.2008 10:15
varnull
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I think you will find depending on where you live that the cpu's will be 2 different kinds. I only scan these "announcement" articles anyway.. they aren't usually worth the effort of proper consideration... especially from M$ .. don't hold your breath.. it's an internal component revision that will make no practical difference to the machine. Will you even know you have one fitted???

I'm more interested in why some have an eeprom near what look like LPT points than what gpu/cpu it has. As there is no way to run unsigned code on the damn box it's completely pointless even discussing the chipset it has.. it makes no difference as any replacement will have to be functionally identical otherwise older games will suffer or lock up, and new games will not run on old consoles..

In Europe the 65nm cpu was not mainstream release because of failing the stricter European radiation tests through inadequate screening..

Some are around.. the ultimate has one (and also a different screening arrangement.. the heatsink is grounded)

Whatever.. it isn't going to have any noticeable effect on anything the consumer will see or feel.. It's a badly designed console.. the more recent production seems to be within acceptable failure rates for modern technology <3%..
Modern consumer electronics seems to have a designed in life of about 3 years.. Then it dies.

3711.5.2008 10:24

varnull ne sama*cling cling*

I just hope its more stable I been wanting to get one but good lord I do not feel comfy spending 200+ on a easy bake oven that I have had go wonky on me before...

hell they should port all 360 games to the PC and enforce no live subscription no play shcemes..I would much rather do that than buy an easy break oven....

*bangs head to wall*
lost oddessy will not temp meeeeeee!!!


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3812.5.2008 0:50

haha @ Zippy
dude my thoughts exactly..

and lol @ eazy break oven..

3912.5.2008 8:01

You know I made up the easy-bake oven thing ;)

4012.5.2008 17:35

Quote:
Quote:
only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

By that theory we should wait till a pc company release the final build of a model when the technology is obsolete.

Originally posted by EricCarr:
"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

Or maybe its because usually you only hear the negative, and dont hear of all the positive results out there.
PC's are quite different from consoles. one: they dont break nearly as often as 360's, two: you can buy parts for PC's when something goes wrong, and consols u must buy a whole new system. unless you got money to throw around, you dont buy a PC upgrade the moment it comes out, especially if your PC is already top notch.
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4112.5.2008 17:38

Quote:
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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.
Im sorry youre one of the knuckleheads who keeps buying new ones. I bought one ps2, the launch system. it still works perfectly. same with ps3. still works perfectly. I have found no reason to purchase the ps2 slim or the 40gb ps3 model, nor is there a reason to buy 360 after 360.
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4212.5.2008 18:27

Quote:
Quote:
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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.

Im sorry youre one of the knuckleheads who keeps buying new ones. I bought one ps2, the launch system. it still works perfectly. same with ps3. still works perfectly. I have found no reason to purchase the ps2 slim or the 40gb ps3 model, nor is there a reason to buy 360 after 360.
Not really the PS2 has a 5-10% fail rate with lens, even 2 of the slim line revisions had issues with it, its not huge but it was a problem that pushed it over the normal 3-5%.

The 360 is just wonky.
I'd rather pay 10 a moth to play on my computer than buy another 360 without any huge fixes/improvements to t.

4313.5.2008 15:33

You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

4413.5.2008 15:55

Originally posted by Hardwyre:
You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

..........um.....er.....no............

4514.5.2008 9:06

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Hardwyre:
You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

..........um.....er.....no............
I second that! "..........um.....er.....no............"

4614.5.2008 9:41

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Hardwyre:
You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

..........um.....er.....no............
I second that! "..........um.....er.....no............"
I couldn't find the sarcasm in the post, while sensors only really tell you what they "think" they know I have not seen many sensors designs that lock the thing they are monitoring, the 360 is just BADLY design from stem to stern, one could say tis like a quadruple amputee hooker its functional where it counts...kinda....but your kinda not getting what you pay for....

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4714.5.2008 11:40

I never got the RROD. Mine scratches disk. I fixed mine by putting it back in its box two years ago and not playing it anymore. PS3 works fine. Has the disk spindle support been fixed yet?

4814.5.2008 11:41

Originally posted by kojiro00:
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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.
Im sorry youre one of the knuckleheads who keeps buying new ones. I bought one ps2, the launch system. it still works perfectly. same with ps3. still works perfectly. I have found no reason to purchase the ps2 slim or the 40gb ps3 model, nor is there a reason to buy 360 after 360.

Ummm... ya... where did I say I keep buying new ones. You should try rereading that. Let me try to break it down in to small words which you may understand better.

You said "only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360."

Now, using the PS2 only as an example, because there have been over a dozen revisions over it's life span, using your logic anyone who has bought any of the older versions would be a complete knucklehead. Which I guess also includes you as you state you have an older, fat version.

So because you bought a PS2 before it's last build, that makes you a knucklehead... using your own logic... not mine.

See where I'm going with this? Obviously you don't consider yourself a knucklehead because of which version of a console you own, so how can you apply your comment to another console?



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You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)
I have to agree with the others here. There is no easy fix for the rrod. In fact, there is no "fix" the end user can do. There's only a "bandaid", and it's temporary. The rrod will return.

The only fix is to send it in to MS for repair. I have read, but can't find the article, that MS was to have a mobo designed just for repairs. It had it's own name. If they do that, good. If they don't, you just have to hope the repaired mobo doesn't crap out again.

Now, I haven't read anything about the newly designed 360s having any massive failures do to overheating. So it looks like they finally quit dragging their asses and have started addressing that issue.



Originally posted by glassd:
I never got the RROD. Mine scratches disk. I fixed mine by putting it back in its box two years ago and not playing it anymore. PS3 works fine. Has the disk spindle support been fixed yet?
Yes it has, but because you didn't bother addressing the issue two years ago, you'll now have to pay MS to fix it as your warranty has expired.

Or fix it yourself. Google is helpful. Either way, it'll cost you.
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5014.5.2008 15:34

The 360 is not a PC and thus not cheap to fix and why would I want to put money into a lemon to start with?

the PS2 has 17 and counting revisions with only 3 major changes, the mini USB ports in front on the big model were removed 5th-7th revision and the slim model, the 360 has had like 8-10 I am guessing and that includes the elite.

Revisions are not the issue here the blatant arrogance not fixing the Gdamn thing is, it dose not take this long to fix a problem even sony managed to ham handle the DRE's better............


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5114.5.2008 16:18

Goood god can't anyone read. THE PS2 WAS ONLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR KOJIRO00'S COMMENT.

It was used because it, too, is a gaming console and it has been through many revisions.

FFS... if people can't understand what is being written and are going to continue to get upset that a Sony product was mentioned in a MS thread, then replace "PS2" with "plasma hdtv" in all the past comments.

Newer and better models of plasma are always being released, does that mean, as kojiro00 says, "only complete knuckle heads would buy any new xxx builds they make until xx announces that theyve made a final build of the xxx".

5214.5.2008 16:29

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Goood god can't anyone read. THE PS2 WAS ONLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR KOJIRO00'S COMMENT.

It was used because it, too, is a gaming console and it has been through many revisions.

FFS... if people can't understand what is being written and are going to continue to get upset that a Sony product was mentioned in a MS thread, then replace "PS2" with "plasma hdtv" in all the past comments.

Newer and better models of plasma are always being released, does that mean, as kojiro00 says, "only complete knuckle heads would buy any new xxx builds they make until xx announces that theyve made a final build of the xxx".

When a zippy is not using his reading comperhention or not paying attention to the thread and posts odd stuff, whack it in the nose with a news papper and tell it to stop reading wif its teeth.

:P



My point is the 360 has gone through almost 10 revisions and its not fixed there is no excuse for that, the PS2 only had issues with a DREs though out a few revisions not concurrent in all freaking revisions.....


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5314.5.2008 17:17

Ahhhh... it's all good. ;)

I just want it known that I'm not trying to "call out" the PS2. It just made a good example because of it's long life and everyone knows it. I should have used something else for an example from the get-go.

The 360 has had a few differents skus, but not many revisions. They drug their arse for over a year before they made any attempt to address the overheating issue.

5414.5.2008 17:41

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Ahhhh... it's all good. ;)

I just want it known that I'm not trying to "call out" the PS2. It just made a good example because of it's long life and everyone knows it. I should have used something else for an example from the get-go.

The 360 has had a few differents skus, but not many revisions. They drug their arse for over a year before they made any attempt to address the overheating issue.

http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Xbox_360_Revisions#Xenon
Interesting theres about 5 so far, one could also count the changed heatsink as another revision it came in the late xenon I believe but still only 5 or 6 but the RODD is still rampant.

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5514.5.2008 22:20

Xenon, Zephyr, and Falcon. That's 3.

I knew I had read awhile back about a mobo being designed for repair consoles only, but I couldn't find the article. It is the Opus. They said there wasn't a set release date for it yet, though. I wonder if it's being used yet. If so, then I'm sure the news would have spread quickly.

As far as the rrod still being rampant, that's because they're still dealing with a lot of the launch versions. And it doesn't help with them repairing and reusing the old mobos.

I haven't read anything about the new versions suffering like the launch consoles. And I follow a handful of sites daily.

Thanks for that link, by the way.

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5614.5.2008 22:27

Originally posted by bhetrick:
Xenon, Zephyr, and Falcon. That's 3.

I knew I had read awhile back about a mobo being designed for repair consoles only, but I couldn't find the article. It is the Opus. They said there wasn't a set release date for it yet, though. I wonder if it's being used yet. If so, then I'm sure the news would have spread quickly.

As far as the rrod still being rampant, that's because they're still dealing with a lot of the launch versions. And it doesn't help with them repairing and reusing the old mobos.

I haven't read anything about the new versions suffering like the launch consoles. And I follow a handful of sites daily.

Thanks for that link, by the way.
I am looking at a price V cost thing, I tell everyone this if you can handle a 3 in 1 fall rate with above average warranty go for it if not wait till its under 180.



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